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amoore
October 23rd, 2006, 05:11 PM
How about a MythTV section in the Ubuntu fourms? Mythtv is a rather largly used 3rd party app in Ubuntu. Maybe the 3rd party apps section would be a good palce for it to go. Many post about MythTV are scatterd across the Ubuntu fourms and it seems like the post for mythtv get off track on a subject and just become full of other mythtv user with problems asking for help on other issues than the orginal posted problem. A scetion dedicated to mythtv in the fourms would help with this also, it would help stir better package devlopment.

Its just an Idea, maybe the mods or staff could post a poll about it and see if users want such a section.

John.Michael.Kane
October 23rd, 2006, 05:37 PM
There are already mythtv forums, and to my knowledge there's no plans to implement a mythtv section with in these forums.

amoore
October 23rd, 2006, 08:08 PM
There are already mythtv forums, and to my knowledge there's no plans to implement a mythtv section with in these forums.

yeah, I know that there is no plan to implement a mythtv section. Thats why Im suggesting that the Ubuntu forums should implement a Mythtv sub-forum.

as for "there is already mythtv forums out there. well, distro are diffrent from distro to distro and set up of mythtv differs. I would be nice to have a place just to talk about Ubuntu and Mythtv.

John.Michael.Kane
October 23rd, 2006, 08:37 PM
Your best bet is to write a how to get it approve,and maintain it completely.

As stated theres no plans now for a mythtv sub forum.

matthew
October 23rd, 2006, 09:06 PM
All of our current 3rd party forums have been started because there are people involved directly in the development of the project or the topic involved in that section on a regular basis. At the moment I don't know of anyone involved in the development of MythTV that uses Ubuntu or is a regular in these forums. If it turns out that I am wrong and we are contacted by someone in that position we would gladly entertain the idea.

As it is, the best bet would be to continue the conversation in this thread with any others who join in the discussion and are interested in figuring out how to get MythTV working well in Ubuntu.

If you get a group of people together and the group gets MythTV working well, then the next step is to write a howto and get others involved in trying it out that way.

Then, and only then, if there is sufficient interest, we would very likely consider a 3rd party forum, but it will still be a tough sell without MythTV devs involved.

lonce
October 28th, 2006, 05:40 AM
If you click on the support and community link in my sig, there is an ubuntu mythtv forums and support community setup already.

matthew
October 28th, 2006, 08:28 AM
If you click on the support and community link in my sig, there is an ubuntu mythtv forums and support community setup already.Thanks for the heads up!

amoore
October 28th, 2006, 05:41 PM
There's like only 4 or post and a dozen threds in the TVease forums. It looks as of now, the tvease forum isn't much help.

PriceChild
October 28th, 2006, 06:09 PM
I think they're only supporting their own machines and custom ubuntu/mythtv also...

John.Michael.Kane
October 28th, 2006, 06:16 PM
amoore stop complaining,and get involved then with that forum. lonce give you and open opportunity to join the forum,and make a difference. no one is going to do work for you. You see theres a lack of something fix it.

amoore Improvise, Adapt and Overcome

End of story.

amoore
October 29th, 2006, 10:58 PM
amoore stop complaining,and get involved then with that forum. lonce give you and open opportunity to join the forum,and make a difference. no one is going to do work for you. You see theres a lack of something fix it.

amoore Improvise, Adapt and Overcome

End of story.

Advice taken, when I get a complete working mythtv box I'll post about it.

cipher_nemo
October 30th, 2006, 12:05 AM
If there was a forum just for MythTV inside ubuntu forums, I may not have dumped ubuntu and went with Fedora Core.

A month or so ago, I was running into all sorts of problems with getting MythTV to work properly on ubuntu dapper. I talked with those in the irc.freenode.net community, both on #ubuntu and #mythtv channels to seek help. The ubuntu community is friendly, but where MythTV is concerned, the lack of good, updated, and complete guides is a killer, especially where the latest MythTV is concerned (ie: 0.20).

The MythTV community is comprised mostly of people running Fedora Core, and therefore the guide I found for installing it simply worked. This is Jarod's MythTV Myth(TV)ology guide.

superm1
October 30th, 2006, 08:43 AM
If there was a forum just for MythTV inside ubuntu forums, I may not have dumped ubuntu and went with Fedora Core.

A month or so ago, I was running into all sorts of problems with getting MythTV to work properly on ubuntu dapper. I talked with those in the irc.freenode.net community, both on #ubuntu and #mythtv channels to seek help. The ubuntu community is friendly, but where MythTV is concerned, the lack of good, updated, and complete guides is a killer, especially where the latest MythTV is concerned (ie: 0.20).

The MythTV community is comprised mostly of people running Fedora Core, and therefore the guide I found for installing it simply worked. This is Jarod's MythTV Myth(TV)ology guide.

I'm hoping we can change this within the next few Ubuntu releases. I'm trying to get a good guide put together to follow on the help site, and I'd eventually like to get a good live disk put together to automate most of the process.

matthew
October 30th, 2006, 11:07 PM
I have never tried to set up or use MythTV, but for those who are interested, I found this "MythTV Ubuntu Installation Guide (http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php)." It is certainly not official, but it has more in it than I've seen anywhere else...it might help you out.

superm1
October 31st, 2006, 12:16 AM
I have never tried to set up or use MythTV, but for those who are interested, I found this "MythTV Ubuntu Installation Guide (http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php)." It is certainly not official, but it has more in it than I've seen anywhere else...it might help you out.

Matthew,

for whats it worth, I'm attempting to throw together some more officialish documentation. Look at the edgy link in here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

PriceChild
October 31st, 2006, 12:24 AM
Just had a look through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV and wow it looks very good...

Last time i tried mythtv was on Dapper, got so close but then just gave up... Maybe i'll have a go some time soon...

mjezell
October 31st, 2006, 03:01 AM
While looking for support for MythTv on the fourms, I came across this -
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_Frontend#head-f45e9d3b09cfac420cb45a5d87c5ad3228204366

This community page seems to have an active group that addresses many needs of the ubuntu user with MythTv.

Regards

matthew
October 31st, 2006, 11:12 AM
Matthew,

for whats it worth, I'm attempting to throw together some more officialish documentation. Look at the edgy link in here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTVExcellent! Great idea. Thanks for contributing.

amoore
October 31st, 2006, 08:53 PM
superm1's wiki on mythtv in the ubuntu wiki is great! He has done a great job on it!!!!!

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV#head-e8488a1209f25fb40b2acd56716145fac6a8383a

cipher_nemo
November 3rd, 2006, 02:49 AM
superm1, that is a spectacular job on the wiki! Kudos for spending a lot of quality time on it. You've really helped the MythTV side of the community with this. :)

superm1
February 21st, 2007, 08:37 PM
Its been some time since this was discussed, but I think it's worth bringing up based on how edgy release and myth usage have been.

There seems to be a sufficient drive behind Ubuntu for mythv usage from what I have gauged the last few months. I have tried to keep up with myth support requests the last few months since Edgy release. It wasn't so bad at first, maybe a few a day here and there. The mailing list was a few here and there as well.

Now, its gotten to the point that I certainly can't keep up with support requests alone. I'm very glad lots of eager people stepped up to the role and are very helpful to point out the easier troubles, refer to the documentation, and ping me when its something more complicated. Its not that bad for me to search "mythtv" and get all the posts tagged mythtv, but I think it would be great for users to be able to come to Ubuntu, set up a standalone box and see a plethora of explanation in a single subforum here.

What does everyone else that has commented in this thread think now about this?

Mersault
February 21st, 2007, 09:13 PM
A MythTV section for the forums is a no brainer to me. I've been using Ubuntu as the basis for my MythTV machine for the last year, and I've been pleased with how the process gets easier and better with each release. But that doesn't mean that there aren't still questions each time, or little tips to make the process go a little smoother.

The MythTV mailing list (there are no official forums, and never will be, as is frequently pointed out on the mailing list) is high volume and Ubuntu related questions can get buried easily. Most of the problems that I tend to encounter are Ubuntu specific, and not relevant to the rest of the MythTV community. There was a particular bug in the nvidia-glx package that was causing lockups on Ubuntu systems with certain MythTV settings for instance, that was not an issue for other distributions. It took me a long time to figure out the setting that was causing the problem, and it might have gone a little quicker if I could have asked in an environment that had a better signal to noise ratio.

Ubuntu makes a great platform for MythTV, and I think the Ubuntu community should certainly support it. MythTV is improving very rapidly, and will soon be a 'killer app' for linux. It leverages a lot of cool technologies in linux, and making it all work seamlessly will help propel Ubuntu's development with respect to integrating these technologies well, and that is certainly a Good Thing (TM).

jlr4u
February 21st, 2007, 09:48 PM
I would love to see a Mythtv section in Ubuntu. Although other forms offer help with MythTV, my personal experience is that the user community of Ubuntu/MythTV are more responsive to my questions.

My vote is to please add a MythTV secition to Ubuntu!

dannyboy79
February 21st, 2007, 10:14 PM
This is an idea that should be highly considered due to Ubuntu being the top distro and mythtv being a highly sought after linux application. The only reason I came to Linux and then chose Ubuntu was because a friend told me how awesome Ubuntu was and the fact that he was able to create basically a dvr system WITH a desirable desktop linux distro. Another important thing to point out is that I own an ATI AIW 9800Pro running in WinXP Pro and had so many issues that this was another strong point for me to turn to linux due to horrible sound issues with ATI's media/tv program. I was able to get my Ubuntu server/desktop setup and learn the basics of linux (just started less than 1 year ago) in a reasonable amount of time. I could have gotten my mythtv and Ubuntu setup quicker if there was a dedicated forum section for this but I did with the help of superm1, the scattered around mythtv/Ubuntu websites. So, again, I ask that you please strongly consider this as a user request. Thank you for listening

FrankBob
February 22nd, 2007, 12:47 AM
I definitely would like to see a mythtv section in the forums. It took me hours to setup mythtv on dapper the first time. Things have improved in feisty: ivtv w/ firmware seems to work out of the box. Ubuntu-specific meta-packages for mythtv have recently appeared in feisty (ubuntu-mythtv-backend and -frontend) and simplify greatly the setup. New mythtv users will always have questions and I think a mythtv forum for Ubuntu users could help; especially as ubuntu-specific issues are likely to appear with these packages.

PS Kudos to whoever made the metapackages. They're one of the best new things in feisty IMO.

Frank

majoridiot
February 22nd, 2007, 02:55 AM
a mythtv subforum is definitely needed... even with the great ubuntu packaging and guides,
it can still be a trick to not only install, but to get full functionality out of. there are tons of nuances
to ivtv, firewire, wake/sleep, plugins, etc, etc... and it would be awesome to have a subforum
dedicated to sharing mythtv-specific knowledge, tip, tricks and troubleshooting.

i know that i certainly would make a point of frequenting a myth subforum to help out our brethren.

plus... wouldn't it keep the general and multimedia forums from being clogged with myth-specific
questions? seems like there are more and more Qs as people catch onto ubuntu's greatness and
want to see what all of the mythtv hoopla is about!

there are TONS of dodgy wikis out there that just confuse the issue entirely- and honestly, i've
been nothing but disappointed with mythtv's own forums. we can do better!

so why not? :D

Kemotaha
February 22nd, 2007, 03:43 AM
I think that there have been some really good points that were made early on in this thread. First, we would definitely need a MythTV Dev to be a part of it which shouldn't be too hard since it seems that alot of the development is on Ubuntu ( that could be wrong, that was just my impression from mythtv's website). I think a central location for MythTv/Ubuntu problems would be good. SuperM1 has done a lot of work on getting Mythtv to work well and easily on Ubuntu. It would be nice not to flood him with emails.

majoridiot
February 22nd, 2007, 03:54 AM
I think that there have been some really good points that were made early on in this thread. First, we would definitely need a MythTV Dev to be a part of it...

why would we need a dev?

more problems are solved user-to-user in these forums than there are user-to-developer, which
is rather the point of forums, i thought. to tie the implementation of a subforum to the involvement
of a dev seems rather restrictive. i'm sure not every question can be answered by mere users,
but then such is the crapshoot of the forums to begin with.

really... would you rather have a subforum dedicated to solving your mythtv problems user-to-user
or possibly tie up a mythtv developer with noob and arcane questions, instead of letting them
develop the package we all love so?

oneiromancer
February 22nd, 2007, 04:35 AM
I'm all for it... I did manage to get it working OK with help from the forums here and there a few months back, but then changing one tuner card somehow melted down my installation and I finally nuked the whole ubuntu install, I'll probably reinstall it eventually and give mythTV another shot, but it'd be nice to have a more cohesive and responsive forum section, since on the whole things I found elsewhere were of limited usefulness for myth on Ubuntu....

bone2006
February 22nd, 2007, 01:14 PM
bulding a PVR was one of the main reasons I started to look into linux. Ubuntu being made for "humans" was nice so that I could have it on other machines as well. It would be nice to have a mythtv section. I'd take a big guess and say the two things that have increases the use of linux in the past few years were ubuntu and mythtv.
I think it's obvious that a lot of people would like to have a mythv section, so kind of wonder what is needed to make this happen? A poll to convience the moderators/administrators?

Patrick Dixon
February 22nd, 2007, 03:42 PM
As someone who has spent most of the last 3 weeks trying to get MythTV working on ubunty edgy (and now feisty), I also think this is a good idea.

I came across a variety of problems, and spent many hours googling, searching and asking on this and other forums, but in general, there do seem to be more questions than answers around.

There are some bad things about open source software, but community support makes up for many of them and is one of the best things about it. But it only works if people with knowledge and expertise are prepared to spent the time to help out those with problems and question, and I personally feel it would be easier to attract and retain those people with a dedicated forum area, since it's not very likely that they will bother to google or search to find questions to their answers!

Mythtv requires video, audio, remote control and databases to all be working, so it covers quite a wide range of issues. Many of these are both hardware and distribution specific, so it's useful to have an ubuntu mythtv forum. I think the news that ubuntu now has a mythtv package in the repos, is also attracting people to give both mythtv and ubuntu a go, which can only be a good thing for both - providing, of course, that there are more successes that failures!

ickyb0d
February 23rd, 2007, 07:22 AM
i would definitely like to see a mythtv sub fourm. It would be nice to have a community hang out for the ubuntu specific mythtv users that go on the forums here. Granted there is the wiki (help.ubuntu.com) but that always seems to be a "work in progress" and is constantly being updated and changed.

At least with a forum section you could quickly locate your problems and locate other people's problems if your willing to help.

dlg
February 23rd, 2007, 10:06 PM
why would we need a dev?


I agree, the point of this is that it's a user community.

I know a lot of the problems related to myth aren't truly problems with mythtv -- configuring tv-out, getting the firmware on your card to detect the remote control, etc.

But at least it's a starting off point. It'll probably even get some of the clutter out of the other forums, with people dropping mythtv-related posts in this forum rather than everywhere else.

If it's not a mythtv question, we can suggest another forum, but I think a mythtv forum would be helpful.

John.Michael.Kane
February 23rd, 2007, 11:43 PM
What is being asked for does not fit into the Ubuntu Release Assistance section.

The mythtv project is classed as a 3rd Party Project. You would need someone from the myth development group to request the section,and be willing to support,and maintain it as well.

like the rest of the 3rd Party Projects each one has the maker of the project support it.

majoridiot
February 25th, 2007, 12:12 AM
just ridiculous.

it really makes you wonder if these forums are here to satisfy rules or to actually provide easy to
access help. more problems are solved user-to-user in these forums than by a dev- be it ubuntu
or third party.

by all means, let's dump this off on the official mythtv forum, which rather sucks and has little accurate
ubuntu info, rather than setting up a simple sub-forum for users to share information, tips and tricks.

really makes ya want to help.

yeah, i know... just "search the tags".

:(

KiwiNZ
February 25th, 2007, 04:52 AM
What SD-Plissken has stated is correct.

Third party forums are set up at the request of the third party app, we are not prepared to set them up without full support.






just ridiculous.

it really makes you wonder if these forums are here to satisfy rules or to actually provide easy to
access help. more problems are solved user-to-user in these forums than by a dev- be it ubuntu
or third party.

by all means, let's dump this off on the official mythtv forum, which rather sucks and has little accurate
ubuntu info, rather than setting up a simple sub-forum for users to share information, tips and tricks.

really makes ya want to help.

yeah, i know... just "search the tags".

:(