Re: Bi xêr hatin - Welcome

[rojanu]

Hi everyone!

My Kurdish needs lots of improvment. I am a Gentoo user but I will glad to be helpfull to any of you guys

[erdalronahi]

Hi, glad to hear that. We are always in need of help from Linux lovers. What would you like to do?

[rojanu]

Sorry to be confusing hewal Erdal, I am Ali from London,
Can help with any linux related question (of course, if I know HOW).

[erdalronahi]

That's fine. If you can do so in Kurdish, please have a look at http://pckurd.net. If you could help us translate into Kurdish, that would be even better.

[medya]

zor sipas for this forum ! I hope u be succesfull

[selfishswordfish]

i already saw this site and i m glad to see this site .. thanks for everyone... i computer angeener and i will try to help everyone how need help... be carefull

[Kizilbas]

You have a wonderful signature medya



in Turkey kurdish is forbiden,so microsoft never makes a kurdish support for windows or they would loose Turkey's market but Ubuntu supports kurdish & it doenst give a damn about fashists governemnts ,because it is not for market it is for human.


I think some people should start to learn being human beings and stop their so called patriotic behaviour which is actually fascism.

[ZuLuuuuuu]

Hi,

Please don't fill this forum with lies. Kurdish is not forbidden in Turkey. In Turkey, Kurdish people have all the rights what Turkish people have. The reason Microsoft does not make a Kurdish version of Windows may just be that there is not enough demand for it.

[erdalronahi]

In Turkey, Kurdish people have all the rights what Turkish people have.
Exept maybe the right for education in their mother language, full television broadcasts in their mother language and some other not so unimportant stuff.

Do you even know that there are criminal prosecutions going on because of our translation of Ubuntu into Kurdish?

[ZuLuuuuuu]

You can open private courses in Kurdish language. But the official language is of course Turkish like the official language in France is French or the official language in Germany is German. May I go to the France and just say: "I want education in Turkish!"? Of course not...

There is no criminal prosecutions about Kurdish Ubuntu. You can only fool the people who don't know Turkish by giving that newspaper links. In that links it says the prosecution is about a mayor who insists to have the Kurdish Ubuntu installed on all the computers in their building where the workers are Turkish. So the investigation is about that mayor not about the Kurdish Ubuntu...

I get very sad when I saw people like you. I have Kurdish friends and even Kurdish relatives. Although there are people like you who are trying to disturb the friendship between Turkish and Kurdish people they will remain our friends forever...

[erdalronahi]

May I go to the France and just say: "I want education in Turkish!"? Of course not...

Of course you can. There are dozens of Turkish courses at French schools and hundreds of them in Germany. In public schools, not private courses.


There is no criminal prosecutions about Kurdish Ubuntu. You can only fool the people who don't know Turkish by giving that newspaper links. In that links it says the prosecution is about a mayor who insists to have the Kurdish Ubuntu installed on all the computers in their building where the workers are Turkish. So the investigation is about that mayor not about the Kurdish Ubuntu...

I know quite well what the investigation is about and I know quite well the mentality behind it. Turkish workers in the Diyarbakir Sur Belediyesi? Don't make me laugh...

[ZuLuuuuuu]

I know quite well what the investigation is about and I know quite well the mentality behind it.
Of course you know. I didn't claim you don't know what the investigation is all about but you, intentionally, try to mislead people on this forum by saying that the investigation is about Kurdish Ubuntu.


Turkish workers in the Diyarbakir Sur Belediyesi? Don't make me laugh...
Heh, you also claim that Diyarbakir is a city of Kurdistan, a country which does not even exist? I don't have any word for you anymore and leave you with your dreams. Your dreams and politics does not interest me.

[erdalronahi]

Heh, you also claim that Diyarbakir is a city of Kurdistan, a country which does not even exist?

What does the ethnic origin of workers have to do with state borders? I suggest you visit Diyarbakir and count the number of Turkish workers a the municipality. I wonder if you will find any.

[medya]

hey you said Microsfot doesnt make it because there is no demand for it ? I think you dont read news sites.
Microsoft had made Kurdish defenition in its enclopyda, and did you know what happend next ?
Turkish plice invaded microsoft building in turkey and banned the company in turkey (this happend in the year 2000) and later microsoft appolgozied and detled kurdish word in thier softwares.

thats an obvious thing that Turkish gov is fashist about Kurdish language, they tried to sue ubuntu !
but they can do nothing because it is open source , and nobody cares if turkey doesnt let they SELL in turkey ,because actualy ubuntu is free !

[23meg]

Microsoft had made Kurdish defenition in its enclopyda, and did you know what happend next ?
Turkish plice invaded microsoft building in turkey and banned the company in turkey (this happend in the year 2000) and later microsoft appolgozied and detled kurdish word in thier softwares.

Do you have a link to a news article or other resource where this is reported?

[jseiser]

not trying to start anything, but i thought most developed countries offered state sponsored native language education and TV. I know from what ive read and seen, not saying im an expert but Turkey seems to oppress their albanian and kurdish citizens. Not that we are any better here, just doesnt make it right :/

[FaTiH89]

problem is that kurdish is NOT an official language in TURKEY..and Ubuntu can't publish kurdish as a Turkey's official language...if they want it so much they must publish kurdish under the other languages list or in IRAQ's list..So Lot's of Turkish ubuntu users got mad about this issue...

And KurdishLoco team..i read your messages and stop slandering Turkey with your lies..NOBODY say nothing to your workings...But as i am saying again Kurdish is NOT an offical language in Turkey AND CANNOT be official anytime...and even you dont have a keybord layout for your language...

[canceLinux]

really, it is some politic.. there's only troubles in this topic about that. sure you should localizate system to your language but, doesn't kurdish come from arabic languages family?
O:)

[canceLinux]

sorry for second message but when we start to talk about this, you say us "fashist!!"..

don't you?

(you, us.. we are people first but..)

[erdalronahi]

Sure you should localizate system to your language but, doesn't kurdish come from arabic languages family?
O:)
No, Kurdish belongs to the Indo-European language family. That means, it is closer to English than to Turkish or Arabic in grammar and morphology. If you like, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_language

[erdalronahi]

Ubuntu can't publish kurdish as a Turkey's official language.
Ubuntu does not say something like this. Probably you are talking about the keyboard selector. The Kurdish Q and F keyboards are based on the Turkish Q and F keyboard and used mostly in Turkey, so it makes perfect sense to have it in the list under "Turkey". This does not have any political implications and is not even about language, but about Keyboard layouts.

..But as i am saying again Kurdish is NOT an offical language in Turkey AND CANNOT be official anytime...and even you dont have a keybord layout for your language.
Obviously we have a keyboard layout, that's why you can select it from that list. Concerning the political issue you bring up here, laws can and do change. That's normal in democracies. You should never say never...

[canceLinux]

No, Kurdish belongs to the Indo-European language family. That means, it is closer to English than to Turkish or Arabic in grammar and morphology. If you like, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_language

so, your place is kurdistan (writing in this forum topic) why you don't open a new line different of turkey?

don't understand me wrongly but i've seen this links now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Kurdistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Kurdistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan

i wanna ask one thing only: why Turkey? you've already regions, (and already a full-featured state)

i am so sorry if i just get over my limit if this meant like a politic question :neutral:

[FaTiH89]

problem is that i didn't mean to write you political answers on a forum like this...but i ain't sure how you can manage to do.you always force someone to give you answer..strange...

First of all...While you blame us with nationalist ideas whenever you find the opportunity you do the same thing with more sharp ideas.?
Second.You always say democracy.What is democracy and why does it never serve for us? Why always is the Turkish National blamed?

as a result when a stranger reads your messages they can think more than half of the Turkey is kurdish but minority Turkish people always trying to get pressure on Kurdish.

Oke lets count people in diyarbakır..But before we start we msut check out people's race if they are realy from kurdish race ...Or if there is a race in turkey come from history called Kurdish...

so...when we think this idea over the whole Turkey there is only 4 or 5 or at most 5.5 million kurdish people.and the rest is all Turkish..and how can you still say we want our own country...

Finally there is lots of thing to say that you can never so brave to tell them all but truth is that i have been in diyarbakır in kulp and saw that TURKISH state dont do those favors for turkish national...

and i am sure these people who wrote this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Kurdistan) arent US but Kurdish people. or just your national...

[erdalronahi]

I most definitely won't discuss about what the English Wikipedia says on certain pages. I have never made any political claims in this thread. I do not force anybody to answer to anything.

This forum is to discuss the Kurdish translation of Ubuntu and the issues of the Kurdish LoCo team. Nothing else. I am also not responsibe for what other people may write who may be Kurdish or not and may be members of the Kurdish LoCo team or not.

To your question about a new line for the keyboard: It has indeed been discussed to subsum the Kurdish keyboard layouts under "Kurdish" or "Kurdistan". The reason why it was not done is that the convention of X.org is only to list sovereign states and not regions (Kurdistan) or languages (Kurdish). The only exception is Arabic and the Indic languages, if I remember correctly. So that was neither the decision of the Kurdish LoCo team nor of Ubuntu.

If you want to see this changed, please direct your proposals to the right address, it is not even an Ubuntu issue! If you like, compare to Debian, SuSE, Fedora...

[FaTiH89]

oke whatsoever ..i read all your post and previous one dont say like..just forget it.

also we did ...we sent mails about this issue to other dist.

[bgturk]

I just came accross this thread. I personally have nothing against Kurdish keyboard layout being included under the section for Turkey, as Kurds are an integral part of Turkey along with other ethnic groups. However, as we have seen in this thread many people do, and I find the exception Ubuntu is making for Kuridsh somewhat inconsistent.

For example under Bulgaria, where Turks form a substantial portion of the population, Turkish is not listed. Neither is Albanian under the section Macedonia where Albanian is actually an official language. Why is then an exception being made for Kurdish? I think it is important that Ubuntu remain consistent and list only the official languages under every country. This inconsistency can be very confusing.

Kurdish is the official languauge of Iraq, and Iraq would be the most appropriate place to list, or maybe it should have its own listing.

[erdalronahi]

What you say has some validity, however this list is not about official or unofficial languages. For instance the Kurdish-F keyboard is based on the Turkish F keyboard and does not make any sense outside of Turkey. It is only useful for people who use a F keyboard produced in Turkey or who have learned typing in Turkey.

On the other hand the Kurdish-Arabic keyboard with Arabic letters is not listed under Turkey, because it does not make sense for Kurds there. They use the Latin alphabet, which is similar to the Turkish alphabet.

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