First the Weasel, now the Dove

[WaterWalker]

After the Firefox/IceWeasel-problems Debian now replaced Thunderbird with IceDove. So I guess it will only be a matter of time before Ubuntu follows.

[Rhubarb]

I hope so! ;)

[darkhatter]

I hope ubuntu doesnèt follow

[sinisterSupreme]

ice wessel = bad idea
ok so ubuntu comes without codecs, and many people want the codecs to play on there system, this includes watching videos, flash, music streams, etc.
because of high demand, there are solutions to install the codecs, now with ice wessel, we'll also need a solution to install the plug-ins to use the codecs.
this will just make things worse, plus its dividing firefox development. forking it wont make more people want to try use firefox/icewessel, it'll only confuse them

[dca]

I actually want Ubuntu to offer an ISO (aside from using 'Reconstructor') that requires network install for remaining software outside of the core files so I can select which media players, which browsers/email clients, etc...

[dca]

...and 'no', I'm not talking about Ubuntu Server Ed.

[argie]

My only problem is that I want IceDove to be Icehawk.

[raublekick]

personally i don't think the Thunderbird clone should be called Ice anything.

Fire -> Ice
Thunder -> Ice? I don't think so.

Hell, even the Bird -> Dove isn't really a logical or consistent naming scheme.

How aboooout... Earth/LightningRaptor?

[PriceChild]

It won't take "anything" to get the plugins working... don't worry :)

[prizrak]

ice wessel = bad idea
ok so ubuntu comes without codecs, and many people want the codecs to play on there system, this includes watching videos, flash, music streams, etc.
because of high demand, there are solutions to install the codecs, now with ice wessel, we'll also need a solution to install the plug-ins to use the codecs.
this will just make things worse, plus its dividing firefox development. forking it wont make more people want to try use firefox/icewessel, it'll only confuse them

Don't worry, the plug-ins will work just fine. Mozilla simply doesn't allow you to modify the program and keep calling it Firefox and use their icon (also you have to use the icon if you call it Firefox and vice versa). Iceweasel is nothing but a modified Firefox (same idea as Swiftfox) it's quite a bit faster and perhaps better customized for Linux than Firefox but at the core it is the same.

[zachtib]

My only problem is that I want IceDove to be Icehawk.

I'd say IcePigeon, would fit better with Weasel i think

[argie]

Yeah, but I didn't like weasel either :D

[banjobacon]

I'd say IcePigeon, would fit better with Weasel i think
Well, at least naming an e-mail client after a dove/pigeon makes sense.

I'm still not a fan of 'ice-' and '-weasel'.

/me shrugs.

[Mr. Picklesworth]

Yah, these folks are just admitting their inability to come up with original names.

Epiphany and Evolution are miles ahead!

Had they not named their Firefox / Thunderbird spinoffs as opposites to the originals, I would be a lot happier with both of them coexisting.
As it is, I am tempted to get as far away as possible from what seems at first to just be some really bad relations between two groups.

(When really it's just some developers building another spinoff of that code, which actually happens quite often. These particular developers just want to make a lot of noise about it.)

[NoTiG]

personally i don't think the Thunderbird clone should be called Ice anything.

Fire -> Ice
Thunder -> Ice? I don't think so.

Hell, even the Bird -> Dove isn't really a logical or consistent naming scheme.

How aboooout... Earth/LightningRaptor?

How is it logical calling firefox firefox and thunderbird... thunderbird? It actually makes more sense to call them both IceBLANK because they are compliments of each other. I think it actually makes it more consistent

[GStubbs43]

Does anyone know how to install Icedove anyway? I'd like to try it. :)

[moore.bryan]

personally i don't think the Thunderbird clone should be called Ice anything.

Fire -> Ice
Thunder -> Ice? I don't think so.

Hell, even the Bird -> Dove isn't really a logical or consistent naming scheme.

How aboooout... Earth/LightningRaptor?

i think we're on the same wave-length... in another thread i suggested lightning-fish... after all, gnu's rationale is iceweasel because ice is not fire and weasel is not fox...
;-)

[moore.bryan]

Epiphany and Evolution are miles ahead!

i don't know if i agree with "miles ahead..." ;-)
i find epiphany unresponsive and uninuitive... evolution is the king of ram bloat, so on my tiny out-dated machine it's a no-no. i liked t-bird, but it was also a hog... along comes sylpheed, which is nice, but can't do nearly the same as t-bird.

i've been using iceweasel for some time and, on my machine, uses less mem than ff or swiftfox and is faster than both...

[raublekick]

i think we're on the same wave-length... in another thread i suggested lightning-fish... after all, gnu's rationale is iceweasel because ice is not fire and weasel is not fox...
;-)

yes exactly! i like the lightningfish idea :)

[Old Pink]

Who gives a ****? Just remove IceDove and use Thunderbird? Or just get used to the name? As long as it works, right? :)

[moore.bryan]

perhaps we should start a revolution?
::shrug::

[bruce89]

personally i don't think the Thunderbird clone should be called Ice anything.

Fire -> Ice
Thunder -> Ice? I don't think so.

Hell, even the Bird -> Dove isn't really a logical or consistent naming scheme.

How aboooout... Earth/LightningRaptor?

Silentgurnard

[xhaan]

Stupid naming conventions are awesome.
I love it.

[RAV TUX]

personally i don't think the Thunderbird clone should be called Ice anything.

Fire -> Ice
Thunder -> Ice? I don't think so.

Hell, even the Bird -> Dove isn't really a logical or consistent naming scheme.

How aboooout... Earth/LightningRaptor?

FrozenPhoenix?

[Polygon]

im fine with the naming conventions, although i would prefer icehawk / iceeagle, =P

plus this gives us a chance to make some pretty sweet icons.

[Brynster]

Ok time to throw my suggestions in.

For Firefox how about WaterBeagle Since water is the opposite of fire and Beagles are used to hunt foxes (or atleast they where in the uk untill it got banned).

For thunderbird how about SuunyWorm, Sunny obivously the polar opposite of thunderstorms and a worm as they live underground which is as close to being the complete opposite of flying above it i can think of.


Stoopid i know

[moore.bryan]

waterbeagle, sunnyworm... hysterical! but gnu's "naming conventions" aren't opposites, they're just "nots."
;-)