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drucer
December 3rd, 2006, 11:46 PM
Hi, this is interesting. Is Nexenta OS using Ubuntu's software repositories?

Nexenta OS:
http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki

It sure looks like it is. This is Solaris based OS. I wonder if Mark Shuttleworth knows about this.

Polygon
December 3rd, 2006, 11:48 PM
well they could if they wanted to... i mean it is all open source...

but im sure the devs wouldnt be happy about them stealing ubuntu's repository bandwidth though.

IYY
December 3rd, 2006, 11:52 PM
This OS is almost 'Ubuntu for Sun systems', so I don't see what's wrong with it. It's not like its competing with Ubuntu.

drucer
December 3rd, 2006, 11:55 PM
This OS is almost 'Ubuntu for Sun systems', so I don't see what's wrong with it. It's not like its competing with Ubuntu.

No, it's not competing with Ubuntu, but I think it's wrong if they are using Canonical's bandwidth if Canonical and Ubuntu team does not know about it.

Not sure if they know about it. Maybe they do. Just wanted to let you guys know about this.

aysiu
December 3rd, 2006, 11:58 PM
I think Mepis also uses Ubuntu's repositories.

AndyCooll
December 4th, 2006, 12:32 AM
well they could if they wanted to... i mean it is all open source...

but im sure the devs wouldnt be happy about them stealing ubuntu's repository bandwidth though.

The happy or not factor depends on whether they are doing so with Canonicals' blessing. I believe MEPIS folk have such an ok.

:cool:

RAV TUX
December 4th, 2006, 12:38 AM
KNOPPIX 5.0.1 also includes Ubuntu repositories

Iandefor
December 4th, 2006, 12:42 AM
Nexenta is an Ubuntu-based operating system that uses the Solaris kernel. I imagine they would find it easier to use the Ubuntu repositories rather than mirror them for every single update.

Not to mention that Nexenta's userbase is probably small enough that Canonical can take the extra load without too much trouble.

NyquistLimit
December 4th, 2006, 12:50 AM
Is this even legal?

Iandefor
December 4th, 2006, 12:56 AM
Is this even legal? Why wouldn't it be? These are publicly accessible repositories.

az
December 4th, 2006, 01:50 AM
https://launchpad.net/people/nexenta

Nexenta is a Canonical-sponsored project, AFAIK.

I am not aware if Mepis uses Ubuntu binaries, or just bases their releases on Ubuntu sources.

nalmeth
December 4th, 2006, 04:11 AM
Linux Mint is using ubuntu's repos aswell, though it is directly a fork, new version containing new artwork.

deanlinkous
December 4th, 2006, 05:47 AM
OH NOOOOO.... someone is downloading something from a public server - get out! really! Call the law!

Johnsie
December 4th, 2006, 06:06 AM
I'm no expert but I dont think hotlinking is illegal. It is bad mannered though unless the company providing the bandwidth are benefitting some way :-)

Anyone who uses the same software that we use can help bug fix it and improve it.

mips
December 4th, 2006, 08:29 AM
I am not aware if Mepis uses Ubuntu binaries, or just bases their releases on Ubuntu sources.

Mepis uses the ubuntu repos.

Here is the default Mepis sources.list

# See sources.list(5) for more information

# This file should be edited through synaptic

# MEPIS improvements, overrides and updates--the MEPIS magic
deb http://apt.mepis.org/6.0/ mepis main


# Ubuntu foundation packages
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
# Security updates
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted
# Package updates
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
# Backports of newer packages--unsupported and not thoroughly tested
# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted


# Free unsupported packages from Debian and beyond
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
# Non-free unsupported packages from Debian and beyond
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse
# Backports of newer packages--unsupported and not thoroughly tested
# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports universe multiverse


# Penguin Liberation Front--some packages not available elsewhere
# deb ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free

givré
December 4th, 2006, 11:34 AM
OH NOOOOO.... someone is downloading something from a public server - get out! really! Call the law!
+1


:rolleyes:

PryGuy
December 4th, 2006, 11:51 AM
Sorry for offtopic, but what wallpaper do they have on this screenie (http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki/ScreenShots?original=nexenta-mplayer-lua-lo&action=content)? Appears to be wicked to me! ;)

deanlinkous
December 4th, 2006, 01:45 PM
I wonder how all that code gets from debian to ubuntu? Certainly they don't download it...do they?

Frak
December 4th, 2006, 01:53 PM
Some of us use Debian repos don't we? And why? Because we support the debian software, because we are a fork of Debian esseintially, and it is downloaded off of a public server for public use. So why can't OS' that are forks or developments of Ubuntu use the same software? The software that is released is basically a gift to the world, free, open source software, that they are modest enough not to charge you for! ;)

mips
December 4th, 2006, 03:31 PM
I wonder how all that code gets from debian to ubuntu? Certainly they don't download it...do they?

Why not download or mirror it ? Once they have the source they rebuild it for ubuntu, it's not really the same as debian but similair.

NyquistLimit
December 4th, 2006, 04:09 PM
Why wouldn't it be? These are publicly accessible repositories.
It's one thing for an end-user to be using the repository from the intended platform and another for a competing product to be hotlinking and potentially sapping bandwidth from another organisation without authorisation or accreditation.

deanlinkous
December 4th, 2006, 04:09 PM
Why not download or mirror it ? Once they have the source they rebuild it for ubuntu, it's not really the same as debian but similair.ahhh glad you cleared that up for me :)

deanlinkous
December 4th, 2006, 04:12 PM
It's one thing for an end-user to be using the repository from the intended platform and another for a competing product to be hotlinking and potentially sapping bandwidth from another organisation without authorisation or accreditation.

Thats right! So Ubuntu should stop pulling from debian! How dare they!

I do think it is strange that mepis would simply point to ubuntu repos instead of providing his own. But then again it is warren we are talking about!!!

mips
December 4th, 2006, 04:39 PM
It's one thing for an end-user to be using the repository from the intended platform and another for a competing product to be hotlinking and potentially sapping bandwidth from another organisation without authorisation or accreditation.

Ubuntu taking one snapshot of debian would not use nearly as much bandwidth as thousands of user.

It's a public server anyway, free for the taking and the servers/bandwidth is usually sponsored by organisations of some sort.

http://www.debian.org/mirror/official_sponsors
http://www.debian.or.jp/Sponsors.html.en

deanlinkous
December 4th, 2006, 04:41 PM
OH NOOOOO.... someone is downloading something from a public server - get out! really! Call the law!

just joking around okay

givré
December 4th, 2006, 05:05 PM
I do think it is strange that mepis would simply point to ubuntu repos instead of providing his own. But then again it is warren we are talking about!!!
I also do think that there is some agreements behind that.

NyquistLimit
December 4th, 2006, 05:15 PM
Ubuntu taking one snapshot of debian would not use nearly as much bandwidth as thousands of user.

It's a public server anyway, free for the taking and the servers/bandwidth is usually sponsored by organisations of some sort.

http://www.debian.org/mirror/official_sponsors
http://www.debian.or.jp/Sponsors.html.en
I wasn't referring to the use of the repositories as a source of data for the developers of the distro, but rather the incorporation of those repositories in the distro for their end users to download packages from. e.g. if 10,000 people started using Nexenta they would saturate the Ubuntu repos.

I've just read some more and it's apparent that Nexenta is hosting its own repositories at http://www.gnusolaris.org/archive/. They're not linking to Ubuntu repositories at all....?

-Rick-
December 4th, 2006, 07:50 PM
I doubt they would use ubuntu binaries for a Solaris system ... ;)

Anyway... http://apt.gnusolaris.org/