View Full Version : Is all this Ethical Business holding back Linux!!

November 14th, 2006, 11:13 AM
In order to appeal to new users things should be set and made as easy as possible as soon as the machine is booted.

Whats wrong in this?
What does this mean for the future of Linux?

What it means is that if more new users come on board and are happy, they tell their friends, who in turn tell their other friends. Then eventually manufacturers will start listening, and then manufacturers will start supporting & creating.

Linux has gone on waaay to long without support.

November 14th, 2006, 11:20 AM
If your point is related to the recent proprietary drivers issue, if you get manufacturers used to the idea that you're just fine with proprietary drivers, they'll never bother to open source them. Without open source drivers you're at the manufacturers' mercy when it comes to what your hardware can and can't do.

It's not about ethics but the general modus operandi of the Free software community: it's always better to have it open than closed. Whenever something is under wraps, the body keeping it under wraps can make unilateral decisions that may hurt the community in a massive scale.

November 14th, 2006, 11:20 AM
"Linux has gone on waaay to long without support."

I have NEVER had better support before! Try to get support from M$!!! Hihihi, never tried that, did ya? Last week a posted about a problem, and got an answer WITHIN 1 MINUTE!!! It does mean however, that YOU get involved in your own system! Most M$ users have been lulled into the belief that they can "work" with the "computer", until o'course the moment when windows doesn't start up anymore.... I suggest you (and all) get involved in Linux...and free yourself from M$ dictatorship...which only makes you dumber, for profit...so that's a noble goal isn't it?

greetz earthlings!

"The border between the Real and the Unreal is not fixed, but just marks the last place where rival gangs of shamans fought each other to a standstill."

-Robert Anton Wilson

November 14th, 2006, 11:21 AM
No, all this "ethical business" is what has made Linux the OS that out of the box supports most hardware. An insistance on having supportable, free drivers creates a system that has a far lower bugs per line of code count, much better security not to mention the ability to simply use your machine without setting anything up or scrambling around for drivers like on other platforms.

Do you honestly want to sell out that for support for a few wireless cards and videocards?

No we absolutely must stick to our guns here, it not only is provably the way to get the best possible and most supportable system longterm but going against it now is down right disrepectful for the vast amounts of people who came before you, you gave their time and skills to give you what you have now. Instead of whining about drivers and codecs to us, take it to your vendor. You have the power to change things, by donations, code, advocacy.. so what are you waiting for, a single mail to your vendor asking them to provide specs to the right people might not do anything but get the ball rolling, when they get 1000 each day asking for it then they will start listening. Remember you keep them in business not the other way around.

November 14th, 2006, 11:23 AM
Trouble is I do winge to vendors and nothing is ever done.

November 14th, 2006, 11:48 AM
We're doing our best as developers to impliment all the functionality in Free software that vendors have neglected to give you acess to in a propper way.

3D is getting there, wireless support moves on every day, give us time, give us money, give us your skills and we'll all be winners in the end.

Give up and beg for help from vedors that have never bothered to do the right thing, I don't think it'll get you anywhere.

When nVidia start competing against the free driver they'll consider open sourcing their own driver. same thing for ati, but we must not let them drain out pressure for free software with proritory 'it'll do's'