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[YourSurrogateGod]

Hi, I just joined the forum. And as you might guess, I have a bunch of questions about Ubuntu.

I heard about Ubuntu from the Gentoo forums. I've tried installing Gentoo once... failed, miserably, ended up taking out my previous NTFS partition :roll: . I'm trying it a second time, but as you might imagine, it's rather difficult and time consuming (and given that it's almost the end of the semester and I don't have enough of the latter.)

I already worked with Fedora Core 2 for some time and Suse 9.0 (have been messing around with this one for quite some time actually.) Both of them are nice, but when it comes to software installation (something off of the net), things haven't been so easy.

Now the questions :) ...
When it comes to Ubuntu, how is it with the installation (sorry, couldn't find a manual of some sort) compared to Gentoo, FC2 and Suse 9.0?

When it comes to installing software on the OS, is there something that will manage things for me (I'm thinking of Portage for Gentoo... again)?

FYI: The "Increase Size" and "Decrease Size" features in the posts don't work, I just tried it...

[YourSurrogateGod]

Also, does Ubuntu come only with Gnome, or can I install KDE or even Enlightenment?

[somuchfortheafter]

ubuntu is gnome based
kubuntu is the bastard child of ubuntu and kde
both are good but ehh your better off to stick with one or the other
yes for enlightenment

umm why do you need a manual for the install. trust me its nothing like fedoras or gentoo but you will be able to figure it out on your own. software installs are done via synaptic or apt-get or if you want you can still compile from source. after installing ubuntu we do have a guide
http://ubuntuguide.org

happy ubuntuing

[jordanau]

installation for me personally was very easy. It is a very automatic installation. I don't know enough about gentoo to compare them. Secondly, there is a package program called apt-get. It has a GUI component called synaptic. Also very easy to use.

[Stormy Eyes]

Also, does Ubuntu come only with Gnome, or can I install KDE or even Enlightenment?

You can install anything you like. Ubuntu uses GNOME by default, but if you want Enlightenment, just apt-get it; set up your /etc/apt/sources.list and you can install anything that has a Debian package.

[TravisNewman]

Yes, installation is a breeze... you won't need a manual. It's easier than Windows IMO, but the interface isn't as pretty. Don't let that scare you.

[YourSurrogateGod]

You can install anything you like. Ubuntu uses GNOME by default, but if you want Enlightenment, just apt-get it; set up your /etc/apt/sources.list and you can install anything that has a Debian package.
Hey Stormy, what's up :) ?

Haven't seen you since the gentoo forums (I'm ats007spdou there :wink: .)

What's apt-get?

[TravisNewman]

The package manager. You can think of it like this: apt-get is to Ubuntu what emerge is to Gentoo. Though, they do work in different ways, they provide the same function-- downloading and installing software.

[YourSurrogateGod]

The package manager. You can think of it like this: apt-get is to Ubuntu what emerge is to Gentoo. Though, they do work in different ways, they provide the same function-- downloading and installing software.
I'll look around the site for some info later on...

Does the Install CD come with all the normal goodies that one would expect (gdb, gcc/g++, mozilla, etc)? Is there a complete list of these things?

[TravisNewman]

it comes with a lot of things that aren't installed, but are on the cd. Mozilla Firefox comes installed, and mozilla thunderbird is just an apt-get away, and it IS included on the cd. Development tools like g++: some are included on the cd, but you'll have to apt-get install build-essential to get them. Most people don't need them out of the box so they arn't included.

[somuchfortheafter]

honestly dude just install ubuntu and get it over with, install takes like 30 mins, and all your questions will be answered and you will have a fully functional linux system

[wondering_jew]

Theres a few things that are not on the install cd that you'll probably want such as various compilers etc, in the howto's you'll find an unofficial guide that will tell you how to get everything you need and someone wrote a script to do it all as well- just poke around the how to section.
As far as install goes, I too completely and miserably failed at installing gentoo and it was about a year until i tried linux again when ubuntu was released last fall, was like night and day- Someone who doesn't know a thing about linux could install ubuntu (I know cause that was me 6 months ago :) )

[TravisNewman]

gentoo is great, but I hadn't enough patience. I don't notice much speed difference between Ubuntu and Gentoo, so as far as I'm concerned there's no real benefit to using Gentoo-- for me anyway. For others it's great, as long as you have the patience, and you'll come out of it with a lot of new knowledge.

[YourSurrogateGod]

honestly dude just install ubuntu and get it over with, install takes like 30 mins, and all your questions will be answered and you will have a fully functional linux system
I will this weekend (kind of low on bandwith right now, damn university connection.)

Nice screenshot. I need to figure out how to trick out my screenshot that way :) .

[somuchfortheafter]

gdesklets is all the cool stuff, but lets just say its not that fun to get working in ubuntu, sometime i plan on finishing a howto for it....

[YourSurrogateGod]

gdesklets is all the cool stuff, but lets just say its not that fun to get working in ubuntu, sometime i plan on finishing a howto for it....
That would be cool...

[bored2k]

gentoo is great, but I hadn't enough patience. I don't notice much speed difference between Ubuntu and Gentoo, so as far as I'm concerned there's no real benefit to using Gentoo-- for me anyway. For others it's great, as long as you have the patience, and you'll come out of it with a lot of new knowledge.
I would try it just for that knowledge part. I loove to learn. There is always something to be done on my boxes and I have to time to compile [heck, my only chance of installing gentoo would be if my whole family goes on vacation!]. Again, after reading in an article on OSNews that on a 2ghz celeron proc abiword took 34minutes to compile, I think I'd summon all the TMNT 4 War Lords and unleash them @ my computer...

[YourSurrogateGod]

I would try it just for that knowledge part. I loove to learn. There is always something to be done on my boxes and I have to time to compile [heck, my only chance of installing gentoo would be if my whole family goes on vacation!]. Again, after reading in an article on OSNews that on a 2ghz celeron proc abiword took 34minutes to compile, I think I'd summon all the TMNT 4 War Lords and unleash them @ my computer...
Silly question... what's TMNT 4 War Lords :? ?

[bored2k]

Silly question... what's TMNT 4 War Lords :? ?
LOL ^_^ sorry I meant 3 not 4


Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III: Turtles in Time (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108308/) (You know, the one were they go to japan and fight some war lord looking samurais ;))

*I just made everyone who thought I was sane person smack their heads with their monitors :-\*

[YourSurrogateGod]

LOL ^_^ sorry I meant 3 not 4


Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III: Turtles in Time (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108308/) (You know, the one were they go to japan and fight some war lord looking samurais ;))

*I just made everyone who thought I was sane person smack their heads with their monitors :-\*
... never saw that, I thought that TNMT 4 is some sort of a utility/tool/program.

/me shrugs...

[bored2k]

... never saw that, I thought that TNMT 4 is some sort of a utility/tool/program.

/me shrugs...
I would have said Rurouni Kenshin/Shinta war lords [or maybe Samurai Champloo's],but I thought more people would relate to an TMNT example :-#

[YourSurrogateGod]

I would have said Rurouni Kenshin/Shinta war lords [or maybe Samurai Champloo's],but I thought more people would relate to an TMNT example :-#
The irony is, I would have related more to that than TMNT :) .

[bored2k]

The irony is, I would have related more to that than TMNT :) .
Yay ^_^
There are two kind of people I enjoy finding on the Internet:
a) Anime fans :D
b) Linux users (not on a Linux centered discussion like this)

[kassetra]

Yay ^_^
There are two kind of people I enjoy finding on the Internet:
a) Anime fans :D
b) Linux users (not on a Linux centered discussion like this)

Well... I'm both, but ya happened to meet me here. ;)

Hello and welcome (btw) YourSurrogateGod :)

[kiddo]

Are all the forum mods otakus or what? XD

YourSurrogateGod, welcome to Ubuntu :)

[bored2k]

Well... I'm both, but ya happened to meet me here. ;)

Hello and welcome (btw) YourSurrogateGod :)
I didn't know you liked anime. Sweet *gets all dorkish*

[kassetra]

Are all the forum mods otakus or what? XD

YourSurrogateGod, welcome to Ubuntu :)

Yes, yes we are.

heh. :)

[kassetra]

I didn't know you liked anime. Sweet *gets all dorkish*

Totally totally anime / manga fiend. :)
Why else do think I studied japanese so long...? For my health? heh. ;)

[kiddo]

Now we need an Ubuntucon. With warthogs, hedgehogs, badgers, etc, as cosplays. XD

EDIT: LOOOOOL I just stumbled upon this: http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ because of Firefox's weird behavior (why does it load nowhere pages when I accidentally middle click on something other than a link?)

[bored2k]

Three otakus on one night -- I'm feeling lucky ^_^.


POP Quiz ! Name the anime: "I feel sick" LOL. :-P

edit > http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ O_O *shocked*

[TravisNewman]

"are all mods otakus"

What in pete's name is an otaku? Apparently we aren't ;)

Badgerbadger etc is hilarious! I've had that page bookmarked for about 2 years now.

[kassetra]

"are all mods otakus"

What in pete's name is an otaku? Apparently we aren't ;)

Badgerbadger etc is hilarious! I've had that page bookmarked for about 2 years now.

otaku = anime fan (to westerners)

to japanese:
Usually an otaku person has nothing better to do with their life so they pass the time by watching anime, playing videogames, surfing the internet (otaku is also used to refer to a nerd/hacker/programmer) ... kind of negative...

[bored2k]

"are all mods otakus"

What in pete's name is an otaku? Apparently we aren't ;)

Badgerbadger etc is hilarious! I've had that page bookmarked for about 2 years now.
Well you're not one I guess ;)
Main Entry: otaku
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: an avid collector or enthusiast, esp. one who is obsessed anime, video games, or computer and rarely leaves home
Etymology: Japanese `house'
Usage: derogatory slang

[TravisNewman]

nope, I'm definitely not ;) I like SOME anime, but I leave home quite a bit.

[ubuntu_demon]

I don't know if I'm an otaku but i'm definetely an anime fan (naruto&bleach at this moment) and also an Ubuntu fan;)

[kiddo]

Of course, if you take the real definition, it's very very negative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku

But it seems "sweetened out" in the west, so it's more of a status. That's the same as geek, in fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek but that one is sweetening with time as you know it ;)

Anyone watched "Otaku no Video"? If not, find this 2 part OAV by gainax about Otaking and his friends taking over the world! http://www.gainax.co.jp/anime/otaku-e.html (yeah, this is 20 years old..)

EDIT: hey demon666, I just saw this week's VGCats, thought it might interest you :-\"http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=145 ..... okay, nevermind that's just gross XD

[dataw0lf]

I am most definitely NOT an 'otaku'. About the only anime I enjoy is Akira and even then I get bored. I just have absolutely no interest in the culture.

[ubuntu_demon]

Of course, if you take the real definition, it's very very negative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku

But it seems "sweetened out" in the west, so it's more of a status. That's the same as geek, in fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek but that one is sweetening with time as you know it ;)

Anyone watched "Otaku no Video"? If not, find this 2 part OAV by gainax about Otaking and his friends taking over the world! http://www.gainax.co.jp/anime/otaku-e.html (yeah, this is 20 years old..)

EDIT: hey demon666, I just saw this week's VGCats, thought it might interest you :-\"http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=145 ..... okay, nevermind that's just gross XD
funny cartoon ;)

we don't have much anime on tv here. Only kids-friendly stuff like pokemon.

I always downloaded naruto using animesuki. The dutch cartoon network channel doesn't air naruto. So I continue downloading naruto.

[bored2k]

I am most definitely NOT an 'otaku'. About the only anime I enjoy is Akira and even then I get bored. I just have absolutely no interest in the culture.
If you liked Akira get SteamBoy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348121/combined), its the last masterpiece from the guy that made Akira --it has some abnormal 3d effects < even better than Blood's (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275230/)(first ever full 3d anime).

edit > And for the record, I totally dislike Akira.

[dataw0lf]

If you liked Akira get SteamBoy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348121/combined), its the last masterpiece of the guy that made Akira --it has some abnormal 3d effects < even better than Blood's (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275230/)(first ever full 3d anime).

Maybe, just maybe, I'll check it out. Don't hold your breath though. ;)

[poofyhairguy]

more like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy

[YourSurrogateGod]

Wow, I can't believe how fast this thread grew :) .

Oh well, one more question, how difficult woud it be to install NASM?

As for anime...
Yeh, I'm an addict :) . Too bad the connection here doesn't allow me to go nuts :( .

Does anyone know the name of that that anime that was produced by one man on his mac with his wife? It's about a friendship between a boy and a girl millions of miles away from one another, she's in outer-space fighting aliens and he is on earth, sorry I can't get any more descriptive.

[YourSurrogateGod]

Development tools like g++: some are included on the cd, but you'll have to apt-get install build-essential to get them. Most people don't need them out of the box so they arn't included.
Should have asked this earlier, but what's apt-get and how do you use it properly?

[bored2k]

Should have asked this earlier, but what's apt-get and how do you use it properly?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool
http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Apt-get

http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Synaptic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic

[TravisNewman]

I adore wikipedia. They have something about everything, it seems.

[bored2k]

I adore wikipedia. They have something about everything, it seems.
Well, those wikis just saved you several lines of explanation ;).