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daller
January 4th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Hi There,

I'm about to create an online cable-shop (more than 500 different cables, for all purposes...) here in Denmark.

What I need is an open source webshop (and beer-free), so that the startup costs are low. (To minimize the cost of a failure :D)

Afterwards, I intend to donate 10% of my earnings to the ubuntu project!

rolando2424
January 4th, 2007, 09:32 PM
I don't understand what you mean.

Do you want a open sourced program to create webpages (the way Frontpage or Dreamwaver do)?

If i that what you want, you can try Nvu :D (I believe it's in the repository)

pmasiar
January 4th, 2007, 10:05 PM
try sourceforge search (http://sourceforge.net/search/?words=shop&type_of_search=soft&inex=1&sortselect=has_file%3Atrue&registration_date__0=&trove__225=456&trove__274=369&trove__160=584&trove__199=426&trove__13=14&trove__1=534&trove__6=11&trove__496=499&newfilter=Apply)

Mirrorball
January 4th, 2007, 10:13 PM
Something like this?
http://www.oscommerce.com/

daller
January 5th, 2007, 01:30 AM
Something like this?
http://www.oscommerce.com/

Yes it seems promissing! - It's GPL-free and Beer-free as far as I can tell...

Thank you!

gummibaerchen
January 5th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Afterwards, I intend to donate 10% of my earnings to the ubuntu project!

Why?

I can't understand why so many people want to contribute directly to Ubuntu. I think they have enought money for a start, or are they nearly bankrupt?

If I would have money, which I don't see any need to save it for myself, then I would give it to all the small projects. Maybe applications you use everyday.

But maybe I'm wrong here, and Ubuntu needs already money?

And what will happen after the 10 million for the start are gone? Will Mr Shuttleworth give another 10?

viciouslime
January 5th, 2007, 01:59 PM
There is also zen cart: http://www.zencart.com/
And cube cart: http://www.cubecart.com/site/home/

I don't think cube cart is free in every sense of the word though...

pmasiar
January 5th, 2007, 02:55 PM
I can't understand why so many people want to contribute directly to Ubuntu. I think they have enought money for a start, or are they nearly bankrupt?

If I would have money, which I don't see any need to save it for myself, then I would give it to all the small projects. Maybe applications you use everyday.

And what will happen after the 10 million for the start are gone? Will Mr Shuttleworth give another 10?


This is his money and he can flush them down the toilet or use them to start the fire is he so desires.
Contributing to Ubuntu might mean placing a bounty (https://launchpad.net/bounties/) for a feature, is hard to tell.
Quoting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Foundation: Currently the foundation is dormant and is described by Mark Shuttleworth as a "safety net" in case anything happens to him or Canonical Ltd. Having better safety net might or might net be good idea.
Wikipedia states: "Ubuntu is currently funded by Mark Shuttleworth through Canonical Ltd. " so IIUC the (dormant) foundation is not spending it's $10M. Ubuntu (the distrubution) looks for now fully financed by Canonical, not by Ubuntu Foundation.


I did not knew it before, but now I know ;-) So thanks for asking good question.

gummibaerchen
January 5th, 2007, 04:28 PM
This is his money and he can flush them down the toilet or use them to start the fire is he so desires.
Contributing to Ubuntu might mean placing a bounty (https://launchpad.net/bounties/) for a feature, is hard to tell.
Quoting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Foundation: Currently the foundation is dormant and is described by Mark Shuttleworth as a "safety net" in case anything happens to him or Canonical Ltd. Having better safety net might or might net be good idea.
Wikipedia states: "Ubuntu is currently funded by Mark Shuttleworth through Canonical Ltd. " so IIUC the (dormant) foundation is not spending it's $10M. Ubuntu (the distrubution) looks for now fully financed by Canonical, not by Ubuntu Foundation.


That's very interesting. So no matter what happens, the Ubuntu Foundation starts then off with 10 million. That's pretty good, so we don't have to worry about the future.

Thanks for your research.

daller
January 6th, 2007, 02:30 AM
That's very interesting. So no matter what happens, the Ubuntu Foundation starts then off with 10 million. That's pretty good, so we don't have to worry about the future.

Thanks for your research.

Well, it's not that simple, IMO! - 10 million will not last forever! - There are 70 developers employed fulltime to work on the project (If I'm not mistaken, this is approx. 3 million per year!) - And shipit is also a huge money-consumer!

...about the donations:

Like "pmasiar" said, I will probably put up some requirements to suit my business processes.

The shop is only a hobby, and I may end up using a lot more than 10% on low-funded projects - A lot of projects stalls or dies, due to the developers inability to earn to their daily bread!

Some applications I currently intend to donate money to:

KMyMoney (Include a budget part!)
KTechLab (Beta! - Get all the basic electronic characteristics right!)
GIMP (Have CMYK support per default!)
*a lot more that I can't remember...

All the "donations" (which it is technically not - more like bounties!) will be given after a given feature has been implemented.

The greatest field of using money though, will probably be local marketing! - I'm currently running a campaign where people can come to our physical shop and get Kubuntu installed for free! (including backup and restore of the data on their pc's) - This is very timeconsuming, hence very expensive!

My conclusion: There'll never be money enough! - The project can always use more! - Employ another developer, start more campaigns, etc...

gummibaerchen
January 6th, 2007, 02:41 AM
Yeah, I think bounty-coding is nice. (Assuming you pay appropriate)

If you check first with the devs wether that is possible for the project, but have a benefit (user and dev).

daller
January 6th, 2007, 02:47 AM
Yeah, I think bounty-coding is nice. (Assuming you pay appropriate)

If you check first with the devs wether that is possible for the project, but have a benefit (user and dev).
The feature I need the most right now, is actually having a Windows app run under ubuntu.

Our shop has 5 computers, where 4 of them has ubuntu, the last windows XP.

The main reason, is that we have an application to upload firmware to remote controls (to make a universal remote for a specific tv, or hifi, etc...)

I've tried to get it running through wine, but it seems like a NO-GO!

It depends on IE, .NET and a lot of other crap!

I've actually told our supplier that we may end up stopping the sale of the remote, just to get rid of that last MS-machine! - They don't seem to care! (Guy from ComGenius: "We do not support linux, since not that many people use it")

gummibaerchen
January 6th, 2007, 03:57 AM
I've actually told our supplier that we may end up stopping the sale of the remote, just to get rid of that last MS-machine! - They don't seem to care! (Guy from ComGenius: "We do not support linux, since not that many people use it")

They are probably right.

Forget Windows Apps under Linux. If I would really need a window, I would put it in some VirtualMachine-Cage to safe the rest :)

For me Linux is more, than just having native apps. It's all about free (as in FLOSS) software.

They aren't much better. just if they compile their stuff for linux...

But some apps will never be come free open-source software...

I don't care, I will use the ones that are ;)

pmasiar
January 6th, 2007, 05:01 AM
Well, it's not that simple, IMO! - 10 million will not last forever! - There are 70 developers employed fulltime to work on the project (If I'm not mistaken, this is approx. 3 million per year!) - And shipit is also a huge money-consumer!.

With $10M in bank you have more than 3 years to find another source of financing, or move some developers to other companies to make $10M last longer or... you have wiggle room of more than 3 years. Not many businesses have this much wiggle room - maybe microsoft. I feel safe enough that in 3 years, someone will step up, or some other solution would be found. I read somewhere that Spain province Extramadura has 400K ubuntu desktops, I bet for them would make sense to pay $1 a year per desktop to keep Ubuntu going.

$0.5M for government is rounding error. ie USA spends abour $100M per hour in Iraq. It is about 20 secs of war - longer than you take to read this. :(

Shipit is not a problem: no money, no free CDs. :twisted:

slavik
March 22nd, 2010, 01:06 PM
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