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RAV TUX
January 3rd, 2007, 05:49 AM
Sabayon Linux became the official Beryl distro!!!


Official Distributions

The official Beryl distro, offers beryl installed by default.
Sabayon

http://www.beryl-project.org/images/distros/sabayon.png (http://sabayonlinux.org/)
>Performance, Versatility, Stability
With a heavily modified make.conf to ensure that Sabayon runs at the highest speed possible on newer computer hardware and fast on semi-older hardware Sabayon delivers some of the best performance in the Linux world today. Sabayon has also compiled the kernel to run well against many available architectures while still leaving the ability to change anything at your desire. With Sabayon it is possible to boot up with Beryl, to have Beryl automatically setup and installed, or to boot with gentoo legacy. Being built upon the strengths of Gentoo, Sabayon provides a rock solid distribution that stays smooth even under the extreme loads.


http://www.beryl-project.org/distros.php

dbbolton
January 3rd, 2007, 06:31 AM
'bout time

maniacmusician
January 3rd, 2007, 07:38 AM
*snip* my post was out of context, my fault. sorry!

aidanr
January 3rd, 2007, 07:40 AM
eh, look at the link, they just did

if feisty ships with beryl, i bet it would become the "official" distro

maniacmusician
January 3rd, 2007, 07:55 AM
eh, look at the link, they just did

if feisty ships with beryl, i bet it would become the "official" distro
geh didn't see that link (I thought the page being linked was the one on the Sabayon site). that's pretty ridiculous. I'm interested to see what the reaction will be. I like Sabayon, I don't use it that often, though.

It's interesting that they chose a KDE distro as their official distro, when beryl is clearly more functional (and pretty) with Gnome right now. As a KDE user, I have to say, I cringe every time I have to use a GTK interface because they always look like crap on KDE.

But yeah. Surprised they didnt choose a GNOME-centric distro instead

RAV TUX
January 3rd, 2007, 08:05 AM
geh didn't see that link (I thought the page being linked was the one on the Sabayon site). that's pretty ridiculous. I'm interested to see what the reaction will be. I like Sabayon, I don't use it that often, though.

It's interesting that they chose a KDE distro as their official distro, when beryl is clearly more functional (and pretty) with Gnome right now. As a KDE user, I have to say, I cringe every time I have to use a GTK interface because they always look like crap on KDE.

But yeah. Surprised they didnt choose a GNOME-centric distro instead

pretty easy answer there currently are only two distros that have Beryl by default Sabayon and KNOPPIX.....the are both KDE by default yet both come with Gnome in their DVD releases....so both Sabayon and KNOPPIX are the logical choices.

maxamillion
January 3rd, 2007, 08:16 AM
I don't think any distro should have beryl by default, nothing says "lets play into the current desktop trends of microsoft" more than shipping a 3d desktop.

Anyone notice that Apple isn't even concerned with bringing 3d to the desktop? Last time I checked, everyone looks to Apple for innovation and it doesn't seem that they consider the 3d eye candy trend to be at all innovative for anything productive in desktop computing.

hanzomon4
January 3rd, 2007, 08:20 AM
I don't think any distro should have beryl by default, nothing says "lets play into the current desktop trends of microsoft" more than shipping a 3d desktop.

Anyone notice that Apple isn't even concerned with bringing 3d to the desktop? Last time I checked, everyone looks to Apple for innovation and it doesn't seem that they consider the 3d eye candy trend to be at all innovative for anything productive in desktop computing.

They've been having 3d effects..........

Johnsie
January 3rd, 2007, 08:25 AM
We should never judge things by what apple do. They have the Quartz Extreme composite windowing system which changes regularly. Bery should be optional but most certainly should be made available for those who choose to use it.

aysiu
January 3rd, 2007, 08:26 AM
Moved to Other Distro Talk.

maxamillion
January 3rd, 2007, 08:26 AM
No, they haven't ... they have had pseudo 3d effects, but they were innovative and they were useful. Have you ever seen Apple make a window wobble? No, because that adds nothing to the desktops' usability. They have Expose' because it is useful, if I have too many applications open at once and I want to quickly view everything I hit a hot key and "zoom out" ... that is useful. Beryl is eye candy and the only thing they brought to the desktop that is worth while is the "picture in alt+tab" and the copy of Apple's Expose' ... everything else is just there for fluff, and did everyone forget that these two features had already been done by other projects?

</rant>

.... sleep time.

maniacmusician
January 3rd, 2007, 08:30 AM
I don't think any distro should have beryl by default, nothing says "lets play into the current desktop trends of microsoft" more than shipping a 3d desktop.

Anyone notice that Apple isn't even concerned with bringing 3d to the desktop? Last time I checked, everyone looks to Apple for innovation and it doesn't seem that they consider the 3d eye candy trend to be at all innovative for anything productive in desktop computing.
nothing says "poser" like constantly caring about things like that. Apple has been innovative in the past, but they're not the be-all end-all source for it. Perhaps they haven't ventured into 3D because they never realized its potential? and as hanzomon4 mentions, they do have 3D effects.

Currently, linux is at the forefront of 3D tech and hopefully will continue to be so. At least Beryl has a huge head start on everyone else.

edit: saw what you said about "useful features". Of course, most of it is for looks, but I disagree that there are no other useful features. The keyboard bindings you can set allow you to be really flexible and productive, and the cube actually helps productivity by enabling you to work in 3D. You think "I'm working on this on that side of the cube" instead of "I'm working on this in workspace 4." Putting it into physical terms definitely helps me, because it gets a lot easier to visualize.

I find myself using the Zoom plugin a lot, too. How about the screenshot plugin? "Super" + "select a region with the mouse" is a lot easier than anything else.

There's a bunch of other useful productivity plugins on the official wishlist and most of them will probably be implemented after the big 0.2.0.

RAV TUX
January 3rd, 2007, 09:11 AM
I don't think any distro should have beryl by default, nothing says "lets play into the current desktop trends of microsoft" more than shipping a 3d desktop.

Anyone notice that Apple isn't even concerned with bringing 3d to the desktop? Last time I checked, everyone looks to Apple for innovation and it doesn't seem that they consider the 3d eye candy trend to be at all innovative for anything productive in desktop computing.If you don't like it just go to the accleration manager and turn it off....easy enough

RAV TUX
January 3rd, 2007, 09:13 AM
No, they haven't ... they have had pseudo 3d effects, but they were innovative and they were useful. Have you ever seen Apple make a window wobble? No, because that adds nothing to the desktops' usability. They have Expose' because it is useful, if I have too many applications open at once and I want to quickly view everything I hit a hot key and "zoom out" ... that is useful. Beryl is eye candy and the only thing they brought to the desktop that is worth while is the "picture in alt+tab" and the copy of Apple's Expose' ... everything else is just there for fluff, and did everyone forget that these two features had already been done by other projects?

</rant>

.... sleep time.wobble windows are really your choice....the power of Linux...if you choose to have wobble windows you have the empowerment to choose it or not....

Apple exploits slave-like labor not a very good role model for anything but greed and bloat....

mushroom
January 3rd, 2007, 01:33 PM
nothing says "lets play into the current desktop trends of microsoft" more than shipping a 3d desktop.

Uhh...wait, what? Are you kidding? Apple's Quartz Extreme has been using the GPU for compositing since 2002. This isn't getting into a trend, this is progress. Beryl doesn't necessarily have to be "tricked out", it can be very understated. For example, all I have turned on is scale, showdesktop and input zoom. No cube, no translucency or anything of the sort. Just pure GUI acceleration. If the Ubuntu devs have any concept of taste then they'll use a similar setup by default. It's not about eye candy, it's about not having your desktop look like *** when anything moves. Come off it already.

Rodneyck
January 3rd, 2007, 05:10 PM
Well I will give Sabayon kudos for their beryl implementation. I briefly installed it on my old computer, an AMD 2.2 with a Nvidia geforce4 Ti200 128mb and beryl worked out of the box on both Aiglx and XGL. I have yet to get the drivers needed for beryl installed properly under Ubuntu and have beryl work. I was amazed, and it worked well. They are doing some things right.

RAV TUX
January 4th, 2007, 03:38 AM
Well I will give Sabayon kudos for their beryl implementation. I briefly installed it on my old computer, an AMD 2.2 with a Nvidia geforce4 Ti200 128mb and beryl worked out of the box on both Aiglx and XGL. I have yet to get the drivers needed for beryl installed properly under Ubuntu and have beryl work. I was amazed, and it worked well. They are doing some things right.Mazel Tov!

fuscia
January 21st, 2007, 09:38 PM
beryl's fun to play with, every once in a while, but most of the time, it's like driving an aquarium down a dirt road.

Toxic-Waste
March 14th, 2007, 09:59 AM
Hi,

I am a WinXp power user and DOS user, I have been fooling around with Windows for more than 12 years. Windows can’t offer me anything new and I think that it is not the best OS, just the most commercially known. Money buys fame :mad: .

I only just recently got into Linux and my experience begun with the use of Ubuntu Linux. I liked it, liked it a lot, ( I am still using it), but I have found the fact of installing Beryl or a few other things so difficult and confusing that I felt a bit discouraged at first. I read in this forum that Beryl is in Beta and it isn’t stable and will not work if you don’t do it right, blah, blah. But how then does Sabayon Linux achieve this and more with such ease? How can Sabayon implement Beryl technology in its Linux and have it work on any PC (as long as Hardware permits this). I tried Sabayon yes. I liked it for its ease of use and its Beryl effects and because it came packed with all the things that Ubuntu needs a day of downloading to have. It also comes with KDE and GNOME, just choose what you want and BAM! Now that is a Linux that my mom can use and you know what? She will be from next week.

But, I am still on Ubuntu. Why? Well I like the UID of Ubuntu, I got used to it very fast. I like the Ubuntu feeling. If only the next version could be more like Sabayon (gimmicks and stuff) with Ubuntu’s UID, that would be great! Ubuntu is like a faith, but it is a faith for the restless, for us that like “fighting”. It is not for the “office” user that want’s to chat over Skype during brakes! I don’t think that it is THE solution for the Win to Linux transition. Maybe Ubuntu 7.04 will be! I hope it will, I have all kind of reminders prepared to ring on the 19th of April, but until then Sabayon and maybe even PCLinuxOS are that much closer. And if you think about it, the Linux Distro that WILL be the ONE, will overshadow the rest. Why, well if out of the 89% that use WinXp only 10-15% choose the CHOSEN Distro then that Distro will become the Linux standard… Oh, forget it, this is another discussion.

Anyway, just wanted to say some things, hope nobody feels that I offended their ideas, I am saying all this based on my small Linux and large WinXp experience.

I wish all who read this a Great Day and keep on progressing guys! :)

RAV TUX
March 15th, 2007, 04:09 AM
I only just recently got into Linux and my experience begun with the use of Ubuntu Linux. I liked it, liked it a lot, ( I am still using it), but I have found the fact of installing Beryl or a few other things so difficult and confusing that I felt a bit discouraged at first. I read in this forum that Beryl is in Beta and it isnít stable and will not work if you donít do it right, blah, blah. But how then does Sabayon Linux achieve this and more with such ease? How can Sabayon implement Beryl technology in its Linux and have it work on any PC (as long as Hardware permits this). I tried Sabayon yes. I liked it for its ease of use and its Beryl effects and because it came packed with all the things that Ubuntu needs a day of downloading to have. It also comes with KDE and GNOME, just choose what you want and BAM! Now that is a Linux that my mom can use and you know what? She will be from next week.






But how then does Sabayon Linux achieve this and more with such ease? How can Sabayon implement Beryl technology in its Linux and have it work on any PC...



Their code is correct.

manmower
March 15th, 2007, 11:12 AM
But how then does Sabayon Linux achieve this and more with such ease? How can Sabayon implement Beryl technology in its Linux and have it work on any PC (as long as Hardware permits this).

I've never tried Sabayon but it seems it would be easy to accomplish. They probably include proprietary drivers as well as open source ones in the distribution and through hardware detection install the proper ones for your card, and put an appropriate xorg.conf in place as well. It basically comes down to writing a small script that, based on the outcome of hardware detection, runs a few simple commands you would normally run yourself. I prefer doing this manually but I will admit their modus operandi is easier or more "seamless" from the user's perspective.

Ubuntu doesn't include certain drivers by default for what I'd call ideological reasons, and if you cannot live with that one time annoyance of enabling the repos for proprietary drivers it is probably best to move to a different distro. It's all based on the position that it's not enough to use some free software but one should strive to use free software exclusively.

Toxic-Waste
March 15th, 2007, 05:27 PM
Ubuntu doesn't include certain drivers by default for what I'd call ideological reasons, and if you cannot live with that one time annoyance of enabling the repos for proprietary drivers it is probably best to move to a different distro. It's all based on the position that it's not enough to use some free software but one should strive to use free software exclusively.

I like this ideology, I can live with it. But there are some things that commercial products do better. For example I am a web designer... I can't imagine not working using Photoshop, Flash and Dreamweaver. The Linux programs for Web Design are centuries behind... I think that in order for Linux to dominate the market or at least get more fans it should either focus on simple office users and php only developers or become more "open" to all types of software both free and commercial. I would love to live in a free world... but is this practically and realistically possible???

manmower
March 15th, 2007, 08:04 PM
While this is getting slightly off topic, for the record I'd like to say I do not disagree with you, I use proprietary drivers myself in fact. I was just illustrating that Ubuntu will probably never have the smooth Beryl implementation of Sabayon until there are free drivers of sufficient quality. And it is a deliberate choice and has nothing to do with technical superiority or the quality of Ubuntu's "code", as someone else here suggested. That is all I wanted to clarify.

RAV TUX
March 16th, 2007, 12:43 AM
While this is getting slightly off topic, for the record I'd like to say I do not disagree with you, I use proprietary drivers myself in fact. I was just illustrating that Ubuntu will probably never have the smooth Beryl implementation of Sabayon until there are free drivers of sufficient quality. And it is a deliberate choice and has nothing to do with technical superiority or the quality of Ubuntu's "code", as someone else here suggested. That is all I wanted to clarify.


Their code is correct.

manmower I was joking btw, it is an expression from a Beck song.

(the expression is: "My beat is correct" from Hell Yes)

see the video here:
Not TheHill88 but really cool music (http://cafelinux.org/forum/index.php/topic,93.0.html)

manmower
March 16th, 2007, 12:59 AM
Haha, sorry for my reaction then... even though I know the song I had no idea you were referring to it. :)