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RAV TUX
December 31st, 2006, 11:18 PM
I just upgraded to Opera 9.10...it is simply beautiful!

Is anybody else here using Opera 9.10?

ahaslam
December 31st, 2006, 11:25 PM
Yeah, it's pretty darn good. I like the way torrents download & the integrated mail ;)
But I still find myself using Firefox 2.0, I guess it's because Opera doesn't fit in well with gtk themes.

Happy new year to y'all ;)

Tony.

agurk
December 31st, 2006, 11:31 PM
Being non-free, it doesn't fit well with my goal of having a free desktop, therefore I choose not to use it.

Stew2
December 31st, 2006, 11:48 PM
I just upgraded to Opera 9.10...it is simply beautiful!

Is anybody else here using Opera 9.10?



Im using Opera on my laptop (win2K;) ), but its only ver. 9.10, where did you find ver. 10? Is it linux only?

Regards,
Stew2

EDIT: by RAV TUX....my apologies wrong version posted;)

ahaslam
December 31st, 2006, 11:56 PM
Im using Opera on my laptop (win2K;) ), but its only ver. 9.10, where did you find ver. 10? Is it linux only?

Regards,
Stew2
Just noticed that, it only seems like yesterday when 9.1 was released & I've never taken too much notice of version numbers :-?

Rhapsody
January 1st, 2007, 12:19 AM
I don't like using non-free software. I have Opera 9.10 on this PC, but that's for testing how my web site looks in it (I have Internet Explorer here for the same reason). I'm currently using Minefield build 2006123104 as my primary browser. With the help of Nightly Tester Tools, my extensions work fine and it works better overall than Mozilla Firefox 2 does.

RAV TUX
January 1st, 2007, 12:24 AM
I just upgraded to Opera 9.10...it is simply beautiful!

Is anybody else here using Opera 9.10?


my mistake...Opera 9.10

RAV TUX
January 1st, 2007, 12:25 AM
edit: edited the poll to reflect 9.10....

I also don't use Opera that often...but my Firefox was acting whacky....so it is used primarily as a backup, and development testing

Stew2
January 1st, 2007, 01:03 AM
I really like it and it has some cool skins. I am so used to FF though that the button placement screws me up a little. The two forward and two back buttons mix me up on occasion. I have to poke around in the settings to see if I can get rid of the extra two, I don't really need them anyway. Definitely a sweet browser though :D . I installed it because FF was acting buggy. Kicker is that on my main machine (dual booting Ubuntu and XP) FF2 is quite stable in both Ubuntu and XP but on my 2K laptop FF is much more tempermental. Always good to try something new though and Opera looks great. I miss my Ubuntu forums extension in it a lot though :D .

Regards,
Stew2

ahaslam
January 1st, 2007, 01:06 AM
but my Firefox was acting whacky
Have you got flash installed?

RAV TUX
January 1st, 2007, 01:07 AM
I really like it and it has some cool skins. I am so used to FF though that the button placement screws me up a little. The two forward and two back buttons mix me up on occasion. I have to poke around in the settings to see if I can get rid of the extra two, I don't really need them anyway. Definitely a sweet browser though :D . I installed it because FF was acting buggy. Kicker is that on my main machine (dual booting Ubuntu and XP) FF2 is quite stable in both Ubuntu and XP but on my 2K laptop FF is much more tempermental. Always good to try something new though and Opera looks great. I miss my Ubuntu forums extension in it a lot though :D .

Regards,
Stew2
I tweaked my Opera once and it is fully customizable.

RAV TUX
January 1st, 2007, 01:08 AM
Have you got flash installed?
on Firefox you mean?

yes flash installed and Beryl used.

also I can watch trailers at movietickets.com with out fail (Quicktime/MPlayer):

http://www.movietickets.com/movie_detail.asp?movie_id=52633&showdate=0&mdstate=4

Stew2
January 1st, 2007, 01:19 AM
It's also kind of cool how you can resize the icon sets in the diffrent themes by going to Tools> Appearance> and then adjusting the icon size by percentage. That way if you find a cool skin you like but the icons are too big or too small you can change the size :). Sweet!

Regards,
Stew2

ahaslam
January 1st, 2007, 01:23 AM
Flash really drives firefox crazy on my machine. It makes no difference what version of FF or Flash I use (or even what distro), but it's guaranteed to crash my laptop twice an hour :(

Remove Flash and all is good ;)

shanepardue
January 1st, 2007, 03:00 AM
I never have problems with flash in firefox. maybe I'm just not as much of a hardcore flash user.

Engnome
January 1st, 2007, 04:01 AM
I just upgraded to Opera 9.10...it is simply beautiful!

Is anybody else here using Opera 9.10?


Yeah Opera is by far the best browser IMHO!

ice60
January 1st, 2007, 04:13 AM
I really like it and it has some cool skins. I am so used to FF though that the button placement screws me up a little. The two forward and two back buttons mix me up on occasion. I have to poke around in the settings to see if I can get rid of the extra two

just right-click on the buttons and select remove :mrgreen:

of cause i love opera, it's far better then fx :)

BTW you can add loads of extra buttons too if you like called bookmarklets. but, you can use bookmarklets in any browser :|

Stew2
January 1st, 2007, 04:16 AM
just right-click on the buttons and select remove :mrgreen:

of cause i love opera, it's far better then fx :)

BTW you can add loads of extra buttons too if you like called bookmarklets. but, you can use bookmarklets in any browser :|

Cool! :D Thanks for the tip, I will try that! :D

Regards,
Stew2

shanepardue
January 1st, 2007, 04:19 AM
Until extensions like Google Browser Sync and CustomizeGoogle are available for Opera, I'm stuck with a tried and true "free" browser.

fuscia
January 1st, 2007, 08:31 AM
is it zippier, or am i on crack (which, i guess, would make it seem slower than it is...:confused: )?

pmj
January 1st, 2007, 08:39 AM
I mostly use Firefox, but I have Opera installed and use it from time to time. I'd upgrade it, but I'm afraid my customizations would be lost in the process. It always takes me weeks to get rid of all the insane crap that is turned on by default.

Have they improved stability from version 9.02? There are a couple of websites that always makes this version crash instantly. I'd upgrade for better stability.

riven0
January 1st, 2007, 08:46 AM
Opera 9.10...simply awesome

Yeah, I'm using it now.... so fast...:cool:



Edit: BTW, guys, try out the Dapper theme (http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/info/?id=4236). It rocks.

Sef
January 1st, 2007, 08:58 AM
I use it from time to time. I like it as a back up, but not as a main browser.

ButteBlues
January 1st, 2007, 09:10 AM
I use it off and on, depending on whether I'm using a lot of RAM and want something quick, or if I'm just doing general browsing.

Frak
January 1st, 2007, 09:24 AM
I like how it preloads everything, it can take up a little bit more RAM, but end the end its lightning fast, because everything needed is already on hand, my computer doesn't have to load to open a new tab, it just opens it like its no problem. :)

Quillz
January 1st, 2007, 09:24 AM
Yes, I've just installed a fresh copy of Opera 9.1 and I really like it. I still prefer Firefox because of extensions, but Opera has the best themes available, in my opinion. And while the included BitTorrent and e-mail management is nice, I still can't justify replacing uTorrent and Thunderbird.

BLTicklemonster
January 1st, 2007, 09:56 AM
Weee, I went to install it on Edgy, and half way through the install an error message came up saying there was something wrong with the download, so I downloaded it again, and went to install it, and this time it said it couldn't install because I had something or other like updates (it wasn't) running, to close that and try again. So I logged off and back on, and it would not install.

So I sudo aptitude remove opera and freaking got asked if I was root.

sudo dpkg -reconfigure -a (or whatever, I have since booted to my stand by dapper disk)

I looked up the error message, and there was mention of removing mention of opera from /var/lib/dpkg/status or something, but it wasn't listed there.

So no, I don't think I'll go installing opera.

Now to see if I can get Edgy working again.

canadiangg
January 1st, 2007, 10:22 AM
I don't know why some suggest it is not free...

You can download and use it for free.
I believe you only need to pay if you want "premium" support.

:p

BLTicklemonster
January 1st, 2007, 10:49 AM
Got it working again.

Instead of using the installer, I used

sudo dpkg like you're supposed to.

So, I'm in opera. I have to say, it's quick as heck.

ice60
January 1st, 2007, 10:53 AM
I don't know why some suggest it is not free...

You can download and use it for free.
I believe you only need to pay if you want "premium" support.

:p
they're probably talking about it not using the GPL licence. i'm not sure if you realise that or not with that smilie at the end of your post :)

you know the 4 freedoms - freedom to read the code, improve the code, give it away and the other one, i forget it right now.

Sluipvoet
January 1st, 2007, 10:55 AM
I don't know why some suggest it is not free...

You can download and use it for free.
I believe you only need to pay if you want "premium" support.

:p

The old "free beer"(gratis) vs "free speech"(libre) discussion. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_Libre)

ice60
January 1st, 2007, 11:19 AM
here's The Free Software Definition
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

anyway, you can add lots of features to opera using userjs, or bookmarklets (drag the bookmarklet from the page STRAIGHT UPWARD to the toolbar, where it will become a new button) here are some bookmarklets links -
http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/
http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/links.html

remember just drag anything you want onto your toolbar lol
http://operawiki.info/CustomButtons
http://operawiki.info/PowerButtons

here's the userjs site for opera -
http://userjs.org/ i forgot a link to the scripts - http://userjs.org/scripts/

here's how to get it working
http://userjs.org/help/installation

and here's an old screenshot showing the google suggest userjs -

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/913/screenshotgoogleopera8547ve.th.png (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotgoogleopera8547ve.png)

i don't want to bore anyone with this post, i just like opera :mrgreen:

mahy
January 1st, 2007, 11:25 AM
Not enough poll choices; i use Opera 9.10 and nothing else.

canadiangg
January 1st, 2007, 12:00 PM
Ahhh... I see now
and thank you for the clarification...

bailout
January 1st, 2007, 12:48 PM
Not enough poll choices; i use Opera 9.10 and nothing else.

Ditto. I have used Opera for browsing and internet on both linux and windows for years now. I sometimes use konq to check one page or do a seach if it is already open but otherwise always opera. I have tried FF several times but it is just slow, bloated and too basic. The extension system just adds even more bloat and instability.

kerry_s
January 1st, 2007, 01:19 PM
What annoys me is that mplayer still doesn't work in opera. All so there's just a slit for this reply box.

ogregore
January 1st, 2007, 02:28 PM
I use Opera a little more than FF. It seems to render pages faster and and on my system anyway, seems to use less system resources. The MPlayer plug-in problem is a pain though. I use a Toolbar setup called SimpleOpera 754 (got it from the Opera Community Site) which makes my setup look pretty much the same on both Opera and FF. I have attached a screenie showing both.

Cheers
Ogre

RAV TUX
January 1st, 2007, 03:05 PM
Ogre

nice avatar;)

ice60
January 1st, 2007, 07:50 PM
here are some more button links - bookmarklets

http://www.aimwell.org/Help/Buttons/buttons.html
http://people.opera.com/byberg/custom_button.htm
http://people.opera.com/rijk/opera/dndbuttons.html
http://home.wanadoo.nl/sipke.reina/opera/buttons.html

ice60
January 1st, 2007, 08:01 PM
i've just been playing around with adding extra things, i've even got a new clock just below where it says File lol it's a good thing i backed up my settings first :rolleyes:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9563/screenshot0101200718530pb6.th.png (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0101200718530pb6.png)

Jorge32
January 1st, 2007, 08:46 PM
I've always used Opera, I even had that version in Windows (when I used it) And I just love it. And It has some cool skins. I recommend it so much, for example download the one called The Blue Button, or there was another ( it has some time it changed so I don'tknow how it looks here) called TTTcateye or something like that. But try, there are a lot. I aso like a lot the things that Opera Offers, and I obviusly voted I used Opera, but I don't use Firefox, I kind of dislike it after using Opera so much time.

gjtoth
January 1st, 2007, 08:56 PM
Opera is a great browser. It renders some sites a little goofy (like GMail, for instance) but, I love what they've done with it. Some of the widgets are pretty cool too.

BillZog
January 1st, 2007, 09:00 PM
I think it is great, but I have not accessed it via Ubuntu yet. Am really glad to hear it is possible and will search for download and installation process. Have used Opera for years and they are getting better and better.

RAV TUX
January 1st, 2007, 09:04 PM
I think it is great, but I have not accessed it via Ubuntu yet. Am really glad to hear it is possible and will search for download and installation process. Have used Opera for years and they are getting better and better.

look in your Synaptic Package Manager, make sure you have Multiverse and Universe enabled.

Edit: I am not sure if the latest version is there?

Jorge32
January 1st, 2007, 10:11 PM
or download via Opera webpage, there is a package.

kuja
January 2nd, 2007, 01:24 AM
With regards to the poll, my option didn't exist :\
I use Opera 9.10 (and that's all, nothing else).

TheRingmaster
January 2nd, 2007, 02:07 AM
you can install it via the official repository (http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=841).

Polygon
January 2nd, 2007, 03:42 AM
Opera is cool, but im more of a firefox man. I have it installed as a backup in windows, but in ubuntu, if i install it , it takes over my computer and everything opens with it, and then if i uninstall it, i cant figure out how to make everything (like links) open in firefox again.

EdThaSlayer
January 2nd, 2007, 08:58 AM
I prefer Opera over any other browser. Haven't updated it yet though. The reason why Opera is better is that it is very "stable" unlike Firefox(which either has memory leaks every 5-10 minutes or crashes or just runs "slow").The best thing about Opera is that it is "free to download and use", I would rather use free professional software that works(ex:opera) than something opensource that doesn't work(ex:Firefox).

slowmotion
January 2nd, 2007, 11:48 AM
Was using Opera 9.0, and getting fed up beacuse it was crashing on
sites with lots of Flash, like newssites and so on.
At the same time I love using the mouse-gestures in Opera
and can't imagine using another browser.

Today I updated to Opera 9.10 and haven't had a crash yet.
And it seems to load the pages faster?
We'll see how it behaves in the long run.

cheers

graficus
January 2nd, 2007, 12:04 PM
Yes, I've been using Opera since year 2000, it just keeps getting better, and now it's free too! :D
I love mouse gestures, bookmarks on side bar, skins, everything!
Only use some other browser when I get dumb webmaster message (i.e. "your browser is not supported")

jclmusic
January 2nd, 2007, 02:35 PM
i prefer firefox over opera. just a mixture of habit and prefference.

ffi
January 2nd, 2007, 02:48 PM
I always used to use Opera on my windows machine as it was simply the best and fastest but on linux versions prior to 9.10 were not so good and I became sort of disappointed. The linux version ran slower and quirkier than the win32 version under Wine and scrolling was terrible! I still used Opera because I still prefered it over FF or Konqueror but now with 9.10 my disappointment has gone, it runs beautifully fast and smooth like the win32 version :D . BTW I (almost) don't use other browsers, just for checking a site if it doesn't work in Opera but these are far and few between...

cosmint_1973
January 4th, 2007, 08:32 PM
Yes, I use Opera too, when I need fast web browsing and having a good RSS reader and mail reader and contact manager. I must admit I wish that Opera would be as customisable as Firefox is, but no hope in that direction.:-k

graficus
January 4th, 2007, 09:20 PM
cosmint_1973 I think Opera has many more customizations than Firefox. The more I use it the more tweaks I discover.
It comes out quite ugly right after install, but after 10 min of preference fixing it's better than anything else.

RAV TUX
January 5th, 2007, 01:36 AM
It comes out quite ugly right after install, but after 10 min of preference fixing it's better than anything else.

not much different then firefox;)

sgx
January 5th, 2007, 02:11 AM
I use it mainly for mail, once there, I sometimes surf, but don't open it when only surfing is intended, and that mainly because it by default, seems a bit more cluttered to me, than Firefox.

But for mail, newer versions of Thunderbird and Evolution refuse to work properly, even though my account has not changed...Opera however works from
the gitgo, and thats all I need...

but Yam on Amiga computers is still worlds finest mail app, and that by a longshot!

NutrOn
January 7th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Its the only browser supporting all web 2.0 standards which means its probably way more secure, It is a little quirky, especially with text display zooming and saving links.
:cool:

Jaymac
January 10th, 2007, 01:58 PM
I miss my Ubuntu forums extension in it a lot though :D .

Regards,
Stew2

In Opera:

View -> Toolbars -> check the Personal Bar box

Tools -> Preferences -> Search

Click Add:

Name: Ub&untu Forums
Keyword: u
Address: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?q=%s&do=process

Right click on Personal Bar.. Show searches.. Ubuntu Forums...

Done :)

Also, you can now press F2 and type 'u' followed by a space and then a search string to search the forums that way..

Example:


u opera 9.10

Back to the original topic, I use Opera 9.10 and LOVE it :D

ice60
January 10th, 2007, 02:18 PM
i use google's bookmarklet 'search site' for searching any site i'm on (you can see the button inside the red square) -
http://operawiki.info/PowerButtons#sitesearch

i think opera is more configurable then firefox (there are 1000s of changes you can make anyway). but, i've said it enough times and won't go on about it.


also you can just add a asearch like this -
to add searches to opera search engines just right-click in the search box you want to add and select 'create search'

TheRingmaster
January 10th, 2007, 04:02 PM
I still get a kick out of w3m text browser once and a while. anyone else?

trash
January 10th, 2007, 04:17 PM
Opera only here and yes the latest rocks:D

osX and linux.

I'm not sure why people complain about it being nonfree, there is a free version that offers everything every other browser offers, they just also offer a nonfree version but you have a choice!

Jaymac
January 10th, 2007, 04:19 PM
Opera only here and yes the latest rocks:D

osX and linux.

I'm not sure why people complain about it being nonfree, there is a free version that offers everything every other browser offers, they just also offer a nonfree version but you have a choice!

There's a free version of Opera? Where? I guess you mean free as in beer, and everyone is aware of that - they're talking free as in freedom.

trash
January 10th, 2007, 07:25 PM
There's a free version of Opera? Where? I guess you mean free as in beer, and everyone is aware of that - they're talking free as in freedom.

right, i forgot about the issues with that.
I've been using Opera since mac os8 when there were few good alternatives available. People complained a lot about a popup asking to buy but after Opera had gained enough of a user base they got rid of it... I could see the same happening with licencing in time, maybe/hopefully.

crimesaucer
January 14th, 2007, 03:43 PM
I just installed Opera 9.10 and it's the first time I've used it. So far, it is SO MUCH FASTER than Firefox is and it works better with Beryl's 1.5-svn plug-ins. It feels so stable and solid, and has a lot of choices for skin/themes.

I really miss the Firefox extension for thumbnail previews on Google, and I also miss my Gmail skins, and Greasemonkey/Stylish user scripts. But hopefully I'll find some way to add those features from Ice60's links.

And is it possible to add search engine plug-ins to Opera like in Firefox?

23meg
January 14th, 2007, 03:51 PM
I've used Opera from version 1 to 7, almost exclusively starting from version 3. The functionality of some Firefox extensions, a disaster I had with the M2 mail client, Opera's failure to render some pages properly, and the urge not to use proprietary software for something as essential and often used as a web browser (especially when there are open source alternatives that work) eventually brought me over to Firefox.

adas
January 14th, 2007, 04:47 PM
I really miss the Firefox extension for thumbnail previews on Google, and I also miss my Gmail skins, and Greasemonkey/Stylish user scripts. But hopefully I'll find some way to add those features from Ice60's links.
See this page: http://files.myopera.com/Rijk/blog/extensions.html


And is it possible to add search engine plug-ins to Opera like in Firefox?
Right click on a form from search field on page (eg. up on this page) and choose a "Create a search".

crimesaucer
January 14th, 2007, 07:50 PM
Thank you, now I have ubuntu search!

Zdravko
January 14th, 2007, 10:18 PM
May I see at least 3 reasons why this strange widget Opera is better than the all-mighty Firefox? I insist on serious and thoughtful comments. FF is installed by default and is integrated in the Ubuntu outlook. What can you say about it?

kuja
January 14th, 2007, 10:27 PM
I just installed Opera 9.10 and it's the first time I've used it. So far, it is SO MUCH FASTER than Firefox is and it works better with Beryl's 1.5-svn plug-ins. It feels so stable and solid, and has a lot of choices for skin/themes.

I really miss the Firefox extension for thumbnail previews on Google, and I also miss my Gmail skins, and Greasemonkey/Stylish user scripts. But hopefully I'll find some way to add those features from Ice60's links.

And is it possible to add search engine plug-ins to Opera like in Firefox?
about the search thing, go to tools -> preferences -> search tab.

robc02
January 14th, 2007, 11:41 PM
I have been a fan of Opera for some time. I like the mouse gestures and saving sessions. (Have tried 'all in one gestures' in Firefox but don't find them as easy to use - but I suppose its just personal preference). Have just upgraded to 9.10 - it seems fine.
I know it's not free in the strictest sense, but my copy is legal and Opera have never asked for payment, so that's good enough for me!

Jaymac
January 16th, 2007, 01:10 AM
May I see at least 3 reasons why this strange widget Opera is better than the all-mighty Firefox? I insist on serious and thoughtful comments. FF is installed by default and is integrated in the Ubuntu outlook. What can you say about it?

3 things, eh?

1. Innovation. Opera is responsible for developing and implementing many of the features you take for granted in your browser of choice. Tabbed browsing? Javascript extensions? Mouse gestures? Widgets? SVG support? Opera did it first. You want to see the future of browsing? Look at Opera.

2. Compatibility. A standard Opera install passes the Acid2 test becoming only the second browser to do so. Firefox is yet to come close to this. If any pages don't render properly on Opera, it is the designer's fault; not Opera's.

3. Customisability. You may say Firefox can be customised 'til kingdom come, but Opera can be too. You can define your own searches, toolbars, formatting, and yes, Opera was the first browser to implement javascript extensions, which have become so popular with Firefox.

And Opera is just such a joy to use - it really couldn't be less of a chore browsing the web with Opera.

Don't get me wrong, Firefox is a great browser - this monkey just has a preference for things Norwegian.

ffi
January 16th, 2007, 01:29 AM
Some other points:

Page drawing, Opera draws a page being loaded very differently from FF, it feels very smooth and gradual yet, very fast.

Smoothscrolling is far smoother on Opera (admittedly smoothscrolling in Opera Linux sucked before 9.10)

Drag image to get their address

The wand password manager

The zoom actually zooms images too

Stability and even when it crasher your session is saved

and many many many more things, I try FF once in a while but never manage for more than a few hours, it just feels too bumby.....

ice60
January 16th, 2007, 01:43 AM
for about 2/3 years now opera has had fewer vulnerabilities, or unpatched vulnerabilities at secunia. i admit i don't really check, but i have seen people post links to secunia many times always showing opera to seem more secure.

timpino
January 16th, 2007, 03:21 AM
Hey, there is no option for us who chose _NOT_ to use Firefox, Opera for the world!

Serously, why would I even consider using Firefox?

Skiboo
January 16th, 2007, 03:49 AM
Opera for the win.

I've been using opera since version 4 or so, it's only in the last few years that anything has come close to it. These days, I can certainly see firefox as an alternative, but as much as I try to get used to it, I always end up coming back to opera.

One difference in particular is the speed at which I can go back or forward a page. In opera this happens instantly, but in firefox there is a delay, usually about a second, but sometimes more depending on the page. Is it doing something over the network? Is it tweakable? Who knows, but it's enough to turn me off fx.

timpino
January 16th, 2007, 03:59 AM
Opera for the win.

I've been using opera since version 4 or so, it's only in the last few years that anything has come close to it. These days, I can certainly see firefox as an alternative, but as much as I try to get used to it, I always end up coming back to opera.

One difference in particular is the speed at which I can go back or forward a page. In opera this happens instantly, but in firefox there is a delay, usually about a second, but sometimes more depending on the page. Is it doing something over the network? Is it tweakable? Who knows, but it's enough to turn me off fx.

i think, i repeat, think that it has to do with the renderingengine and how the different browsers use the memory, opera is like linux, it caches up what it might need, so this means if it's already in memory it will load quicker. :)

Actually Opera back/forward is faster than browsing my local files, might sound strange but it's true.

wert613
January 16th, 2007, 05:52 AM
i had been using opera as it is 5x the speed of firefox
however it started acting up as in every 5 minutes it shut off my network connection so i had to switch to epiphany:(:(

trash
January 16th, 2007, 06:37 AM
seems to handle multiple webmail accounts a lot better than other browsers too.... safari sucks for that, dunno how good firefox is at it though

ButteBlues
January 16th, 2007, 06:43 AM
For now I use Epiphany. Once Opera is using QT4 (and thus, will look like GTK when ran in a GTK-environment), I may use it.

Erunno
January 16th, 2007, 09:37 AM
For now I use Epiphany. Once Opera is using QT4 (and thus, will look like GTK when ran in a GTK-environment), I may use it.

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=150913


An internal GUI toolkit which makes it faster and easier to keep the same UI on multiple platforms. This toolkit, called "Quick", has replaced Qt on Unix (with the exception of system dialogs, etc.).

This was actually news to me that Opera is using an internally developed new toolkit in the 9.xx series so I wouldn't count on it using QT4 in the future. Anyway, there are some good skins for Opera that makes it blend with the rest of the desktop rather well (try theDapper_1.0 skin on GNOME),

Opera is just pure awesomeness. Firebird once promised that it would be a small, lean browser but somehow in its evolution it became Firefox and they gave up on the premise it seems. Now, Opera is less resource intensive, faster,more secure, a fully featured websuite with an awesome UI all bundled in a download package which is a quarter compared to Firefox + Thunderbird (only browser/email). A shame that it never found the recognition from the public it would surely deserve. Alas, hype it seems has pushed Firefox to the forefront of IE alternatives.

By the way, where is the poll option "Opera is all I need to satisfy my internet needs" ? ;)

ffi
January 16th, 2007, 09:39 AM
For now I use Epiphany. Once Opera is using QT4 (and thus, will look like GTK when ran in a GTK-environment), I may use it.

This won't happen, they are fasing out Qt in favour of their own toolkit Quick. Shame really, because this means you will naver get to know the pleasure of using Opera and you could always get an Opera skin to make it fit in with the rest....

ffi
January 16th, 2007, 09:42 AM
i had been using opera as it is 5x the speed of firefox
however it started acting up as in every 5 minutes it shut off my network connection so i had to switch to epiphany:(:(
When was the last time you tried? I used to have this too around versiob 9.00 or 9.01 but it has been long fixed.

ButteBlues
January 16th, 2007, 11:15 AM
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=150913



This was actually news to me that Opera is using an internally developed new toolkit in the 9.xx series so I wouldn't count on it using QT4 in the future. Anyway, there are some good skins for Opera that makes it blend with the rest of the desktop rather well (try theDapper_1.0 skin on GNOME),

Opera is just pure awesomeness. Firebird once promised that it would be a small, lean browser but somehow in its evolution it became Firefox and they gave up on the premise it seems. Now, Opera is less resource intensive, faster,more secure, a fully featured websuite with an awesome UI all bundled in a download package which is a quarter compared to Firefox + Thunderbird (only browser/email). A shame that it never found the recognition from the public it would surely deserve. Alas, hype it seems has pushed Firefox to the forefront of IE alternatives.

By the way, where is the poll option "Opera is all I need to satisfy my internet needs" ? ;)


This won't happen, they are fasing out Qt in favour of their own toolkit Quick. Shame really, because this means you will naver get to know the pleasure of using Opera and you could always get an Opera skin to make it fit in with the rest....

I feel like that's overall a poor choice unless Opera moves away from a Qt-like interface with this change.


And Erunno, I don't disagree about Opera, it is possibly the best browser out there. However, I cannot stand using applications which look out of place in a GNOME environment. Especially since I change my themes every so often.

Extreme Coder
January 16th, 2007, 07:04 PM
I agree, it's a shame Opera isn't going for more integration with KDE.Firefox and KDE aren't a very nice couple you know ;) and besides, Opera is much faster than Firefox(even with a BT client, an e-mail client, and an RSS reader, and some widget thingy, nothing seems to slow it down :P )

I WAS using Epiphany when I was on GNOME.

RAV TUX
January 17th, 2007, 04:10 AM
If any reasonable person can come up for air from Firefox...you will realize Opera is simply superior.

wert613
January 17th, 2007, 04:13 AM
If any reasonable person can come up for air from Firefox...you will realize Opera is simply superior.

well put
opera has many advantages over firefox.
and if anyone can present a disadvantage i will personally apolagize to them...
After beating them over the head with a two by four:twisted:

Arup
January 27th, 2007, 03:48 PM
I am using the latest Opera version 2007112, I have been using Opera since version 3x in Windows, I also used Opera with SuSE 8.1 a while back, it has run like a dream so far in both Windows and SuSE 8.1 with KDE desktop, but on Gnome Ubuntu 6.10 I am a bit dissapointed, it feels sluggish specially in the drawing part, when you move the opened windows, its not responsive, I like Opera and would stick to it no matter what but wish it was smooth sailing, maybe I should give Kubuntu a try, hopefully the issue will go away. Btw, flash works wonderfully with my Opera.

EmilyRose
January 27th, 2007, 05:12 PM
I love Opera - I switched to Opera in Windows a really long time ago, and have been a fan ever since. I typically install Firefox on friends/families computers, and tell them to use it rather than IE, but for me, Opera just works better.

I love tabbed browsing and absolutely HATE having multiple windows open - and firefox just insists on opening things in new windows (And yes, I have it set to do it in tabs, but it doesnt freaking listen), which annoys the hell out of me (I hate having to right-click and select 'open in new tab'). Thats honestly my biggest complaint with firefox...

daynah
January 27th, 2007, 05:49 PM
I love my Opera. Why IS there this odd "cult" centered around Firefox anyway? Opera wins anyday. :)

P.S. I was having some RAM issues and Firefox is how I figured outw hich stick was broken. Whatever Memtest32... Just use Firefox for a little bit, the problem shows itself pretty quick...

mips
January 27th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Busy emerging, wonder how its gonna handle plugins & stuff in my x86_64 environment.

agurk
January 27th, 2007, 06:16 PM
Sure sounds great! I mean, who wouldn't want to fill their shiny new free operating system with closed source proprietary applications?

mips
January 27th, 2007, 06:30 PM
Sure sounds great! I mean, who wouldn't want to fill their shiny new free operating system with closed source proprietary applications?

it's called choice. It's my pc and I do do on it whatever I wish.

Frak
January 27th, 2007, 06:40 PM
it's called choice. It's my pc and I do do on it whatever I wish.
exactly the definition of freedom

TheRingmaster
January 28th, 2007, 04:04 AM
it's called choice. It's my pc and I do do on it whatever I wish.

I agree also. Well put.:guitar:

cowlip
January 28th, 2007, 04:10 AM
I really love Opera. Firefox is nice but seriously, I need to add like 10 extensions onto to make it like Opera, and it's so slow on my Pentium 3 PC. I really don't see how they're going to get it running on the very low-spec OLPC but anyways...

Does anyone know how Osync for Opera works these days? I'm looking for an equivalent to the uber-useful Google Browser Sync on Firefox, for Opera.

tacm
January 28th, 2007, 09:15 AM
I was unable to vote. I ONLY use Opera. It was the one thing I thought I was going to miss about Windows, I did not know there was a Linux ver. I downloaded it tonight. My pilgramige form microsoft is complete. :D PS If any FF users get used to the wand in Opera Im sure you will dump FF

RAV TUX
January 28th, 2007, 09:29 AM
I was unable to vote. I ONLY use Opera. It was the one thing I thought I was going to miss about Windows, I did not know there was a Linux ver. I downloaded it tonight. My pilgramige form microsoft is complete. :D PS If any FF users get used to the wand in Opera Im sure you will dump FF

someone should develop a Firefox extension that duplicates the Opera wand

maniacmusician
January 28th, 2007, 09:59 AM
I was unable to vote. I ONLY use Opera. It was the one thing I thought I was going to miss about Windows, I did not know there was a Linux ver. I downloaded it tonight. My pilgramige form microsoft is complete. :D PS If any FF users get used to the wand in Opera Im sure you will dump FF
I love opera too! but some of these firefox extensions keep me from switching.

I think firefox is one of the worst browsers out there (IMO)...It's always been slow for me, because I browse with a lot of tabs. It also hogs a lot of memory, and crashes every so often.

Opera is amazing. Fast, sleek, some really useful tools, like that wand, and others. Some pretty nice skins for it. I prefer it to Firefox, no contest. also, it's developed in QT, I use KDE, that's another plus for me.

The only thing thats keeping me tied down is extensions...Some that don't have an equivalent in Opera are Cooliris Previews, Download statusbar, DownThemAll, ErrorZilla Mod (not a critical one, but its useful), and Google Notebook. Extensions are really what make FF great. The most agonizing thought is, if this were open source, extensions for Opera may already have been implemented. Too bad this kind of stuff can't be done with opera widgets.

cowlip
January 30th, 2007, 12:50 AM
I love opera too! but some of these firefox extensions keep me from switching.

I think firefox is one of the worst browsers out there (IMO)...It's always been slow for me, because I browse with a lot of tabs. It also hogs a lot of memory, and crashes every so often.

Opera is amazing. Fast, sleek, some really useful tools, like that wand, and others. Some pretty nice skins for it. I prefer it to Firefox, no contest. also, it's developed in QT, I use KDE, that's another plus for me.

The only thing thats keeping me tied down is extensions...Some that don't have an equivalent in Opera are Cooliris Previews, Download statusbar, DownThemAll, ErrorZilla Mod (not a critical one, but its useful), and Google Notebook. Extensions are really what make FF great. The most agonizing thought is, if this were open source, extensions for Opera may already have been implemented. Too bad this kind of stuff can't be done with opera widgets.

Yeah I love Google notebook too :) that and google browser sync rock.

I keep wondering if Opera will ever integrate Firefox extensions in some way...it's not like it's IE and ActiveX isn't open source. The whole thing is open sourced

ronacc
February 5th, 2007, 02:09 AM
I have used opera for years , right now I have both 9.02 and 9.10 on different distros and I'm trying to kick 9.10 into operation on my feisty herd3 amd64 install.

Adamant1988
February 5th, 2007, 04:10 PM
I've used it, but personally I prefer Flock/Firefox. For their extensions. I'm big on Blogging and Social sites, so I like my browser to support that. Flock is the best choice for me in that respect.

Arup
February 6th, 2007, 06:16 PM
Opera has always been my browser, Windows and Linux, since version 3x, check out Opera 9.20 at http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-557/intel-linux/opera_9.20-20070202.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb

This one solves all the problems of the slower one downloaded from Ubuntu rep. Has lower mem consumption as well and is as usual fast and smooth.

ricardisimo
February 17th, 2007, 06:00 AM
I'm on Feisty now, and I'm not seeing Opera in Add/Remove nor in (my rather buggy) Synaptic. Can someone give me the repo source line for Feisty. Is it the same as Edgy? Thanks.

corstar
February 17th, 2007, 07:32 AM
I've never been able to get pages other than those on Opera's site. It's very strange.
When all other browsers work fine, no opera.

I thought it may be an ipv6 issue, checked opera's config and didn't make any difference.

I never found a solution.

I would like to try it out if I can get these problems sorted. It looks like an awesome browser.

karellen
February 17th, 2007, 08:57 AM
yes, opera it's great. I use it more than I use firefox, at least in linux

venik212
February 20th, 2007, 08:03 PM
I am using Opera 9.10 under Kubuntu 6.10, and like it, although it retains many of the peculiarities that prevented me from using it as my default browser (it simply does not work with many sites, which are, apparently, non-standard).
I have a question: I wanted to modify the fonts I see when I compose a message with Yahoo Mail under Opera, but failed. Can someone tell me how to do that? I tried many of the possibilities under /tools/preferences/fonts, but none worked.
Thanks,

Colonel Kilkenny
February 20th, 2007, 09:55 PM
I am using Opera 9.10 under Kubuntu 6.10, and like it, although it retains many of the peculiarities that prevented me from using it as my default browser (it simply does not work with many sites, which are, apparently, non-standard).
I have a question: I wanted to modify the fonts I see when I compose a message with Yahoo Mail under Opera, but failed. Can someone tell me how to do that? I tried many of the possibilities under /tools/preferences/fonts, but none worked.
Thanks,

I'd say that if that is possible the correct place would be tools->preferences->fonts->forms text field multi-line
But I have no experience about Yahoo or changing the fonts. You could have better luck with that at http://my.opera.com/forums

guice
February 20th, 2007, 10:59 PM
I tried to use Opera 9.1 for a bit there, but I ran into an issue, after a while, Opera would start to /seriously/ run slow and very blotchy. Upon looking at system memory, Opera was over 400 megs!

I quit and went back to Firefox/Thunderbird combo. I honestly gave Opera a shot, but it just didn't remain fast and quickly bogged itself down after prolong use.

Sunflower1970
February 20th, 2007, 11:16 PM
I haven't used opera in a long time on my desktops. Before FF came along, I was using it on my Windows box, but then discovered FF, and never looked back.

The only place I'm using Opera, is, on all things, my pocket PC (has PPC 2003 on it). It's much better than IE...although I'm not really that thrilled that at the end of 30 days I'll have to pay for it to keep using it (unless I keep hard resetting my pocket PC... hmmmm)

Wish FF made a pocket PC version of their browser...

Frak
February 20th, 2007, 11:41 PM
I haven't used opera in a long time on my desktops. Before FF came along, I was using it on my Windows box, but then discovered FF, and never looked back.

The only place I'm using Opera, is, on all things, my pocket PC (has PPC 2003 on it). It's much better than IE...although I'm not really that thrilled that at the end of 30 days I'll have to pay for it to keep using it (unless I keep hard resetting my pocket PC... hmmmm)

Wish FF made a pocket PC version of their browser...
MiniMo (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/) -MiniMozilla Web Browser, FF is just a revamped version of Mozilla
(but I think paying for Opera Mobile Web Browser is worth the money, its the best out there, or what I've tried IMHO.)

floke
February 20th, 2007, 11:48 PM
Opera has always been my browser, Windows and Linux, since version 3x, check out Opera 9.20 at http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-557/intel-linux/opera_9.20-20070202.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb

This one solves all the problems of the slower one downloaded from Ubuntu rep. Has lower mem consumption as well and is as usual fast and smooth.

Dude. Cheers for this. Have just upgraded :)

w00dchaz
February 21st, 2007, 01:04 AM
I've loved Opera for a long time. Works well and well-organized. Never really got used to Firefox.

They may be closed source, but they do have good software, and they do support Linux. I know at least one of their people is a serious Linux fanatic (he's the one who turned me onto Ubuntu).

Sunflower1970
February 21st, 2007, 04:47 AM
MiniMo (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/) -MiniMozilla Web Browser, FF is just a revamped version of Mozilla
(but I think paying for Opera Mobile Web Browser is worth the money, its the best out there, or what I've tried IMHO.)

Thanks for the link :)

Tried out Minimo and although I like how it looks I'm not impressed with how slow it is. Think I'll just stick with Opera Mobile for the time being. But, I'll keep watch on Minimo to see if it improves

Bloch
February 22nd, 2007, 01:02 AM
I used opera for a while over a year ago.

I'd like to try it again, but before I pull my hair out, does anyone have mplayer and realplayer plugins working for streaming videos? I don't want to go down the road of trying to get these working if it's just a pipe dream.

TheRingmaster
February 22nd, 2007, 08:29 PM
I used opera for a while over a year ago.

I'd like to try it again, but before I pull my hair out, does anyone have mplayer and realplayer plugins working for streaming videos? I don't want to go down the road of trying to get these working if it's just a pipe dream.

that is the reason I never use opera full-time. It just doesn't have the plugin support of firefox.

Colonel Kilkenny
February 22nd, 2007, 09:13 PM
I used opera for a while over a year ago.

I'd like to try it again, but before I pull my hair out, does anyone have mplayer and realplayer plugins working for streaming videos? I don't want to go down the road of trying to get these working if it's just a pipe dream.
Use mozplugger instead of mplayerplugin.

And the Minimo-project is quite dead. It may start over again but I wouldn't count on it.

Arup
February 26th, 2007, 02:24 PM
Dude. Cheers for this. Have just upgraded :)

You are welcome and if you want to use Java 6 use this method described here instead of repositories,

http://phossal.com/thread?view=702216931

SSamiK
February 26th, 2007, 03:05 PM
I'd like to try it again, but before I pull my hair out, does anyone have mplayer and realplayer plugins working for streaming videos? I don't want to go down the road of trying to get these working if it's just a pipe dream.

It's a good guide in these forums on how to get mplayerplug-in working in Opera, witch have been the plugin causing me most trouble. Guide located HERE (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185547) still works with Opera 7.20 Build 557.
Other plugins generally works great IMO (and installation are coverd in Opera Knowledgebase) exept Flash 9 witch still crashes quite often but it's still usable.

Arup
February 27th, 2007, 05:34 AM
VLC plugin works fine with my Opera, as for Opera versus Mozilla plugins, Opera has most of the features that Mozilla does via plug ins, some are little hard to find admittedly but they are there and Opera's super fast smooth load and speed makes it a keeper for sure.

izanbardprince
February 27th, 2007, 05:49 AM
Why I don't like Opera:

No Adblock Plus
Not free software
No proper support for 64-bit Linux, can be made to install and run with ia32-libs and force architecture, but still doesn't work right
It's built with QT, nuff said

pebo
February 27th, 2007, 06:15 AM
Thinkpad 600, PII 300, 128 MB, dapper server install + icewm, runs like a dream - mail too :)

EmilyRose
February 27th, 2007, 08:02 AM
What adblock software doesn't opera have? I block ads all the time - basicly anytime I see one I goto 'block content' click on the offending ad and am done! It works like a charm and I for one couldn't be happier!

Erunno
February 27th, 2007, 01:35 PM
It's built with QT, nuff said

From 9.x on Opera uses an in-house toolkit called Swift. Apart from the typical problems with portablility (and idiology, of course) I can't also see the problem with Opera being closed source software. It's regarded as one of the most secure browser on the market and has been never involved in shady dealings.

shrimphead
February 27th, 2007, 01:58 PM
I took the time to install Opera today at work, based on a recommendation from a friend who's been using it for years, and I must say I'm very impressed. I'll be installing it on my Ubuntu box when I get home. it feels much snappier than firefox and I like the configurability of it.

takes a bit of getting used to compared to FF but (so far) has been well worth it

Colonel Kilkenny
February 27th, 2007, 03:23 PM
Btw. Somebody mentioned at my.opera.com that xineplugin has been rewritten and it should work with Opera. I tried it (compiled myself for 64-bit) but wasn't able to test it much because I'm having problems with wmv and stuff. But it looked very promising, it loaded working gui at least.

TheRingmaster
February 27th, 2007, 03:47 PM
What adblock software doesn't opera have? I block ads all the time - basicly anytime I see one I goto 'block content' click on the offending ad and am done! It works like a charm and I for one couldn't be happier!
I hear ya, but you have to keep doing that for every page you go to. I wish there was a way to put a filter list (like easy list or dutchblock) in there. Opera would be near perfect then.

TheRingmaster
February 27th, 2007, 03:55 PM
From 9.x on Opera uses an in-house toolkit called Swift. Apart from the typical problems with portablility (and idiology, of course) I can't also see the problem with Opera being closed source software. It's regarded as one of the most secure browser on the market and has been never involved in shady dealings.
9.10 still depends on libqt3-mt. Maybe that will be replaced for 9.20

Erunno
February 27th, 2007, 05:06 PM
Minor correction: The Opera toolkit is called "Quick", not "Swift".

An Opera developer wrote (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=150913)


An internal GUI toolkit which makes it faster and easier to keep the same UI on multiple platforms. This toolkit, called "Quick", has replaced Qt on Unix (with the exception of system dialogs, etc.).

I'm actually not sure which system dialogues he refers to.

ubuntwerreulover0.023.231
February 27th, 2007, 06:06 PM
opera is the best

kimara
February 27th, 2007, 06:15 PM
I have used opera since 3.x but few days ago I switced to Epiphany cause I wanted to have GTK browser..

zubrug
February 27th, 2007, 06:38 PM
Loved firefox when I dual booted some years back, tried opera on linspire ( cnr installed it with everything working ), finally switched to ubuntu, then xubuntu, spent hours getting opera to work back in the breezy day's, well worth it.
Now it's a breeze to install, it's all we use.
Have to dpkg 9.20, yummy!

Colonel Kilkenny
February 27th, 2007, 08:20 PM
Minor correction: The Opera toolkit is called "Quick", not "Swift".
I'm actually not sure which system dialogues he refers to.

I'm at the moment on Windows but if I remember correctly the print, save, open-dialogs are at least build with qt. And the main menu is also build with Qt.

venik212
March 1st, 2007, 03:05 PM
I use Opera for two main reasons:
1) That little wand that remembers all my passwords
2) The ability to quickly zoom a web site (not just enlarge the text).
Sadly, by sticking to the standards, Opera is not compatible with many web sites that violate the standards. Therefore, I always have some other browser around, and will not dream of making it my default browser.

Princey
March 3rd, 2007, 05:00 AM
I've used Opera since version 5 and has been my default browser both on Windows and Linux. I can't do without the wand, saved sessions, restore last session and the list goes on. Opera is by far one of the most secure browsers out there, check secuna if you doubt that. It's faster than any browser I've used, more customisable than any other. Some of the features implemented in the newer models of browsers were first brought about by Opera. I recommend it to everyone I come in contact with and I install it as the default on ANY machine that comes to my shop for repairs.

ramjet_1953
March 4th, 2007, 07:35 AM
I just found a useful add-on in the Opera Wiki.

It is another toolbar item that allows you to view wand passwords.

It was really handy recently, when I forgot a password.
All you do is click on the extra icon and the wand passwrd is displayed.

Regards,
Roger 8)

Princey
March 4th, 2007, 05:21 PM
I just found a useful add-on in the Opera Wiki.

It is another toolbar item that allows you to view wand passwords.

It was really handy recently, when I forgot a password.
All you do is click on the extra icon and the wand passwrd is displayed.

Regards,
Roger 8)

Aren't you going to share the good info with us by telling us what plugin or even linking to it?:popcorn: :guitar:

adas
March 4th, 2007, 05:27 PM
Aren't you going to share the good info with us by telling us what plugin or even linking to it?:popcorn: :guitar:
Probably this: http://operawiki.info/WebDevToolbar

or: http://operawiki.info/CustomButtons or http://operawiki.info/BookMarklets

RAV TUX
March 5th, 2007, 02:26 AM
anybody know of a Firefox extension that mimics the Opera wand?

fuscia
March 5th, 2007, 02:49 AM
anybody know of a Firefox extension that mimics the Opera wand?

what a great feature. i also like how you can add any search to the search window on the toolbar, including the search from this forum.

Bloch
March 5th, 2007, 02:58 AM
Tried it.

Installed mozplugger which caused my Firefox (Swiftfox version) to crash when I loaded pdf files on the web. I kinda guessed something might go wrong, because mozplugger warned me it would uninstall acroread.

So I uninstalled mozplugger, but opera contiunued to crash unexpectedly (I mean Firefox crashes when I click to view streaming media it can't handle, but at least I can see that coming)

Opera works great for browsing, but for the general user who feels Firefox is a bit slow, I'd recommend trying Swiftfox. You get a speed boost from Firefox, plus your plugins will work.

Just thought I'd add my experience to an Opera-lauding thread. :-) :)

rayofash
March 5th, 2007, 03:42 AM
What part of Opera isn't free?

http://www.opera.com/

It says right there: 'Absolutely free!'

Or when people say 'free', do they mean 'open source'?

Frak
March 5th, 2007, 04:19 AM
What part of Opera isn't free?

http://www.opera.com/

It says right there: 'Absolutely free!'

Or when people say 'free', do they mean 'open source'?
Open Source, we mean free as in freedom, not free as in "free beer".
In my case, I don't care if its proprietary as long as its good and is being kept up nicely, Opera is OK as it is!

tbodine
March 5th, 2007, 04:28 AM
Nop, I use Firefox because I prefer free software.
I have, however, used Opera before.

Coop
March 5th, 2007, 11:29 AM
Hi
I use Opera 9.10.I'm writing this post from Opera 9.10 right now.

Princey
March 5th, 2007, 02:49 PM
Probably this: http://operawiki.info/WebDevToolbar

or: http://operawiki.info/CustomButtons or http://operawiki.info/BookMarklets

I checked out those links but none of them add up to what was advertised by the poster.

fuscia
March 7th, 2007, 07:22 PM
i just realized i can right-click and scroll through the tabs.

Lod
March 20th, 2007, 07:33 AM
anybody know of a Firefox extension that mimics the Opera wand?I fail to see the difference between the Opera wand and the Firefox password manager? :-?
I like Opera, it feels more professional compared to Firefox which is somehow getting less appealing to me with every update. I love the concept of the mail client, although there should be done a lot to make it more usable. But as long as I can't get streaming video to work in Ubuntu :( I don't use it there.

As for the free software discussion. I don't care if it is free beer or free speech. I want (for all my computer tasks) the program best suitable for my needs and my liking. I don't mind paying for a good program (in fact I bought an Opera license a few years ago when it wasn't free beer yet). If it is to expensive I use the less legal versions. I don't feel comfortable with that however so I always keep an eye on possible replacements. One of the reasons why I started to use Linux at home.

lalakis85
March 20th, 2007, 07:49 AM
Opera 9.10 + Firefox 2.0.0.2. Perfect combo for my browsing needs

RAV TUX
March 20th, 2007, 11:51 AM
i just realized i can right-click and scroll through the tabs.now thats cool

AClark
March 20th, 2007, 07:12 PM
Opera

AClark
March 20th, 2007, 07:34 PM
I discovered Opera back around V3 or possibly before. I was looking for an alternative browser to use with OS/2 Merlin. I was happy to pay for it back then and have been using it off and on ever since.

I think Opera has benefitted from the popularity of FireFox as more webmasters are more careful about adhering to standards now. Since we have been able to right click and edit site preferences I almost never come across a site I can't "fix". Even those that pop up a messsage telling me the sight won't work using my browser can almost always be tweaked to work for me.

I think Opera is more likely to appeal to a power user since a lot of the potential is not obvious but not too hard to find if you are willing to look or ask.

Every new major version has been a significant improvement for me and I have been using Opera pretty much exclusively since V9 on both Linux and Windows.

Colonel Kilkenny
March 20th, 2007, 07:35 PM
i just realized i can right-click and scroll through the tabs.

From opera:config you can change it to have also thumbnails of the current page.

fuscia
March 20th, 2007, 07:37 PM
From opera:config you can change it to have also thumbnails of the current page.

you mean there's an 'opera:config' too???

Colonel Kilkenny
March 20th, 2007, 07:40 PM
you mean there's an 'opera:config' too???

Yep.
opera:config#UserPrefs|UseThumbnailsinWindowCycle is the address for that setting. It's easy to find with the find-function which is integrated to opera:config

trash
March 21st, 2007, 05:01 AM
I fail to see the difference between the Opera wand and the Firefox password manager? :-?

i have multiple gmail, yahoo and isp email accounts and i find that opera's wand handles them much better.

Spr0k3t
March 21st, 2007, 05:47 AM
Did they finally do a 64bit version?

Colonel Kilkenny
March 21st, 2007, 09:30 AM
Did they finally do a 64bit version?

Nope, they have internal builds which are 64-bit and running just fine but apparently they haven't focused much on 64-bit versions. Which isn't surprising because the 32-bit builds work just fine on every platform (flash etc. are also working without any fuss).
But if I'd have to to guess, I'd say that they are starting to release 64-bit versions during 2007.

Marsolin
June 13th, 2007, 01:11 AM
VLC plugin works fine with my Opera, as for Opera versus Mozilla plugins, Opera has most of the features that Mozilla does via plug ins, some are little hard to find admittedly but they are there and Opera's super fast smooth load and speed makes it a keeper for sure.

The VLC plug-in isn't working for me. I'm running Opera 9.21 in Kubuntu Feisty. I even asked Opera to search for new plug-ins and it didn't find any. Do you have any ideas? The plug-in is working with Firefox.

wolfen69
June 13th, 2007, 02:00 AM
i'm on 9.21, and couldn't be happier. mouse gestures is a godsend. once you get used to it, nothing else will do. speed dial is awesome too. it works perfect on 98% of webpages, and for the other 2% i use firefox.

samjh
June 13th, 2007, 02:27 AM
I've just started using Opera 9.21 after reading this thread.

What a great browser! Definitely a must-try. I think I'll stick to Opera for a while, it's so good. :)

kuja
June 13th, 2007, 06:21 AM
The VLC plug-in isn't working for me. I'm running Opera 9.21 in Kubuntu Feisty. I even asked Opera to search for new plug-ins and it didn't find any. Do you have any ideas? The plug-in is working with Firefox.

By default opera will only look in /usr/lib/opera/plugins - so make sure that you either have a copy or symbolic link to the plugin there, or that you add the mozilla plugin directory to its search list, otherwise it's no wonder it won't find it. If you already have ... then I'm out of ideas, but I figure mentioning this would be a good start.

h377r1d3r
June 17th, 2007, 05:29 PM
I wish i could use it but it is simply slow; when rendering page CPU usage spikes to 70%, the same when scrolling through page; I have been using Opera on windows, and there isn't any better browser for windows, leaves all others in the shame :)

I figured out that Firefox handles itself better than Opera under Ubuntu, at least page scrolling does not chew up CPU, besides Firefox is o/s :)

So 0 for Opera and 1 for Firefox :) Yey

http://www.varlogarthas.net/images/get-firefox.jpg

Hehe :p

Princey
June 17th, 2007, 05:37 PM
I wish i could use it but it is simply slow; when rendering page CPU usage spikes to 70%, the same when scrolling through page; I have been using Opera on windows, and there isn't any better browser for windows, leaves all others in the shame :)

I figured out that Firefox handles itself better than Opera under Ubuntu, at least page scrolling does not chew up CPU, besides Firefox is o/s :)

So 0 for Opera and 1 for Firefox :) Yey

Hehe :p

I don't see that happening at all here. There's very little CPU activity going on for Opera here. 0% here with three tabs opened.

Afoot
June 17th, 2007, 05:46 PM
Opera isn't free, so I don't see why I should switch from Firefox... Hell, that's the main reason why I walked away from Windows in the first place.

Anyway I kinda like Opera as a browser, but IMO Firefox is just the better choice for me. It looks nicer with GTK and it's got way better (and more) extensions.

Warpnow
June 17th, 2007, 06:07 PM
Errr..Opera IS free...its been free for a while now...its just not open source...


I use it. Its just a higher quality product than what you find with most browsers. That's understandible given that it used to cost money.

h377r1d3r
June 17th, 2007, 06:38 PM
Opera is free and almost was an Open Source...

Princey Mmm... taught so, i didn't expect Opera to suck so badly, i think it may have to do with my graphics card.

Warpnow
June 17th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Yeah, I've also never had cpu to be a problem with opera. I do dislike memory usage, but it uses relatively little. I've had opera running for 3 days in alot of use and it JUST broke 100 megs... *shrug*

starcraft.man
June 17th, 2007, 06:51 PM
Errr..Opera IS free...its been free for a while now...its just not open source...


I use it. Its just a higher quality product than what you find with most browsers. That's understandible given that it used to cost money.

I don't see where you come to think "higher quality" is in opera. I'll give you, people say it does run faster (i saw little difference on my computer), and I will give you firefox has a mem leak. I don't see any quality difference though, opera has a lot of integrated features. Every one has an equivalent/different/superior extension in firefox. I've yet to see any difference except for the speed and integration (which IMO integrating things isn't always good, look at how bloated Nero 7 got doing that, I prefer to choose the ones I want).

I find it very puzzling how easily so many of the Ubuntu/Linux users around here use Opera. It seems to me the ethos of Linux/open source was to try your best to use and support FLOSS products when you can, and use proprietary only when no other option exists(like nvidia drivers, rendering is an essential service to some), thats my reasoning and rule to live by at least. No one can say there aren't any alternatives on Ubuntu, there are tonnes of browsers from Firefox to epiphany to konqueror... and there isn't anything they don't do that opera does.

So I'm sticking to firefox.

h377r1d3r
June 17th, 2007, 06:59 PM
starcraft.man (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=250927) now u reminded me... Firefox has indeed superior Add-Ons, for example Add-Block Plus (i have been using Opera always so u can't tell me im wrong) in Opera add-blocking works, but editing rules is erm... not so user friendly and you can't block flash neither java, when i saw this ability in Firefox i was de-jawed (had my jaw on the floor) the same goes for other things here and there. I think Firefox is better, sorry :p

dizee
June 17th, 2007, 07:32 PM
Opera is indeed an excellent browser, it has many features straight off that need to be added as extensions in Firefox. Some of these, like mouse gestures, just work way better than in Firefox. Of course it is not FLOSS, it's a pity, but I'm fairly pragmatic about that. It's a better browser in my opinion so I use it.

By the way disabling Javascript is as simple as Tools>Quick Preferences> untick Enable Javascript.

Princey
June 17th, 2007, 07:46 PM
It's kinda funny how many of us rave and rate and well, become activists and zealots. I'm not pushing any browser over each other as all have their strengths and weaknesses. Some support Firefox and firefox only, hats off to them. However, I don't think it's grounds enough for those of us who've decided to spread our tastes be looked down upon and even insulted. I use Opera, it's my choice. It has all the functionality in it that I need. Firefox has burrowed a lot of features from Opera, should I use it? Well, yes and no. I use it only when a page can't be rendered properly, which is entirely not Opera's fault.

We also need to note that Opera has wholesomely supported Linux over the years and I'm subject to correction here, but the first Windows browser to be ported to Linux.

h377r1d3r
June 17th, 2007, 07:54 PM
By the way disabling Javascript is as simple as Tools>Quick Preferences> untick Enable Javascript.

That disables javascript and not a particular add, doesn't it?
:biggrin: HAHA :biggrin:

@Princey mmm... i guess ur right. afaik there is or was some collaboration opera-firefox :)

Maupertus
June 17th, 2007, 08:27 PM
I actualy use Opera as my only browser, and have been using opera as my only browser since it's version 4.wossname and am very happy with version 9.21

Speeddial is great, everything that people say about Mozilla has been true for Opera since it's inception and well, I can go on for ages why Opera is much better then any other browser out there.

Although, I do have the idea that the latest version are having a bit of trouble with Java.

But it still is the best.

starcraft.man
June 17th, 2007, 08:37 PM
By the way disabling Javascript is as simple as Tools>Quick Preferences> untick Enable Javascript.

That solution disables all javascript which will cripple your browsing experience on sites that need it, especially on common/popular sites like youtube. I just checked in my XP VM. Thus you'd have to enable and disable as you go from site to site.

You should have a look at no script (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722) and how they implemented security. Not only is it a complete snap to filtering solution for actively blocking all javascript unless authorized (only set it once for a site), but it also guards against more heinous cross site scripting exploits (XSS) like those on banking sites. One of the many powerful extensions in Firefox. Thats one solution clearly inferior as far as I can see.

Anyway, there probably isn't any point to me posting further in this thread. I'm sticking with what I know is best for me (your mileage may differ) and of course which is FLOSS, I always try my best to support those products (even if minor inconveniences occur). I think (and you may not) anything less than my fullest effort supporting FLOSS isn't being in the spirit of me deciding to use Ubuntu, I would have stuck with Windows if I wanted to only use a hand full of open source apps and the rest proprietary.

Warpnow
June 18th, 2007, 11:11 AM
I use the best software whether its floss or not. I mean, I really don't give a ****. Being floss doesn't make it naturally better, it just means it can be improved more easily.

I use ubuntu (not atm, need msoffice for my pc class, but will be using it again is 3 weeks) because its better software. Its more stable, it allows me modify my programs, it has a much more friendly support base, its free. If it were closed source I'd still be using it.

Floss is usually better...but Gimp can't compare to photoshop. There's no program that can compete with Avid, for instance. I use what's best, whether its open source or not. I like open source, and it has an advantage, but if, even with that advantage, the product is worse, I won't use it.

Opera is just a smooth internet experience. There are all sorts of neat features that just make it nicer to use. Mem/Cpu/Speed are secondary in my opinion. I used firefox back when it was relatively new and I thought it was pretty good, but I still liked opera better.It just feels better. The interface is more impressive.

davesmith
June 18th, 2007, 04:36 PM
I've been using opera 9.10 for a couple of weeks now, I like it because its very fast indeed, especially downloads from astronomy sites like Hubble that have a lot of bandwidth. It is very stable, integrates well with Feisty and uses very little memory compared to other browsers.

The only gripe i have is that it will not let me copy and paste a different filename into the "save as" dialogue box when i'm downloading an image. This is a bit restricting, maybe the opera developers will make some changes in this area for the next update.

krul
June 18th, 2007, 07:50 PM
I've used Opera for a very long time, first on Windows, now on Linux already for quit a while. But it is a shame that some websites are not 100% working, at least do not have the full load of features.
Under linux I've more troubles with all kind of plugins than with Firefox. So on Linux I rarely use Opera, most of the time Firefox because of the better support of some specific sites and plugins.
I love Opera, but uses Firefox....isn't it a bit ironic?

Princey
June 20th, 2007, 12:02 AM
I've been using opera 9.10 for a couple of weeks now, I like it because its very fast indeed, especially downloads from astronomy sites like Hubble that have a lot of bandwidth. It is very stable, integrates well with Feisty and uses very little memory compared to other browsers.

The only gripe i have is that it will not let me copy and paste a different filename into the "save as" dialogue box when i'm downloading an image. This is a bit restricting, maybe the opera developers will make some changes in this area for the next update.

Works fine for me. But then again, I'm a keyboard junkie when it comes to shortcuts. I use CTRL + C to copy, CTRL + V to paste into the save as dialogue box.

Steve_Barker
June 20th, 2007, 04:39 PM
Have used Opera since version 5, I would not use anything else - it was my first experiance of something beyond Microsoft. I lost it with Microsoft with DOS 6 upgrade.

I have an old machine that has had Fedora on it for a couple of years, and had SuSe on it for a few weeks before that. This new machine - less than a day old has Umbuntu and Opera 9.21. I'm just setting up the new machine, Opera was the first program I have added to it.