Does Ubuntu Have First Party Support?

[hyperlinxe]

Does anyone here know how Ubuntu works? Seems I can't get good answers to the questions I have. I'm interested in learning about how Ubuntu is designed, and why it is designed the way it is!

Does Ubuntu Have First Party Support?

In my mind first party support means that the developers of Ubuntu support the design of the system such that users of Ubuntu can use first party sources for various components of the system, and thereby integrate applications from first party sources without breaking the underlying Ubuntu system. Such an approach would make Ubuntu modular, and dynamic, capable of change, as opposed to static and prohibitive, it would also allow users of Ubuntu to take steps building their own systems without having to rely on singular sources, and allow them to use the best possible, and most secure sources.

It could be, that it's loosely true, but not entirely the case. There are tons of potential system components for example, besides merely the kernel, and hardware drivers, nearly every aspect of the system has a first party, that Ubuntu draws from, to create the Ubuntu operating system.

Also, when I say "does Ubuntu support," I am talking about the people that actually design the operating system in this case, and not the forum mods. There seems to be a lot of confusion with basic communication on the forums, we clearly are not rising to meet the standards that *Community* requires! But I will keep trying...

Does Ubuntu Have First Party Support For Modular Components Of The System? Which?

[him610]

Not a help request. Please move it to some other place, lock it, or delete.

[hyperlinxe]

Not a help request. Please move it to some other place, lock it, or delete.

Well I am asking for help, in learning about how Ubuntu works.... Maybe instead of demanding that posts be moved, or taken down, or arguing with them, the members of Ubuntu forums could attempt to actually help people!

We might actually get more people in the forum...if you guys would stop driving them away like this.

[Paddy Landau]

I'm not entirely clear what you are asking, but Canonical (who develops Ubuntu) does provide paid support, if that's what you mean.

Canonical doesn't provide free support other than through volunteers on Ubuntu Forums and Ask Ubuntu (https://askubuntu.com/).

[hyperlinxe]

What do you think third party support means?

[yancek]

You haven't defined what you mean by 'first party support' but it seems to be something that is not part of a basic Linux or Ubuntu and is generally referred to as 3rd party. Do you mean something not in the repositories? Software in the repositories is tested and if you want 3rd party software, you are free to do that but there is a greater likelihood it won't work properly.


Such an approach would make Ubuntu modular, and dynamic, capable of change, as opposed to static and prohibitive, it would also allow users of Ubuntu to take steps building their own systems without having to rely on singular sources, and allow them to use the best possible, and most secure sources.


That's pretty vague. Static and prohibitive?? By singular sources do you mean the Ubuntu server repositories which contain over 20000 pieces of software from a variety of sources?

[Paddy Landau]

What do you think third party support means?
You were asking about first party, not third party. Canonical is the first party for Ubuntu.

[hyperlinxe]

No, and I will give you an example.

The first party source for GNU, is GNU, which makes up the bulk of the system components

The first party source for Linux, is Linux, which comprises the Linux kernel

and, now I am simply asking you, what third party sources mean to you, for the benefit of communicating with each other!

[hyperlinxe]

One of the reasons I'm curious is because on ubuntu/canonicals website I see that Ubuntu is represented as free, and open, and modular

Another reason I ask, is because I like to customize Ubuntu, and want to take advantage of it's modular characteristics as advertised

[yancek]

the developers of Ubuntu support the design of the system such that users of Ubuntu can use first party sources for various components of the system, and thereby integrate applications from first party sources without breaking the underlying Ubuntu system

Canonical is the first party you are referring to so how does the above sentence make any sense. The underlying system is the same as the first party source which is Canonical. Your statement would make some sense if you were referring to third party sources, sources with no affiliation or connection to Canonical/Ubuntu.

[hyperlinxe]

So guys, it's very simple. If you spoke to people that develop, and use Ubuntu, I'm sure we could all agree that there is a general consensus.

In the context of using the Ubuntu Operating System, which is made up of all the components that provide us with our entire system! The first party source for "Linux" for example briefly, if you want to start with one simple example, is clearly Linux, and specifically the Linux kernel, developed by Linus Torvalds.

edit: and the first party source for Ubuntu, is clearly, Ubuntu! In that same light.

[Paddy Landau]

@hyperlinxe, I simply don't understand what you are after.

Nothing whatsoever stops you from customising Ubuntu, or indeed any other distribution. In fact, that's exactly what many people have done. As examples, Xubuntu and Lubuntu are official customisations ("derivatives") of Ubuntu. Pop!_OS and Mint are unofficial (and popular) derivatives of Ubuntu.

Ubuntu itself is a derivative of Debian.

If you want to customise Ubuntu, go ahead to your heart's content. You are perfectly welcome to do so. The only restriction is the use of Ubuntu's copyrighted name and logo, which you would have to replace (just as Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Pop!_OS and Mint have done). There is no other restriction. If you're customising only your personal copy, not for distribution, then you don't even have to worry about that.

If you want first-party support — which means Canonical's support — you would have to persuade Canonical that it's worth doing. Lubuntu went through that process: Originally, it was an unofficial derivative of Ubuntu, but after a few years, Lubuntu persuaded Canonical that it was worth supporting, and so now Lubuntu is an official derivative supported by Canonical (but still with an independent team).

Alternatively, you can pay for support for this sort of thing, but as Canonical's target market is larger organisations, you'll find it expensive.

[Paddy Landau]

the first party source for Ubuntu, is clearly, Ubuntu!
No, that's incorrect. The first party for Ubuntu is Canonical. Ubuntu is nothing more than a distribution. The team behind Ubuntu is Canonical.

[hyperlinxe]

Sure, so Ubuntu is Canonical, and Canonical is Ubuntu. I can agree with that. (even though they actually make a distinction about that, and say that is not how they would like to refer to the situation, they want to be referred to separately)

But, I'm sure you would agree with me, that Linux, is also Linux, such as the Linux kernel, the first party source, for Linux, the Linux kernel, developed by Linus Torvalds.

and that component, for example, is separate from Ubuntu. Which is why, if we want to talk about sources, we would refer to the linux kernel as being derived from the first party source: the people that actually develop the linux kernel.

[yancek]

Canonical is a for profit business which makes money primarily by selling support for the system. Ubuntu forums is simply a group of volunteers which has NO control or input any more than anyone else regarding the development of Ubuntu. I understand that these forums are supported by Canonical hosting the servers but I don't believe the company interferes with the operation.

[QIII]

Not a request for help with the operating system. Moved to ULOSC.

[hyperlinxe]

Actually it is a request for help, because I want to understand how we can use the Ubuntu operating system.

That's what my line of thinking, is all about! How can we take advantage of it's advertised modularity? What is the extent of it's modularity?

It's fine if you don't know. But why would you start arguing with strangers about definitions, if you simply don't know!

That's great you guys are volunteers. Me too. You're the people I'm seeking to speak to!

[QIII]

Let me clarify something for you: Ubuntu is an operating system developed and distributed by a company called Canonical. They are not the same.

Is your purpose here to deliberately attempt to exasperate the entire community with your obtuse inanity?

[Paddy Landau]

Ubuntu is Canonical, and Canonical is Ubuntu.
No, that's incorrect. Ubuntu is just a distribution, a software component. Canonical is the organisation that creates and maintains Ubuntu.

It's the same with Windows and Microsoft. Microsoft isn't Windows, and Windows isn't Microsoft. Windows is a software component. Microsoft is the organisation that creates and maintains Windows.

Microsoft creates and maintains other software and services as well.

The same with Canonical; Canonical creates and maintains other software and services as well.

How can we take advantage of it's advertised modularity?
Any way you like! It's FOSS.

What is the extent of it's modularity?
Everything is modularised. That's the Linux way. Maybe you're new to Linux, and don't understand how it all hangs together?

[hyperlinxe]

Look, I get it guys. I work with linux every day, and have worked with linux every day for more years than I can even count! It's frustrating. It's frustrating that the developers of our operating systems make decisions, that are independent to our desires!

So, with an academic lens we can attempt to better understand the overall design of the Ubuntu Operating System!

What Does First Party Support Mean?

Does Ubuntu Have First Party Support?

What Does Third Party Support Mean?

Which Components Of The Ubuntu Operating System Are Well Characterized As Modular?

Does Ubuntu Have First Party Support For Modular Components Of The System? Which?

These are fantastic questions! I love thinking about this stuff! I hope you do, or could, too!

[hyperlinxe]

Also please return the post, which is a help request, for using the Ubuntu operating system, back to it's original place, in the new users section where it appropriately belongs.

(I am sure that would benefit the community, that's why I am making this request)

[TheFu]

Seems you know who to ask about the OS design. Linus Torvalds. Good luck with that. Might I suggest buying him a very nice beer to get the conversation going?

Asking for answers is great. Sorry if people won't/can't provide the answer in the way you prefer. Sometimes people don't know the answer or don't know the answer you seek or just think the question is far to broad that takes so little effort to asking for them to spend hours, weeks, writing up the answers ... for free. We all have mortgages to pay, right? Many of us have kids in college so earning a living trumps taking time to repost information that is available with just a few web searches or a visit to the local public library.

If you want to understand the architecture of Ubuntu, Linux, Unix, then I'd suggest you take an OS design class at a local college/University. It isn't really something that can or should be covered in a thread in any internet forum. In the old days, we had the FAQs which were posted monthly for nearly every Usenet news group. Those text documents would answer 90% of the questions that someone new would like to know. At the time, the core members of each newsgroup maintained their FAQ carefully, so save time dealing with new users. For example, the Model Rocket FAQ was over 20 parts, with hundreds of sections. It was like a textbook that explained all parts of Model Rocketry to someone with zero or limited experience. I bet there was an OS-Design/Architecture newsgroup too. If you could find the FAQ for it, I bet it will cover the overall architecture for UNIX. I spent 30 seconds looking for the OS Architecture FAQ and couldn't find it. Google-Groups has effectively killed much of Usenet, sadly. Perhaps with 30 minutes more searching, I might find a copy from 2005 somewhere. IDK.

[QIII]

If you go over to Linus' home, take care to stay away from his driveway. Those of us who live around here are well aware of his propensity to apply a lead foot to the gas pedal.

Besides, he's a jackass and has little tolerance for us mere mortals.

[hyperlinxe]

QIII (https://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=628170)?

Are you threatening me now? Please do not threaten people on Ubuntu forums.



If you go over to Linus' home, take care to stay away from his driveway. Those of us who live around here are well aware of his propensity to apply a lead foot to the gas pedal.

Besides, he's a jackass and has little tolerance for us mere mortals.

[QIII]

Threatening you? By warning you away from Linus' dangerous driving habits?

[hyperlinxe]

The topic of first party support, is still wide open! Anyone can chime in about how the Ubuntu operating system is designed. Instead I have received nothing but contradiction, indignation, and now literally verbal threats.(for two hours straight) Is that why ubuntuforums.org is so inactive? Because of how it's being administered?

[QIII]

You were not threatened. You were given a helpful warning about Linus' reckless driving.

You are simply being obtuse in your persistence in deliberately ignoring and dismissing the answers you are given.

[hyperlinxe]

Can't wait to try the new Ubuntu now! That'll be my OS of choice for all my PC's (my microsoft windows pc's) and I'll be sure to recommend it to all of my neighbors too! That way they can get verbal threats, and absolute denial, when they seek help too!

[QIII]

Or, they could get sound advice and and be treated to competent tutelage without being obtuse and disruptive.

[hyperlinxe]

Also, if anyone on the planet earth would like to learn about how Ubuntu works: do no go to it's web forums! There is absolutely no help there whatsoever!

[hyperlinxe]

It's not like we use the same computers virtually, and are in the same group, natural allies, in other words, or rely upon one another for each other's technological security, and future.

[QIII]

You might do well to seek out another venue.

[hyperlinxe]

Let's try again. See if you can beat this challenge!


So, with an academic lens we can attempt to better understand the overall design of the Ubuntu Operating System!

What Does First Party Support Mean?

Does Ubuntu Have First Party Support?

What Does Third Party Support Mean?

Which Components Of The Ubuntu Operating System Are Well Characterized As Modular?

Does Ubuntu Have First Party Support For Modular Components Of The System? Which?

These are fantastic questions! I love thinking about this stuff! I hope you do, or could, too!

[Paddy Landau]

What Does First Party Support Mean?
If you don't have a dictionary, try Google.

Does Ubuntu Have First Party Support?
Already answered, more than once. If you're not going to read the answers, stop asking.

What Does Third Party Support Mean?
If you don't have a dictionary, try Google.

Which Components Of The Ubuntu Operating System Are Well Characterized As Modular?
You claim to have worked with Linux daily and you don't know the answer? Besides, I already answered this.

please return the post, which is a help request, for using the Ubuntu operating system…
No, it's not. It's a badly-formed request for information, which has already been answered.

The topic of first party support, is still wide open! Anyone can chime in about how the Ubuntu operating system is designed. Instead I have received nothing but contradiction, indignation, and now literally verbal threats.(for two hours straight) Is that why ubuntuforums.org is so inactive? Because of how it's being administered?
At this point, I realise that you're a troll.

[coffeecat]

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