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raleigh3
July 4th, 2020, 04:59 AM
I earnestly tried using a washable mask.

But I found that it:

1. Fogged up my glasses

2. Made my face hot

3. Made it so others could not see my facial expressions

4. Made it harder for others to understand me

So I have gone to this.

https://imgur.com/a/0XXgtn9

Andy

poorguy
July 4th, 2020, 01:01 PM
The Wife and I go very few places these days.

We're retired and staying home isn't a chore for us.

We do miss going to our usual places we used to go however we understand the importance of social distancing.


If your face mask isn't the right size and doesn't fit well you can and will have the results you describe.

The Wife made several different masks until the right fit was gotten because one size fits all doesn't work here.

Stay safe.

mastablasta
July 6th, 2020, 10:08 AM
So I have gone to this.

Andy

that won't help at all. it catches only bigger droplets.

you need surgical mask, the upper part should have a small metal wire that you use to clamp it around the nose. the it wont' fog up the glasses.

they did some tests (article on BBC) and if you use this mask and add a stocking over it you get nearly same level of protection as with PPE3 (in terms of maks being tight arorund the face and size of droplets that stay out). they are more expensive.

in my opinion for public places (shops etc.) and if you don't linger in them too long, washable mask is probably good enough. it protects others from your droplets you spit while you talk. and it also prevents you from touching the mouth and nose.

we get masks at work. being owned by Chinese they made stock of mask and sanitizers already in January. so we received a steady supply of 2 masks a day (i think production workers get 3 or 4 a day). i work in small office and i am often inside, so i don't use it at work unless i go to a meeting or to the toilet.

anyway wash hands, keep distance and if you can cover up the front you should be OK.

it's a really nasty virus. we had it down to 0 for a few days, now it's back up. the problem is that young people started socializing, and they mostly don't show the symptoms, so they would only notice the virus when it reaches older people. we are now at 15-20 of new cases a day, but luckily the cases are still mostly limited to specific place. so out of say 16 cases there would be 11 in old peoples home etc. the reason for increase was opening of borders (direct and clear corelation).

stupid year.

mastablasta
July 6th, 2020, 07:37 PM
washable masks work in terms that people actually spit when they talk. some more some less. if they are infected and don't have symptoms this spit is captured in their mask. so we protect others. a scarf would also do. also you don't spray it over stuff where it can survive for a while. well that's how they explained it here. looks like they were right. so far it still spreads among those that didn't follow the basic rules and also went to certain hotspots to socialise with others (night clubs, beach parties, weddings, funerals etc.). remember how in some cultures kiss each other when they greet. in some they at least hug.

here (even bofore virus) we mostly just nodded and said "hi" at about 3 m distance, sometimes we shook hands, if we haven't seen each other for a while. but usually a nod was all we did. and until recently i haven't realised how cold we actually must seem to others.

ailsa2
July 7th, 2020, 07:10 PM
My preference for Covid-19 includes the following.

1) I’m staying at home as much as possible.

2) Practicing physical distancing. Staying around six feet away from others in public spots.

3) Making voice and video calls to friends and family members instead of meeting them physically.

4) Frequently listen to CNBC (https://livenewsof.com/cnbc/) for any business re-opening.

5) Go grocery shopping and run errands during off-peak times.


You can see my look here: https://imgur.com/a/gMeOkAb

QIII
July 7th, 2020, 07:56 PM
Remember: The mask doesn't protect you, it protects everyone else. That is an important distinction that some folks seem to miss when they protest mask requirements.

I already have lung and heart damage from sarcoidosis (now in remission, thankfully), a disease over which I had no control. If I get the virus and develop COVID-19, I'm likely a goner.

So I have been pretty much confined to the farm for months. Fortunately, I'm a software developer and working from home has been how I've been doing things for several years. On the rare occasions when I do go out, it's to a Farm and Ranch type of store. Strangely, opposite to what I would have thought, the people who frequent those places are really conscientious about wearing masks and keeping distance. The two or three that I go to also have people out front counting customers in and out to keep the numbers down.

"The mask you wear isn't for you ... it's for others."

Tadaen_Sylvermane
July 8th, 2020, 02:11 AM
Its sad to see how many out here in Arizona not wearing masks. People have literally had tantrums when told they can't enter here or there.

Some say they work. Some say they don't. For me, I'll take any percentage of protection I can even if minor. I don't feel at risk. My whole family is all high risk though so it's worth it. My mom's mom makes them. Been seamstress for years. Does 3 layers or so of a cotton topped with bandana material. Looks good, washable. A bit of effort to breathe so I know it's helpful. Not perfect, but take what I can. If it gives me even 1% chance of protecting family, worth it.

raleigh3
July 8th, 2020, 06:23 AM
I disagree.

It protects me and others because it is a barrier to airborne particles.

raleigh3
July 8th, 2020, 06:27 AM
I have gone to a face shield.

The benefits are

1. Does not get hot

2. Does not fog up glasses

3. Others can see my face and my facial expressions

4. It is less likely for bank employees to thing I have come to rob them. :-)
Just some humor.

raleigh3
July 8th, 2020, 06:27 AM
I have gone to a face shield.

The benefits are

1. Does not get hot

2. Does not fog up glasses

3. Others can see my face and my facial expressions

4. It is less likely for bank employees to think I have come to rob them. :-)
Just some humor.

wildmanne39
July 8th, 2020, 06:29 AM
I have gone to a face shield.

The benefits are

1. Does not get hot

2. Does not fog up glasses

3. Others can see my face and my facial expressions

4. It is less likely for bank employees to think I have come to rob them. :-)
Just some humor.
Hi, is that the disposable ones? where did you buy yours?

QIII
July 8th, 2020, 06:50 AM
Face shield disadvantage: Curved hard surface does not trap the wearer's virus-bearing droplets or aerosolized virus particles and viral debris, but simply redirects them to the rear and into someone else's face.

QIII
July 8th, 2020, 07:11 AM
I disagree.

It protects me and others because it is a barrier to airborne particles.

Sure, it protects you if you are wearing an N95 or P95 mask and the virus is carried in a droplet of liquid 300nm or more in size. Neither an N95 or P95 mask is enough to filter out particles as small as the viruses themselves. The N95 standard tests for a particle size of 300nm -- much larger than the 35 - 125nm size of a corona virus. A cloth mask is a barrier to droplets that carry the corona virus particles ... like the ones a human spreads every time they sneeze, cough, speak, sing, laugh ...

We aren't talking about viral particles here. We're talking about the droplets of liquid that bear them. If you stop your droplets from hitting my face, you reduce my risk of contamination. If I wear a mask and you get spittle all over my face, I'm going to die of COVID-19.

Your mask doesn't protect you. It protects everyone else.

Edit: Just to be sure ... I take it everyone is speaking in an easy-going coffee-shop-and-doughnuts sort of way here. Right?

mastablasta
July 8th, 2020, 09:52 AM
the issue is (at least here) that at the beginning there weren't enough masks. so governments instead of telling people to wear them said wash your hands and keep distance and it will be fine. only after they purchased enough masks for health workers they started promoting it for ordinary people as well.

sad thing is they are made of plastic that can't be recycled and that dissolve to microplastic. and they are already causing issues in the oceans where they added to the plastic pile already there.

otherwise yes, it's all about "the spit". they protect others not really yourself. in Asia it was common to wear them. they often do due to pollution + they had SARS. it's something strange in our world.

but in times of plague, the plague masks were popular.