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SunnyRabbiera
December 31st, 2006, 11:24 PM
Alright let me get this off my chest: I think Open Office SUCKS.
Why?
Because its a pain in the neck to get new versions of it, first you have to recompile debs out of like a million RPMS, then when you do install the new version it messes up your system....
I mainly use Abi word as my word processor as Open office obviously doesnt give a crap about linux, they want us to compile a bazillion RPMs even if we dont have an RPM based distro...

Its either that or we over run the open office boards and request forums for better support for non RPM distros, but I personally want to boycot open office till it realises it needs better support for non RPM distros.

bruenig
December 31st, 2006, 11:49 PM
I agree. It is a pain, it is slow and bloated and really doesn't offer much more functionality than abiword.

DC@DR
January 1st, 2007, 12:28 AM
But the thing is, what else we would use for everyday office stuff if it's not OO? Btw, I hate OO too.

plb
January 1st, 2007, 12:32 AM
But the thing is, what else we would use for everyday office stuff if it's not OO? Btw, I hate OO too.

Exactly, and Abiword isn't a replacement for a whole suite. If you don't like something about OO...bring it up to the OO devs or well you could always fix it yourself :-D

meng
January 1st, 2007, 12:34 AM
Well, it's not a real dependency (yes, the ubuntu-desktop metapackage will have it listed as a dependency, but we all know that means nothing), I would instead say that it is a default application. And if you don't like the default application, then don't use it or even go ahead and uninstall it. I would make the same complaint about rhythmbox - bloated and useless (to me, not to everyone else).

RAV TUX
January 1st, 2007, 12:35 AM
interesting perspective...I agree OOo is bloated and thus ineffective,....I simple don't use it...I prefer Kword.

The KOffice Project - KWord (http://www.koffice.org/kword/)

hoagie
January 1st, 2007, 12:37 AM
I totally agree with you.

Remember open office is not just a word processor it's a spreadsheet, presentation and a database ... a complete suite. Even though it's buggy, I mean in the database app you can't even complete a form because the wizzard is buggy and it won't finish the job. So if we want the world to adopt ubuntu for their business's we should leave aside the whole windows suck blablabla and get the damn thing working first.
I use ubuntu as my main and only os and I am a supporter, but I can't say to my school principal to switch to ubuntu since he needs an Acces like application that works!

RAV TUX
January 1st, 2007, 12:48 AM
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bruenig
January 1st, 2007, 12:54 AM
Exactly, and Abiword isn't a replacement for a whole suite. If you don't like something about OO...bring it up to the OO devs or well you could always fix it yourself :-D

Gnumeric for spreadsheets. I don't recall everything OO does, but I know those are the big two.

meng
January 1st, 2007, 12:56 AM
Gnumeric for spreadsheets. I don't recall everything OO does, but I know those are the big two.
Enough for most users. And serious database designers won't bother with either Access or Base (warning: statement designed to provoke!)

plb
January 1st, 2007, 01:03 AM
Well I _hear_ OO.org 2.1 got a big speed boost. Edgy currently has 2.04.

RAV TUX
January 1st, 2007, 01:04 AM
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Dr. C
January 1st, 2007, 01:12 AM
They all have thier strenghts, AbiWord is definatly fast but it is not as full featured as Open Office Writer. Koffice is strong in different format filters that either OO or Abiword. I actually find both OO Writer and AbiWord very useful depending on the situation and I am actually going to take a look at Koffice also.

Dumping OO from Ubuntu I disagree entirely.

ComplexNumber
January 1st, 2007, 01:19 AM
i don't have a problem with open office. i think its good. the equivalents are slightly better than gnumeric and abiword. as for koffice,.....well, thats just a joke (as the recent review of koffice 1.6 in Linux Format magazine accurately reflects).

SunnyRabbiera
January 1st, 2007, 01:28 AM
Yeh but Koffice doesnt depend on 6.5 million RPMS by default.

ComplexNumber
January 1st, 2007, 01:29 AM
Yeh but Koffice doesnt depend on 6.5 million RPMS by default.
again, it doesn't bother me because i tend to use rpm distros anyway. and i don't know where the 6.5 million rpms comes into it.

banjobacon
January 1st, 2007, 02:05 AM
Why are you bringing RPMs into the arguement at all? It's Ubuntu's responsibility to create installation files for the distribution. OpenOffice 2.1 for Ubuntu will probably be in the next version of Ubuntu, not Edgy. This is the way it is for all applications in Ubuntu, new versions of applications are generally not backported into the current stable version of Ubuntu. It's may be annoying, but it's no reason for you to get upset at OpenOffice developers.

RAV TUX
January 1st, 2007, 02:47 AM
i don't have a problem with open office. i think its good. the equivalents are slightly better than gnumeric and abiword. as for koffice,.....well, thats just a joke (as the recent review of koffice 1.6 in Linux Format magazine accurately reflects).

I never read reviews on such things I prefer to make up my own mind based on experience....

Kword & Koffice are far superior to OOo or any other office program, IMHO.


Koffice is the most comprehensive office suite in existence.

plb
January 1st, 2007, 02:51 AM
Koffice uses QT though...don't expect a QT app to be default on a GTK+ desktop.

qamelian
January 1st, 2007, 03:03 AM
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I suggest you just start using Kword and Koffice suite applications.

Can't do it. When compatibility with MS Office counts, OOo still blows Koffice out of the water. I test every release of KOffice against the most current release of OOo for compatibility with commonly used documents at my office. OOo has been able to deal with all except one satisfactorily. KOffice generally is only satisfactory for about 45-60%.

That said, if MS Office compatibility is not an issue, KOffice is a great suite and its integration with KDE makes it incredibly powerful.

ComplexNumber
January 1st, 2007, 03:08 AM
Kword & Koffice are far superior to OOo or any other office program, IMHO.we'll have to agree to disagree then. although i dislike microsoft and having to use their format, i do have to occassionally use .doc format. in addition, unless someones only priority is to have a fast loading application, koffice equivelents can't hold a candle to their open office equivelents.

Burgresso
January 2nd, 2007, 03:51 AM
I agree. I don't think OO should be a dependency. I just...don't like it; it DOES seem bloated. I love abiword.

banjobacon
January 2nd, 2007, 03:55 AM
I like Abiword, too, but don't think it should be default until it works well with OpenDocument files. Has that happened yet? It didn't work too well last time I tried.

bruenig
January 2nd, 2007, 05:23 AM
I like Abiword, too, but don't think it should be default until it works well with OpenDocument files. Has that happened yet? It didn't work too well last time I tried.

It works ok. It has a problem with spacing still. When I open a double spaced .odt in it, it makes it single spaced. It seems odd that if odt is an open format that they couldn't have flawless compatibility.

ihatethedekoys
January 2nd, 2007, 05:29 AM
ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage that can be removed without harming anything.

You can remove the OO suite and it won't affect your system.