Sabayon Linux Talk

[RAV TUX]

I'm writing this from Sabayon Linux (specifically RR64, built on Gentoo GNU/Linux).

fastest, easiest install I have yet to see. Polish, and sexyness of Gentoo without typing any mad shell commands.

The only other Linux Distro I have tested today is SimplyMepis and I have to say that it is about 1000 times better then this.

consistent quality of everything simply working, like Mepis it is also in KDE. Unlike Mepis it has recognized my mouse consistently, and the screen display GUI is by default up on the desktop for you to tweak, but I didn't need to, like Ubuntu the settings were right on.

This build is super fast and the default desktop is beautiful.

I am so far impressed and have made the decision I will not be trying Mephis again. This is just too beautiful, and everything just works pain free.

If you have ever wanted the polish, speed and customization of Gentoo but maybe didn't want to be burdened with or plain just don't have the time to set it up. Sabayon is the anwser for you.

If you like KDE I have to say having tried many KDE linux Distros and many BSD distros, Sabayon has the best KDE set up I have ever seen.

Even though I like Gnome I may set this up on this box atleast.

to download and try for yourself go here:
http://www.lxnaydesign.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=27

I am specifically using the mini edition since I can't get my computer to boot from DVD. The mini-editions are on CD the full editions are on DVD:


RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 miniEdition: Download page (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=191&Itemid=2)

3.0RC1 miniEdition (codename: miniEdition - maxiSurprise) RR64 Linux 3.0 RC1 miniEdition, commonly called the “mini”, is the CD release of the latest RR64 Linux. The creation of this special version, has been made by an automatic script that has shrinked down the whole chroot jail by removing every duplicated, useless or server-oriented package. Preserving intact the multimedia orientation of every lxnay dEsigN release is my mission. So, enjoy that beautiful piece of software.
Features:
Same techinical specifications of RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 (full), except:
No SMP kernel available (only a normal mono-processor kernel 2.6.16.11)
Latest proprietary drivers from ATi (8.24.8) and nVIDIA (8756)
Faster boot time compared to RR64 Linux
Fully reliable on memory constrained systems (128Mb of RAM)
Fluxbox available as a viable alternative to KDE 3.5.2
XGL (latest stable official CVS release) and Compiz 0.0.8
Internet Kiosk features (NX Client and Server)
XsistenCe features (RR64 + USB memory = your home/data everywhere): read release notes
Complete integration of Tor (just boot with: gentoo tor) with Konqueror and Firefox
No extra language available by default (only English): they could be installed after the installation
No Stage 1,2,3 installation
CD to HD installation 4-5 times faster than the full RR64 Linux
KOffice 1.5.0 suite
K3B 0.12.15
amaroK 1.4 b3
Kaffeine 0.8.1
Multimedia features kept intactLinks:
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 miniEdition Torrent Download (http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=2002)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 miniEdition HTTP download (use with care please) (http://www.amdplanet.com/mirror/gentoo-rr4/RR64/RR64-Linux-3.0.RC1-miniEdition/RR64-Linux-3.0.RC1-miniEdition.iso)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 miniEdition ISO MD5 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/md5/RR64-Linux-3.0.RC1-miniEdition.iso.md5)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 miniEdition Release Notes (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/release_notes/RR64-3.0RC1.miniEdition.pdf)
RR64 Linux Support forum (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=5)
Kernel .config non-SMP 3.0RC1 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/kconfigs/RR64/config-stable-64)
Installed software (equery list) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/pkglist/RR64-3.0.RC1.miniEdition.packages.txt)
RR64 Linux Video sporting XGL in action (XviD 1.1) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/videos/RR64-3.0.RC1.avi)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 Wallpaper (1024x768) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/images/wallpapers/RR64-Linux-background-original.png)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 Wallpaper (oriz. text - 1024x768) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/images/wallpapers/RR64-Linux-background.png)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 Wallpaper (oriz. text - 1280x1024) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/images/wallpapers/RR64-Linux-background-1280.png)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 Wallpaper (oriz. text - 2560x1024) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/images/wallpapers/RR64-Linux-background-2560.png)
Post Install Screenshot 1 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/miniEdition/screenshots/3.0RC1/post-inst.png)
Post Install Screenshot 2 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/miniEdition/screenshots/3.0RC1/post-inst2.png)
Tor Enabled Screenshot (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/miniEdition/screenshots/3.0RC1/tor-enabled.png)

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[RAV TUX]

While Sabayon Linux is the best distro I have found. I find the forums overall very technical and advanced.

I doesn't come with the proper codec to play videos atleast here in the US, So I will have to load them.

[Jucato]

Another interesting find by yozef! :D

Just a few questions about it:
1. Isn't the RR64 version for 64-bit processors, while the RR4 is for the 32-bit ones?

2. the list of features you gave (which you quoted from the main site) is a bit ambiguous. Does it mean that all lines after "Same techinical specifications of RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 (full), except:" are not found in the "mini" CD versions? The listing format is quite unclear.

3. It's a good KDE distro (I'm taking your word for it). But would you recommend it for beginner/intermediate level Linux users? You compared it to both SimplyMEPIS and Kubuntu, which are notoriously famous for being oriented towards new Linux users. RR4/RR64 is Gentoo based, though, so I'm having some thoughts about it.

I might try downloading the ISO and try it out on VMWare first, before I make a test install. I'm looking at the screenshots now. Looks good, but I don't like the default wallpaper for RR4.

[RAV TUX]

Another interesting find by yozef! :D

Just a few questions about it:
1. Isn't the RR64 version for 64-bit processors, while the RR4 is for the 32-bit ones?

2. the list of features you gave (which you quoted from the main site) is a bit ambiguous. Does it mean that all lines after "Same techinical specifications of RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 (full), except:" are not found in the "mini" CD versions? The listing format is quite unclear.

3. It's a good KDE distro (I'm taking your word for it). But would you recommend it for beginner/intermediate level Linux users? You compared it to both SimplyMEPIS and Kubuntu, which are notoriously famous for being oriented towards new Linux users. RR4/RR64 is Gentoo based, though, so I'm having some thoughts about it.

I might try downloading the ISO and try it out on VMWare first, before I make a test install. I'm looking at the screenshots now. Looks good, but I don't like the default wallpaper for RR4.

This is one of the top finds that I have found and I am very pleased with the overall look, feel and usability of Sabayon.

1. Yes I believe you are correct the RR64 is for 64 bit.

2. This a bit confusing because it does start out as a list of exceptions but then without warning begins to make other notes. (Thanks for reminding my about the quote, I forgot to place it in qoutes)

I believe the exception statement only pertains to the following line:



Same techinical specifications of RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 (full), except:
No SMP kernel available (only a normal mono-processor kernel 2.6.16.11)
The second bullet appears to be a mistake.

3. I would say this is NOT good for beginners but intermediate or advanced at best. Saying that I consider myself a beginner, but keep in mind it is based on Gentoo but it is preconfigured so you don't have to mess with shell commands. I would say the learning curve would be the same as Ubuntu in general but the forums seem to be filled with advanced users so this is why I don't recommend it for beginners.

overall I am pleased with it but I have a couple of hurdles,

1. I have to install codecs, I popped a movie in and it gives great info and link for what I need to load but doesn't automagically play the movie like dyne-bolic does. This can be expected for most distros with some exceptions.

2. The installer is a Gentoo installer which is very easy to use. I am just a bit unfimiliar with it.

I am still only running the live CD. My wife appears to like it but felt sad when she saw Tux full of thorns.

[Jucato]

I couldn't understand/appreciate the concept behind the wallpapers. They have different wallpapers for RR64 and RR4. The one for RR64 is the cactus-like Tux, which is a bit strange, if not demented (couldn't think up of an appropriate adjective). The one for RR4 has a phrase that goes "the story of one fried egg. Mrs. Hen and the Linux penguin". Really strange.

The default RR4 theme looks almost like MEPIS. I'm guessing they're probably using similar icon themes, widget styles, window decorations, etc. I guess I have to really install it (not in VMWare) to get a "feel" of the speed you're talking about. But I might not go there yet. I'm not yet prepared to go into Gentoo (and Slackware) yet. (I haven't even tried any RPM-based distro).

Some other time maybe...

[RAV TUX]

I couldn't understand/appreciate the concept behind the wallpapers. They have different wallpapers for RR64 and RR4. The one for RR64 is the cactus-like Tux, which is a bit strange, if not demented (couldn't think up of an appropriate adjective). The one for RR4 has a phrase that goes "the story of one fried egg. Mrs. Hen and the Linux penguin". Really strange.

The default RR4 theme looks almost like MEPIS. I'm guessing they're probably using similar icon themes, widget styles, window decorations, etc. I guess I have to really install it (not in VMWare) to get a "feel" of the speed you're talking about. But I might not go there yet. I'm not yet prepared to go into Gentoo (and Slackware) yet. (I haven't even tried any RPM-based distro).

Some other time maybe...

I felt it is a lot more polished and professional then the Mepis Distro.

I honestly felt it is quite easy overall, I have tried Gentoo and was always impressed with it. Sabayon could in Theory be called "easy Gentoo".

[RAV TUX]

OK I am going to attempt an install of Sabayon Linux now.

I'll follow up.

[Jucato]

Hey Jozef, you might find this interview interesting:

http://dot.kde.org/1153960955/

It's an interview with Fabio Erculani, founder and developer of Sabayon.

From the interview, it seems that Sabayon is developed by only one man. I'm usually scared of one-man-team distros... :(

[RAV TUX]

Hey Jozef, you might find this interview interesting:

http://dot.kde.org/1153960955/

It's an interview with Fabio Erculani, founder and developer of Sabayon.



Thanks for the link.




From the interview, it seems that Sabayon is developed by only one man. I'm usually scared of one-man-team distros... :(

This is why I shy away from Mepis.

[Jucato]

Except that MEPIS isn't really just a one man team, although Warren does get the spotlight most of the time.

http://www.mepis.org/people
(and a few scattered posts in this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201614)

Contrast that to:

I counted only on myself. I grab and even steal every good idea from the users and try to implement that. I do not follow a timed release schedule, because it's something stupid in my opinion, I prefer to follow a feature release schedule. Working alone is quite hard, but if you believe on what you are doing, you can do everything you want. An example? Try to compare the latest RR4 release with any other KDE-based distribution and keep in mind that I've always worked alone. The results? Just let me know...

Hey, I'm not bashing Sabayon or anything. :D

[RAV TUX]

Except that MEPIS isn't really just a one man team, although Warren does get the spotlight most of the time.

http://www.mepis.org/people
(and a few scattered posts in this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201614)

Contrast that to:


Hey, I'm not bashing Sabayon or anything. :D

Thats OK I have moved beyond testing Sabayon about 10 distros ago.

[hizaguchi]

So, did you get it installed? When you say you moved beyond testing it, does that mean that you weren't fully impressed in the long run? I'm very interested in this distro for my 64 bit laptop.
I love Ubuntu, but it seems that 64 bit support is growing too rapidly for a 6 month release cycle and since I'm looking into compiling some stuff from source anyway, portage would be handy. Is it worth downloading a DVD worth of files? If I did the CD instead could I later add the missing components (do they use the same portage tree)?

[RAV TUX]

So, did you get it installed? When you say you moved beyond testing it, does that mean that you weren't fully impressed in the long run? I'm very interested in this distro for my 64 bit laptop.
I love Ubuntu, but it seems that 64 bit support is growing too rapidly for a 6 month release cycle and since I'm looking into compiling some stuff from source anyway, portage would be handy. Is it worth downloading a DVD worth of files? If I did the CD instead could I later add the missing components (do they use the same portage tree)?

I didn't install just tested the live CD, it does use the Gentoo installer, I used the CD version on my computer with an Intel EM64T (64 bit dualcore) processor.

I didn't use the DVD version since for some reason the option to boot from DVD has been left off of my BIOS menu.

You do need to install codecs to play movies on DVD.

[RAV TUX]

I have decided to start a series of threads specifically for technical help for other Distros...the Distro is listed in the thread title. This is primarily for Ubuntu users who test or use other distros and feel most comfortable seeking help in our own community. In no way does this superceed the help you should also be getting from the perspective Distro., in fact I encourage you to be as active in their forums as you are here and post ideas, knowledge and solutions here to provide a reference point to share, reference links are encouraged.

***Sabayon Tech Talk***

Threads merged:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221399
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=231245

[RAV TUX]

The New Sabayon Linux x86/x86-64 3.0RC2 out !........

seeders are needed for the bittorrent to speed the downloads....


If you haven't tried this awesome distro, now would be the time to give it go, I'm looking forward to trying out the New SabayonLinux Installer (based on Anaconda Installer from FC5, boot with "gentoo installer-gui" to directly start the Graphical Installation and "console installer-text" for the Text-based Installation)



http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/images/sllogo-mid.png
THANKS to our BETA team, Christopher Villareal (cvill64) and Rùben Gonçalves - sparse order:

Danny Brown
Luca Palermo
Luca Casagrande
Patrick Keane
Olivier (BuBU)
Clemens Koller
John Hawk
Raoul
-- Since I surely have missed someone - please mail me!!! http://www.lxnaydesign.net/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

August 15th, 2006 - The Internet:

"Sabayon is an Italian dessert made with egg yolks, sugar, a sweet liquor (usually Marsala wine), and sometimes cream or whole eggs. It is a very light custard, which has been whipped to incorporate a large amount of air."

The World's first and fastest Gentoo Linux powered distribution now changes its name. A change of style and unification for the RR4/RR64 Linux projects. Our mission is simple: making things that just work, using one of the most scalable Operating System.

NEW FEATURES:

New SabayonLinux branding and theming (for GNOME, KDE and XGL/cgwd)
Desktop Wallpaper copyright by Tigaer Design (http://www.tigaer-design.com/)
New SabayonLinux Installer (based on Anaconda Installer from FC5, boot with "gentoo installer-gui" to directly start the Graphical Installation and "console installer-text" for the Text-based Installation)
Media Center functionalities (Run Freevo automagically using "mediacenter" kernel and GeeXbox using "geexbox" kernel)
Complete support (except DRI for now on Intel based video cards) for Intel Macs on the Live system (no installation support yet)
ColdWar (http://www.coldwar-game.com/) Demo (the fastest way to try ColdWar on a GNU/Linux system) just boot using "coldwar" or "coldwarsmp"
Linux kernel 2.6.17.8 (genpatches 6) and a highly improved Hardware detection
Latest ATI 8.27.10 video drivers with improved XGL support
Packages based sporting GCC 4.1 optimizations
Complete LVM2 and software RAID support on the Installer
KDE 3.5.4, GNOME 2.12.3, XFCE 4.2.3, Fluxbox 1.0RC1, Enlightenment 16
Skype 1.3 ! (finally)
Complete Gstreamer 0.10 support
Network Manager and KNetworkManager integration
Complete and enhanced Localization support on both Live and installed system
New SabayonLinux Portage overlay management
New session= boot option for x86-64 (session=kde, session=xfce, session=fluxbox, session=gnome, session=e16 to autologin into a specific desktop)
New opengl= boot option for x86-64 (available options: xorg-x11,nvidia,ati)
Added xdriver= boot option to force X.Org to use a specific video driver
Added sound=mute to disable the automatic sound mixer configuration
Added Tor/Privoxy support to x86-64 (to enable TOR just add "tor" at the ISOLINUX prompt)
Optimized memory consumption (reduced the memory requirement from 18Mb)

Bug fixes, important updates and new applications (for a complete list of the packages, see below):

Portage Snapshot from 02 August 2006
New SabayonLinux overlay (http://svn.sabayonlinuxdev.com)
Updated NetworkManager to 0.6.4
Changed default CFLAGS on SL x86-64 to get everything compile correctly (x86-64)
Updated GRUB with SabayonLinux theme
kdelibs now compiled with ACL support
Updated rt2570 driver to a working CVS snapshot
Removed compiz-vanilla and added compiz-quinnstorm
Compiz now uses cgwd and its themes
Updated gnash to 0.7.1_p20060704 on x86-64
Updated Amarok to 1.4.2_beta1
Updated Kuroo to 0.80.2
Updated Opera to 9.0
Updated ALSA to 1.0.12_rc1
Updated aMule to 2.1.3
Updated WINE to 0.9.18 on x86
Updated ATI Drivers to 8.27.10
Updated Inkscape to 0.44
Updated Azureus to 2.4.0.2
Updated CUPS to 1.2.2
Updated OpenOffice to 2.0.3
Changed NetworkManager and kNetworkManager policy to use plugdev group
KDE Language configuration now configure the root user too
Changed the hostname to sabayonx86 and sabayonx86-64
Changed the Primary User to sabayonuser (on the LIVE System just press Enter on the Login screen)
Updated to sys-fs/ntfsprogs-1.13.1 with fuse enabled (Read/Write NTFS is now possible)
Unified the GNOME and KDE Update Installer Icon
Mozilla Firefox and OpenOffice now have the chosen localization (if the Language Pack is available)
Improved Intel video card auto detection (i945 and i845 are now automatically configured)
Changed Default GTK icons theme to Tango
Disabled SSH root login by default
Disabled Option DPMS in xorg.conf
Removed problematic progsreiserfs
Correctly masked all X.Org 7.1
fixed X.Org Cirrus driver on x86
removed problematic kdelibs pertty patches on x86-64
removed buggy confcache on x86
Added ManDVD 2.0.9
Added Kmldonkey 0.10.1
Added Firestarter 1.0.3 to x86-64
Added ekiga 2.0.2 and asterisk 1.2.9_p1
Added kmyfirewall 1.0.1
Added Google Earth Beta4 to x86-64
Added pine to x86-64
Added knock to x86-64
Added /usr/share/sounds/sabayonlinux_startup.ogg as startup sound (sweet! thanks kde-apps.org)
Added Basket 0.5
Added unionfs 1.3 support to x86
Added module-rebuild to x86-64
Added rt61 wireless driver
Added ATM support to ppp utility
Added br2684ctl driver
Added ueagle-atm driver
Added acx driver to x86

IMPORTANT NOTES:

This distribution contains libdvdcss look here if you live in the U.S. ! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decss).
This distribution contains proprietary and non-GPL softwares too (like from NVIDIA, ATI, Google, etc). Before running them, be sure to read their license and agree with that, otherwise, just remove those applications. To run SabayonLinux without Proprietary drivers, just use "noproprietary" boot flag.
Reiser4 is disabled on the Installer (to enabled it just add "reiser4" to your boot options) - USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
When you exit ColdWar (if you boot with "coldwar" and "coldwarsmp") the System will shut down automatically.
Trademarks are property of their respective owners, everywhere.

RESOURCES for SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 (revision F):

SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 Torrent download (http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=2667)
SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 FTP Download (use with care !) (ftp://sabayon.peoplesquest.com/Sabayon/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2f.iso)
SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 MD5 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/md5/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2f.iso.md5)
Kernel configuration no-SMP (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/kconfigs/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2.nosmp.config)
Kernel configuration SMP (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/kconfigs/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2.smp.config)
SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 Package list (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/pkglist/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2.packages.txt)
SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 extra documentation :: soon ::
SabayonLinux x86/x86-64 Screenshots (http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=711&slide=7&title=sabayonlinux+x86+3.0+rc2+screenshots)

RESOURCES for SabayonLinux x86-64 3.0RC2 (revision A):

SabayonLinux x86-64 3.0RC2 Torrent download (http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=2669)
SabayonLinux x86-64 3.0RC2 FTP Download (use with care !) (ftp://sabayon.peoplesquest.com/Sabayon/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2a.iso)
SabayonLinux x86-64 3.0RC2 MD5 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/md5/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2a.iso.md5)
Kernel configuration no-SMP (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/kconfigs/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2.nosmp.config)
Kernel configuration SMP (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/kconfigs/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2.smp.config)
SabayonLinux x86-64 3.0RC2 Package list (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/pkglist/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2.packages.txt)
SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 extra documentation :: soon ::
SabayonLinux x86/x86-64 Screenshots (http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=711&slide=7&title=sabayonlinux+x86+3.0+rc2+screenshots)

[hizaguchi]

I'm downloading the torrent now. The improved hardware detection has my hopes up because the last time I tried it got stuck trying to figure out my sound card and wouldn't boot. Plus I need somewhere else to get my Xgl fix since Suse has decided to go oddly unstable on me.

[hizaguchi]

Eh, I'm not convinced. It was a very easy install (even in text mode), and it gave me a fully functional system minus XGL. I was afraid to try xgl because it was crashing on the live CD, but I did spend the day with the KDE desktop and I wasn't impressed. Too many extra apps and too much gtk in my qt. Did I mention too many redundant apps? The "Internet" menu is downright intimidating, and I've been using Suse.

I rate it high for ease of installation and hardware support (even my HD audio card was detected), but very low for overall appeal and ease of use, because the default desktop looks like my little brother's Windows after 2 years of surfing the internet and clicking "OK" impulsively.

[neighborlee]

Eh, I'm not convinced. It was a very easy install (even in text mode), and it gave me a fully functional system minus XGL. I was afraid to try xgl because it was crashing on the live CD, but I did spend the day with the KDE desktop and I wasn't impressed. Too many extra apps and too much gtk in my qt. Did I mention too many redundant apps? The "Internet" menu is downright intimidating, and I've been using Suse.

I rate it high for ease of installation and hardware support (even my HD audio card was detected), but very low for overall appeal and ease of use, because the default desktop looks like my little brother's Windows after 2 years of surfing the internet and clicking "OK" impulsively.

LOL wow it sounds like its really got bloat ;-)..thx for the warning ;-)...

any developer that talks to egotistically about 'try it and remember I am the only one here and look what I've done!' wont get me to come onboard anytime sooon.

cheers
g.leej(nl)

[RAV TUX]

I still haven't tried it, just got back from vacation, still using Knoppix and Ubuntu.

[RAV TUX]

The mini-edition rc2 has just been released for those who want a trim and fit Sabayon

[gruvsyco]

The mini-edition rc2 has just been released for those who want a trim and fit Sabayon

I'm sitting at 56% on the very very slow download. I tried the torrent but got some kind of error. I'm really hoping it'll work out for me. It looks nice and would be a great addition to my Ubuntu Dapper(XGL) and Edgy(AIGLX) installs and, I already have the partition available.

57% now.

I've been wanting to get a Gentoo install up and running for a while and, as computer literate as I consider myself... just can't bring myself to get any of the other gentoo distros I've tried working.

*crosses fingers*

[RAV TUX]

I'm sitting at 56% on the very very slow download. I tried the torrent but got some kind of error. I'm really hoping it'll work out for me. It looks nice and would be a great addition to my Ubuntu Dapper(XGL) and Edgy(AIGLX) installs and, I already have the partition available.

57% now.

I've been wanting to get a Gentoo install up and running for a while and, as computer literate as I consider myself... just can't bring myself to get any of the other gentoo distros I've tried working.

*crosses fingers*

It is worth the wait,....Sabayon is the future of linux today...beautiful distro.

I will probably dual boot to Knoppix on my primary computer.

[gruvsyco]

It is worth the wait,....Sabayon is the future of linux today...beautiful distro.

I will probably dual boot to Knoppix on my primary computer.

For me, it's not a matter of worth the wait... it's more a "I hope this **** works this time".

I've tried Gentoo, Kororaa, rr4 3.0 rc1 and some other one I don't remember... They seem to function ok live but, either seem to hang somewhere on install or due to something I set, don't fully boot up correctly (as in, no internet). I'll keep trying though. Dapper is my main gig right now but, I'm slowly feeling Edgy.

[RAV TUX]

For me, it's not a matter of worth the wait... it's more a "I hope this **** works this time".

I've tried Gentoo, Kororaa, rr4 3.0 rc1 and some other one I don't remember... They seem to function ok live but, either seem to hang somewhere on install or due to something I set, don't fully boot up correctly (as in, no internet). I'll keep trying though. Dapper is my main gig right now but, I'm slowly feeling Edgy.

I understand,...I wish for you the best possible outcome....the Sabayon forums are very helpful btw

[gruvsyco]

I understand,...I wish for you the best possible outcome....the Sabayon forums are very helpful btw

71%

yup... been cruising them. I probably won't go so far as to ask questions if I get hang ups unless the LiveCD just knocks my socks off. If I do get it up and running with any satisfaction, I'll post some feedback here.

[RAV TUX]

71%

yup... been cruising them. I probably won't go so far as to ask questions if I get hang ups unless the LiveCD just knocks my socks off. If I do get it up and running with any satisfaction, I'll post some feedback here.

Hey, did you get the live CD running?

[gruvsyco]

posting from it right now! 2nd boot... had to come back and find out what the password to login was. While I was at it, I looked into passing options on boot for XGL and resolution so, I'm sitting here in a Live session with XGL at 1600x1200.

My first impression on boot up was... christ not another freakin Vista theme. Other than that, It's looking ok. Not sure if I'll try the install right now or not

[gruvsyco]

Oh... and he really needs to do something about the remaining crappy plasticy blue KDE icons. That theme is the worst.

[RAV TUX]

Oh... and he really needs to do something about the remaining crappy plasticy blue KDE icons. That theme is the worst.

what version? do you have a screenshot? it sounds so different then the version I ran

rr64 mini or something of that nature

[gruvsyco]

I'm running the mini that was released today... the icons are the standard KDE blue plastic looking ones. I'm installing now, hopefully I'll boot with services. It would be nice to modify this rig a bit :).

[gruvsyco]

Well, this is cool. It actually installed. What's cooler is that it passed the arguments I used when booting the LiveCD on to the installation so... it installed with XGL, Latest ATI drivers and at 1600x1200 resolution.

I'll have to dig around a bit... it seems a lot slower to boot then Ubuntu. I'm sure that once it's tweaked, it will be alright.

[gruvsyco]

I've played around with it a little now and, I would really like to figure out how to get it completely optimized now... p4/hyperthreading... whatever. I'm getting 500-1000 fps better on Sabayon than I do on Dapper.

[kazuya]

It is pretty good. I cannot say bloated. I love the look of the interface with kde 3.5.4. It seems very snappy after being installed. Ubuntu is faster to setup, but Sabayon gives you gentoo without configuration headaches. After install, I think there is a way to reconfigure or have everything reinstaled with simple CLI or a fron end like synaptic called kuroo.

I am looking forward to better optimizing it. I sense its responsiveness over dapper already.

However, it does not automatically detect and give me the option of booting windows or accessing my other partitions as easily without propbably messing with fstab to add other partitions.

This is where dapper excels.

It comes with most of the codecs you would require, and many more. Once one learns how to update and upgrade and sync packages, this machine would become a monster on speed. It is worth it for me. And it looks polished.

PS: I have installed the newest sabayon RR4 livecd version. Mplayer and xine works fine without any extra installs. The wallpers you can change, but I like the one on there. I would post a screenshot someday.

Dapper is still the standard for me of what other OSes should be like {newer machines}. Vector or slack is the best option for older PCs, and relatively new PCs also. Gentoo thanks to Sabayon, may be the answer to all types of PCs. Old {Compile times may be the side effect}, and new PCs.

[SoundMachine]

Maybe since they fixed the installer, it had the habit of scratching the entire partition table before.

I still consider it a hobby project that needs a couple of "stable" version under the hood.

And it's gentoo, ugh, i have better use for systems resourses than compiling for absolutely no reason at all.

[kazuya]

I booted it with this at prompt,
boot: gentoo xgl

Use this to boot and you would be amazed. I was stunned at what you could do with xgl. The speed was awesome. I wish this gets ported into dapper somehow. I have tried, but have not been successful.

This reason mainly is why I dabble with it. However, it is slow to bootup for me right now. I still have not gotten kuroo {similar to synaptic} to play nice.

I use it for the craziness. Multimedia and everything else just works. But I sadly still have not found a way to install gnome or other packages yet with it. I keep getting masked issues. Packages are being hidden or kept so as to prevent changing certain things already in place by sabayon. Once I master how to use the package manager, I would be able to fully reinstall all packages and perhaps better optimize them for even more speed than exists right now. I know things launch only slightly faster than Ubuntu right now.

While faced with it, I cannot help and cannot shake this feeling of the world it is about to take me into. A realm far far from what I have been accostomed to.

I am a dapper guy. Dapper is the best adaptation of the gnome interface.

Sabayon would go places.

[RAV TUX]

I booted it with this at prompt,
boot: gentoo xgl

Use this to boot and you would be amazed. I was stunned at what you could do with xgl. The speed was awesome. I wish this gets ported into dapper somehow. I have tried, but have not been successful.

This reason mainly is why I dabble with it. However, it is slow to bootup for me right now. I still have not gotten kuroo {similar to synaptic} to play nice.

I use it for the craziness. Multimedia and everything else just works. But I sadly still have not found a way to install gnome or other packages yet with it. I keep getting masked issues. Packages are being hidden or kept so as to prevent changing certain things already in place by sabayon. Once I master how to use the package manager, I would be able to fully reinstall all packages and perhaps better optimize them for even more speed than exists right now. I know things launch only slightly faster than Ubuntu right now.

While faced with it, I cannot help and cannot shake this feeling of the world it is about to take me into. A realm far far from what I have been accostomed to.

I am a dapper guy. Dapper is the best adaptation of the gnome interface.

Sabayon would go places.


Embrace "Emerge"...utilize the command line....it is faster and better then Kuroo, klik or the synaptic package manager.

boot time for me is about 4.5 seconds to 16.5....

pretty damn fast, much faster then Ubuntu or anything else I have used with the exception of PC-BSD....

not sure why boot time is important I usually leave my OS up and running and just turn off the monitor...

[spudw]

slow to boot, but much faster than kubuntu with xgl/compiz!:-D

[raffytaffy]

live installer wont work for me...says the "partition is in use"

[mips]

Busy downloading the SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2b.miniEdition.iso right now.

Went to the website & irc channel and like what I see so far.

Just wish they had better ftp sites/mirrors as the download is painfully slow.

[spudw]

ive decided to stick with sabayon. i like all the ubuntus and i will hand out the cd's to friends and family but i really like this distro. its so responsive and stable. i cant complain about compile times cuz i can just download binarys if they are available. btw yozef how did u get such fast boot time?:-k

[mips]

Ok, I have sabyon x86-64 RC2 installed.

My xorg.conf is not looking to hot, needs editing.
Fonts are not to hot but can be fixed
kuroo does not work, spits out an error.
I don't like the dual panel setup, can be fixed.

Besides that I like it a lot. Just have to start reading up on emerge.

How did you get your boot times so fast ???

[RAV TUX]

Ok, I have sabyon x86-64 RC2 installed.

My xorg.conf is not looking to hot, needs editing.
Fonts are not to hot but can be fixed
kuroo does not work, spits out an error.
I don't like the dual panel setup, can be fixed.

Besides that I like it a lot. Just have to start reading up on emerge.

How did you get your boot times so fast ???

Emerge is Sabayon's strongest selling point....embrace emerge.

boot time may be fast because I have a 64bit dual core but also through the BIOS menu there is an option for a fast boot...try this.

[RAV TUX]

Sabayon is my primary OS on my primary computer,....I will continue to always use Ubuntu on my older computer....I will continue to Mod the Ubuntuforums and actively distribute Ubuntu...

(side note: I have downloading StartCom...will burn and test later)

[mips]

Emerge is Sabayon's strongest selling point....embrace emerge.


I tried but even emerge does not work. Spits out errors to the effect that the 'arch' version is not specified or unknown. Where would I specify which arch i have ??? I google, found similair problems but no answers that fixed my problem.

I'm not using sabayon currently as I just did a kubuntu reinstall. I'm probably gonna reinstall sabayon and try and make it work. If I can get it fixed I will probably stick with it as I liked what i saw & I would like to use a 64bit distro as debian based 64bit is lacking multi-arch which is sad.

I checked my BIOS and found no fast-boot option. Sabayon feels like it takes longer to load than kubuntu.

[kazuya]

I have this same issue. I have tried some fixes. Try this:

emerge --sync && emerge portage kuroo && kuroo

I recommend you check out this site:

emerge --sync is like apt-get update. the other part would update kuroo and then launch it for you. - I am still trying to figure out how to deal with my MASKs issues. The best thing to do is try, get an error and copy and paste error to forum, so someone can help. I feel once done with this step, and as you keep using and dabblig with it, you would soon be hooked on it totally..


http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=0ae43874f9b6de15d86a4dfeb81a57c5

I cannot upgrade or install softwares yet, but it remains my new favorite distro for showcasing the potential of linux. XGL on this thing is fast and wondrous. I may have to send my screenshots here one of these days. But you have to see it to appreciate it. codecs for multimedia all works.

If I downloaded the DVD version then I almost would not need to download any softwares, just use the apps.

[spudw]

I tried but even emerge does not work. Spits out errors to the effect that the 'arch' version is not specified or unknown. Where would I specify which arch i have ??? I google, found similair problems but no answers that fixed my problem.

I'm not using sabayon currently as I just did a kubuntu reinstall. I'm probably gonna reinstall sabayon and try and make it work. If I can get it fixed I will probably stick with it as I liked what i saw & I would like to use a 64bit distro as debian based 64bit is lacking multi-arch which is sad.

I checked my BIOS and found no fast-boot option. Sabayon feels like it takes longer to load than kubuntu.

did you emerge --sync after install? thats always the first thing i do. it takes awhile to sync

[mips]

I feel once done with this step, and as you keep using and dabblig with it, you would soon be hooked on it totally..


I think I have to agree with you there. I like it more than (K)Ubuntu.

I'm going to do a fresh install of it and try again. I will start posting to the forums in the hope that the few issues I have get fixed.

I will try your suggestions.

[RAV TUX]

I have only installed the DVD version,...emerge works flawlessly without fail.....see this forum thread to see how easy emerge is:

http://cafelinux.org/forums/index.php/topic,224.0.html

[RAV TUX]

I am downloading the latest version now.

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[xXx 0wn3d xXx]

I have just finished burning the Sabayon cd. Hopefully it will work...

[kerry_s]

Sabayon is pretty cool, i just down loaded and burned yesterday(mini version). I just ran it as livecd so i could show my dad how the xgl looks. Running xgl from a livecd is really cool. I use fluxbox and openbox so xgl doesn't work for me ;) . I was surprised that the mini cd also has fluxbox, not configured good, but still it's there. I am totaly a debian person so i don't think i'll install it yet.

I was wondering though, when running from the livecd it was really slow. I mean i've run lots of livecd's on this computer and sabayon has the longest boot time i've ever seen.

How is the speed of your installed sabayon? is the boot time really long? How responsive are the kde apps in sabayon?

Thanks

[RAV TUX]

I am still attempting the download, trying the Bittorrent now......on a side note I reinstalled 3.0 RC2.....I missed the Bling of Sabayon...

don't forget to take the Top Distro Poll,...here:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1549432
or here:
http://cafelinux.org/forums/index.php/topic,375.0.html

[mips]

I'm writing this from the livecd, busy re-installing it as I type.

The thing that amazes me is that even the livecd feels so much more responsive than my standard kubuntu install.

The livecd installer is also great, very good piece of work.

Once installed and i get emerge to work, then sort out a few minor issues i might just stay for good thia time.

[xXx 0wn3d xXx]

I am going to try the x86_64 version. I couldn't get the bcm43xx drivers for my broadcom to work. Plus there was this weird hang at the start of bootup. I would hang for 10-15 seconds with no disk activity and then boot.

[mips]

I'm beginning to have doubts. Started a emerge sync and it's been going for over an hour now... I'm not the most patient of people.

lol, I also somehow managed to loose the default sabyon theme.

Waiting for emerge to finish so I can reboot to see if my xorg changes work.

Think i'll go watch some tv until emerge has done its thing....

btw: I'm using the 64bit rc2b cd. Don't want to download the latest mini version as I have limited bandwidth. how would one upgrade the distro to it's current status ?

[xXx 0wn3d xXx]

I'm beginning to have doubts. Started a emerge sync and it's been going for over an hour now... I'm not the most patient of people.

lol, I also somehow managed to loose the default sabyon theme.

Waiting for emerge to finish so I can reboot to see if my xorg changes work.

Think i'll go watch some tv until emerge has done its thing....

btw: I'm using the 64bit rc2b cd. Don't want to download the latest mini version as I have limited bandwidth. how would one upgrade the distro to it's current status ?
After syncing emerge run

emerge portage
as root. Anyway, I'm done with Sabayon. It takes about 2 minutes to boot and it keeps disconnecting me from the internet. I have had alot of problems with this distro. Ubuntu takes 30 seconds after I have fully configured it. It has potential but other then that it has nothing.

[mips]

I never got past the synching part. It timed out three times during the synching process.

I've decided to can it.

Has a lot of potential but I don't have the time to make it work right now.

[RAV TUX]

I switched back to Knoppix

computer #1....Ubuntu

computer #2....Knoppix

[Kulgan]

I'm working on an old comp, and it doesn't seem to want to boot into the cd (or rather, dvd). I have tried both in CD drive and in the DVD drive. In the first it sort of snags for a little while, then boots from the hard drive (mepis - that's the last thing I tried out).

Any ideas about it? I tried downloading the mini version, but I kept on being rejected by the tracker, so I gave up.

Thanks

K

[xXx 0wn3d xXx]

I switched back to Sabayon and everything is going fine. I chose the x86 version this time. It's fast, it looks good, and it works. I just had to fix a few overlay problems and then everything was fine. Now I am just learning to use emerge and I am getting quite good.

[Kulgan]

good for you :P

I don't really like sabyon - don't ask. It's just not my kind of thing. We all like different things :D

[RAV TUX]

I'm working on an old comp, and it doesn't seem to want to boot into the cd (or rather, dvd). I have tried both in CD drive and in the DVD drive. In the first it sort of snags for a little while, then boots from the hard drive (mepis - that's the last thing I tried out).

Any ideas about it? I tried downloading the mini version, but I kept on being rejected by the tracker, so I gave up.

Thanks

K

I would suggest not using the regular version it is not built for older computers....I have heard the mini version should work fine so you should keep trying to download and burn the mini version.

also give Aquamorph (morphix>knoppix>debian based) a try:
http://aquariusoft.org/page/linux/

[Kulgan]

well, I can't do it on my testing machine - I blew the processor right off!

mebbe I'll give it a try on lappy...

[rozojc]

Ok, I'm confused... Sabayon is based on Gentoo, and as such, it's should be a really fast distribution... Of course, the Live CD should be slow, but once installed it should be significantly faster than Dapper... But now I just read this whole thread and it doesn't seem so...

So, those of you who actually did a hard drive install; was it really faster than dapper? Did you try to recompile everything with emerge and then checked the speed?

I'm thinking if changing Ubuntu (I still think it's a great distribution but I'm looking for something faster), and I don't want to make a Sabayon install without any references...

[RAV TUX]

Ok, I'm confused... Sabayon is based on Gentoo, and as such, it's should be a really fast distribution... Of course, the Live CD should be slow, but once installed it should be significantly faster than Dapper... But now I just read this whole thread and it doesn't seem so...

So, those of you who actually did a hard drive install; was it really faster than dapper? Did you try to recompile everything with emerge and then checked the speed?

I'm thinking if changing Ubuntu (I still think it's a great distribution but I'm looking for something faster), and I don't want to make a Sabayon install without any references...

Installed on my harddrive and yes it was significantly fast...

also for a super fast distro, try Aquamorph

but my current primary OS is Knoppix (Debian installed with the Knoppix installer)

[Chaffar]

Ok, I'm confused... Sabayon is based on Gentoo, and as such, it's should be a really fast distribution... Of course, the Live CD should be slow, but once installed it should be significantly faster than Dapper... But now I just read this whole thread and it doesn't seem so...

Yeah it's based on Gentoo; but installing Sabayon is made using pre-compiled binary packages, whereas with Gentoo you can (and preferably should) install the whole operating system using source code.

IMHO a well-configured Gentoo shouldn't be any slower than Sabayon, if it isn't faster.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Sabayon looks like a great backup for me, I loaded the live CD and it detects just as much of my hardware as Ubuntu Dapper.
I will keep it around just in case I get bored of Ubuntu :D

[Kulgan]

could such a thing happen?

[SunnyRabbiera]

Well its in the matter of if future builds dont work for me as well as Dapper

[phersotty]

Sabayon works out of the box on a MacBook. I was absolutely shocked and stunned by the simplicity of it all.:KS

Unfreekin believable!

Installs grub no problem. Loads Beryl on startup

(type:
sabayon xgl when booting the liveCD)

and it also detects the Atheros wifi.

The weird thing is, is that they don't even realize how good it is on the MacBook. Hardly any mention of intel mac in their forums.

Seriously you've got to try this out if you have a MacBook. I am not thumbing Ubuntu. I have Ubuntu on my pcc mac mini, but for the MacBook Sabayon is perfect for the Macbook!

[igknighted]

Wait until you use portage... if you don't mind waiting for compiling, it is BY FAR the best package manager in linux

[SunnyRabbiera]

Nah, not in my opinion as the compiling takes a long time and installing stuff is not for the weak at heart.
I think Synaptic is the best package manager, dependancy resolution and stuff like that is easily fixed without the need of command line.

[Kulgan]

"best" depends on what you want, doesn't it?

if you don't mind spending that little extra time when installing, portage is great - but for noobs like myself, Synaptic is great.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Well as a package manager i think synaptic is better then a good percentage of its compitition in the dust...
YUM really sucks, Yast too.
Smart package manager is Alright but I can tell its not ready.
autopackage is promising, but still behind in nuber of packages.
Klik is alright but that too is lacking to me.
Synaptic is very good at its job, its both graphical but very good at what it does.

[Kulgan]

so long as it is not CNR... "click and run"... click and get REALLY pist off!

[d3v1ant_0n3]

I just found sabayon a few hours ago and I'm giving the Live DVD a spin.

I'm stupidly impressed. All my hardware has been picked up (Ubuntu was the one one to do that I think), AIGLX and Beryl running from the live cd is very cool. The DVD is LOADED- to the point of confusion almost.

I've only really used Ubuntu based distros so far(K/Ubuntu and Mepis) to any degree, but I'm seriously considering giving this a whirl. NOw to work out how to dual boot 2 distros....

*me goes to search*

Darn. Worked out my partitions. Worked out how to adjust GRUB. Ran the installer from the live dvd. Segfaulted. Crap.

[RAV TUX]

The latest Sabayon build is out and available for download!!!;)

SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.torrent (http://www.linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=3193&name=SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.torrent)


Sabayon Linux 3.2 x86 (formally known as RR4) a live DVD designed to transform a computer into a powerful Gentoo Linux system in less than 5 minutes. Gentoo Linux is a Linux distribution powered by a software install manager engine called "Portage". Besides functioning as a live DVD, Sabayon Linux can also be installed on a hard disk, acting effectively as an easy-to-use Gentoo installation disk. The live DVD includes a large range of desktop environments and open source software applications, such as KDE, GNOME, XFce, Fluxbox, KOffice, OpenOffice.org, FreeNX, amaroK, Kaffeine, etc.

http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3193

(downloading torrent now!)

[pay]

I still prefer Gentoo. I seem more in controll when I build everything and pick which programs to install instead of having a prebuild OS. If that made sense:confused:

[ixus_123]

I'm also downloading the torrent.

I hope I can burn it - getting weird DMA issues with Ubuntu. can burn CDs at 2x but it just wont take DVD at all at the moment :(

[pissedoffdude]

looks pretty cool but the dvd said that it would take 5 days so im getting the mini

[d3v1ant_0n3]

I was very impressed with the 3.1 live dvd, but the darn thing wouldn't install, and I ran out blank dvds. Makes for a very nice 'emergency' environment tho:D

[darkenedday]

I'm having some issues getting Sabayon 3.2, the links for http seem to be broken on there website, if there are any other free public mirrors could someone please tell me?


thanks!

[rsambuca]

Try distrowatch

http://distrowatch.cz/table.php?distribution=sabayon

Although, it is probably a lot faster if you use bit torrent. I have just finished installing 3.2, but haven't had time to play around with it yet.

[RAV TUX]

here is where I am at so far,....started the download around the same time I made my opening post.

[darkenedday]

Try distrowatch

http://distrowatch.cz/table.php?distribution=sabayon

Although, it is probably a lot faster if you use bit torrent. I have just finished installing 3.2, but haven't had time to play around with it yet.

tried the alternative links, the two free have only 3.1, madtux wants money (have money, nomeans to send it, no credit card) and I'm running windows, and for some strange reason, I never got more than 4kb/s on azureus using bit torrent, right now I'm running windows Vista beta 2 (ugh) and it doesn't have a bit torrent client by default, any suggestions?

[rsambuca]

I have been using utorrent on *******, which worked well for SL3.2, and I use ktorrent with ubuntu. I started it before bed and it was finished in the morning. I think you should just have patience as the download speed always seems to pick up after you have been going for a bit.

[RAV TUX]

download is done!....burning DVD now!!

[RAV TUX]

AWESOME!!!!!!!

I have never seen such a beautiful distro!!!

Sabayon KDE Beryl

this is live but I plan to install now I am in Love with Sabayon again!!!!

[RAV TUX]

another look at the default Sabayon desktop

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9256/snapshot1lf7.png (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1lf7.png)

[fuscia]

AWESOME!!!!!!!

I have never seen such a beautiful distro!!!

Sabayon KDE Beryl

this is live but I plan to install now I am in Love with Sabayon again!!!!

i'm glad you finally found one you like.

[RAV TUX]

i'm glad you finally found one you like.

Thanks

[RAV TUX]

Kuroo on Sabayon Linux 3.2 (installed;))

[RAV TUX]

******* (Full Screen) on Sabayon playing Eddie Izzard, Glorious "In Bed With God" chapter

[RAV TUX]

another ******* screenshot on Sabayon, still Eddie Izzard, Glorious "In Bed with God"

[RAV TUX]

Embracing "Easy" Emerge on Sabayon Linux 3.2 x86 (and Gentoo in general):

I will post screenshots of how easy emerge is:

using Emerge 101:

1. Sign into your root terminal:
a. open Terminal
b. type:
su
c. type in your "root" password

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3728/emerge1011io5.th.png (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3728/emerge1011io5.png)

2. search for your program: example: KSudoku

emerge -s ksudokuhttp://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8881/emerge1012oo9.th.png (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8881/emerge1012oo9.png)

3. search for dependencies(optional):

emerge -p ksudokuhttp://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3764/emerge1013jd0.th.png (http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3764/emerge1013jd0.png)

4. Install ksudoku:

emerge ksudokuhttp://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2725/emerge1014hm7.th.png (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2725/emerge1014hm7.png)

Then enjoy the fruits of your labor;)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4559/ksudokuor8.th.png (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4559/ksudokuor8.png)

all post and screenshots are made from Sabayon Linux 3.2 x86, respectively.

[pissedoffdude]

has anybody tried out the x86_64 version because im wondering if its worth downloading

[nalmeth]

I've been a fan of Sabayon for a month or two now, and this new release looks really nice.

Really nice.

But whats the deal with the default panels settings they have? It's a trivial thing to judge a distro on, but it always takes me a minute or two to adjust things to the way I like. I suppose it's the same with every other distro too.

Thanks for sharing all that, this is becoming a good place to find out more about different distros, first hand from users themselves.

[RAV TUX]

has anybody tried out the x86_64 version because im wondering if its worth downloading
I haven't tried it yet but will...since the Torrent takes about 3 days I will do this next week. I am sure that if the x86 build is any indicator the x86_64 version will rock also.

[RAV TUX]

I've been a fan of Sabayon for a month or two now, and this new release looks really nice.

Really nice.

But whats the deal with the default panels settings they have? It's a trivial thing to judge a distro on, but it always takes me a minute or two to adjust things to the way I like. I suppose it's the same with every other distro too.

Thanks for sharing all that, this is becoming a good place to find out more about different distros, first hand from users themselves.

The last release had a few wrinkles in it, but they all seemed to be fixed now.

[nalmeth]

Hmm, other than the slow boot, the only bug I noticed was an occasional slowdown, choke-up type effect.

On top of the other good things about it, this is one of the best Beryl Showcase CD's around, and overall a stellar job.

I'm downloading the torrent for the new release now, getting a decent rate! Way to go seeders!

[RAV TUX]

it is the most beautiful OS to date....

remember:


Once you've installed Sabayon, and you'd like to stabilize your package manager (emerge/portage), use the following commands.
emerge --sync
glsa-check -f all
dispatch-conf

After running emerge --sync, you may need to run emerge portage. Your system will let you know if this is necessary. If your system asks you to run etc-update, run dispatch-conf instead. This will bring you up to date and allow you to use your package manager normally. It is easier to do this step from the command prompt than by using karoo because at the command prompt you will get information on what is happening. The default answer to prompts from dispatch-conf is u. (update)
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tips

[RAV TUX]

Also don't foget to Enable XGL or AIGLX and Install desktop-acceleration-helpers after Install:
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Enable/disable_XGL_or_AIGLX_after_Install

EDIT: this step can be enabled on the new build upon installl

[RAV TUX]

emerge --help

localhost jozef # emerge --help


Usage:
emerge [ options ] [ action ] [ ebuildfile | tbz2file | dependency ] [ ... ]
emerge [ options ] [ action ] < system | world >
emerge < --sync | --metadata | --info >
emerge --resume [ --pretend | --ask | --skipfirst ]
emerge --help [ system | world | config | --sync ]
Options: -[abBcCdDefgGhikKlnNoOpqPsStuvV] [--oneshot] [--newuse] [--noconfmem]
[--columns] [--nocolor] [--nospinner]
Actions: [ --clean | --depclean | --prune | --regen | --search | --unmerge ]


Help (this screen):
--help (-h short option)
Displays this help; an additional argument (see above) will tell
emerge to display detailed help.

Actions:
--clean (-c short option)
Cleans the system by removing outdated packages which will not
remove functionalities or prevent your system from working.
The arguments can be in several different formats :
* world
* system or
* 'dependency specification' (in single quotes is best.)
Here are a few examples of the dependency specification format:
binutils matches
binutils-2.11.90.0.7 and binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1
sys-devel/binutils matches
binutils-2.11.90.0.7 and binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1
>sys-devel/binutils-2.11.90.0.7 matches
binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1
>=sys-devel/binutils-2.11.90.0.7 matches
binutils-2.11.90.0.7 and binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1
<=sys-devel/binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1 matches
binutils-2.11.90.0.7 and binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1

--config
Runs package-specific operations that must be executed after an
emerge process has completed. This usually entails configuration
file setup or other similar setups that the user may wish to run.

--depclean
Cleans the system by removing packages that are not associated
with explicitly merged packages. Depclean works by creating the
full dependency tree from the system list and the world file,
then comparing it to installed packages. Packages installed, but
not associated with an explicit merge are listed as candidates
for unmerging. WARNING: This can seriously affect your system by
removing packages that may have been linked against, but due to
changes in USE flags may no longer be part of the dep tree. Use
caution when employing this feature.

--info
Displays important portage variables that will be exported to
ebuild.sh when performing merges. This information is useful
for bug reports and verification of settings. All settings in
make.{conf,globals,defaults} and the environment show up if
run with the '--verbose' flag.

--metadata
Causes portage to process all the metacache files as is normally
done on the tail end of an rsync update using emerge --sync.
This processing creates the cache database that portage uses for
pre-parsed lookups of package data.

--prune (-P short option)
WARNING: This action can remove important packages!
Removes all but the most recently installed version of a package
from your system. This action doesn't verify the possible binary
compatibility between versions and can thus remove essential
dependencies from your system.
The argument format is the same as for the --clean action.

--regen
Causes portage to check and update the dependency cache of all
ebuilds in the portage tree. This is not recommended for rsync
users as rsync updates the cache using server-side caches.
Rsync users should simply 'emerge --sync' to regenerate.

--resume
Resumes the last merge operation. It can be treated just like a
regular emerge: --pretend and other options work alongside it.
'emerge --resume' only returns an error on failure. When there is
nothing to do, it exits with a message and a success condition.

--search (-s short option)
Searches for matches of the supplied string in the current local
portage tree. By default emerge uses a case-insensitive simple
search, but you can enable a regular expression search by
prefixing the search string with %%.
Prepending the expression with a '@' will cause the category to
be included in the search.
A few examples:
emerge --search libc
list all packages that contain libc in their name
emerge --search '%^kde'
list all packages starting with kde
emerge --search '%gcc$'
list all packages ending with gcc
emerge --search '%@^dev-java.*jdk'
list all available Java JDKs

--searchdesc (-S short option)
Matches the search string against the description field as well
the package's name. Take caution as the descriptions are also
matched as regular expressions.
emerge -S html
emerge -S applet
emerge -S 'perl.*module'

--unmerge (-C short option)
WARNING: This action can remove important packages!
Removes all matching packages completely from
your system. Specify arguments using the dependency specification
format described in the --clean action above.

--update (-u short option)
Updates packages to the best version available, which may not
always be the highest version number due to masking for testing
and development. This will also update direct dependencies which
may not what you want. In general use this option only in combi-
nation with the world or system target.

--version (-V short option)
Displays the currently installed version of portage along with
other information useful for quick reference on a system. See
emerge info for more advanced information.

Options:
--alphabetical
When displaying USE and other flag output, combines the enabled
and disabled flags into a single list and sorts it alphabetically.
With this option, output such as USE="dar -bar -foo" will instead
be displayed as USE="-bar dar -foo"

--ask (-a short option)
before performing the merge, display what ebuilds and tbz2s will
be installed, in the same format as when using --pretend; then
ask whether to continue with the merge or abort. Using --ask is
more efficient than using --pretend and then executing the same
command without --pretend, as dependencies will only need to be
calculated once. WARNING: If the "Enter" key is pressed at the
prompt (with no other input), it is interpreted as acceptance of
the first choice. Note that the input buffer is not cleared prior
to the prompt, so an accidental press of the "Enter" key at any
time prior to the prompt will be interpreted as a choice!

--buildpkg (-b short option)
Tell emerge to build binary packages for all ebuilds processed
(in addition to actually merging the packages. Useful for
maintainers or if you administrate multiple Gentoo Linux
systems (build once, emerge tbz2s everywhere) as well as disaster
recovery.

--buildpkgonly (-B short option)
Creates a binary package, but does not merge it to the
system. This has the restriction that unsatisfied dependencies
must not exist for the desired package as they cannot be used if
they do not exist on the system.

--changelog (-l short option)
When pretending, also display the ChangeLog entries for packages
that will be upgraded.

--columns
Display the pretend output in a tabular form. Versions are
aligned vertically.

--debug (-d short option)
Tell emerge to run the ebuild command in --debug mode. In this
mode, the bash build environment will run with the -x option,
causing it to output verbose debug information print to stdout.
--debug is great for finding bash syntax errors as providing
very verbose information about the dependency and build process.

--deep (-D short option)
When used in conjunction with --update, this flag forces emerge
to consider the entire dependency tree of packages, instead of
checking only the immediate dependencies of the packages. As an
example, this catches updates in libraries that are not directly
listed in the dependencies of a package.

--emptytree (-e short option)
Virtually tweaks the tree of installed packages to contain
nothing. This is great to use together with --pretend. This makes
it possible for developers to get a complete overview of the
complete dependency tree of a certain package.

--fetchonly (-f short option)
Instead of doing any package building, just perform fetches for
all packages (main package as well as all dependencies.) When
used in combination with --pretend all the SRC_URIs will be
displayed multiple mirrors per line, one line per file.

--fetch-all-uri (-F short option)
Same as --fetchonly except that all package files, including those
not required to build the package, will be processed.

--getbinpkg (-g short option)
Using the server and location defined in PORTAGE_BINHOST, portage
will download the information from each binary file there and it
will use that information to help build the dependency list. This
option implies '-k'. (Use -gK for binary-only merging.)

--getbinpkgonly (-G short option)
This option is identical to -g, as above, except it will not use
ANY information from the local machine. All binaries will be
downloaded from the remote server without consulting packages
existing in the packages directory.

--newuse (-N short option)
Tells emerge to include installed packages where USE flags have
changed since installation.

--nocolor
Suppresses color in the output.

--noconfmem
Portage keeps track of files that have been placed into
CONFIG_PROTECT directories, and normally it will not merge the
same file more than once, as that would become annoying. This
can lead to problems when the user wants the file in the case
of accidental deletion. With this option, files will always be
merged to the live fs instead of silently dropped.

--nodeps (-O short option)
Merge specified packages, but don't merge any dependencies.
Note that the build may fail if deps aren't satisfied.

--noreplace (-n short option)
Skip the packages specified on the command-line that have
already been installed. Without this option, any packages,
ebuilds, or deps you specify on the command-line *will* cause
Portage to remerge the package, even if it is already installed.
Note that Portage won't remerge dependencies by default.

--nospinner
Disables the spinner regardless of terminal type.

--oneshot (-1 short option)
Emerge as normal, but don't add packages to the world profile.
This package will only be updated if it is depended upon by
another package.

--onlydeps (-o short option)
Only merge (or pretend to merge) the dependencies of the
specified packages, not the packages themselves.

--pretend (-p short option)
Instead of actually performing the merge, simply display what
ebuilds and tbz2s *would* have been installed if --pretend
weren't used. Using --pretend is strongly recommended before
installing an unfamiliar package. In the printout, N = new,
U = updating, R = replacing, F = fetch restricted, B = blocked
by an already installed package, D = possible downgrading,
S = slotted install. --verbose causes affecting use flags to be
printed out accompanied by a '+' for enabled and a '-' for
disabled USE flags.

--quiet (-q short option)
Effects vary, but the general outcome is a reduced or condensed
output from portage's displays.

--skipfirst
This option is only valid in a resume situation. It removes the
first package in the resume list so that a merge may continue in
the presence of an uncorrectable or inconsequential error. This
should only be used in cases where skipping the package will not
result in failed dependencies.

--tree (-t short option)
Shows the dependency tree using indentation for dependencies.
The packages are also listed in reverse merge order so that
a package's dependencies follow the package. Only really useful
in combination with --emptytree, --update or --deep.

--usepkg (-k short option)
Tell emerge to use binary packages (from $PKGDIR) if they are
available, thus possibly avoiding some time-consuming compiles.
This option is useful for CD installs; you can export
PKGDIR=/mnt/cdrom/packages and then use this option to have
emerge "pull" binary packages from the CD in order to satisfy
dependencies.

--usepkgonly (-K short option)
Like --usepkg above, except this only allows the use of binary
packages, and it will abort the emerge if the package is not
available at the time of dependency calculation.

--verbose (-v short option)
Effects vary, but the general outcome is an increased or expanded
display of content in portage's displays.

[darkenedday]

ok, I have recently installed sabayon linux 3.2, I LOVE IT!!! But I am having one problem, on Ubuntu i configured internet connection sharing with firestarter, worked fine, however I need to enable both network cards, I can't find a GUI accept for knetworkmanager which is fine except that it only allows me to switch between NIC's it won't allow me to enable them both. . . HELP!

thanks in advance!

[kazuya]

RAV TUX,

you are the man. I just downloaded sabayon 3.2. I may be making that switch tommorrow or even tonight if time permits. That was my feeling when I first launched beryl on sabayon 3.1. It is great to know that I have someone here I could call on should I have gentoo related questions. lol.

I wouldn't be looking this way were it not for my exposure to Zenwalk. What is great about Sabayon is the ease of getting 64 bit smp support as well as regular x86 32 bit OS along with the speed.

I shall check the boot speed though as well as ease of use of emerge. I still like for kuroo to eventually be as easy and workable as synaptic if this is not already the case.

[RAV TUX]

RAV TUX,

you are the man. I just downloaded sabayon 3.2. I may be making that switch tommorrow or even tonight if time permits. That was my feeling when I first launched beryl on sabayon 3.1. It is great to know that I have someone here I could call on should I have gentoo related questions. lol.

I wouldn't be looking this way were it not for my exposure to Zenwalk. What is great about Sabayon is the ease of getting 64 bit smp support as well as regular x86 32 bit OS along with the speed.

I shall check the boot speed though as well as ease of use of emerge. I still like for kuroo to eventually be as easy and workable as synaptic if this is not already the case.

Embrace Emerge it's simply lovely!;)

[rsambuca]

I have been trying out the 64 bit version. I like the default looks. Pretty slick.

Still trying to figure out the whole sudo vs su stuff. Took me a while to figure out how to execute any root commands. I am quite new to the world of linux and ubuntu was my first foray.

I must say, I like it so far, except for a few bugs:

Probably about every other boot, it says audio device not detected, and then I have to run alsaconf to get it back. Pretty annoying.

Bootup is extremely slow. Rediculously slow, in fact. After it does boot up, everything I have tried so far runs OK though.

[RAV TUX]

I have been trying out the 64 bit version. I like the default looks. Pretty slick.

Still trying to figure out the whole sudo vs su stuff. Took me a while to figure out how to execute any root commands. I am quite new to the world of linux and ubuntu was my first foray.

I must say, I like it so far, except for a few bugs:

Probably about every other boot, it says audio device not detected, and then I have to run alsaconf to get it back. Pretty annoying.

Bootup is extremely slow. Rediculously slow, in fact. After it does boot up, everything I have tried so far runs OK though.

try the non-64bit version for a while;)

[RAV TUX]

another screenshot of Sabayon:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9288/snapshot15fz7.png (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9288/snapshot15fz7.png)

[RAV TUX]

ok another:

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/800/snapshot16kz5.png (http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/800/snapshot16kz5.png)

[RAV TUX]

one more:

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5050/snapshot17ds8.png (http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5050/snapshot17ds8.png)

[kazuya]

incredible. I'm on to it. Also, the slow bootup occurs on your first time logging in. Thereafter, next time you log in, it is faster.

[rsambuca]

I get a slow bootup everytime. I am downloading the 32-bit version and will try that instead.

[RAV TUX]

incredible. I'm on to it. Also, the slow bootup occurs on your first time logging in. Thereafter, next time you log in, it is faster.

Yes it even states that upon the first boot...after the first boot it is pretty fast overall...;)

[rsambuca]

RAV TUX, you may as well add the rotating cube pics to the top and bottom of the cube, and take more snapshots for us!

[RAV TUX]

RAV TUX, you may as well add the rotating cube pics to the top and bottom of the cube, and take more snapshots for us!

LOL....I think you get the idea...all that can be customized...including the background picture behind the cube...

for more information go here:
http://www.beryl-project.org/

[rsambuca]

LOL, actually I knew that. I had 3 different pictures of my kid: one on the backdrop, one for the cube sides, and one for the top and bottom.

I have just borked my ubuntu right now, so I am using XP until I fix ubuntu:(

[rsambuca]

I am downloading the 32-bit version and try that instead.

83.7%...

torrent download is going way slower for this than when I downloaded the 64-bit.

[RAV TUX]

83.7%...

torrent download is going way slower for this than when I downloaded the 64-bit.

took me 3 days

[rsambuca]

done. Hope it is less buggy for me than 64

[rsambuca]

now, to install sabayon or try and fix ubuntu first. hmmm...:-k

[yabbadabbadont]

I wonder how much of the official gentoo emerge program they are using? Rav, try running "emerge moo" and see what happens... ;)

[RAV TUX]

now, to install sabayon or try and fix ubuntu first. hmmm...:-k
install Sabayon....;)

[rsambuca]

install Sabayon....;)

OK boss. Burning now...

[RAV TUX]

I wonder how much of the official gentoo emerge program they are using? Rav, try running "emerge moo" and see what happens... ;)

LOL....your whacky;)

[yabbadabbadont]

LOL....your whacky;)

My location isn't "2 exits past crazy" for nothing... ;)

[RAV TUX]

My location isn't "2 exits past crazy" for nothing... ;)
ahhh I see that now!;)

[rsambuca]

OK, writing to you all from Sabayon 3.2 x86 liveDVD. So far, better than the 64 bit - I have sound without running alsaconf. Still problems with loading the nVidia driver so no Beryl - yet. ixnay posted a fix prior to installation for the driver. I'll have to go find that.

[RAV TUX]

OK, writing to you all from Sabayon 3.2 x86 liveDVD. So far, better than the 64 bit - I have sound without running alsaconf. Still problems with loading the nVidia driver so no Beryl - yet. ixnay posted a fix prior to installation for the driver. I'll have to go find that.

do you have a screenshot;)

[rsambuca]

do you have a screenshot;)

How's this?

[RAV TUX]

How's this?

awesome (beautiful family;)).....but when are you going to install it?

[rsambuca]

Have to install tomorrow. Too much stuff going on tonight.

[RAV TUX]

Have to install tomorrow. Too much stuff going on tonight.

hehe....Life is beautiful!

[jordanmthomas]

ftp://mudrii.ath.cx/sabayon/x86/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.iso
I'm using this one, and it's going well.

Of course, the main mirrors were fine until the very end of the download.
I'll post back to tell you if this one finishes correctly...only 18 minutes left!


**aaaaand, I just noticed this is 4 days old.

[rsambuca]

old schmold! I have just downloaded 3.2 again. Actually the last one was the 64bit (was too buggy for me). I'll see how the 32 bit does for my system.

[jordanmthomas]

In that case, you'll be glad to learn my download was successful and I am really liking Sabayon. Of course, you can use torrents so my link probably isn't even of use to you.

*grumble, grumble* stupid school blocking all my ports

[kazuya]

Is there a reliable link to download iso from? I have wasted two DVDs already on burning ISO of Sabayon 3.2x86. Please share link. Not the one on distrowatch, because that is what I used earlier on.

[rsambuca]

I went with the torrent download

[Perfect Storm]

OK, writing to you all from Sabayon 3.2 x86 liveDVD. So far, better than the 64 bit - I have sound without running alsaconf. Still problems with loading the nVidia driver so no Beryl - yet. ixnay posted a fix prior to installation for the driver. I'll have to go find that.

Tried this one?
In the menu press [F5]
then,

aiglx res=AxB opengl=nvidia

AxB is the disired resolution, eg; 1600x1200

[RAV TUX]

Is there a reliable link to download iso from? I have wasted two DVDs already on burning ISO of Sabayon 3.2x86. Please share link. Not the one on distrowatch, because that is what I used earlier on.

Stick with the LinuxTracker Torrent:
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3193

[RAV TUX]

I'm having some issues getting Sabayon 3.2, the links for http seem to be broken on there website, if there are any other free public mirrors could someone please tell me?


thanks!

Stick with the LinuxTracker Torrent:
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3193

I used Ktorrent on KNOPPIX 5.0.1(installed)

[RAV TUX]

A total of 11465 packages exist in portage.

http://packages.gentoo.org/categories/

[jordanmthomas]

I wish my school would cough up some cash so they could afford enough bandwidth to let us use torrents. Of course, they may be blocking them out of spite.

[RAV TUX]

3D Matrix, Emerge on Sabayon 3.2
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3842/snapshot28hd2.png (http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3842/snapshot28hd2.png)

[RAV TUX]

now I am just being goofy...

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7336/snapshot29ji7.png (http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7336/snapshot29ji7.png)

[drphilngood]

Super nice, Rav! Thanks for sharing.
I think I may dl it tomorrow and give it a go, too.:-k

[dbbolton]

which of these screenshots is 3.2 ? or are they the same ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d0/Sabayonlinux.jpg/800px-Sabayonlinux.jpg

http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=758&slide=16


i don't use kde and i don't use gentoo, so i have no idea whats going on. but, i love the top link, hate the bottom.

[RAV TUX]

Available now!
Sabayon Linux 3.2a x86 miniEdition (CD)
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3260

Sabayon Linux 3.2 x86-64 miniEdition (CD)
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3261

SABAYONLINUX 3.2 MINIEDITION SCREENSHOT WALKTHROUGH:
http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/?q=node/66

[rsambuca]

Downloading both as we speak

[dbbolton]

it seems like there hasn't been activity in weeks...

[23meg]

<badjoke>

Everyone must be busy compiling.

</badjoke>

[sloggerkhan]

I thought it was a funny bad joke....

[mips]

Trying the torrents but at current rate it will take a week. The .iso mirror servers time out and the the doesn't does not support resume...

Which would be the better one, x86 or x86-64 (I have a amd64 but wondering if there are any issues with the 64bit version)

[dbbolton]

that's actually probably true.

[fuscia]

<badjoke>

Everyone must be busy compiling.

</badjoke>

(dammit! beat again...)

[wieman01]

Is that a surprise in a Ubuntu forum?

[dbbolton]

why yes. it is.

[mips]

Well some of us are trying to get hold of sabayon 3.2 downloading is a biatch, like swimming in molasses.

[dbbolton]

no doubt

my torrent download said estimated time left: 100+ days

[mips]

no doubt

my torrent download said estimated time left: 100+ days

I gave up for now, will try again when the frenzy is over :)

[dbbolton]

i think i'm just going to buy the dvd. if i can bring myself to pay the RIDICULOUS ten bucks. ;)

[mips]

i think i'm just going to buy the dvd. if i can bring myself to pay the RIDICULOUS ten bucks. ;)

I wonder how long it will take to ship. i just want he cd, think the dvd has lots of bloat.

[dbbolton]

does the cd come with beryl too ?

[mips]

does the cd come with beryl too ?

yes, I'm pretty sure it does.

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2643

The World's first and fastest Gentoo Linux powered distribution now has made a new record, AIGLX and XGL support on a single, powerful and cutting edge LiveCD, thanks to Beryl, Emerald (and the Beryl Project team) and the full power of hardware accelerated GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap. We were the first to support XGL on a Live system, and now, we are yet again the first to support the future of the Desktop Linux platform. We are proud to provide you the best Linux experience.

SabayonLinux x86/x86-64 miniEdition, commonly called the "mini", is the CD release of the latest SabayonLinux x86/x86-64 DVD. The creation of this special version, has been made with an automatic script that shrinks down the whole chroot jail by removing every duplicated, useless or server-oriented package. The multimedia features of these special editions are kept intact. So, enjoy that beautiful piece of software on a single CD!

[23meg]

http://www.uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Gentoo

[RAV TUX]

Trying the torrents but at current rate it will take a week. The .iso mirror servers time out and the the doesn't does not support resume...

Which would be the better one, x86 or x86-64 (I have a amd64 but wondering if there are any issues with the 64bit version)
here is a screenshots of the torrents I started lastnight...the longest on the DVD downloads average 2-3 days

the Mini's average a day or less...

(I have used both the x86 and the x86-64...I have found no issues with either versions...try them both (try all four)

[mips]

here is a screenshots of the torrents I started lastnight...the longest on the DVD downloads average 2-3 days

the Mini's average a day or less...

(I have used both the x86 and the x86-64...I have found no issues with either versions...try them both (try all four)

Thx but I can only have one. bandwidth is expensive here.

I just started the x86-64 torrent and it is way faster than th x86 one. Getting 25KB/s at the moment.

[RAV TUX]

moving this thread to the Gentoo (and derivatives) forum

[RAV TUX]

moving to Gentoo (and derivatives) forum

[mips]

Thx but I can only have one. bandwidth is expensive here.


lol, how's this for bad luck;

My download went fine through the night and this morning when I woke up it was at 97%. That is where it stopped.

Why, my bandwidth ran out and I had to top up. 3GB hard cap here.

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Well about 15min or so to go then it is done.

[mips]

does the cd come with beryl too ?

Yes. I'm booted with the livecd now. During bootup it asks you if you want either aiglx or aglx. Everyhting is there. One sweet looking CD this !!!

[mips]

Things are not going well here.

I have two drives sda & sdb. I usually install all my os' on sda in a logical partition. Sabayon wanted none of this irrespective of file system used.

So I installed it on my sdb drive where I have a backup /home partition. No problem as long as you dont select reiserfs.

Reboot, sabayon works !

Second reboot no go, corrupted file system ! Ok no problem lets boot into Kubuntu Dapper, no go, corrupted filesystem !

*** happend ?

I'll boot of knoppix and do some checks/repairs...

[RAV TUX]

Ok so we all know the page hit ranking for D.W. is for only entertainment purposes only....I just found it particularly entertaining to see Sabayon Linux beat back both PCLinuxOS, and Mepis to top them in the ranking....well deserved for an awesome OS.;)

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4324/snapshot7gj8.png (http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4324/snapshot7gj8.png)

[Rodneyck]

Actually I am downloading Sabayon via bittorent now. It sounds like a good distro and I am itching to play with something new. :p

[meng]

7 day timespan + recent new release. Hardly a surprise.

[xabbott]

Yea, pretty standard for DW. :P

It might get some buzz for having Beryl in by default too.

[xabbott]

Also, this is offtopic but...

I didn't really find anything note-worthy or impressive in Sabayon. Is the Beryl thing all that is getting it attention? Or is it because it is an easy way to get a Gentoo system?

[d3v1ant_0n3]

As a live cd to play in (rather than actually install and use) I much prefer Sabayon over Mepis or PCLOS. (incidentally, the only other distros I've actually installed and used:p). It looks more....finished than Mepis' live cd, and more bling than PCLOS's (admittedly good looking) live cd. Everything worked well for me too.

On the flipside, when I tried installing Sabayon, something went very badly wrong on the partitioning stage (I blame me rather than the software), and as a result, I now have a shiny fresh new install of Ubuntu:neutral:

[Rodneyck]

I downloaded the 3.2 dvd and gave it a go. I booted from the liveCD and was very impressed overall. I am not a big KDE fan, at all, but what they have done with the "start" menu was very impressive. It was sort of like Windows XP, ten times better and well organized.

I noticed it detected my zen micro music player in Amarok, something (K)ubuntu has not been able to do without a lot of tweaking. It come loaded with about every app imaginable, including game demos. Very impressive for people switching from Windows XP. It lets them see what is available.

However, I like things neat and uncluttered, a personal thing. I usually strip down the apps to only the ones I need. I could tell if I loaded this system, I would have my work cut out for me. I mean, choices are nice, but let me make them. Do we really need Koffice and Openoffice loaded at the same time?

The default theme almost made me queezy, a minor quibble. I know, I can customize it in a sec, but red. What were they thinking? It also had a very Windows XP-like start button that gave me the shivers.

The one thing the livecd did not detect, which sent up a warning, was my nforce4 Ethernet connection. I had no Internet access and was not sure where in KDE to start looking, so this would be my first priority...hello help forum.

Overall, I would definitely recommend this to someone. It came loaded with beryl and asked me which hardware acceleration I wanted to use, XGl or AIGLX...very nice. I hope ubuntu adopts this. The menu system was very fast, more so than Ubuntu, unfortunately, and this was from the livecd. My dislikes, again, KDE (yuck), still to child-like in appearance for me. I prefer a more professional looking desktop, just a personal preference, but one that ultimately is the deciding factor to stay with Ubuntu (gnome), for now.

[ethos101]

I am having the same problem with the same distro. I have Sabayon on my server computer and want to share my internet on my lan. I have 2 NICs in it: one to the cablemodem and one to my LAN switch/router. I need to use them both at the same time.

[mips]

Also, this is offtopic but...

I didn't really find anything note-worthy or impressive in Sabayon. Is the Beryl thing all that is getting it attention? Or is it because it is an easy way to get a Gentoo system?

Dunno. But I must say once installed everything just works ! You don't really have to fret about codecs etc

[mips]

However, I like things neat and uncluttered, a personal thing. I usually strip down the apps to only the ones I need. I could tell if I loaded this system, I would have my work cut out for me. I mean, choices are nice, but let me make them. Do we really need Koffice and Openoffice loaded at the same time?

The default theme almost made me queezy, a minor quibble. I know, I can customize it in a sec, but red. What were they thinking? It also had a very Windows XP-like start button that gave me the shivers.


Are you referring to the DVD or CD ? I'm sure the CD has less menu clutter than the dvd. I'm just taking a stab at it as I have not used the DVD but only the CD. There is still a bit of clutter but that could probably fixed in a jiffy.

I actually love the Sabayon theme. I prefer the red/yellow over the dapper blue of kubuntu. Suppose that is personal choice.

[mips]

Configure both interfaces and enable IP Forwarding.

This guide might help you, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111972

Also look at the Gentoo documentation which is great.

[Rodneyck]

I agree, it did all work, well except for my ethernet driver. Here is what I posted last night on the other Sabayon thread...

"I downloaded the 3.2 dvd and gave it a go. I booted from the liveCD and was very impressed overall. I am not a big KDE fan, at all, but what they have done with the "start" menu was very impressive. It was sort of like Windows XP, ten times better and well organized.

I noticed it detected my zen micro music player in Amarok, something (K)ubuntu has not been able to do without a lot of tweaking. It come loaded with about every app imaginable, including game demos. Very impressive for people switching from Windows XP. It lets them see what is available.

However, I like things neat and uncluttered, a personal thing. I usually strip down the apps to only the ones I need. I could tell if I loaded this system, I would have my work cut out for me. I mean, choices are nice, but let me make them. Do we really need Koffice and Openoffice loaded at the same time?

The default theme almost made me queezy, a minor quibble. I know, I can customize it in a sec, but red. What were they thinking? It also had a very Windows XP-like start button that gave me the shivers.

The one thing the livecd did not detect, which sent up a warning, was my nforce4 Ethernet connection. I had no Internet access and was not sure where in KDE to start looking, so this would be my first priority...hello help forum.

Overall, I would definitely recommend this to someone. It came loaded with beryl and asked me which hardware acceleration I wanted to use, XGl or AIGLX...very nice. I hope ubuntu adopts this. The menu system was very fast, more so than Ubuntu, unfortunately, and this was from the livecd. My dislikes, again, KDE (yuck), still to child-like in appearance for me. I prefer a more professional looking desktop, just a personal preference, but one that ultimately is the deciding factor to stay with Ubuntu (gnome), for now."

What I did forget to mention was that Ubuntu has a wonderful support system (forum) which makes up for some of ubuntu's deficiencies.

[mips]

lol, i replied to your other post a few minutes ago.

[Rodneyck]

I used the DVD and it comes loaded with about every app, or at least it seems like it, lol, available. I would definitely go for the CD if I were to install though.

I agree with the horrible "aqua" KDE default look. I like KDE for other reasons, some really good apps, but they need to rework the look. Do they really need that childish bar going up the menu? What purpose does that serve? Like I said, you can change most of the theme in a sec, except for KDE's side bar, so not a major thing.

I am sure you could probably uninstall KDE and install gnome on that system, much like you can with ubuntu, but I think Sabayon has heavily integrated itself into KDE. I could be wrong.

[mips]

Do they really need that childish bar going up the menu? What purpose does that serve? Like I said, you can change most of the theme in a sec, except for KDE's side bar, so not a major thing.


I'm pretty sure that is easily removable. I removed mine if I recall correctly. Just can't check now as my HDs are hosed.

[Rodneyck]

I'm pretty sure that is easily removable. I removed mine if I recall correctly. Just can't check now as my HDs are hosed.

Good to know.. I looked for a way but never found it.

Sorry to hear about the HD's...ouch.

[dbbolton]

hijack not intended, but i too have a "n00b" question:

without booting, i just loaded the 3.2 mini-cd to look at the files.

livecd.squashfs is marked as unreadable (eg, little red box with a white X - emblem). does this mean that there was an error during writing, or simply that "ubuntu" doesn't know what to do with the file? i'd really like to know before trying to boot it.

[Frak]

hijack not intended, but i too have a "n00b" question:

without booting, i just loaded the 3.2 mini-cd to look at the files.

livecd.squashfs is marked as unreadable (eg, little red box with a white X - emblem). does this mean that there was an error during writing, or simply that "ubuntu" doesn't know what to do with the file? i'd really like to know before trying to boot it.
Use VMWare server and create a VM and run it.

[RAV TUX]

I agree, it did all work, well except for my ethernet driver. Here is what I posted last night on the other Sabayon thread...

"I downloaded the 3.2 dvd and gave it a go. I booted from the liveCD and was very impressed overall. I am not a big KDE fan, at all, but what they have done with the "start" menu was very impressive. It was sort of like Windows XP, ten times better and well organized.

I noticed it detected my zen micro music player in Amarok, something (K)ubuntu has not been able to do without a lot of tweaking. It come loaded with about every app imaginable, including game demos. Very impressive for people switching from Windows XP. It lets them see what is available.

However, I like things neat and uncluttered, a personal thing. I usually strip down the apps to only the ones I need. I could tell if I loaded this system, I would have my work cut out for me. I mean, choices are nice, but let me make them. Do we really need Koffice and Openoffice loaded at the same time?

The default theme almost made me queezy, a minor quibble. I know, I can customize it in a sec, but red. What were they thinking? It also had a very Windows XP-like start button that gave me the shivers.

The one thing the livecd did not detect, which sent up a warning, was my nforce4 Ethernet connection. I had no Internet access and was not sure where in KDE to start looking, so this would be my first priority...hello help forum.

Overall, I would definitely recommend this to someone. It came loaded with beryl and asked me which hardware acceleration I wanted to use, XGl or AIGLX...very nice. I hope ubuntu adopts this. The menu system was very fast, more so than Ubuntu, unfortunately, and this was from the livecd. My dislikes, again, KDE (yuck), still to child-like in appearance for me. I prefer a more professional looking desktop, just a personal preference, but one that ultimately is the deciding factor to stay with Ubuntu (gnome), for now."

What I did forget to mention was that Ubuntu has a wonderful support system (forum) which makes up for some of ubuntu's deficiencies.

if you don't like KDE why didn't you just use Gnome or XFCE...it comes standrad with these choices...

as far as chioces it would take you 10 to 15 minutes tops to unclutter by using emerge to unmerge..

I didn't get your comparision to XP but this may be more from your own perspective....having used OS X at work....I found it a thousand times better then OS X....even more so to Baby Huey,...XP.

as far as help, by defualt Sabayon comes with a live help button....click to instantly connected to IRC channel #sabayon...I have always found someone helpful online....

[dakini]

Downloading appears much faster now. I'm downloading at close to 600 KB/s, and should have the entire iso in about 20 minutes or less, if things go well.

[Rodneyck]

I was playing around some more with the LiveDVD and I must say, I am starting to fall in love with this distro. I have a VEO Stingray webcam that I have been trying forever to get to work under Ubuntu. Research led me to some guy who had minimal success at getting my webcam to work with some IBM driver. I have yet to find anyone who got it to work under Ubuntu, let alone most other distros. I plugged it in running Sabayon and fired up Ekiga and it detected it immediately. It worked!!! I could not believe it.

Did I mention this system is fast, I mean really fast, under beryl no doubt? Menus fly open. I was using the AIGLX hardware acceleration setting, which must be the ticket. Is this a feature that can be installed under Ubuntu or just built into their distro?

All in all, a great way to try out just about every app that is out there. I went through several web browsers to compare. I have used Konqueror before, but don't care for it because of the way it handles bookmarks. I had read good things about Seamonkey on this forum, but it just reminded me of an old Netscape, and looked exactly like it appearance wise. It was fast, probably on par with firefox or swiftfox. The one that really impressed me was Opera, wow, loved the interface design and it was super fast. It has come a long way since I tried it under Windows many years ago, then it was sort of slow. I think I found my new favorite browser.

I really like the K Menu system they have installed. I actually uninstalled it and went back to using the default KDE menus just to see the difference. The default menu system was not as intuitive. The K Menu system groups everything which is nice, especially if you are dealing with all that software at once. I could find things in a snap.

I am really torn. I don't want to leave Ubuntu and its community, but Sabayon is two or three steps ahead of Ubuntu development-wise, speedier, excellent configuration detection, and ease of use.

[sloggerkhan]

I downloaded the 3.2 disk in less than an hour, but it doesn't like my comp. It freezes in boot. Oh well.

[dbbolton]

i installed 3.2 from the mini cd on a little 10gb partition on my hard drive. i went with the default settings for the grub, and now ubuntu isn't on there. it just says "sabayon" and "other." when i chose "other," it boots xp. is there a command line i can use in the grub to boot ubuntu?

or better yet, is there a way to put it back on the menu ?

[mips]

You need to edit your grub menu.list file which resides in /boot somewhere.

Do a search for Grub on these forums and you will find many posts on how to do it.

You should not have overwritten your original grub, instead editing the existing one to boot sabayon.

[mips]

hijack not intended, but i too have a "n00b" question:

without booting, i just loaded the 3.2 mini-cd to look at the files.

livecd.squashfs is marked as unreadable (eg, little red box with a white X - emblem). does this mean that there was an error during writing, or simply that "ubuntu" doesn't know what to do with the file? i'd really like to know before trying to boot it.

Did you compare the md5 checksums ? If they match you are fine.

[rsambuca]

Yeah, it did the same thing to me. The Sabayon grub doesn't seem to recognize any other linux distros. Just edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file (while in Sabayon).

enter "su" in a terminal, then you will enter your password.

add:


title ubuntu (or whatever you want the screen to say)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet splash
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic

In the section root=/dev/sda5, you will have to replace the "sda5" with the partition on your system where ubuntu resides.

[fuscia]

i installed kde with just the bare essentials (kdebase, kmail, amarok and not a whole lot more). it's working pretty well, but i'm wondering if i would get better performance out of sabayon, or would i just not notice a difference?

[mips]

Really hard to say. I just finished a 64bit sabyon install after my hd decided to get corrupted. Sabyon is definately faster than Kubuntu, The bootup is slower though. I have to start learning emerge though, but i supose it is not more complicated than aptitude.

Have not compared to Ubuntu+kde-base yet. I could probably do that tomorrow if you want as i have to install kubuntu again. I have to do a server install so i might as well start with kde-base and see what it's like.

I have sidux+kdebase on my slow lappy which feels blazingly fast though.

[mips]

Do they really need that childish bar going up the menu? What purpose does that serve? Like I said, you can change most of the theme in a sec, except for KDE's side bar, so not a major thing.


Go to Control Center->Desktop->Panels->Menus->K Menu and deselect 'Show side image'

[fuscia]

yeah, the bootup for sabayon takes forever. having to learn emerge was what got me to reinstall ubuntu (impatient, lazy and retarded is not a good combo).

does a server installation make things any faster, or does it just make more room? i've got plenty of room, so making space would be kind of pointless.

[mips]

Well a server install does not add all the crap that gets installed by default. Have you had a look at the "Ode to Kde-core" thread yet ?

[fuscia]

Well a server install does not add all the crap that gets installed by default. Have you had a look at the "Ode to Kde-core" thread yet ?

yeah, i've seen that thread, but thought of it only in adding kde to a regular installation of ubuntu.

[Rodneyck]

I did not run the 64bit Sabayon, but I was really impressed with the distro. Here is a thread were I gave my impression..

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=308996&page=7

I love it. KDE under Sabayon is much faster than KDE and Gnome under Ubuntu. The hardware detection is also more advanced. I am currently deciding if I want to replace it as my main OS and use Ubuntu on my second computer.

[fuscia]

well, i'm downloading the 3.2 mini version. i have two and a half weeks for christmas break. it will have been wasted if i don't make a giant mess out of my laptop. dang! i might even learn how to dual boot.

[mips]

I did not run the 64bit Sabayon, but I was really impressed with the distro. Here is a thread were I gave my impression..

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=308996&page=7

I love it. KDE under Sabayon is much faster than KDE and Gnome under Ubuntu. The hardware detection is also more advanced. I am currently deciding if I want to replace it as my main OS and use Ubuntu on my second computer.

I'm running the 64bit version, gentoo is true multi-arch so 64bit should be pretty trouble free. Sabayon is way faster than ubuntu/kubuntu. Emerge is not that hard to learn and once you have the knack it is actually less typing than with aptitude. I really think that sabayon is gonna stay on my pc and dispose ubuntu.

I reckon this distro is going to do really well in the future.

Only thing is they have to improve the boot times a tad.

[RAV TUX]

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/3460/snapshot8py2.png (http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/3460/snapshot8py2.png)

Well, deserved Sabayon is now ranked #4, even above Debian.

[mips]

EDIT: Never mind it's there now (Did you forget to post something.)

I'm still very happy with sabayon x86-64. getting to grips with emerge and it is really simple.

I actually think this distro is going to become VERY popular !

[RAV TUX]

I was playing around some more with the LiveDVD and I must say, I am starting to fall in love with this distro. I have a VEO Stingray webcam that I have been trying forever to get to work under Ubuntu. Research led me to some guy who had minimal success at getting my webcam to work with some IBM driver. I have yet to find anyone who got it to work under Ubuntu, let alone most other distros. I plugged it in running Sabayon and fired up Ekiga and it detected it immediately. It worked!!! I could not believe it.

Did I mention this system is fast, I mean really fast, under beryl no doubt? Menus fly open. I was using the AIGLX hardware acceleration setting, which must be the ticket. Is this a feature that can be installed under Ubuntu or just built into their distro?

All in all, a great way to try out just about every app that is out there. I went through several web browsers to compare. I have used Konqueror before, but don't care for it because of the way it handles bookmarks. I had read good things about Seamonkey on this forum, but it just reminded me of an old Netscape, and looked exactly like it appearance wise. It was fast, probably on par with firefox or swiftfox. The one that really impressed me was Opera, wow, loved the interface design and it was super fast. It has come a long way since I tried it under Windows many years ago, then it was sort of slow. I think I found my new favorite browser.

I really like the K Menu system they have installed. I actually uninstalled it and went back to using the default KDE menus just to see the difference. The default menu system was not as intuitive. The K Menu system groups everything which is nice, especially if you are dealing with all that software at once. I could find things in a snap.

I am really torn. I don't want to leave Ubuntu and its community, but Sabayon is two or three steps ahead of Ubuntu development-wise, speedier, excellent configuration detection, and ease of use.

honestly you don't need to be torn...I say use Sabayon....you can still enjoy the community here....and have the best of both worlds.

[RAV TUX]

EDIT: Never mind it's there now (Did you forget to post something.)

I'm still very happy with sabayon x86-64. getting to grips with emerge and it is really simple.

I actually think this distro is going to become VERY popular !

This distro was written up in a Linux Magazine I read at the bookstore as being the most advanced Linux distro....I honestly believe it is the best OS on Earth.

I love Emerge....and the built in repair on the live CD saved and fixed my Sabayon after I broke it...This will eventually become the top Linux OS...I predict.

[RAV TUX]

I'm running the 64bit version, gentoo is true multi-arch so 64bit should be pretty trouble free. Sabayon is way faster than ubuntu/kubuntu. Emerge is not that hard to learn and once you have the knack it is actually less typing than with aptitude. I really think that sabayon is gonna stay on my pc and dispose ubuntu.

I reckon this distro is going to do really well in the future.

Only thing is they have to improve the boot times a tad.

boot times are improved after you sync and update via emerge...

but honestly I never turn my computer off so boot time means nothing to me...

I have to say that I use and Love Sabayon....

Simply the best OS I have ever used....

I have to say the best idea Ubuntu could make is to switch to a Gentoo base,....

[dbbolton]

many thanks. it took me few tries to get it right, but it's good to go now.

it seems i had to put copies of the vmlinuz and initrd.img files onto /boot (located on hda4) from /boot on the the ubuntu partition (which sabayon calls media:/hda2)

[BigDave708]

Take the hits over the past month or even the past six months.

Over the past month, Sabayon ranks in at #10, beaten by Debian, PCLOS and Mepis. Give it another fortnight, and the rush around Sabayon will die down.

[Rodneyck]

If you are getting this info from distrowatch, then it is not a good indicator for any OS. It's basically a joke.

This was noted when ubuntu slipped behind Suse by several other forum members.

[RAV TUX]

Again gentleman read the opening post:)

I'll highlight in red the pre-qualification to this post:


Ok so we all know the page hit ranking for D.W. is for only entertainment purposes only....I just found it particularly entertaining to see Sabayon Linux beat back both PCLinuxOS, and Mepis to top them in the ranking....well deserved for an awesome OS.;)

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4324/snapshot7gj8.png (http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4324/snapshot7gj8.png)

I'll say it again the ranking is purely for entertainment purposes only...so is this thread.:p


If you are getting this info from distrowatch, then it is not a good indicator for any OS. It's basically a joke.

This was noted when ubuntu slipped behind Suse by several other forum members.

not so much a joke, jokes are funny but it is meaningless none-the-less...;)

[yabbadabbadont]

Albatross!

(hey, you said this thread was for entertainment... for some reason that Monty Python sketch always sticks in my mind) :D

And now for something, completely different. (and on-topic ((ish)))

Rav, are you still using Ubuntu at all?

[RAV TUX]

Albatross!

(hey, you said this thread was for entertainment... for some reason that Monty Python sketch always sticks in my mind) :D

And now for something, completely different. (and on-topic ((ish)))

Rav, are you still using Ubuntu at all?

yes on my secondary computer....

the same computer I have always run Ubuntu on....an old Compaq that originally had Windows 98se on it when a friend gave it to me....I have been considering running Xubuntu or fluxbuntu on it.....need to increase the speed somehow....but Ubuntu runs on it without fail...


but even more important....

I would like to hear more about the Monty Python sketch

[yabbadabbadont]

yes on my secondary computer....

I went into severe Gentoo withdrawal the night before last. I wiped Ubuntu and restored my Gentoo backups. (then I had two months of updates to work through) I've got 64G of free space on my second drive, so I think I'll put Edgy on it and then switch it to the Feisty repos. It will be interesting to watch it evolve.

EDIT: All I remember of the sketch is John Cleese, dressed as an old time cigarette girl, is carrying a sales tray through a movie theater, on which is a dead albatross. He keeps trying to "hawk" his wares by yelling, "Albatross!" Very weird, but I like that sort of humor.

[RAV TUX]

I went into severe Gentoo withdrawal the night before last. I wiped Ubuntu and restored my Gentoo backups. (then I had two months of updates to work through) I've got 64G of free space on my second drive, so I think I'll put Edgy on it and then switch it to the Feisty repos. It will be interesting to watch it evolve.

I still think a Gentoo based Ubuntu would be great.;)

[mips]

EDIT: All I remember of the sketch is John Cleese, dressed as an old time cigarette girl, is carrying a sales tray through a movie theater, on which is a dead albatross. He keeps trying to "hawk" his wares by yelling, "Albatross!" Very weird, but I like that sort of humor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_u7VGiMO0U
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_(Monty_Python_sketch)

[yabbadabbadont]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_u7VGiMO0U
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_(Monty_Python_sketch)

Thanks. The wikipedia link doesn't work as is, but was close enough for me to find it.

[RAV TUX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_u7VGiMO0U
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_(Monty_Python_sketch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_%28Monty_Python_sketch))
cool thanks for the link mips. lol....very funny:p

[RAV TUX]

moving to the Gentoo (and derivatives forum)

[RAV TUX]

moving to the Gentoo (and derivatives) forum

[confused57]

many thanks. it took me few tries to get it right, but it's good to go now.

it seems i had to put copies of the vmlinuz and initrd.img files onto /boot (located on hda4) from /boot on the the ubuntu partition (which sabayon calls media:/hda2)
I recently installed Sabayon and grub overwrote my Ubuntu grub on the mbr...what I did was reinstall the Ubuntu grub, using the live cd...then installed Sabayon's grub to the root partition(I opted not to have a separate /boot), then add an entry to Ubuntu's grub to boot Sabayon, using chainloading, e.g.
title Sabayon
rootnoverify (hd1,3)
chainloader +1

It was much easier for me to do it this way, using the live cd to restore grub:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351

[dbbolton]

i actually don't know how much longer i'm going to keep sabayon. buch of graphics glitches, can't get the wireless card working, etc, etc.

it might be fun to play around from the live cd once in awhile though.

[RAV TUX]

i actually don't know how much longer i'm going to keep sabayon. buch of graphics glitches, can't get the wireless card working, etc, etc.

it might be fun to play around from the live cd once in awhile though.

perhaps you don't have the proper hardware to support such a sophisticated OS?

I have had zero problems....

I have used Sabayon as my primary OS for months and I have never found a single OS so dependable, reliable and trouble free.

[scxtt]

sabayon is fantastic ... switched to it from kubuntu 6.06 and gonna stick w/ it for a while now ... didn't have to do anything to get Beryl working - and even tho it's pointless, it's fun :p

[RAV TUX]

.......by default Sabayon comes with a "Get Live Help" button....there is usually always someone on the #sabayon IRC to help you...;)

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6784/snapshot1kg9.th.png (http://img269.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1kg9.png)

[RAV TUX]

just wanted to document this somewhere:

If you have Sabayon Linux Installed:

open your Konsole

type:


suprovide your password for root

then type:


layman -d sabayonafter that completes do:


layman -a sabayonthen:


emerge berylWaaLaa!

(there are multiple ways to do it....this worked the easiest for me)

[RAV TUX]

This question was posed to me in a thread about KDE that I started...
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=319906

since it branched into a new subject I decided to start a new thread for it...


i went the other way as far as preference is concerned, but most people go through phases.

never tried sabayon. whats so special about it, and what differentiates it from the rest?

There was a great write up in Linux Magazine that articulated it eloquently....

I will attempt to do justice on the fly...

I have to say first that over two years I have tested and used over 200 OS's

I started Linux with Ubuntu and fully Support Ubuntu...

Sabayon is based on Gentoo, which utilizes ebuilds, portage, emerge...and being based on Gentoo adds stability, support, speed to one of the most documented distros (Gentoo)...

What I like about Sabayon is the reliabilty, speed and ease at which to learn....also great support community much like here...

you have to know I prefer big DVD installs...my most prized DVD is a 8.0 GB "Maxi" distro of KNOPPIX (which I had installed for about 6 months, one of the most reliable distros to install)....most recently I had rpath installed on my primary computer...very nice btw

Sabayon DVD installed is packed with what others would consider bloat....yet bloat usually only means you don't have the hardware resources or space to handle a big install...there is Puppy and DSL for those who fall in this category...or the "mini" versions of Sabayon.

I like that Desktop Accelerations come installed by default (Beryl) and the control panel for these is very easy to use....

The single best thing about Sabayon, as on any Gentoo based distro is Emerge...

Emerge is a pure pleasure......

well this is a start as to what I find special about Sabayon about 0.0298% of it...but I find it hard to put to words...

I realize that there is not one distro that is right for everybody....that is the beauty of Linux.

Ubuntu which I have installed on my secondary computer and is the Linux OS I started with has done wonders for the Linux community.

Sabayon is the cutting edge future of OS's....if you want to experience a Linux OS better then OS X or any other OS then try it....if you like it...Mazel Tov!,....if not stick with what works for you...

it's that simple

[DerHesse]

I tried it as mini-live-CD. I liked but only used it 10 minutes or so. Too bad it was a KDE Version, not like The DVD-Version that contains Gnome as well. The 3-D effects were great!!!
It was a pitty that I could run the live CD only once. The second time i tried it would not come up properly.
From what I can read, I will be giving it another try. I will finally overwrite my Windows partion. Haven't used for months :-D

[RAV TUX]

I tried it as mini-live-CD. I liked but only used it 10 minutes or so. Too bad it was a KDE Version, not like The DVD-Version that contains Gnome as well. The 3-D effects were great!!!
It was a pitty that I could run the live CD only once. The second time i tried it would not come up properly.
From what I can read, I will be giving it another try. I will finally overwrite my Windows partion. Haven't used for months :-D

What version?

and if you like Gnome...I suggest using Gnome in Sabayon....if you can do the DVD install (I did not realize this was limited to the DVD install?)

[DerHesse]

I used this one: SabayonLinux x86 3.2 miniEdition http://www.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=261&Itemid=2

[dbbolton]

it's curious... in this current session, i haven't seen any of those weird graphics problems.

say, how does one switch between kde and gnome ? i checked the sab wiki, to no avail.

[RAV TUX]

it's curious... in this current session, i haven't seen any of those weird graphics problems.

say, how does one switch between kde and gnome ? i checked the sab wiki, to no avail.

If you have done an install from DVD you can select your desktop at the login screen upon booting...I am not sure this option is available for the mini versions?

[ahaslam]

[B]Sabayon Linux 3.2a x86 miniEdition (CD)
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3260

That gave me my first corrupt download. I got a kernel panic on boot, spent some time messing with boot options & then checked the iso:


ahaslam@ahaslam-laptop:~$ md5sum /home/ahaslam/Desktop/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2a.miniEdition.iso
73828dffc4b514dc84a0877ca01dd885 /home/ahaslam/Desktop/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2a.miniEdition.iso

Not quite the 3ab21d6fd3b411de6b532dd62dd558e6 (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/sabayon/md5/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.miniEdition.iso.md5) that it should be :evil:

Surely this means that people are now sharing corrupt copies?

Tony.

[fuscia]

so, why is sabayon faster? aren't there things one could do with ubuntu to make it as fast? (talk slow.)

[RAV TUX]

That gave me my first corrupt download. I got a kernel panic on boot, spent some time messing with boot options & then checked the iso:


ahaslam@ahaslam-laptop:~$ md5sum /home/ahaslam/Desktop/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2a.miniEdition.iso
73828dffc4b514dc84a0877ca01dd885 /home/ahaslam/Desktop/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2a.miniEdition.isoNot quite the 3ab21d6fd3b411de6b532dd62dd558e6 (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/sabayon/md5/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.miniEdition.iso.md5) that it should be :evil:

Surely this means that people are now sharing corrupt copies?

Tony.

Tony....I have NEVER recieved corrupt copies before but you should always double check...thats what I like about K3B it checks before you burn

Always, Always check your md5sum! http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/812/1ptgnore3.gif (http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/812/1ptgnore3.gif) (http://%5b/COLOR)

[RAV TUX]

moving to Gentoo (and derivatives) forum.

[RAV TUX]

so, why is sabayon faster? aren't there things one could do with ubuntu to make it as fast? (talk slow.)

I honestly don't think so....remember Ubuntu is based on Debian....and Sabayon Linux is based on Gentoo....it's my experience that Gentoo in it's very nature tends to be faster....

someone once give me an excellent reason why this is but I have forgotten...

[RAV TUX]

& btw moving this thread to the Gentoo (and derivatives) forum.

[Rodneyck]

honestly you don't need to be torn...I say use Sabayon....you can still enjoy the community here....and have the best of both worlds.

Well, now I don't have to be torn. I uninstalled Sabayon today and switched back to Ubuntu. For the life of me, I still think Sabayon is one of the best OS's out there, probably better than Ubuntu in many ways, except the most important one, the community. Their support system is very young, from the wiki's to the forum itself.

If you want to know general info on say their equivalent to Ubuntu's synaptic, there are some nice guides (wiki's) and forum posts available. If you want help on something that may not be so common or less popular software issues, say for example changing the monitor's gamma (in gnome.) Ubuntu's "xgamma -gamma 1.4" does not work there and still today, no answer to my plee. Most of the support is for KDE, gnome is the underling on Sabayon which makes it even harder getting going initially. Not everything that applies to KDE, works under Gnome.

I was trying to install one of my favorite apps, Gnubiff, which must reside alongside the tools that you can add to the toolbar, such as Weather Report and Battery Monitor in the "add to panel" section. I decided to give the IRC a shot hoping someone there would know how to make it appear there. The answer to my question came in the form of... "I thought gnomes where something you put in the front yard." That was it for me.

We tend to think the major hardware compatibility issues are the important issues to address, but there are many non-compatible littler issues that creep up that demand just as much attention. This is where Ubuntu shines. I don't think there has been one search in ubuntu's forum that has not provided me with an answer to my question, or a reference elsewhere for investigation.

Give their forums another two years and the seasoning should make the experience enjoyable and balance the scales of a great OS with equally great support. Gnome users, I would advise giving it a pass, unless you want to go it alone. Also, there were a few strange occurrences involving apps using gnome on Sabayon. For instance, every word processing app I pulled up refused to spell check my document, even though the option was activated, very odd. This happened in Kword, Open Office and Abiword. Also, their gui package installer called Karoo or something like that (KDE app, go figure) would only work the first time, then crash if you pulled it up again, until you rebooted. Then it was rinse and repeat, so you had one shot each session, frustrating. I ended up using the Terminal equivalent called emerge, which took forever to find apps. You also could not determine if it was actually working while doing its search, or not, as there was only a flashing cursor as an indicator. I love synaptic after that experience.

In the end, I went screaming back to Gnome supported Ubuntu. Here at least, the KDE people have their own Kubuntu forum for help if they can't find it here, no such luck on Sabayon for Gnomers. Keeping it real...and glad to be home.

[RAV TUX]

Well, now I don't have to be torn. I uninstalled Sabayon today and switched back to Ubuntu. For the life of me, I still think Sabayon is one of the best OS's out there, probably better than Ubuntu in many ways, except the most important one, the community. Their support system is very young, from the wiki's to the forum itself.

If you want to know general info on say their equivalent to Ubuntu's synaptic, there are some nice guides (wiki's) and forum posts available. If you want help on something that may not be so common or less popular software issues, say for example changing the monitor's gamma (in gnome.) Ubuntu's "xgamma -gamma 1.4" does not work there and still today, no answer to my plee. Most of the support is for KDE, gnome is the underling on Sabayon which makes it even harder getting going initially. Not everything that applies to KDE, works under Gnome.

I was trying to install one of my favorite apps, Gnubiff, which must reside alongside the tools that you can add to the toolbar, such as Weather Report and Battery Monitor in the "add to panel" section. I decided to give the IRC a shot hoping someone there would know how to make it appear there. The answer to my question came in the form of... "I thought gnomes where something you put in the front yard." That was it for me.

We tend to think the major hardware compatibility issues are the important issues to address, but there are many non-compatible littler issues that creep up that demand just as much attention. This is where Ubuntu shines. I don't think there has been one search in ubuntu's forum that has not provided me with an answer to my question, or a reference elsewhere for investigation.

Give their forums another two years and the seasoning should make the experience enjoyable and balance the scales of a great OS with equally great support. Gnome users, I would advise giving it a pass, unless you want to go it alone. Also, there were a few strange occurrences involving apps using gnome on Sabayon. For instance, every word processing app I pulled up refused to spell check my document, even though the option was activated, very odd. This happened in Kword, Open Office and Abiword. Also, their gui package installer called Karoo or something like that (KDE app, go figure) would only work the first time, then crash if you pulled it up again, until you rebooted. Then it was rinse and repeat, so you had one shot each session, frustrating. I ended up using the Terminal equivalent called emerge, which took forever to find apps. You also could not determine if it was actually working while doing its search, or not, as there was only a flashing cursor as an indicator. I love synaptic after that experience.

In the end, I went screaming back to Gnome supported Ubuntu. Here at least, the KDE people have their own Kubuntu forum for help if they can't find it here, no such luck on Sabayon for Gnomers. Keeping it real...and glad to be home.

Actually your mistake was only looking for Sabayon support....Sabayon is based on Gentoo....so when I need help I search Gentoo documentation....so a simple Google search does the trick since Gentoo is the most documented Distro out there....

but honestly I have never had a problem finding "Live" help.....at #sabayon IRC channel...which they have even included a desktop icon so you can click and directly link for "live" help...

I guess the difference here is Sabayon is a new and small community so socialization is a bit more direct and one on one....the developers are rarely NOT accessible "Live" and if you are friendly enough to establish working relationships they are even accessible via IM....

the big difference from Ubuntu to any distro is there is NO Linux distro with the superior support forum as found here at UbuntuForums....this and so many other reasons is why I am here....I still use Ubuntu on my secondary computer...and am very active in key Ubuntu projects....IE: NU Ubuntu Team(Northeastern US Ubuntu LoCo Team)....CafeUbuntu Team and other projects......

and I am always here...the beauty of the Ubuntuforums.org is they also provide forums and support for "Other OS's" including but not limited to Sabayon Linux and Gentoo.....since I actively use Sabayon on my primary computer I am always available for support here,...all though admitely I am new to Sabayon/Gentoo.....I also have tested over 200 other OS's so I can be of help for many other Linux distributions...

I welcome you back to Ubuntu....but keep in mind that we are all part of the same extended Linux family so it is never a us or them scenario....this is the wisdom of Ubuntu-Geek, KiwiNZ and other administrators and Ubuntuforums.org staff...is that when someone does a Google Search for Sabayon or any other OS.....it brings them to a developed forum and thread where they find real answers here...this is pure genius and true "OpenSource and TRUE Open-Minds" UbuntuForums.org is the most successful online community....and the main ingredient to the success of Ubuntu....my hat goes off to Ubuntu-Geek, KiwiNZ and other key developers in this forum....and I am glad to call ubunutforums.org my online home.

I am also glad to help here as a Ubuntuforums.org staff member.

Rodneyck...btw it took me about 15 seconds to find Gnubiff on emerge...I have been on most of the day here...you should have just asked me for help.

you could have installed your desired program even faster...under 5 seconds by running:


emerge -va gnubiff
also all your problems could have been easily fixed on Sabayon by using


emerge --syncthen layman

again this probably would have taken about 10 seconds on Google to find the documentation on Gentoo....and Gentoo has been around for a while...

also keep in mind the IRC is full of average users new to Sabayon like you and I,...the experience you had could have been from a random users...I know for a fact that the Major developers have not been on today...for the most part...and the comment was probably made as a joke....most IRC channels are like that.

[ahaslam]

http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/812/1ptgnore3.gif - lol

[mips]

Surely this means that people are now sharing corrupt copies?

Tony.

Could just be that it got corrupted during the download... has happened before.

[mips]

Use the Gentoo resources for sabayon ?

[RAV TUX]

Use the Gentoo resources for sabayon ?

Yes!, pretty much all the Gentoo packages and eBuilds work in Sabayon.....remember Sabayon is simply Gentoo pre-compiled;)

bookmark this link:


http://packages.gentoo.org/categories/

[mips]

Please see:

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17133
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2770

[RAV TUX]

Please see:

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17133
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2770

Mips I am not sure what do do on either one of these issues....my apologies mate.

I do suggest you search and post if needed in the Gentoo forums....simply just identify yourself as a fellow Gentoo user.

[mips]

so, why is sabayon faster? aren't there things one could do with ubuntu to make it as fast? (talk slow.)

Dunno.

Here's the weird thing. It's faster but uses less CPU resources & memory !!!

My CPU idles below 10% with my normal apps open. If I recall correctly in kubuntu it was at like 38% !!!

[Rodneyck]

Rav, thanks for the gnubiff help. The gnubiff versions I found through emerge were older versions, from memory, 2.19 to 2.2 available. Everyone of them would get an error after installation and could not continue. I then went to the gnubiff site and installed manually the 2.4 version. I got it installed. I must say, Sabayon handles ./configure..make...make install with ease. A lot of the time under Ubuntu, I get "warning...make error...no make install...yadda yadda :mad: "

The problem was not with installation, it was trying to make gnubiff appear in the "add to panel" apps, the only way to make it work properly in Gnome. You can just run it straight off, but it runs with an annoying visible popup picture of the penguine in a window. The way it is suppose to work, the app is added to the task bar and it animates when you have new mail, but you have to get the app to appear with the other "add to panel" apps first.

In ubuntu, through synaptic, this installs in that location, but not so under Sabayon. I hope that is clear. Anyways, I should have contacted you for help, my bad.

I am thinking about adding a third hard drive to my system and installing Sabayon on the second (this time with KDE) and downgrading Windows to the 20gig third drive. I only use it to play games. A project for after the holidays.

[RAV TUX]

Rav, thanks for the gnubiff help. The gnubiff versions I found through emerge were older versions, from memory, 2.19 to 2.2 available. Everyone of them would get an error after installation and could not continue. I then went to the gnubiff site and installed manually the 2.4 version. I got it installed. I must say, Sabayon handles ./configure..make...make install with ease. A lot of the time under Ubuntu, I get "warning...make error...no make install...yadda yadda :mad: "

The problem was not with installation, it was trying to make gnubiff appear in the "add to panel" apps, the only way to make it work properly in Gnome. You can just run it straight off, but it runs with an annoying visible popup picture of the penguine in a window. The way it is suppose to work, the app is added to the task bar and it animates when you have new mail, but you have to get the app to appear with the other "add to panel" apps first.

In ubuntu, through synaptic, this installs in that location, but not so under Sabayon. I hope that is clear. Anyways, I should have contacted you for help, my bad.

I am thinking about adding a third hard drive to my system and installing Sabayon on the second (this time with KDE) and downgrading Windows to the 20gig third drive. I only use it to play games. A project for after the holidays.

It's All Good, Rodneyck.;)

[dbbolton]

i too have a network problem.

i have to run 'iwconfig wlan0 essid alpha' and 'dhclient wlan0' everytime i boot.

it's a miracle that it even works, considering that i have a broadcom card.

[mgpower0]

Quick question does sabayon 3.2 x86_64 come out of the box with support for 32bit apps such as F@H's SMP client. Example i'm currently running Kubuntu Edgy 64bit and had to apt-get the ia32-libs to run SMP which is a 64bit app but uses a 32 bit core still. I know Gentoo 64 bit comes standard wuth the libs to run 32bit apps, just wondering if Sabayon is the same. Putting sabayon on both my 32bit boxes tonight, would like to put it on the 64 as well. Have both cd iso's burnt and ready to go.

[mips]

Quick question does sabayon 3.2 x86_64 come out of the box with support for 32bit apps such as F@H's SMP client. Example i'm currently running Kubuntu Edgy 64bit and had to apt-get the ia32-libs to run SMP which is a 64bit app but uses a 32 bit core still. I know Gentoo 64 bit comes standard wuth the libs to run 32bit apps, just wondering if Sabayon is the same. Putting sabayon on both my 32bit boxes tonight, would like to put it on the 64 as well. Have both cd iso's burnt and ready to go.

This might answer your question:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=16826
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Foldingathome

I also read somewhere that a gentoo user is using both cores on his amd64 X2.

[Redlance]

i downloaded the sabayon dvd 3.2 32bit version.. wont boot on my laptop HP pavillion with ati 200 mobility..
it hangs at the 3 window icon and stays. tried the music box as some have suggested but no dice. :/
tried noacpmi on f5 no joy there either.. read thier forums seems alot of ATI users have issues..

[robconscient]

I downloaded and burned the Sabayon 3.2 DVD. I played with it in Live mode, and was convinced to try an install. When I double click the "Install" icon, it tries to start, the hourglass runs appears for a few seconds, then it stops. Nothing else happens. I've tried rebooting a couple times with no success.

Any ideas? Or is this the universe's way of telling me to stick with Edgy? ;)

[kazuya]

Depending on your PC, there are many ways to launch Sabayon.
Sabayon is pretty damn good. To install it, I would recommend clicking on the update installer icon first.

Then click the installer button.


If this fails then upon rebooting, simply click on the INSTALL icon alone and not do the update installer.

One of these methods should work for you. If it fails look at their forum page at lxnaydesign.net.

[mips]

I dunno about the dvd but the mini cd also has a text based installer option.

[RAV TUX]

I downloaded and burned the Sabayon 3.2 DVD. I played with it in Live mode, and was convinced to try an install. When I double click the "Install" icon, it tries to start, the hourglass runs appears for a few seconds, then it stops. Nothing else happens. I've tried rebooting a couple times with no success.

Any ideas? Or is this the universe's way of telling me to stick with Edgy? ;)
odd I don't recall an hour glass of any sort on Sabayon Linux 3.2

are you sure your using the latest version and did you check your Md5?

check your info hash:
SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.torrent (http://www.linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=3193&name=SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.torrent)
eb1180509f416796783290e97d5ad8d858ac4cfb
this is from Linux Tracker
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3193

[RAV TUX]

i downloaded the sabayon dvd 3.2 32bit version.. wont boot on my laptop HP pavillion with ati 200 mobility..
it hangs at the 3 window icon and stays. tried the music box as some have suggested but no dice. :/
tried noacpmi on f5 no joy there either.. read thier forums seems alot of ATI users have issues..

did you ask for help at their IRC #sabayon?

[RAV TUX]

Interesting to see Sabayon at the #4 position.

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6043/snapshot19ab8.png (http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6043/snapshot19ab8.png)

[dbbolton]

i was attracted to sabayon (initially) due to the beautiful wall papers, but installed it because i wanted to try the functionality of gentoo... without the work. i admit to being ridiculously lazy.


however, i find myself constantly returning to ubuntu. i would like some opinions (specially from mips and rav tux) on this matter, because i'm quite ignorant. which operating system is better/worse in which facets and why ?

[mips]

Hmm, hard one.

I have 64bit Sabayon installed. Did it after some HD problems. I currently do not have Kubuntu on my pc.

I'm having a few issues with sabayon though. Some things are not working. I don't know whether I might have better luck with the 32bit version ? Another issue is it is something new and not familair with. Best resource so far is probably the gentoo sites


I like Sabayon a lot, so much so that I would like to work out the little niggles i'm experiencing.

With Kubuntu Dapper I have the 32bit version. The 64bit version was just a pain in the **** for me. In 32bit everything worked and I had no issues. Kubuntu is slow though, one of the first things you notice when using sabayon.

[RAV TUX]

using 32 bit version of Sabayon.....on my 64bit computer....I have all desktop accelerations(Beryl) turned off....I have no issues to mention.....other then me becoming more familiar with a Gentoo based system...

Which for the most part is a pure dream.....Emerge is awesome

On my primary computer I only use Sabayon(KDE)....(Ubuntu would not work on this computer)....I primarily use Sabayon.

on my secondary old computer I use Ubuntu(Gnome).....I will always use Ubuntu

I use only Sabayon and Ubuntu.

[dbbolton]

i too have a 64 bit processor but opted to install the 32 bit "mini edition." i get a lot of strange glitches when i run beryl, but they seem not to be there when i log in as root. i haven't had too much trouble with beryl in ubuntu, though, so i dont think its my computer (which is by no means a super machine: turion64 processor [~2ghz i think] 512mb ram with 128mb dedicated to ati radeon express 200m graphics card)

once i figured out how to use emerge/kuroo, i became much more comfortable with gentoo. however, i think the sabayon forums are a little weak. i still haven't been able to get my wireless card working.

so, for now, i still feel that ubuntu best suits my needs.

when i just use a plain kde session, i'm not sure which is faster- sabayon or ubuntu.

[kazuya]

Hello RAV TUX, I had something like that in the older RR4 Linux; Before they called it Sabayon Linux. At least I think that is what he is having. Well, if that does not help, please write back.

[mips]

i too have a 64 bit processor but opted to install the 32 bit "mini edition." i get a lot of strange glitches when i run beryl, but they seem not to be there when i log in as root. i haven't had too much trouble with beryl in ubuntu, though, so i dont think its my computer (which is by no means a super machine: turion64 processor [~2ghz i think] 512mb ram with 128mb dedicated to ati radeon express 200m graphics card)

I dont like beryl and decided to turn it off. Less weird issues without Beryl. Beryl is beta software and as such i do not expect much from it.




once i figured out how to use emerge/kuroo, i became much more comfortable with gentoo. however, i think the sabayon forums are a little weak. i still haven't been able to get my wireless card working.

so, for now, i still feel that ubuntu best suits my needs.


Yes the sabayon forums are very weak, it's a relative new distro. The beauty though is you can use:
http://www.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page
http://forums.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml

So support is not a problem, the gentoo documentation is truely lovely. Stuff I found a bit hard to do in ubuntu seems much easier in sabayon.

Part of the problem is I'm not familiar with gentoo, seems a bit foreign to me compared to debian. this will change though.





when i just use a plain kde session, i'm not sure which is faster- sabayon or ubuntu.

Compare apples to apples. If you use plain kde or kde-core on the one then do it on the other as well. There is no doubt in my mind that sabayon is faster than kubuntu and my kubuntu was customised with stuff like prelink etc. I'm gonna do the same on sabayon.

I'll reinstall Kubuntu Dapper again in the next few days and switch between them.

[RAV TUX]

Yes the sabayon forums are very weak, it's a relative new distro. The beauty though is you can use:
http://www.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page
http://forums.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml

So support is not a problem, the gentoo documentation is truely lovely. Stuff I found a bit hard to do in ubuntu seems much easier in sabayon.

Part of the problem is I'm not familiar with gentoo, seems a bit foreign to me compared to debian. this will change though.


Thank You Mips for pointing out what should be painfully obvious....for all intensive purposes Sabayon is Gentoo...so go to Gentoo for help and documentation....Gentoo is the most documented Linux OS, so if you can read and write in the Gentoo forums you should be able to find any solution for Sabayon.

[dbbolton]

i've been to the gentoo wiki many a time. it seems way too in-depth, if i'm looking for a solution to a simple problem. if i want to run start up programs in gnome, its as simple as sys>prefs>session>startup. i asked how to do the same thing on the sabayon forum, and some guy game me a link to a monstrous article on init scripts.

[RAV TUX]

i've been to the gentoo wiki many a time. it seems way too in-depth, if i'm looking for a solution to a simple problem. if i want to run start up programs in gnome, its as simple as sys>prefs>session>startup. i asked how to do the same thing on the sabayon forum, and some guy game me a link to a monstrous article on init scripts.

probably because it is exactly the same as in any other Gnome desktop...

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3217/screenshotzc4.th.png (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotzc4.png)

[RAV TUX]

Sabayon with a Gnome desktop is really simple awesome!

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3006/screenshotau4.th.png (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotau4.png)

[dbbolton]

the mini cd only includes KDE and fluxbox. i don't really plan on emerging gnome because i'd like to get to know kde a little better.

[RAV TUX]

the mini cd only includes KDE and fluxbox.

Thus the primary reason I only do DVD installs.(of any distro)

[RAV TUX]

Fluxbox on Sabayon.....toolbar on autohide;)

http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/9497/fallinginlovewithfluxboxz6.th.png (http://img273.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fallinginlovewithfluxboxz6.png)

[po0f]

RAV TUX,

Someone on the Gentoo forums uses Fluxbox with a solid black background, no toolbars. Imagine trying to use that computer (if you didn't know what was going on). :D

[RAV TUX]

Fluxbox on Sabayon.....(not on autohide);)

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4752/fallinginlovewithfluxbocj8.th.png (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fallinginlovewithfluxbocj8.png)

[RAV TUX]

RAV TUX,

Someone on the Gentoo forums uses Fluxbox with a solid black background, no toolbars. Imagine trying to use that computer (if you didn't know what was going on). :D

I love that idea...minimalism to the fullest extent

[RAV TUX]

RAV TUX,

Someone on the Gentoo forums uses Fluxbox with a solid black background, no toolbars. Imagine trying to use that computer (if you didn't know what was going on). :D

I actually like the default Sabayon background very much..but if I change I probably won't go solid black...but very minimal would be ideal...

I tweaked the toolbar a bit to get rid of the icons on the toolbar...

My wife actually also fell in love with Fluxbox she hates Icons of any kind...

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4661/fallinginlovewithfluxboen7.th.png (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fallinginlovewithfluxboen7.png)

[K.Mandla]

Very sharp. And yet ... Fluxbox on Sabayon? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? I thought Sabayon was all about cutting-edge eye candy.

[RAV TUX]

Very sharp. And yet ... Fluxbox on Sabayon? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? I thought Sabayon was all about cutting-edge eye candy.

Fluxbox is super lightening fast on Sabayon.

Ubuntuforums.org (vBulletin Version 3.6.4. ©2000 - 2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Ubuntu Logo, Ubuntu and Canonical © Canonical Ltd. Tango Icons © Tango Desktop Project) on Firefox [Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061117 Firefox/2.0], Firefox theme: "708090 lite", on Fluxbox 0.9.13 (Fluxbox Core Style: BlueNight) on Sabayon 3.2 x86 (DVD Install)

The beauty of the minimalism and the lightening fast speed are awesome!

[K.Mandla]

Kewl. Where's that wallpaper from? I want that for my Openbox install. :mrgreen:

[RAV TUX]

Kewl. Where's that wallpaper from? I want that for my Openbox install. :mrgreen:

here you go:


http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3950/sabayonlinuxzj9.th.jpg (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabayonlinuxzj9.jpg)

[mips]

The nice thing is Fluxbox is installed by default even with the mini-edition cd.

I usually added fluxbox to my kubuntu installs.

[bonzodog]

heh...heres my openbox on Zenwalk install using a black background and minimal green theme:
http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/data/518/medium/openbox1.png

[mips]

i've been to the gentoo wiki many a time. it seems way too in-depth, if i'm looking for a solution to a simple problem. if i want to run start up programs in gnome, its as simple as sys>prefs>session>startup. i asked how to do the same thing on the sabayon forum, and some guy game me a link to a monstrous article on init scripts.

Thats not a Gentoo issue but a KDE one. You are blaming the OS for the a absent DM feature.

If you want that functionality in KDE via the gui then look at:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=45975
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=35038
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32517
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32554

The above links cover Source code, Gentoo, Debian & Kubuntu distros.

[dbbolton]

i didn't mean to "blame" anything :)


i understand that a new desktop environment is not a new operating system and that a different operating system doesn't necessarily have a different desktop environment, but it so happens that i have a different operating system with a different desktop environment (from Ubuntu). so, i can see how that coupled with my ambiguity could give the impression that i have no idea what im talking about.

i have no problem delving into the gentoo wiki and actually learning How to do something, not just What to do in a situation. my anecdote wasn't meant to be deprecating, just an anecdote.

it may have sounded like "sabayon is harder to use than ubuntu" but i wanted to say "this particular scenario requires more comprehensive input in kde than it does in gnome."

[mips]

it may have sounded like "sabayon is harder to use than ubuntu" but i wanted to say "this particular scenario requires more comprehensive input in kde than it does in gnome."

Ok, now I read you loud and clear ;)

Btw, I'm battling my **** off to get the java plugin to work, probably user error.

[dbbolton]

java plugin on konqueror, or does it apply system-wide to all browsers ?

from the little that i've used konq, i think i prefer ffox, but i'm still open to change.

[mips]

java plugin on konqueror, or does it apply system-wide to all browsers ?

from the little that i've used konq, i think i prefer ffox, but i'm still open to change.

Konq, works fine with java.
FF 32bit did not work with java, it was fixed with emerge -va emul-linux-x86-java

So I think just about everything works now.

[encho]

I've decided to try Sabayon few days ago and I'm really loving it. Even the red theme. It works much faster than Kubuntu or Suse or any other distro that I know of.

To the topic: I had that problem on one machine. Not just the installer, but konqueror and other programs as well failed to run. I tryed runing it from konsole, and got some weird errors about display.

Solution: do not enable aiglx on startup. That worked for me. Try running konqueror from konsole and check the message.

Other solution: try burning the dvd again.

[RAV TUX]

heh...heres my openbox on Zenwalk install using a black background and minimal green theme:
http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/data/518/medium/openbox1.png

very nice.

[K.Mandla]

heh...heres my openbox on Zenwalk install using a black background and minimal green theme: ...
I'm having a flashback to my old Sperry/Unisys days. ... :shock:

[yabbadabbadont]

I only have gkrellm and a custom wallpaper randomizing script running in my fluxbox setup.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5536/screen20061221224616vq3.th.png (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen20061221224616vq3.png)

The wallpaper changes every five minutes since I have so many from which to choose. I snapped this shot while a "safe for work" image was being displayed. :)

Oh, this might be interesting...

/home/bubba $ cat .wallpaperlist | wc -l
52932
/home/bubba $ df -h | grep wallpaper
/dev/sda7 12G 6.5G 5.5G 55% /mnt/wallpaper

[dbbolton]

i left sabayon running and the fell asleep, so when i awoke my session was locked. i couldn't unlock it, because the keyboard didn't work.

i can't remember any strange errors like that in ubuntu. things like that tend to scare me.

[robconscient]

Thanks all - I will give the above a try.

[RAV TUX]

i left sabayon running and the fell asleep, so when i awoke my session was locked. i couldn't unlock it, because the keyboard didn't work.

i can't remember any strange errors like that in ubuntu. things like that tend to scare me.

hmm that has never happened to me on Sabayon.

that has happened to me in KNOPPIX (Gnome desktop)....I remember I just adjusted the setting to not lock the keyboard.

[dbbolton]

i think i'm going to buy one of the dvd's and do a fresh install.

at this point, i'm going to say that ubuntu will still be my main os for some time to come.

[dbbolton]

maybe i spoke to soon. the last time i booted sab, i had no errors that i can remember. im still trying to get used to emerge. if you could consider that emerge:aptitude::kuroo:synaptic (im just speculating), then i would have to say that i prefer the debian side of things in that case.

[dbbolton]

which desktop do you think fits better with sabayon ? i have yet to emerge gnome on mine.

[RAV TUX]

which desktop do you think fits better with sabayon ? i have yet to emerge gnome on mine.

hmmm.....I would say that Gnome, KDE, and Fluxbox are all nice on Sabayon...

you may have to tweak all of them to be comfortable and in your element.;)

[RAV TUX]

maybe i spoke to soon. the last time i booted sab, i had no errors that i can remember. im still trying to get used to emerge. if you could consider that emerge:aptitude::kuroo:synaptic (im just speculating), then i would have to say that i prefer the debian side of things in that case.
http://gentoo-wiki.com/MAN_emerge
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=1

[Redlance]

turns out im completely screwed. my laptop has a radeon mob 200 video card. (opengl is broken many versions ago) so whenever any opengl is tried on a newer kernel its an automatic hard freeze.

[RAV TUX]

turns out im completely screwed. my laptop has a radeon mob 200 video card. (opengl is broken many versions ago) so whenever any opengl is tried on a newer kernel its an automatic hard freeze.can you change the hardware out on your laptop....I have a R480 [Radeon X850 XT Platinum] video card on my desktop that runs like a dream on Sabayon.

[mips]

i downloaded the sabayon dvd 3.2 32bit version.. wont boot on my laptop HP pavillion with ati 200 mobility..
it hangs at the 3 window icon and stays. tried the music box as some have suggested but no dice. :/
tried noacpmi on f5 no joy there either.. read thier forums seems alot of ATI users have issues..

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1877

Also try booting with one of the following lines, sabayon xgl opengl=ati, opengl=ati, opengl=xorg-x11 xdriver=radeon, noddc

Have you tried the TEXT based installer which is an option at bootup ?

If you can get the OS installed the following might fix your problem:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Ati#DRI_problems_with_ATI_XPRESS_200M_PCIe

Also look into DRI.

If you have the OS installed you could always regress to an older driver or play around with various settings.

[rocknrolf77]

It's a strange experience coming from ubuntu to this defualt gnome desktop. Nautilus was the same in fc6 too. Can't understand how anyone can like having nautilus like that, opening in a new window everytime. Got it working the way I like now. And finally, no problems with window borders in beryl. Ubuntu have nice things that sabayon don't have and the other way around. But ubuntu is much more focused on making gnome look good than sabayon. This is the first distro where I feel a bit better using kde once in a while.

How can you get more packages? A lot of apps I like that I want to have like yakuake and exaile. :)

[dbbolton]

emerge/kuroo

[tchoklat]

Hello,

I have raised some of these issues in the beginners forum but still not clear on what I need to do to intsall Sabayon (Live DVD) on to my Edgy Ubuntu system. I am not familiar with partitions and the need to have shared swap drives etc.

Has someone the time and inclination to provide me with an easy to follow guide to install Sabayon (KDE) onto the Ubuntu (Gnome) system with one GRUB allowing me to select either at boot up?

Big ask, but there are some big shoulders out there!

I currently have an edgy system installed clean from the live CD.

Tony

[jordanmthomas]

You can use the Sabayon DVD to resize / move your edgy stuff the way you want and then install Sabayon in the free space you make. Tell it to not install a bootloader, and simply add Sabayon to you /boot/grub/menu.lst (on the edgy partition)
Here's what my Sabayon section of menu.lst looks like:

title Sabayon Linux x86 3.2
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.18-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/sda1 quiet init=/linuxrc CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 vga=0x318
initrd /boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.18-gentoo-r5
boot

You will, of course, need to supply the proper kernels, initrd images (located in /boot of your Sabayon installation), and you will need to fix root (hd0,0) to match your system. Say Sabayon is installed in /dev/hda5 ... you would need root(hd0,4)

The easier way would be to let Sabayon install GRUB by itself and it would automatically detect Ubuntu and add an item labeled other in the GRUB menu. Then again, what's the fun of letting it do it for you? :)

All you really need to make sure of is that there is a GRUB installed. It is very simple to add items to it later and people will probably be glad to help out if I stunk at explaining it,


As a side note, the Sabayon DVD installs KDE, Gnome, fluxbox, and enlightenment (e16). It doesn't give you the option to only install one, so if you are only wanting KDE you may want to try the Sabayon CD instead as it only has KDE and fluxbox.

[Rodneyck]

As a side note, the Sabayon DVD installs KDE, Gnome, fluxbox, and enlightenment (e16). It doesn't give you the option to only install one, so if you are only wanting KDE you may want to try the Sabayon CD instead as it only has KDE and fluxbox.

I used the CD and much prefer it. I found myself doing a lot of uninstalling of both OS's and applications with the DVD. BTW, with the CD you get KDE and Fluxbox.

[Kulgan]

downloading dvd. CD didn't work all that well for me...

[tchoklat]

fixed it myself now, thanks for the help guys!

[rai4shu2]

Sabayon (3.25c) installer seems to overwrite the first partition no matter what partition you install to. I had Windows XP installed on the first partition and ended up having to reinstall Windows.

I didn't lose anything important, so no big deal, but I wonder whether this is a bug in GRUB or in the Sabayon version of Anaconda.

[Kulgan]

You can reconfigure GRUB like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows

The partition in the command is for the LINUX partition that you want the bootloader to be put on. In other words, to edit the menu.lst file, you will have to edit the one on that partition.

[rai4shu2]

You can reconfigure GRUB like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Re...tallingWindows

The partition in the command is for the LINUX partition that you want the bootloader to be put on. In other words, to edit the menu.lst file, you will have to edit the one on that partition.

Is that a reply to my post? :-k

That URL ( I assume you meant https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows ) has nothing to do with Sabayon.

[Kulgan]

sorry about the mistake in the URL :P

the thing is the same whether it is sabayon or Xp that has destroyed the bootloader.

[Rodneyck]

Ok, this is a prime example of why I love Debian so much compared to Gentoo. I wanted to install the 3.2a mini version and then download and install the Gnome OS. The DVD has way to much bloat for me and by nature, I like my OS and applications streamline to what I actually use. What is the point of streaming through menus and icons to find your favorite app?

Anyway, I did some reading on a Gentoo howto page and it seems there are two ways to go about this, and both have negatives.

a) download through a terminal and then compile. Depending on your processor this process takes anywhere from two to three days, straight. Did you get that part? ](*,) I can't be away from my computer that long.

b) download a pre-compiled Gnome, much like a .deb and install. The downside to doing this is that it misses the configuring of many of the quick startups for applications, like open office, etc that are performed during option A above.

My alternative is to install the bloated DVD and live with all the applications as any upgrade (and they appear quite readily) will restore any application I remove, from what I gather.

Ugh!

[rai4shu2]

I see. Sabayon didn't destroy the bootloader. It destroyed part of the partition beyond the MBR (possibly the boot sector or a bit more).

[Kulgan]

I see. Sabayon didn't destroy the bootloader. It destroyed part of the partition beyond the MBR (possibly the boot sector or a bit more).

O.o

Never heard of an OS doing THAT before! Maybe it thought it was free space and tried to use it without your leave...

Rodneyck:

The gentoo install is not that hard if you know how, though it is very time consuming, compared to things like ubuntu. I didn't use sabayon long enough to go through an upgrade, but I must say that the DVD is VERY bloated indeed. I'd say it has more junk installed than windows does, but at least this stuff isn't doing wierd stuff with hidden processes.But seriously, how many programs do you need to do the same thing?

[manmower]

I wanted to install the 3.2a mini version and then download and install the Gnome OS.
Excuse my pedantry, but Gnome's not an OS, but rather a desktop environment.


a) download through a terminal and then compile. Depending on your processor this process takes anywhere from two to three days, straight.

That is the nature of Gentoo... If you cannot live with it why would you try Sabayon in the first place? Also, you can still use the computer while it is compiling (albeit only from the command line if you have no DE installed, but you could compile it from within Gnome for any future updates). Back when I tried Gentoo (which was way before I really got into Linux), you could even set the "niceness" of the compiling process to grant more resources to regular computer use while compiling. Compiling does not equal being unable to use the computer for anything else.

[yabbadabbadont]

Excuse my pedantry, but Gnome's not an OS, but rather a desktop environment.



That is the nature of Gentoo... If you cannot live with it why would you try Sabayon in the first place? Also, you can still use the computer while it is compiling (albeit only from the command line if you have no DE installed, but you could compile it from within Gnome for any future updates). Back when I tried Gentoo (which was way before I really got into Linux), you could even set the "niceness" of the compiling process to grant more resources to regular computer use while compiling. Compiling does not equal being unable to use the computer for anything else.


PORTAGE_NICENESS = [number]
The value of this variable will be added to the current nice level that emerge is running at. In
other words, this will not set the nice level, it will increment it. For more information about
nice levels and what are acceptable ranges, see nice(1).

[Rodneyck]

Well I sort of had a nightmare with Sabayon. I gave in and installed it on two of my computers, the 3.2a mini version. On my main computer, after getting everything re-installed (backed up goods, emails, files, etc) I decided to add a little app that was the equivalent of one I used under gnome, called gnubiff, one of my favorite. In KDE, there is Kbiff, an app to notify you of emails.

DO NOT INSTALL THIS APPLICATION!!!

What I did not realize is that it installed or updated "qt" which in gentoo/Sabayon bizaro world means death to your system, as I so learned the hard way. Fine, live and learn.

I installed Sabayon again with all my backed up apps. I then decided to update using the sabayon wiki which is a sticky in their forum and authored by the creator himself. You would think this would be safe. [-(

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tips#Installation

Following the guide above, it was this, "glsa-check -f all", command that installed/updated the dreaded "qt" again, thus killing the system. Apparently, several programs require this to be updated. It was the end of Sabayon for me. If installing a simple program or performing functions on the distros help guide cause it to kill the system, this beauty for all its eye candy, is not worth it. I would go so far to say that this system is probably comparable to ubuntu feisty at the moment, ie use at your own risk, bugs ahead.

My second computer, which I performed no updates on, lost its internet connection (my isp's fault) thus causing for some strange reason the sound application to stop working. It sent up repeated warning messages on the screen. Why the lost internet connection would effect the sound device is beyond me, but I smelled another bug.

Needless to say, I am back with ubuntu on both systems for the moment. A warning to those trying out Sabayon....back up everything valuable on disk...often.

[Lord Illidan]

Why would installing QT destroy your system???

[Rodneyck]

Why would installing QT destroy your system???

QT is installed, but certain programs and updating apparently updates the QT version and it for some reason, probably a bug w/Sabayon, causes the system to crash. You get a black or white screen on login with a message saying something like, "missing Kdeinit. ...." Do a search on Sabayon's forum under kdeinit, many posts of people in the same situation.

My question is since this is well known and has been for some time, by the dates on the posts about it, why have the devs not masked the package or done something about it? There is also another application, can't remember the name at the moment, starts with a "d" that will crash your system as well if installed or updated. It's listed on the forum if you search on kdeinit.

Very strange. The problem is that many people do not recommend updating/installing using Kuroo which is the only way you can detect if a program is going to install/update QT or this D?? app. If you use the terminal (emerge XXXXX) you must sit and watch what it updates in order to detect the qt program (and some of these installations take hours.) It's just bad, IMO, all the way around. I am very happy with Debian at the moment.

[rai4shu2]

Is this a 3.3.x to 4.1.4 breakage, or 4.1.4 to 4.2.x?

[Rodneyck]

Is this a 3.3.x to 4.1.4 breakage, or 4.1.4 to 4.2.x?

Not sure now that I am no longer running Sabayon, sorry. Check their forums.

[RAV TUX]

Not sure now that I am no longer running Sabayon, sorry. Check their forums.

honestly sounds like user error anyway.

[Rodneyck]

honestly sounds like user error anyway.

Quite the opposite, the forum has it quite covered and many have had their computer hosed like me. The best solution is to manually mask qt and the other app, debt or something close to that name, so no other app can install it.

Still, does not make me feel at ease using the distro.

[RAV TUX]

Quite the opposite, the forum has it quite covered and many have had their computer hosed like me. The best solution is to manually mask qt and the other app, debt or something close to that name, so no other app can install it.

Still, does not make me feel at ease using the distro.interesting ...what do the Gentoo forums say?

[yabbadabbadont]

interesting ...what do the Gentoo forums say?

Nothing. I found the posts about the problem in the Sabayon forums and it appears that the issue is with qt-3.3.6-r5. That version is keyword masked on Gentoo so that a user would have to manually add it to /etc/portage/package.keywords in order for it to be used. This issue is probably why it is masked.

[Rodneyck]

That "qt" package is not masked, I can confirm that... as I reinstalled the system twice as a result, and I did not force any packet.

[jordanmthomas]

* x11-libs/qt
Latest version available: 4.2.1
Latest version installed: 4.1.4
Size of files: 36,200 kB
Homepage: http://www.trolltech.com/
Description: The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application development framework.
License: || ( QPL-1.0 GPL-2 )
It's not masked, like Rodneyck says.
The thing is, I updated world a week or so ago and the new qt didn't mess anything up for me.
I have since done a reinstall (for unrelated reasons) and now I am afraid to upgrade.
Thanks for the heads up though.

[yabbadabbadont]

It is masked on Gentoo.... I thought that was clear from context. ;)

http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=qt

Edit: Actually, I clearly stated that it is keyword masked on Gentoo, so the Hell with context. :lol:

[jordanmthomas]

:-# I didn't even see your other post.

[rai4shu2]

I guess the tip for us newbies is to always do a emerge -vp package first and make sure it isn't about to do something major to your system.

[Rodneyck]

I guess the tip for us newbies is to always do a emerge -vp package first and make sure it isn't about to do something major to your system.

A very good idea for sure.

A tip for those that do happen upon this or any other kdeinit bug, is to boot into fluxbox which comes installed with KDE. You can then back up any important data. Unfortunately, as reported on their forum, the only fix to restoring KDE is to either use the disk's repair feature (which takes about 5 to 6 hours) or the best solution is to just format your hd and reload 3.2a mini from disk.

[RAV TUX]

A very good idea for sure.

A tip for those that do happen upon this or any other kdeinit bug, is to boot into fluxbox which comes installed with KDE. You can then back up any important data. Unfortunately, as reported on their forum, the only fix to restoring KDE is to either use the disk's repair feature (which takes about 5 to 6 hours) or the best solution is to just format your hd and reload 3.2a mini from disk.The disc repair found on the live CD does take overnight....but if you simple can't sleep I suggest using "The Sixth Sense"

much more faster and works flawlessly (at least for me and my hardware)

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337438

[FuturePilot]

Ok, well now that I've got Ubuntu up and running pretty much perfectly, I'm board. I would like to give Sabayon a shot, but I have a few questions. First of all, I've heard that Gentoo is like a build it yourself kind of distro. Would it be easy to use coming from a Debian based OS? I am willing to learn new stuff, but I'm just wondering if it would be like an overload. How is Sabayon with hardware detection, especially printers? One thing that is annoying with Ubuntu is that I've got 5 different printers (all HP) and not one of them prints right. I still love Ubuntu and plan on using it for a long time, but that's just annoying me. Is there an equivalent to Synaptic at all?
Thanks:)

[RAV TUX]

Ok, well now that I've got Ubuntu up and running pretty much perfectly, I'm board. I would like to give Sabayon a shot, but I have a few questions. First of all, I've heard that Gentoo is like a build it yourself kind of distro. Would it be easy to use coming from a Debian based OS? I am willing to learn new stuff, but I'm just wondering if it would be like an overload. How is Sabayon with hardware detection, especially printers? One thing that is annoying with Ubuntu is that I've got 5 different printers (all HP) and not one of them prints right. I still love Ubuntu and plan on using it for a long time, but that's just annoying me. Is there an equivalent to Synaptic at all?
Thanks:)Sabayon is Gentoo but pre-compiled Gentoo....so no building envolved....(maybe unmerge and emerge)

I came from Debian based distros and found Sabayon (Gentoo) easier

no overload....you will be surprised at how much easier it is

have never had problems with printers but anything is possible

Sabayon has out standing hardware detection...comparable to KNOPPIX

Equivalent to Synaptic? not really unless you count Kuroo? but superior to Synaptic is emerge.....embrace emerge and set yourself free from the shackles of the gui

[FuturePilot]

Thanks for the reply RAV TUX. You were the one that got me curious about Sabayon. I keep hearing you, as well as others, say how nice and beautiful it is. I'm really excited about trying it out now.
:guitar:

[pissedoffdude]

Well I have installed sabayon on my laptop and I am very impressed. This is the most beautiful distros and one of the quickest I have tried yet. Sabayon rocks :guitar:

[RAV TUX]

Thanks for the reply RAV TUX. You were the one that got me curious about Sabayon. I keep hearing you, as well as others, say how nice and beautiful it is. I'm really excited about trying it out now.
:guitar:Good Welcome!:D


Well I have installed sabayon on my laptop and I am very impressed. This is the most beautiful distros and one of the quickest I have tried yet. Sabayon rocks :guitar:

Now, your feeling me! :D

[zaratustra]

I have downloaded iso and burned a dvd. Beacuse of lack of time I didn't even put the dvd into laptop, but, because I was impressed by "impressedness" of users here, I recommended it to my friend, ubuntu was his religion. Now, he is calling me via ICQ, thankfully telling me that Sabayon is best disto he ever tried, everything, _EVERYTHING_ , is working out of box on his laptop. Just, his laptop isn't so new (he likes beryl and stuff), so Sabayon will be installed only on desktop. Just wanted to say that you have one mate more.

[Rodneyck]

I have downloaded iso and burned a dvd. Beacuse of lack of time I didn't even put the dvd into laptop, but, because I was impressed by "impressedness" of users here, I recommended it to my friend, ubuntu was his religion. Now, he is calling me via ICQ, thankfully telling me that Sabayon is best disto he ever tried, everything, _EVERYTHING_ , is working out of box on his laptop. Just, his laptop isn't so new (he likes beryl and stuff), so Sabayon will be installed only on desktop. Just wanted to say that you have one mate more.

Yes, I love these "initial" posts. Everythings a winner until you try to print, or wait for half a day to install something... or do to the fatal kdeinit (check their forums) qt update that hoses your system, yes, Sabayon is great.

Sorry for the cynical post, but making that distro sound like the cats' meow has to be tempered somewhat.

[mips]

Yes, I love these "initial" posts. Everythings a winner until you try to print, or wait for half a day to install something... or do to the fatal kdeinit (check their forums) qt update that hoses your system, yes, Sabayon is great.

Sorry for the cynical post, but making that distro sound like the cats' meow has to be tempered somewhat.

Different strokes to different folks. It works great for me and makes ubuntu feel like a snail.

I ain't running back to ubuntu for a while...

[Rodneyck]

Different strokes to different folks. It works great for me and makes ubuntu feel like a snail.

I ain't running back to ubuntu for a while...

That's true, it is fast and probably more stable at the core, although somethings obviously do not work well out of the box.

I have a love/hate relationship with this distro. I want to love it, but everytime I try it I run up against something that makes it not a useful distro (examples in previous post.) The initial impressions are, well, impressive especially the livecd, but my round-about-point is to wait and use if for a month before claiming it is the best distro ever. Then, I would still disagree with that statement. ;)

I hope the masters follow through on some of the problems in the next update, time will tell.

[mips]

That's true, it is fast and probably more stable at the core, although somethings obviously do not work well out of the box.

I have a love/hate relationship with this distro. I want to love it, but everytime I try it I run up against something that makes it not a useful distro (examples in previous post.) The initial impressions are, well, impressive especially the livecd, but my round-about-point is to wait and use if for a month before claiming it is the best distro ever. Then, I would still disagree with that statement. ;)

I hope the masters follow through on some of the problems in the next update, time will tell.

Well I'm using v3.25a and have been using it for 3 months or more now. I tried ubuntu again the other day and it felt dog slow to me.

I'm not upgrading to v3.26, I would rather wait for v3.3 and this time I'm getting the DVD image. Will uninstall the bloat I dont need on the dvd.

[zaratustra]

Yes, I love these "initial" posts. Everythings a winner until you try to print, or wait for half a day to install something... or do to the fatal kdeinit (check their forums) qt update that hoses your system, yes, Sabayon is great.

Sorry for the cynical post, but making that distro sound like the cats' meow has to be tempered somewhat.I love these people spitting around on everything that walks. Who are you to temper anything?

[mips]

Well he has an opinion and he is entitled to it in my book, good or bad.

[Rodneyck]

My comment was not directed at one person, just a plea to those newbies to give the distro a while before claiming its the greatest out of the box. A blind eye will not further develop nor fix the problems it has.

Mips, I was using the 3.2 mini. When you do upgrade the DVD to 3.3, won't that just restore all those apps again?

One other problem I had was with Konqueror on Sabayon. Whatever default plugins they have loaded caused errors on some of the webpages for me. I could never visit www.apple.com because it would crash on their main webpage. I am assuming that was a plugin problem, probably flash. In Kubuntu, Konqueror is rock solid.

With that said, I am keeping my eye on their forums and the progress of the devs in hopes to return to Sabayon as my main distro one day, just not today.

[RAV TUX]

Yes, I love these "initial" posts. Everythings a winner until you try to print, or wait for half a day to install something... or do to the fatal kdeinit (check their forums) qt update that hoses your system, yes, Sabayon is great.

Sorry for the cynical post, but making that distro sound like the cats' meow has to be tempered somewhat.It's to bad your having technical difficulties, perhaps you should honestly stick with Ubuntu or another OS, in Linux there are hundreds....I am sure one is just for you...if not build your own.


Different strokes to different folks. It works great for me and makes ubuntu feel like a snail.

I ain't running back to ubuntu for a while...

+1

I have been using Sabayon for about 4 months now and I have never found any OS so easy, Gentoo/Sabayon is perfection in user friendliness....and Sabayon is the most stable and fastest OS I have ever found....I never knew it could all be so easy and fun.

[Kulgan]

It seems to me that the time spent compiling gentoo is less than the time taken to uninstall all the bloat that's on the dvd. The CD doesn't work for me, for some reason... Hardware detection issues, apperently... And at least for gentoo you can leave it alone and do other stuff for most of the time. Whereas for sabayon, you have to sit at the terminal unmerging all the junk that comes with it. nope, i'm sticking with gentoo and ubuntu... and mebbe a couple more that I pick up along the road...

-K

[mips]

Mips, I was using the 3.2 mini. When you do upgrade the DVD to 3.3, won't that just restore all those apps again?


I never upgrade, I always do a clean install irrespective of which os/distro i'm using.

[mips]

It seems to me that the time spent compiling gentoo is less than the time taken to uninstall all the bloat that's on the dvd. The CD doesn't work for me, for some reason... Hardware detection issues, apperently... And at least for gentoo you can leave it alone and do other stuff for most of the time. Whereas for sabayon, you have to sit at the terminal unmerging all the junk that comes with it. nope, i'm sticking with gentoo and ubuntu... and mebbe a couple more that I pick up along the road...

-K

Is it really that bad. Why can you not create a list of packages and have a script running in the background unmerging the unwanted stuff.

If it is bad I will just go with the 3.3mini version then.

[Kulgan]

Is it really that bad. Why can you not create a list of packages and have a script running in the background unmerging the unwanted stuff.

To me, it IS 'that bad' to have five different programs that do about the same thing. But I didn't think of making a script to do it ](*,) Oh well, too late now :D

I'd still give it a try. Not everybody hates giant mutated menus and the like...

-K

[mips]

I'd still give it a try. Not everybody hates giant mutated menus and the like...


I don't like bloat. the only time bloat might come in handy is when you 'have to' use a livecd to fix things or somehting of the sorts, but for that I have a knoppix cd lying around somewhere.

[rplantz]

I'm running the 64bit version, gentoo is true multi-arch so 64bit should be pretty trouble free. Sabayon is way faster than ubuntu/kubuntu.

What do you mean by "true multi-arch"? How does Sabayon differ from Ubuntu/Debian's 32-bit chroot.

I've installed Gentoo on one of my disks. It took a looonnng time, but it does seem to run faster. I am running gnome. I was unable to get kde running well on either my Ubuntu or my Debian installations, so I don't have a good feel for how it. One thing I did notice is that konquerer seems very, very slow.

I still do not have my Gentoo completed. I'm stuck at printing. My configuration looks very similar to my Ubuntu one, but no go. I can talk to the printer with lp and lpr, but it's not pretty. And my apps claim to print, but the bits go off to never-never land.

If I install Sabayon, can I then treat my installation like a regular Gentoo one? One of my disappointments with Ubuntu is that I cannot simply switch over to Debian in it.

[yabbadabbadont]

What do you mean by "true multi-arch"? How does Sabayon differ from Ubuntu/Debian's 32-bit chroot.

I've installed Gentoo on one of my disks. It took a looonnng time, but it does seem to run faster. I am running gnome. I was unable to get kde running well on either my Ubuntu or my Debian installations, so I don't have a good feel for how it. One thing I did notice is that konquerer seems very, very slow.

I still do not have my Gentoo completed. I'm stuck at printing. My configuration looks very similar to my Ubuntu one, but no go. I can talk to the printer with lp and lpr, but it's not pretty. And my apps claim to print, but the bits go off to never-never land.

If I install Sabayon, can I then treat my installation like a regular Gentoo one? One of my disappointments with Ubuntu is that I cannot simply switch over to Debian in it.

Make sure that you are using ghostscript-esp and not ghostscript. ghostscript-esp has more, and more up to date, drivers than ghostscript. If I remember correctly, ghostscript is the default ebuild pulled in to satisfy the "virtual/ghostscript" dependency...

[rplantz]

Make sure that you are using ghostscript-esp and not ghostscript. ghostscript-esp has more, and more up to date, drivers than ghostscript. If I remember correctly, ghostscript is the default ebuild pulled in to satisfy the "virtual/ghostscript" dependency...

Thank you, I already did that one. I can use lp and lpr to print, except the print area is too far up and to the left. (Top and left are cut off.) But I still can't even print a test page from the gnome printers utility, let alone gedit, etc.

[yabbadabbadont]

Thank you, I already did that one. I can use lp and lpr to print, except the print area is too far up and to the left. (Top and left are cut off.) But I still can't even print a test page from the gnome printers utility, let alone gedit, etc.

I never used Gnome in Gentoo, so I can't help you there. The only thing I can suggest for that issue is to check your USE flags and make sure that all of the appropriate printing related ones are enabled. You also need to use "emerge -pv packagename" to check the USE flags that were in effect when the package was last emerged. If the two differ, you'll need to re-emerge all your gnome stuff again. :(

As for your other issue, if the margins and such work in Ubuntu, you might try copying the correct ppd file from Ubuntu to Gentoo. Or at least compare the two for differences.

[xmastree]

I've seen this in people's sigs, and heard that it comes with Beryl on a live CD so I thought I'd give it a try.

But...

Where do I get it from?

If you go to ubuntu.com, there's a download link on the front page.

Go to http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ , well there's a 'get SabayonLinux link, but while there is a reference to downloading it, there's nowhere to download it from. There are links to people selling it though...

There's a 'mirrors' link. Empty.



They'll need to do better than that. :confused:

[Steveway]

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2643
Here are the torrents for the newest release.
Use Azureus or your favourite Torrentapp.

[lzfy]

You have to clıck on the release notes. But I agree that it is not very user friendly.

[jdhore]

I've seen this in people's sigs, and heard that it comes with Beryl on a live CD so I thought I'd give it a try.

But...

Where do I get it from?

If you go to ubuntu.com, there's a download link on the front page.

Go to http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ , well there's a 'get SabayonLinux link, but while there is a reference to downloading it, there's nowhere to download it from. There are links to people selling it though...

There's a 'mirrors' link. Empty.



They'll need to do better than that. :confused:

Really, the only "effective links" are the torrent links...
Link to x86 DVD iso torrent: http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3406
Link to x86_x64 DVD ISO torrent: http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3407
here's an FTP mirror of both: ftp://dotdot.mine.nu/sabayon/iso

[kevinlyfellow]

I can't seem to find it easier... maybe their trying to save their bandwidth ;-) ... try the latest knoppix and at the boot prompt type in


knoppix desktop=beryl

[xmastree]

DVD only? That could be a problem...

[thisllub]

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=27

Like every distro I follow the link from Distrowatch.com.

Be careful installing it it will probably trample your GRUB configuration.

I have tried it for a month and although for the most part it is very good there are some things like Portage that really annoy me. I can't get any stability at all out of any Mozilla based browser. I believe it is because of the nsplugin (?) for 64 bit linux.

In my opinion apt-get is the best system.
If rdesktop worked properly under Ubuntu I wouldn't dual boot.

[Steveway]

Look at my Link.
The Mini Edition is for CD's.

[unbuntu]

They actually have FTP/Http mirror sites...but you have to do some digging on their forum to find that out. They're a relatively new distro and gained a quick popularity so they might be a bit short on bandwidth.

[xmastree]

Look at my Link.
The Mini Edition is for CD's.

Ok, got it coming in now. Thanks.

[RAV TUX]

moving to the Gentoo (and derivatives) forum

[xmastree]

Thanks Rav. I knew there would be a better place for it.

[Adamant1988]

I've got about 3 hours left on my download of this distribution, I'll let you guys know what I think. I'm hoping that it is friendly for my 64 bit laptop.

[RAV TUX]

I've seen this in people's sigs, and heard that it comes with Beryl on a live CD so I thought I'd give it a try.

But...

Where do I get it from?

If you go to ubuntu.com, there's a download link on the front page.

Go to http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ , well there's a 'get SabayonLinux link, but while there is a reference to downloading it, there's nowhere to download it from. There are links to people selling it though...

There's a 'mirrors' link. Empty.



They'll need to do better than that. :confused:

I suggest you download the torrents at linuxtracker.org:

http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-search.php?search=sabayon+

and remember Sabayon is Gentoo....Gentoo is the most documented distro on the planet Earth.....don't expect Sabayon to reinvent the wheel, refer to the Gentoo documentation for help....and use your friendly search engine...

Gentoo/Sabayon requires you to be able to intelligently solve your own problems...the tools are provided to you already...if you have exhausted all your efforts and fully utilized every document at your disposal...then go to the IRC channel irc.oftc.net>#sabayon

[aeto]

ahh yes sweet saviour..this is going to replace my broken gentoo :lol: I just need something to cut down the time it takes to compile everything and calculate all the values..however im also surprised that there is no easy way to get the mini-mees by http/ftp.

ok here u go: http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=23447#23447 (mini-me edition, didnt link it directly as i want to aknowledge the user who provided it)

[mips]

..however im also surprised that there is no easy way to get the mini-mees by http/ftp.


There is if you are willing to pay a buck or two. Sabayon does not have the resources some other distros have at this stage.

Here are two pay sites:
http://www.madtux.org/select.php?distro=Sabayon
http://www.thelinuxstore.ca/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=41_227&zenid=tmb60ugdccc7j2999ml5ksq722

[RAV TUX]

merged with similar stickied thread

[Frak]

Really, the only "effective links" are the torrent links...
Link to x86 DVD iso torrent: http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3406
Link to x86_x64 DVD ISO torrent: http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3407
here's an FTP mirror of both: ftp://dotdot.mine.nu/sabayon/iso
Thanks JD

[xmastree]

Hmm, well first impressions aren't so good. Screen stuck at 640x480 with the option to make it smaller? 320x200? Who runs that?
The only reason I tried it was to take a look at this Beryl thing I keep reading about. So I had a look at the config program on the desktop, and saw that there were basic settings in there.
But I don't think it was actually running, as things seemed to happen just normally.

I know, I'll try typing beryl in a console and see what it suggests.

Couldn't find a console, so I used alt-F2 instead. Started typing, and beryl-wrapper appeared, so I ran it.

This was different. I opened a small app, but this time I couldn't move it around the screen, so I couldn't see the minimise button. Minimised it from the taskbar instead, expecting something funky to happen, but it didn't.

Boo.

[RAV TUX]

Hmm, well first impressions aren't so good. Screen stuck at 640x480 with the option to make it smaller? 320x200? Who runs that?
The only reason I tried it was to take a look at this Beryl thing I keep reading about. So I had a look at the config program on the desktop, and saw that there were basic settings in there.
But I don't think it was actually running, as things seemed to happen just normally.

I know, I'll try typing beryl in a console and see what it suggests.

Couldn't find a console, so I used alt-F2 instead. Started typing, and beryl-wrapper appeared, so I ran it.

This was different. I opened a small app, but this time I couldn't move it around the screen, so I couldn't see the minimise button. Minimised it from the taskbar instead, expecting something funky to happen, but it didn't.

Boo.did you seek at help at #sabayon?

[xmastree]

No, I'll try it again when i have more time. I didn't give it a fair crack of the whip to be honest. I suspect that neither of my computers is really up to running beryl anyway.

[Rodneyck]

New review just in...

There is a newer distro in town, gaining traction. Sabayon Linux is an installable, Gentoo based live Cd/DVD. It has the stated goal of being 100% Gentoo compatible. A lot of attention has been paid to the Sabayon brand. Theming is consistent and striking. Sabayon is one of the best looking distros I have used. More...

http://www.linuxtechdaily.com/2007/02/review-sabayon-linux/

=D>

[mips]

Been very happy with it for the last 4 months to the point of where I don't even have any form of ubuntu.

[krimson]

i do enjoy using sabayon, but i absolutely HATE portage/emerge.

maybe ubuntu spoiled me, but all those stupid masked packages and everything, i cant stand it... i have sabayon 3.1 i think and i use gnome, and i really enjoy it, i just am jealous that my gf can just go to aptitude and update everything with like one command

[RAV TUX]

i do enjoy using sabayon, but i absolutely HATE portage/emerge.

maybe ubuntu spoiled me, but all those stupid masked packages and everything, i cant stand it... i have sabayon 3.1 i think and i use gnome, and i really enjoy it, i just am jealous that my gf can just go to aptitude and update everything with like one command

..the latest release is 3.26

I absolutely LOVE Emerge....emerge for me is the main reason I use Sabayon and stay with it....but hey that is just me:popcorn:

[confused57]

I have Gentoo & Sabayon both installed & I've found portage & emerge pretty easy to use...just have to get used to it taking much longer to compile packages from source.

In both Sabayon & Gentoo, I routinely do emerge --sync, however I read in the Sabayon forums that it's not recommended to do an --update world...I haven't been able to anyway, due to masked dependencies. I assume if I unmask one dependency to update, there would just be more to follow.

Added: Thanks RAV TUX, that's what I'll do...Sabayon is an impressive distro, like having Gentoo already compiled and configured, without spending weeks "attempting" to install everything.

[RAV TUX]

I have Gentoo & Sabayon both installed & I've found portage & emerge pretty easy to use...just have to get used to it taking much longer to compile packages from source.

In both Sabayon & Gentoo, I routinely do emerge --sync, however I read in the Sabayon forums that it's not recommended to do an --update world...I haven't been able to anyway, due to masked dependencies. I assume if I unmask one dependency to update, there would just be more to follow.

I routinely do:


emerge --sync


emerge portage


emerge layman

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[mips]

I routinely do:


You might want to add layman -S to that.

[RAV TUX]

You might want to add layman -S to that.

Thanks mips:popcorn:

[kazuya]

It is intimidating due emerge. It finally worked fine for me. Kuroo is not all that great. It is very slow compared to synaptic or netpkg or gslapt. I constantly change b/w sabayon and zenwalk now. Zenwalk seems faster for me on the same PC with all the samethings installed.

Ofcourse, Beryl in Sabayon is done great. I have gotten Beryl working fine before with zenwalk. It just seems faster to install and setup Zenwalk the way I want than it is with Sabayon.

This may be subjective. Also I get this annoying bug report thing or prompt from my gnome desktop in Sabayon. It is not that bad though.

Both of these distros had made coming back to Ubuntu or Debian an impossibility. They just fly. And they do so beautifully.

[RAV TUX]

It is intimidating due emerge. It finally worked fine for me. Kuroo is not all that great. It is very slow compared to synaptic or netpkg or gslapt. I constantly change b/w sabayon and zenwalk now. Zenwalk seems faster for me on the same PC with all the samethings installed.

Ofcourse, Beryl in Sabayon is done great. I have gotten Beryl working fine before with zenwalk. It just seems faster to install and setup Zenwalk the way I want than it is with Sabayon.

This may be subjective. Also I get this annoying bug report thing or prompt from my gnome desktop in Sabayon. It is not that bad though.

Both of these distros had made coming back to Ubuntu or Debian an impossibility. They just fly. And they do so beautifully.

both Zenwalk and Sabayon are awesome!

I also highly recommend rPath and Wolvix Hunter

[justin whitaker]

It is intimidating due emerge. It finally worked fine for me. Kuroo is not all that great. It is very slow compared to synaptic or netpkg or gslapt.

Funny, I thought I was the only one to notice that. I prefer using CLI instead....

[rai4shu2]

Kuroo needs to provide better feedback and make the purpose of its features more definite. It seems to my mind to present the user with a lot vague and confusing options.

[ahaslam]

Off the current topic a little...

Can the Quake 4 demo be played from the live disc?
I couldn't launch it on my laptop, but maybe it required Nvidia/ATi graphics...

I ask because I'm building a new desktop next week & it should be a good test of performance.

Tony ;)

[RAV TUX]

Off the current topic a little...

Can the Quake 4 demo be played from the live disc?
yes.

[ahaslam]

Cheers, I guess it just won't launch with inadequate hardware ;)

Tony :)

[rai4shu2]

I tried out Quake 4 once with a 1.5 GHz k7 5200FX nvidia machine, and it was pitifully slow. I got about 2 or 3 FPS overall. If you don't have a machine that's midrange or better by 2006 standards, you can forget about Quake 4.

[ahaslam]

Sounds like the perfect test for a new build & OC stability ;)

BTW, heard the news from Distrowatch? It doesn't sound too good, lets hope the dev's will be replaced quickly.

Tony.

[RAV TUX]

Sounds like the perfect test for a new build & OC stability ;)

BTW, heard the news from Distrowatch? It doesn't sound too good, lets hope the dev's will be replaced quickly.

Tony.
I haven't heard the news....have a link?

I honestly am not sure the new changes will have any effect,...it may just be a bunch of hype.

[RAV TUX]

ok NO news at distrowatch....


The Gentoo-based SabayonLinux (http://distrowatch.com/sabayon), with its innovative and often bleeding-edge approach towards building a Linux operating system, became one of the brightest new stars on the Linux distributions scene in 2006. Unfortunately, its growing popularity and user demands on the development team has brought about the distribution's first casualties - as announced last week, two SabayonLinux developers / contributors resigned from the project. Christopher Villareal (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=271&Itemid=2): "I have decided that I need to resign as SabayonLinux's co-lead and move on. I would like to focus more on my studies and graduate school but I hope to remain active in the Linux community." James Laslavic (http://www.geekperspective.com/blog/archives/32): "Effective immediately, I resign from my post as the art coordinator for SabayonLinux. So long, and thanks for all the fish." Let's hope that SabayonLinux will be able to weather this mini-crisis and move on to bring us more great new releases!http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070219#news

honestly I am good friends with both Chris and James, but you have to remember lxnay has always been the original developer since rr64 days, he is still at the helm....and it sounds like Dark Mage is taking over the art development...

so I see little if any change overall for Sabayon...

I do wish the best for both Chris and James in all their future endeavors.

new IRC channel is at freenode #sabayon

[yabbadabbadont]

The developer exodous from the Gentoo dev team continues as well...

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-541247-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-0.html

I'm thinking I left at the right time. :(

[Rodneyck]

These sorts of issues even happen on pay distros. Developers leave for better pay, in-house fighting, and countless reasons. There use to be another great source-based distro, actually they are still around I think, called Sorceror. From what I have read, real rock-solid despite their cheesy website.

They had some sort of in-house break-up and half the devs went off and created Source Mage which is also on distrowatch. Sorcerer suffered and went stagnant for several years, leaving users at a loss. I think they are back in operation now, not sure.

I guess the moral of the story is don't get to attached to your favortie distribution because you never know what tomorrow brings.

[doobit]

I'm always sorry to see good people go away, especially when the project they made together works to well.

[montgoej]

After all the talk and screenshots about Sabayon I've seen, I've decided to break down and install it. Goodbye PC-BSD(the partition I'm gonna erase to install it), hello Sabayon! Anyone got any tips for a new Sabayon user?
~Jordan Montgomery

[RAV TUX]

After all the talk and screenshots about Sabayon I've seen, I've decided to break down and install it. Goodbye PC-BSD(the partition I'm gonna erase to install it), hello Sabayon! Anyone got any tips for a new Sabayon user?
~Jordan Montgomeryuse the IRC channel and Gentoo documentation primarily for help with Sabayon....do not expect a well developed forum like here.

Use your fav. search engine also...and remember Sabayon is Gentoo so what ever works in Gentoo works in Sabayon...

but if you are fortunate enough like many people you will find that Sabayon is one of the few distros where everything simple works...

also download both the 3.26 DVD version and also the older mini-version just in case your computer isn't up to par for the DVD install

Sabayon is far better then PC-BSD and most other Linux distros....many Sabayon users dual boot Sabayon and Ubuntu...

I use both on different computers

Sabayon has been my primary OS for over 4 months.

[zaratustra]

The developer exodous from the Gentoo dev team continues as well...
Not good:((( I've read some posts there... Hope that they will make it up:(

[montgoej]

I downloaded the mini-cd cause I don't have a dvd-burner but Sabayon is...amazing. Fast install and it just works. I'll definately be using Sabayon Linux a lot. Through custom compiles of kernels and all the other stuff and ubuntu, it's never came close to the speed.
~Jordan Montgomery

[RAV TUX]

I downloaded the mini-cd cause I don't have a dvd-burner but Sabayon is...amazing. Fast install and it just works. I'll definately be using Sabayon Linux a lot. Through custom compiles of kernels and all the other stuff and ubuntu, it's never came close to the speed.
~Jordan Montgomeryexactly!,...now you understand just one of the many reasons why Sabayon is my primary OS.

[RAV TUX]

Not good:((( I've read some posts there... Hope that they will make it up:(

not a big deal...SUSE, Debian, even Ubuntu has had their fair share of change.

[FuturePilot]

Is there a way to force an earlier version of Beryl in Sabayon? 0.1.1 is the only version that seems to work flawlessly on my laptop.

[pirothezero]

well I am going to give it a shot like most people in this thread and install it on my laptop to check it out. I been looking for a distro to put on my laptop that will work with no problems and zero setup, curious to see how it handles the wifi connectivity.

Thanks for the idea.

[yigal.weinstein]

As a vegan or at least a person who believes eggs of other animals are unecessary and cruel way of eating Sabayon is a hard name to stomache. Ubuntu on the other hand is easy to stomache but has problems. Should I not worry about the name, or what?

[yabbadabbadont]

As a vegan or at least a person who believes eggs of other animals are unecessary and cruel way of eating Sabayon is a hard name to stomache. Ubuntu on the other hand is easy to stomache but has problems. Should I not worry about the name, or what?

Interesting. You have doubts about using a software project, because it is named after a dessert that uses eggs as one of the ingredients... :roll:

[Cloudy]

Stupid question time!

Where do I find the mini edition? All I can find is the LiveDVD.

[yigal.weinstein]

Interesting. You have doubts about using a software project, because it is named after a dessert that uses eggs as one of the ingredients... :roll:

You are correct. I won't let it get to me very much though. It looks pretty good and by default to.

[RAV TUX]

Stupid question time!

Where do I find the mini edition? All I can find is the LiveDVD.
Sabayon Linux 3.2 x86-64 miniEdition (CD)

http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3261


Sabayon Linux 3.2a x86 miniEdition (CD)

http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3260

also if you buy the latest edition of Linux Pro Magazine(March 2007) it includes a DVD of 11 small distros, it includes SabayonLinux 3.2 mini Edition

[Cloudy]

Thanks, RAV TUX.

[pirothezero]

well I am going to give it a shot like most people in this thread and install it on my laptop to check it out. I been looking for a distro to put on my laptop that will work with no problems and zero setup, curious to see how it handles the wifi connectivity.

Thanks for the idea.
So today I installed Sabayon on my ibm t41 after having issues with the first cd that I think got overburned and stalled the bootup of the kernel.

Anyways...

Things to keep in mind: I do not consider myself an awesome badass at anything linux related, so keep in mind if you read my thoughts that replies like "oh well distro x does that too if you just read it", etc. That very well may be the case, I wouldn't know. I am fairly new to ubuntu after a final move from windows about a week ago. However I have tried various distros since 2002-2003, just never could quite make the move completely over due to just wanting something that would just work, and I always run into something that would just break the entire system some how. Redhat --> Slackware --> gentoo --> gentoo --> ubuntu --> kubuntu --> sabayon is my track record over the last 3 years or so, as you can see periods where I had couple months of zero linux activity.

Anyways x 2...

I am completely blown away by it. Words cannot describe it imo. It's like coming across that perfect webpage that has everything you need one click away with zero spam, zero confusion, and zero problems.

Installation as mentioned was flawless, I used the dvd 3.25. Options and the way the menus were designed were intuitive and easy to follow/watch.

I have yet to find anything that doesn't work on my laptop in terms of devices and the automatic setting up of everything that would be useful is ingenious. For example my windows partition that i also have on here is automatically mounted. Wifi network manager perfect zero configuration. Ummm what else...the control panel has many options including emerald and beryl managers, haven't tried either yet though. Have yet to test out my 1993 laserjet 4 or my hp g55 printers or my ipod or external drives but I imagine there shouldn't be much problem in any of those departments.

Of the 5-6 desktops I have tried just gnome and xfce so far. Gnome is gnome but I do like the flavor that sabayon has made with the layout and such. The menu is amazing, a refreshing experience from the normal taskbar/menu that is commonly used in xp and normal kde/gnome distros. Not to mention every application I just about needed installed by default ready to go.

As for xfce I haven't been on it much just about 15 minutes so still checking it out but I am liking the speed it has.

Overall super impressed pretty much, what Rav said in his original post I have to 2nd completely. I have yet to play around with gentoo though since I haven't found anything I needed to install from portage yet, but I imagine it should be just about the same as when I was on gentoo unless they did something completely unexpected with that too. For a new user this distro would be helpful in so many ways, this is one of the best jumping into the deep end distros and not drowning immediately distros I have experienced. Personally as an amateur linux user who just converted completely, if the gentoo i had installed year or two ago been this I would have switched over completely.

As for problems I will make a list as I come across them, one thing did stand out though. On the second boot when I got into the desktop nothing would start. This was right after I rebooted after logging off of xp though and was wondering if maybe that had something to do with it so I shutdown and restarted and applications would start up again, might have been a fluke or something so I don't know, but it was the only frustrating thing I could think of so far about sabayon.

I'll be back after a day or two of playing around once I get some free time.

[mips]

Glad to see you are liking it.

[RAV TUX]

So today I installed Sabayon on my ibm t41 after having issues with the first cd that I think got overburned and stalled the bootup of the kernel.

Anyways...

Things to keep in mind: I do not consider myself an awesome badass at anything linux related, so keep in mind if you read my thoughts that replies like "oh well distro x does that too if you just read it", etc. That very well may be the case, I wouldn't know. I am fairly new to ubuntu after a final move from windows about a week ago. However I have tried various distros since 2002-2003, just never could quite make the move completely over due to just wanting something that would just work, and I always run into something that would just break the entire system some how. Redhat --> Slackware --> gentoo --> gentoo --> ubuntu --> kubuntu --> sabayon is my track record over the last 3 years or so, as you can see periods where I had couple months of zero linux activity.

Anyways x 2...

I am completely blown away by it. Words cannot describe it imo. It's like coming across that perfect webpage that has everything you need one click away with zero spam, zero confusion, and zero problems.

Installation as mentioned was flawless, I used the dvd 3.25. Options and the way the menus were designed were intuitive and easy to follow/watch.

I have yet to find anything that doesn't work on my laptop in terms of devices and the automatic setting up of everything that would be useful is ingenious. For example my windows partition that i also have on here is automatically mounted. Wifi network manager perfect zero configuration. Ummm what else...the control panel has many options including emerald and beryl managers, haven't tried either yet though. Have yet to test out my 1993 laserjet 4 or my hp g55 printers or my ipod or external drives but I imagine there shouldn't be much problem in any of those departments.

Of the 5-6 desktops I have tried just gnome and xfce so far. Gnome is gnome but I do like the flavor that sabayon has made with the layout and such. The menu is amazing, a refreshing experience from the normal taskbar/menu that is commonly used in xp and normal kde/gnome distros. Not to mention every application I just about needed installed by default ready to go.

As for xfce I haven't been on it much just about 15 minutes so still checking it out but I am liking the speed it has.

Overall super impressed pretty much, what Rav said in his original post I have to 2nd completely. I have yet to play around with gentoo though since I haven't found anything I needed to install from portage yet, but I imagine it should be just about the same as when I was on gentoo unless they did something completely unexpected with that too. For a new user this distro would be helpful in so many ways, this is one of the best jumping into the deep end distros and not drowning immediately distros I have experienced. Personally as an amateur linux user who just converted completely, if the gentoo i had installed year or two ago been this I would have switched over completely.

As for problems I will make a list as I come across them, one thing did stand out though. On the second boot when I got into the desktop nothing would start. This was right after I rebooted after logging off of xp though and was wondering if maybe that had something to do with it so I shutdown and restarted and applications would start up again, might have been a fluke or something so I don't know, but it was the only frustrating thing I could think of so far about sabayon.

I'll be back after a day or two of playing around once I get some free time.Simply awesome thanks for the positive input.

[ahaslam]

I'm looking forward to Sabayon Linux 3.3. I've built a new PC & the older/current version wont boot (neither does Ubuntu). I hope they keep in the Quake 4 demmo, I want to test my graphics card ;)

Should be due any time now shouldn't it?

[mips]

I hope they keep in the Quake 4 demmo, I want to test my graphics card ;)

Should be due any time now shouldn't it?

No quake4 demo, but you can still install it though if you want it. They have a new demo for you though :)

Well it is currently on RC1 status so it probably won't be that much longer.

[ahaslam]

They have a new demo for you though

What's that then? You've got me intrigued, I hope it's a card killer ;)

Tony

[mips]

What's that then? You've got me intrigued, I hope it's a card killer ;)

Tony

Definately a card killer. I'm actually thinking of buying it as it is my type of game.

You will see soon enough...

[ahaslam]

aaghhh, the suspense ;)

Lets hope it boots, eh?

[mips]

aaghhh, the suspense ;)

Lets hope it boots, eh?

Trust me it boots, and faster as well :)

[ahaslam]

You're making me salivate in anticipation ;)

[watson540]

yeah so i download the 3.2 64 bit mini cd cause i tried getting the dvd, but my hijacked wireless isnt that good and the mirrors are always bogged. in any case i thought it would be cool and knew i would have to tinker with some stuff, which is what kind of appealed to me :) the fact of the matter is, i wasnt worried at all about that, especially since this is gentoo based and all the rage, haha.. so i get done installing it and go to compile ndiswrapper so i can get on the net and get to learning portage. BAM , hey guess what this cool distro based on building everything from source doesnt include the friggin source tree (on the cd version), so *** man, how am i supposed to compile anythiing? and furthermore why would they friggin give me a gentoo box that cant compile cause it assumes that you have a hard wired cat5 connection.


no really though ijust wanted to rant a little, can anybody riggin tell me what to download to get this suckah compiling?? the bcm43xx included driver doesnt work with my bc,4311 and cant cmpile ndiswrapper..bummer

[ahaslam]

I see they've reached RC2 & the final should be mid March :)
Just a quick question, would I benefit from the 64 bit edition on an Intel Core 2 Duo ?

Tony ;)

[mips]

Just a quick question, would I benefit from the 64 bit edition on an Intel Core 2 Duo ?


Depends on the applications you use.

I have never used the 32bit version as everything works a charm in the 64bit version.

[Fitzcarraldo]

I have only recently discovered Sabayon Linux, and boy do I love it. I'm still using the LiveDVD (as I type now, incidentally) to evaluate the OS more fully, but with a view to installing it on the HDD of my Acer TravelMate 8215WLMI, which has an Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 (2 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 4 Mb L2 cache), ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 (up to 512 Mb HyperMemory, 256 Mb dedicated GDDR VRAM) , 2Gb DDR2 RAM.

I burnt the x86-64bit version of Sabayon 3.26 onto a LiveDVD to evaluate Sabayon, and it simply flies on the Acer. Not only that, but Sabayon recognises all my hardware (including the Acer's built-in wireless adapter completely automatically), built-in wired Ethernet adapter, all external USB hard disk drives, scanner, printer, you name it. The only thing I had some trouble with was configuring Sabayon to work with the built-in Bluetooth adapter. But I have cracked that now (I'm typing this on my Belkin Bluetooth keyboard).

Sabayon is the best thing I have come across on PCs in a long time. Even using the LiveDVD it is very useable with the 8215WLMi. Beryl works very smoothly with the Core 2 Duo, and I can really load up Sabayon: I have video and audio playing off one external USB HDD while I'm flipping between Web browsing, word processing with KWord, looking through large photo albums on another USB HDD etc., and it is as smooth as silk. Actually, it's faster than Windows XP Professional, which is what I normally use on this PC.

I have an external widescreen TFT monitor plugged into the Acer 8215WLMi when I'm working at home, and it is a piece of cake (one mouse click after boot-up) to tell Sabayon to use 1400 x 900 resolution on the external AL1916W monitor.

The number of applications on the Sabayon LiveDVD is amazing. There is absolutely everything one could want. And it looks professional. The Desktop Search appears to match the dynamic indexing functionality offered by Vista, and the performance of Beryl and all the other gorgeous visual features make Vista redundant in my case.

Brilliant OS. As mips wrote, the 64-bit version works like a charm.

[mips]

...but with a view to installing it on the HDD of my Acer TravelMate 8215WLMI...

You might want to consider waiting a wee bit as v3.3 will be out very soon.

[watson540]

I finally got the 64 bit dvd iso myself. After using this i decided that ubuntu is too much of a fad for noobs anymore and am ready to move onto a more challenging distro. Thanks for showing me which distro that is.

[Lord Illidan]

I finally got the 64 bit dvd iso myself. After using this i decided that ubuntu is too much of a fad for noobs anymore and am ready to move onto a more challenging distro. Thanks for showing me which distro that is.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out. If you are saying that everyone who uses Ubuntu is a noob, well....LOL!!

[watson540]

Don't let the door hit you on your way out. If you are saying that everyone who uses Ubuntu is a noob, well....LOL!!

sorry i might have worded it wrong, i dont think that at all or i wouldnt have kept my own install of edgy on another partition. im really on the fence now though. i've stuck by ubuntu for quite some time and even reccommend it despite its ridiculous sounding name. it just doesnt seem like im really at my linux roots in ubuntu maybe, plus i like the way sabayon comes out of the box, blows ubuntu away

[Fitzcarraldo]

sorry i might have worded it wrong, i dont think that at all or i wouldnt have kept my own install of edgy on another partition. im really on the fence now though. i've stuck by ubuntu for quite some time and even reccommend it despite its ridiculous sounding name. it just doesnt seem like im really at my linux roots in ubuntu maybe, plus i like the way sabayon comes out of the box, blows ubuntu away

Each to his own, of course, but I find "ubuntu" quite cool as a distro name, especially given the literal meaning of the word.

Regarding the two distros, I think it's a case of horses for courses, really. By which I mean I would not consider trying to load Sabayon x86 Edition (32-bit) on my old Gateway Solo 9300 notebook PC, but ubuntu Dapper works extremely well on that PC and has given it a new lease of life.

I enjoy using and tinkering with ubuntu 6.06 Dapper LTS; I think it is a very capable OS with a good-looking and functional GUI, and good support. Virtually everything I have works 'out-of-the-box' on ubuntu. I did have to do a small amount of file editing (and a large amount of reading!) to get a Linksys WPC54G v7.1 wireless card working but, other than that, ubuntu has detected everything built-in or plugged into the Gateway Solo 9300, and setting up ubuntu to work with my network (a mixture of wired and wireless connections), which includes three Windows XP PCs, was straightforward (maybe I'm lucky). Actually, I had more trouble with Norton Firewall on one of the Windows XP PCs then with ubuntu.

Additionally, the ubuntu forums and loads of blogs elsewhere on the Net are an absolute mine of information on the OS, and I find the availability of plentiful information and community feedback very useful and important. Good support and availability of information is crucial to the success of an OS.

My wife and children, all computer novices only previously exposed to Windows Me and XP Home, are happy to use ubuntu, and their learning curve was gratifyingly steep (they all still prefer using the other PCs with Windows XP though!). So I'm still a fan of ubuntu and will carry on using it and recommending it.

However, on my 'power PC', Sabayon is my choice even though the user base is much smaller than ubuntu's. I like the look-and-feel of the Sabayon GUI, the performance, the fact that most things seem to work well 'out-of-the-box' (again, maybe I'm just lucky) and the fact that there seems to be so much built into the distro. I think Sabayon has a bright future if the developers can support it fully (the impression I get from reading the Sabayon Web site is that the development team is almost a 'one-man-band').

I suppose it's rather like chocolate ice cream and vanilla ice cream: I like 'em both!

[mips]

Regarding the two distros, I think it's a case of horses for courses, really. By which I mean I would not consider trying to load Sabayon x86 Edition (32-bit) on my old Gateway Solo 9300 notebook PC, but ubuntu Dapper works extremely well on that PC and has given it a new lease of life.


I would try it though just for sh!ts and giggles to see the effect. Just dont use beryl and use something lighter like fluxbox etc. Mini edition would be a better option.

[ahaslam]

Sabayon Linux 3.3 GOLD ready

I'm downloading right now, looks like it'll take a while ;)

[rsambuca]

For a change, instead of rushing out and installing the thing in the first day, I am gonna wait for a couple of weeks and let the dust settle a bit. See what you die-hards have to say first!:)

[ahaslam]

Sounds like a good idea.... my download is slow enough ;)

[mips]

For a change, instead of rushing out and installing the thing in the first day, I am gonna wait for a couple of weeks and let the dust settle a bit. See what you die-hards have to say first!:)

Been using it since 22Feb in beta form and the end result is good. If you want to wait a bit then you might see a mini edition if we are lucky.

[rsambuca]

I actually don't mind the DVD. The reason I am waiting this time is that the last one wouldn't work with my rig. Something to do with the 2.6.19 kernel and my PATA/SATA controller. The kernel wouldn't recognize that I had a CD/DVD drive to boot from.

[ahaslam]

Download's finished, though the md5sum doesn't match :(
I'll burn it on a RW & give it a spin anyway ;)

PS. I don't think I'll bother, the iso is only 2GB.

As the server was maxd out, I guess there'll be a few shiny coasters being made tonight. Maybe I should be more patient in future :rolleyes:

PPS. I'll never learn... now trying the torrent (which really is slow) ;)

[mips]

Download's finished, though the md5sum doesn't match :(
I'll burn it on a RW & give it a spin anyway ;)

PS. I don't think I'll bother, the iso is only 2GB.

As the server was maxd out, I guess there'll be a few shiny coasters being made tonight. Maybe I should be more patient in future :rolleyes:

PPS. I'll never learn... now trying the torrent ;)

Good luck ;)

md5sum:

obelix sabayon # md5sum SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.3.iso
3aa807f2dd60b1af663b120cb4934cc4 SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.3.iso

size:

obelix sabayon # stat SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.3.iso
File: `SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.3.iso'
Size: 3645405184 Blocks: 7119944 IO Block: 4096 regular file

[Frak]

Download's finished, though the md5sum doesn't match :(
I'll burn it on a RW & give it a spin anyway ;)

PS. I don't think I'll bother, the iso is only 2GB.

As the server was maxd out, I guess there'll be a few shiny coasters being made tonight. Maybe I should be more patient in future :rolleyes:

PPS. I'll never learn... now trying the torrent (which really is slow) ;)
Suprisingly I get speeds of 480kB/s with torrent compared to only 120kB/s with regular download. And I seem to think torrents are better, and metalink better than torrents, but unfortunately there isn't one for Sabayon. Oh Well...

[watson540]

Suprisingly I get speeds of 480kB/s with torrent compared to only 120kB/s with regular download. And I seem to think torrents are better, and metalink better than torrents, but unfortunately there isn't one for Sabayon. Oh Well...

yes there is, thats how most are getting it, look on linuxtracker.org

p.s. officially they're not even on the mirrors yet which is why he got a partial iso, the torrent has been out for 11 hours

[Amorphous_Snake]

I need to know something about Sabayon before downloading the 3.3 DVD. It's based on Gentoo, right? So, do I have to compile everything from source when I need to install a program not included with the standard installation?

As you have guessed, I am still a Linux beginner!

[ahaslam]

Well I started the same torrent this morning & I got much higher speeds & the download was successful :)

I just received some new cooling that I'm going to fit before testing it out, I don't know why I was in such a rush :rolleyes:

[RAV TUX]

I need to know something about Sabayon before downloading the 3.3 DVD. It's based on Gentoo, right? So, do I have to compile everything from source when I need to install a program not included with the standard installation?

As you have guessed, I am still a Linux beginner!It is all pre-compiled and very easy to use. Emerge is simply a dream come true....

simple to use, for ex:


emerge -s firefoxwill do a search


emerge firefoxwill install

easy...

(there are other cool things to know, but Sabayon is the easiest OS to install, use and maintain, Gentoo and Emerge are dreams come true)

[Fitzcarraldo]

The BitTorrent download of the Sabayon x86-64 3.3 ISO file to my PC finished successfully a few hours ago, and the MD5 matches the MD5 posted on LinuxTracker.

I burnt a LiveDVD but it freezes part way through the boot process (the grey bar is nearly halfway along the bottom of the screen).

As the LiveDVD of Sabayon x86-64 3.26 boots perfectly on the same PC (Acer TravelMate 8215WLMi), I'm disappointed. :(

[mips]

I need to know something about Sabayon before downloading the 3.3 DVD. It's based on Gentoo, right? So, do I have to compile everything from source when I need to install a program not included with the standard installation?

As you have guessed, I am still a Linux beginner!

Yes, it is based on Gentoo.

Yes, you will have to compile from source, BUT:

It is not like you have to actually do anything, everything is handled by Emerge.

emerge -va krita will install Krita for you. -va means (v)Verbose & (a)ask first.

There is really very little you would need once you installed from dvd as everuthing under the sun seems to be installed. No need to worry about codecs, flash, java etc as it is all there including a gazillion applications & utils.

[mips]

The BitTorrent download of the Sabayon x86-64 3.3 ISO file to my PC finished successfully a few hours ago, and the MD5 matches the MD5 posted on LinuxTracker.

I burnt a LiveDVD but it freezes part way through the boot process (the grey bar is nearly halfway along the bottom of the screen).

As the LiveDVD of Sabayon x86-64 3.26 boots perfectly on the same PC (Acer TravelMate 8215WLMi), I'm disappointed. :(

There is a section about 2/3s into the boot where it might seem to hang which takes abit of time on the dvd as it is doing some nvidia/glx config or something of the sort. You can always view the boot process with alt+f1 to see exactly where it gets stuck.

[RAV TUX]

emerge -va krita will install Krita for you. -va means (v)Verbose & (a)ask first.




emerge -vais a very nice feature I didn't go into....earlier

Here is an example of


emerge -s ksudoku

localhost-2 ravtux # emerge -s ksudoku

Searching...
[ Results for search key : ksudoku ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

* games-puzzle/ksudoku
Latest version available: 0.3
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
Size of files: 688 kB
Homepage: http://ksudoku.sourceforge.net/
Description: Sudoku Puzzle Generator and Solver for KDE
License: GPL-2then this part is optional:


localhost-2 ravtux # emerge -va ksudoku

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] games-puzzle/ksudoku-0.3 USE="arts xinerama -debug" 689 kB

Total: 1 package (1 new), Size of downloads: 689 kB

Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] then select yes.....

or you could have just typed:


emerge ksudoku

[ahaslam]

3.3 looks very nice, I think it'll end up on another partition ;)

Mips, what was the demo you were referring to? Cold War was on the previous release & it's no card killer ;)

Tony :)

[Fitzcarraldo]

There is a section about 2/3s into the boot where it might seem to hang which takes abit of time on the dvd as it is doing some nvidia/glx config or something of the sort. You can always view the boot process with alt+f1 to see exactly where it gets stuck.

Sabayon was freezing before the two-thirds point, mips. Also, I had already tried ALT-F1 and that ran to completion with no error messages. After that, the screen changes to the large Sabayon name and bird's footprint, "Booting Sabayon Linux" is displayed in the lower left part of the screen, above a 'progress bar' that starts to fill with a grey bar from left to right. When the grey bar reaches nearly halfway across the screen, Sabayon freezes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the point you're referring to is when the grey bar reaches about 3/4 of the way across the screen and then there is a long delay and a lot of DVD activity?

But, you might ask, how do I know this if Sabayon freezes before that point? Well, I used a boot cheat code to enable the boot process to complete, as explained below.

I booted the x86-64 3.3 LiveDVD, pressed F5 and appended the following to the string of commands displayed:

noddc res=1024x768 refresh=60 opengl=ati

The boot process then ran to completion but I was left with a 1024 x 768 screen that looks awful in comparison to the gorgeous 1680 x 1050 screen I was previously seeing 'out of the box' using the 3.26 LiveDVD on my Acer TravelMate's built-in monitor, and the gorgeous 1400 x 900 screen I was able to have on an external Acer AL1916W TFT monitor. Both of these screens worked flawlessly with 3.26, so 3.3 is a step backwards in my case.

I tried Control Center > Peripherals > Display in 3.3 to see if I could increase the screen size, but 1024 x 768 is the largest size available in the menu. I assume the cheat code forces Sabayon to go no higher than 1024 x 768.

I then rebooted but this time specifying 1400 x 900, instead of 1024 x 768, in the ATI cheat code, but the resulting screen size was still 1024 x 768 and, again, Control Center > Peripherals > Display only allows a maximum of 1024 x 768.

I'm disappointed, as I was hoping 3.3 would impress me even more than 3.26 did. As it stands, the 3.3 LiveDVD is not something I would want to use (I'm back on 3.26 as I type this) and I now don't want to risk installing 3.3 on my HDD in case it's going to result in other problems. :(

[Fitzcarraldo]

I've discovered why I could not get the boot cheat code to produce a higher resolution: I typed "res=1400x900" when I should have typed "res=1440x900". Silly mistake. I'm now typing this using Sabayon x86-64 3.3, looking at a 1440 x 900 screen on my external monitor. So, although it's not as 'out of the box' as the 3.26 LiveDVD, at least I can continue to try out 3.3 using the LiveDVD with the boot cheat code. My disappointment has abated!

[RAV TUX]

I've discovered why I could not get the boot cheat code to produce a higher resolution: I typed "res=1400x900" when I should have typed "res=1440x900". Silly mistake. I'm now typing this using Sabayon x86-64 3.3, looking at a 1440 x 900 screen on my external monitor. So, although it's not as 'out of the box' as the 3.26 LiveDVD, at least I can continue to try out 3.3 using the LiveDVD with the boot cheat code. My disappointment has abated!Awesome news....I am still downloading the torrents...I look forward to trying this out....I was just recently added to the Beta Testing team but too late to help out on the current build...so I have a lot to look forward to using
3.3:)

[ahaslam]

Have you noticed how much interest Sabayon has received at Distrowatch? Since it's official release yesterday, it's overtaken Damn Small Linux. This distro is gaining popularity amazingly quickly, let's hope it keep getting better & better.

I'm going to be installing it this afternoon to see how the speed compares to Zenwalk. It probably isn't a fair test as their complete opposites ;)

[mips]

Have you noticed how much interest Sabayon has received at Distrowatch? Since it's official release yesterday, it's overtaken Damn Small Linux. This distro is gaining popularity amazingly quickly, let's hope it keep getting better & better.


Distrowatch is not the best measurement for popularity but still some form of indicator. It has been in the top 10 for a while now. I suspect it's current jump after 3.3 release will eventually settle down a bit and then we will see how much more 'popular' it is.

I think it is a distro to watch out for, it is still a very young distro but it has come very far in a very short time indeed. I wish the team all the best and also hope it grows from strenght to strenght.

[mips]

Fitzcarraldo,

Glad to hear you are making some progress with your problem.

Best place for help though would be the Sabayon forums & IRC channel. I generally avoid irc like the plague but some like Sabayon & *BSD etc don't have as much white noise as the more common distros so it is actually a pleasant experience participating there.

[ahaslam]

My experience so far with it installed does no equal that of the live environment.

Booting takes 2.5 minutes, the panels & applets crashed when switching to the KDE menu, after rebooting beryl ceased to function and the control panel crashes when trying to add a printer. That's quite a lot of trouble within 2 hours of very light use. I will persevere, but it doesn't inspire confidence.

[RAV TUX]

My experience so far with it installed does no equal that of the live environment.

Booting takes 2.5 minutes, the panels & applets crashed when switching to the KDE menu, after rebooting beryl ceased to function and the control panel crashes when trying to add a printer. That's quite a lot of trouble within 2 hours of very light use. I will persevere, but it doesn't inspire confidence.
how much space did you give it?

[RAV TUX]

Distrowatch is not the best measurement for popularity but still some form of indicator. It has been in the top 10 for a while now. I suspect it's current jump after 3.3 release will eventually settle down a bit and then we will see how much more 'popular' it is.

I think it is a distro to watch out for, it is still a very young distro but it has come very far in a very short time indeed. I wish the team all the best and also hope it grows from strenght to strenght.

a better indicator is linuxtracker then distrowatch

[ahaslam]

100 Gigabytes :neutral:

[ahaslam]

How does one start the 6th sense?

I really want to give this a fair chance, but things keep getting worse, gnome just froze completely. I'm assuming the install didn't go too well & hope the 6th sense will help, because I don't have a clue as to what's happening, I've got problems with everything. Maybe it really doesn't like xfs partitions?

PS. It's scaling my processor down to 2GHz, which shouldn't be possible. The FSB is @ 400MHz and the available multipliers are x6 & x7. Maybe this is why it's gone screwy?

[ahaslam]

Do you guys play anu games on Sabayon? I've also tested out game performance (and of course beryl is off as it's not working).

With the nexuiz timedemo I get the following result:

1909 frames 87.8677049 seconds 21.7258434 fps min/avg/max: 7.6424037/21.7258434/271.8278678

While in Zenwalk I get:

1909 frames 20.3245356 seconds 93.9258854 fps min/avg/max: 22.8743794/93.9258854/404.5361227

That's using the same install & config file, along with the same graphics driver version. Either Sabayon is slower than claimed, or there's something very wrong with my install.

6th sense anyone?

[Frak]

You try reinstalling "Just In the Off Chance" that something went wrong?

[ahaslam]

You try reinstalling "Just In the Off Chance" that something went wrong?

... and that's where I found it, 6th sense is a recovery option within the installer ;)
I've never had to reinstall a Linux distro, that shows just how screwed my install must be.

[Frak]

... and that's where I found it, 6th sense is a recovery option within the installer ;)
I've never had to reinstall a Linux distro, that shows just how screwed my install must be.
Oh, OK, I thought you were going all "Bruce Willis" on us :lolflag:

[ahaslam]

Rotfl

[ahaslam]

Not good news :(

The sense did not fix the problems, so I formatted the partition (this time with ext3 as suggested) & reinstalled after updating the installer. After the installation it took less than 1 minute for the panels to crash again. After rebooting, Beryl ceased to operate & the bugs were back.

Interestingly, when logging into a root session everything worked reliably. It allowed me to set up my printer without hassle, beryl worked, nothing crashed, the experience was good. I will try creating a new user account & see how that goes...

One annoyance that remained was the processor scaling, cpufreq-info showed all the wrong info, maybe as my cpu is overclocked it can't identify it properly?

[igknighted]

This release does feel like something is off. I originally installed this on my old box (1ghz athlon, 704mb ram, older fx-series nvidia) and it was unusably slow. This isn't exactly a top of the line system, and I was low on HD space, so I tried it on my current PC (stats below) and its still barely usable. CPU occaisionally spikes, but its not red lined all the time like something was crashing, but rather there seems to be just a ton of processes running all the time. If anyone has any hints on how to turn (a lot of) stuff off that would be great... I've tried the normal culprits and there hasn't been much effect. Unfortunately portage's one true flaw is that it cannot remove programs without risking breaking packages so I can't trim the bloat. Will give the mini a try when it comes out. Aside from the speed, 3.3 seems like a smash hit. When einit is ready it will be incredible. It shaved my boot time (granted lots of stuff failed to load or crashed out) from 2+ minutes to less than 30 seconds... wow.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Last night I installed Sabayon x86-64 3.3 on my HDD and it works well. I have an Acer TravelMate 8215WLMi laptop PC with 160 Gb HDD, 2 Gb RAM, built-in wireless adapter, built-in Bluetooth, built-in Webcam etc. I also have the following peripherals plugged into its USB ports: a 4-port USB hub with a printer, scanner and two external HDDs attached; a USB mouse. Sabayon 3.3 recognised the lot.

I'm typing this on my Belkin Bluetooth keyboard: the procedure in the Sabayon Wiki -- which worked perfectly when I was using the Sabayon 3.26 LiveDVD, but did not provide automatic reconnection when using the Sabayon 3.3 LiveDVD -- works perfectly for Sabayon 3.3 installed on disk. :-)

Bluetooth keyboard HOWTO (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Belkin_Bluetooth_Keyboard)

Performance is excellent, installation was relatively straightforward considering I've never installed Sabayon before and also was unsure about partitions and their sizes. I didn't want to use the installer utility's option of automatic partitioning because, amongst other things, I wanted to make sure my Windows XP partitions would not be trashed, so I decided to do the partitioning using Partition Manager (GParted), provided as part of the LiveDVD, before running the installer. It was also the first time I have configured a PC to dual-boot. I have posted a summary on the Sabayon forum of the main things I did to install, which you can read here (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5471). I got no reply on the Sabayon forum to my request for advice on partitions and sizes, but if anyone here can comment on the partitions I set up (see aforementioned link) then I would welcome it.

My second post in the above-mentioned thread gives links to two quite-detailed reviews of Sabayon 3.3, with screenshots, for anyone who is interested.

There are four problems I have noticed so far with the installed Sabayon 3.3, and these problems also occurred when I was using the 3.3 LiveDVD:

1. When I shutdown, KNetworkManager displays error messages on the shutdown screen.
2. Google Earth won't run; it freezes at the splash screen, even if I turn off XGL.
3. My 512 Mb USB memory stick is not recognised.
4. The fan seems to run a lot of the time.

Other than the above, I'm pleased with Sabayon 3.3 so far.

[igknighted]

KNetworkManager is still a work in progress. It will be a great app once done, but the KDE team is still working on it.

[mips]

KNetworkManager is still a work in progress. It will be a great app once done, but the KDE team is still working on it.

Network manager & Knetworkmanager was one of the first things I removed, it was just a pain for me.

[zaratustra]

there is no better thing than console "craftwork" with ifconfig:)

[Fitzcarraldo]

I have been investigating further, but still can't get my USB pen drive to automount.

At first I was mounting it manually from the command line:



sudo mkdir /media/USBPENDRV1
sudo mount /drv/sdd1 /media/USBPENDRV1


(The drive may not be sdd1 on your PC. Even in my case, if I boot up with the USB pen drive inserted, the USB pen drive becomes sdb1 on my PC, and the two external USB HDDs that are plugged into my PC become sdc1 and sdd1 instead.)

then I right-clicked on the Desktop and created an icon on the desktop that enables me to mount and unmount the drive -- and open a window on the desktop for the drive -- without needing to use the command line.

However, despite changing the permissions for /media/USBPENDRV1 for all users (right-click on pen drive icon on desktop > Properties > Permissions), I still cannot write to the drive. When I try to copy or save a file onto the pen drive using the GUI the following message pops up:

Access denied.
Could not write to /media/USBPENDRV1/snapshot1.png.

So, now I have two questions instead of one:

1. How do I get Sabayon 3.3 to automount a USB pen drive when it's inserted into any USB port on my PC? :confused:

2. If I manually mount a USB pen drive that has not automounted, then create a desktop link to the device, how can I write-enable the device? :confused:

Ideally, of course, if someone can answer Question 1 then Question 2 becomes redundant.

This problem is really annoying, as I have to use a USB pen drive a lot when I'm on business trips, to transfer files to/from my laptop and desktop PCs to which I have no network access. :mad:

[mips]

In theory it should just work, mine works just fine.

Maybe try the Sabayon IRC channel & forum.

[Fitzcarraldo]

^I tried the Sabayon forum but no one was able to help., although several others reported problems with pendrives. Did I mention that my pendrive works fine with Windows XP and Ubuntu?

Anyway, after two days breaking my head on this, I found a thread in another forum -- I can't recall the Linux distro now -- with a post from a guy with a problem which looked similar to mine and was apparently caused by a bug in the firmware on his pendrive, which is incorrectly coded to think that the pendrive has one more sector than it really has.

Windows XP came to the rescue with a low-level format utility called HDD LLF Tool, which I downloaded from here:

http://hddguru.com/

I booted into Windows XP (my stalwart OS) and ran HDD LLF to low-level format the pendrive. Then I booted back into Sabayon 3.3, ran GParted, formated the pendrive as FAT32 and set the boot flag. I checked it wasn't mounted -- it wasn't -- pulled it out and pushed it back in again and... up popped a window asking me what I wanted to do with the device (Open Window or Nothing), and a pendrive icon appeared on the Panel next to the other pendrive icons for my two USB external HDDs. It works consistently, too.

Even given the fact that apparently there is a bug in the pendrive's firmware, both Windows XP and Ubuntu (on two different laptops) could mount and use successfully my pendrive before I did the above. So why do I have to low-level format a pendrive and reformat it to get Sabayon Linux to mount it? And, given that I had the same problem with a colleague's pendrive (different manufacturer) yesterday, does that mean that use of pendrives with Linux is a hit-and-miss affair? Curious.

[mips]

During one instance booting the live media my usb flash disk would not mount either. This was just once. Other times it worked and it also worked when i installed the os.

[Rodneyck]

Well I finally installed the new 3.3 mini cd Sabayon on my second hard drive to see what all the hub-bub was about, any changes, etc.

I was not impressed in the least.

What happened? I think the devs took it a step backwards. For one, in the past, Sabayon use to detect all sorts of screen sizes. I was stuck with a default (and no higher) of 1024x768 and the resolution was off. Time to tweak the xorg file...

The second very noticeable issue was the overall speed which now seemed slower and a bit sluggish from previous versions. Being a fork of Gentoo, I would think this would actually improve. The boot up time has not really improved either, still very slow as compared to other distros.

Other annoyances, the theme. My gawd, I am not a fan of dark themes really, but this one is like trying to find the light switch in the dark. I thought their red/yellow/black theme from the past was unique and at least was catchy. Are the devs spending to much time in dark rooms where light hurts their eyes?

I will explore it some more, these were initial responses, but right now I am happy with Sidux and I can safely say it is much faster than the current Sabayon.

[Cloudy]

Where is the Beryl Manager in 3.2? I ran the live mini-CD with no problems and with Beryl working, but once I installed it to my harddrive I couldn't find where Beryl Manager is. Whenever I type "beryl" or "beryl-manager" into the Konsole I get an error that there is no composite extension? What's that mean? BTW, I installed from the liveCD.

[RAV TUX]

Where is the Beryl Manager in 3.2? I ran the live mini-CD with no problems and with Beryl working, but once I installed it to my harddrive I couldn't find where Beryl Manager is. Whenever I type "beryl" or "beryl-manager" into the Konsole I get an error that there is no composite extension? What's that mean? BTW, I installed from the liveCD.I don't think beryl is in 3.2.....

but I could be mistaken...

you could always emerge it

[igknighted]

I don't think beryl is in 3.2.....

but I could be mistaken...

you could always emerge it

Sounds more to me like your video drivers are not set up. Did you run the acceleration manager? Also, what kind of vid card do you have? How sure are you that the drivers are set up?

[RAV TUX]

Sounds more to me like your video drivers are not set up. Did you run the acceleration manager? Also, what kind of vid card do you have? How sure are you that the drivers are set up?what I meant was I use Beryl in 3.26.....isn't 3.2 an older version?

[manmower]

If I understood correctly it was working before Sabayon was installed to HD, so it would have to be included. Unless Cloudy somehow installed from a different LiveCD version than the one that was working?

[RAV TUX]

If I understood correctly it was working before Sabayon was installed to HD, so it would have to be included. Unless Cloudy somehow installed from a different LiveCD version than the one that was working?ahhh yes you are correct, he is simply looking for the Beryl manager icon....my bad

[manmower]

no composite extension

Seems to point to a problem with either X configuration or graphics drivers. I don't know Sabayon but I think igknighted in his post above is on the right track to solving your problem.

[Cloudy]

Cheers, I'll be sure to run the Acceleration Manager igknighted. Cheers to everyone else too!

[igknighted]

ahhh yes you are correct, he is simply looking for the Beryl manager icon....my bad

If all he wants is the beryl-manager to load at boot, just create a symlink "ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Autostart/" -> do not run as root, as ~ would then be /root not /home/<username>

[aeto]

http://planet.sabayonlinux.org - see latest posts. something interesting fabio posted. more goodies from upcoming Entropy.

[zaratustra]

I installed mini Edition right now on my another desktop which is mostley used by my 10-year-old sister... She likes it much more than ubuntu (just beacuse it's black color:D), everything was very smooth and fast, which was not case with DVD version... quite good.

[RAV TUX]

Anybody install SabayonLinux-x86-3.4.Loop1.iso ?
( 3.4 GB (3,588,558,848 bytes))

[Fitzcarraldo]

^I read in the Sabayon Linux Forum that it solves the problem with ATI graphics cards not working with XGL and AIGLX hardware acceleration, which is the one thing that I could not get to work with x86-64 3.3. But I'm going to wait until they release 3.4, as I'm otherwise happy with 3.3 and the software acceleration on my PC is fast (glxgears reports around 10120 FPS, which must be wrong I would have thought).

[Ateo]

Just found Sabayon last night. Burned the ISO this morning.

Very impressed with it. I hope the best for this distro because a source based distro that one can install and BE WORKING in under an hour is very nice.

[GSF1200S]

Just found out about Sabayon last night. Looking in the forums and the IRC channel, I seem to see a little of the RTFM attitude, but with the awesome documentation, I dont think Ill have any problems making due.. Since this forum is a little more friendly, Id like to ask a few questions.

Have the boot time issues been resolved? Its not a deal breaker for me, but I wouldnt mind a faster booting system.

What about tarballs? I dont know anything about portage, so does it allow for you to install a package d/l from the net that isnt necessarily in the portage list?

Is their a distro upgrade for when new versions come out? You spend all that time compiling and perfecting, and then you have to reinstall it? I think if I remember correctly, Gentoo uses two commands in portage to update the entire distro and installed packages. I know this takes a while.

I dont think gentoo/sabayon is rpm/deb based- its all source.

Ive heard that it doesnt configure grub like Ubuntu; some people saying that they cant access windows after a sabayon install. I might actually need to burn a supergrub disc then...

Im also guessing since sabayon shares so many things in common with Gentoo, I could probably use both forums in a search for any answers I might have.

I think im going to try to run the liveCD version to see whats detected and what works, and then install it on a virtual machine. This way I can learn portage with breaking a hard install.

[ThinkBuntu]

In no particular order,
(1) Anything concerning a problem in the system should probably be directed to the Gentoo forums. You'll get an answer faster, and it'll be right. There are a few helpers in the Sabayon forums, but un general responses take a long time, or usually don't happen.

(2) You can get binaries and save yourself the compiling for many programs

(3) All distros use tarballs, to the best of my knowledge

(4) Boot time is supposed to be much improved. It seemed pretty standard in 3.3, so I'd expect that whatever problem there was, it's been resolved.

(5) I've heard about it overwriting other GRUBs, specifically Ubuntu's. Probably better as the first one on your machine, then add Ubuntu, Windows, or whatever else. But there are always workarounds...

(6) Hardware detection is top-notch, in my experience. Just boot the live DCD/CD to test it out, no need for VMWare.

[GSF1200S]

In no particular order,
(1) Anything concerning a problem in the system should probably be directed to the Gentoo forums. You'll get an answer faster, and it'll be right. There are a few helpers in the Sabayon forums, but un general responses take a long time, or usually don't happen.

(2) You can get binaries and save yourself the compiling for many programs

(3) All distros use tarballs, to the best of my knowledge

(4) Boot time is supposed to be much improved. It seemed pretty standard in 3.3, so I'd expect that whatever problem there was, it's been resolved.

(5) I've heard about it overwriting other GRUBs, specifically Ubuntu's. Probably better as the first one on your machine, then add Ubuntu, Windows, or whatever else. But there are always workarounds...

(6) Hardware detection is top-notch, in my experience. Just boot the live DCD/CD to test it out, no need for VMWare.

Awesome.. Thanks for the very fast response :)

In terms of grub, i have windows and k/ubuntu setup to perfection. Would it be possible for me to install Sabayon, and then use supergrub to add my windows and ubuntu install?

&@#$!~!@ Linux.. I seriously need to look into a bigger hard drive- im running out of space and ive had this lappie for like 3 months! :)

[ThinkBuntu]

If Kubuntu's set up to perfection, why risk it? I'd look over the Sabayon forums and Wiki thoroughly before going through with this: I always do clean installs, so I'm the wrong one to talk about as far as booting multiple OSes.

[GSF1200S]

If Kubuntu's set up to perfection, why risk it? I'd look over the Sabayon forums and Wiki thoroughly before going through with this: I always do clean installs, so I'm the wrong one to talk about as far as booting multiple OSes.


Well, perfection aside from the black flashes and the freezing when using 3d acceleration. This one thing is enough to annoy me to the point of losing my mind. Bam, flash, woops! Screw you buddy.. hard power down and try again. Ive tried nearly everything, and it still happens, even on an install thats less than a week old.

Ive been told, although I dont know how correct it is, that Gentoo/Sabayon would allow me to fix this, presuming of course I do suffecient research and figure out how to use the tools available. This of course, if it doesnt work perfectly right out of the box. Sabayon seems to have already sorted this issue out, and of course I can recompile the video drivers and OpenGL/AIGLX demanding programs with Portage... As much as I love K/Ubuntu, this freezing crap just sucks. It doesnt matter whether its a game, a screensaver. beryl, or even KDE composite effects- bam- frozen! Just frustrating, as thats what I moved to Linux for- stability and customization...

[HumanAnarchist]

Need some help:

I've installed Sabayon on sdb and got Ubuntu on sda, grub is also on sda. I choose not to install grub during the Sabayon install, since I was worried that it could fsck up the grub install made by Ubuntu.

My question is now: How do i configure grub in Ubuntu so I cold boot from sdb1 into Sabayon?

-ha-

[confused57]

Need some help:

I've installed Sabayon on sdb and got Ubuntu on sda, grub is also on sda. I choose not to install grub during the Sabayon install, since I was worried that it could fsck up the grub install made by Ubuntu.

My question is now: How do i configure grub in Ubuntu so I cold boot from sdb1 into Sabayon?

-ha-
Since you chose not to install grub, you'll probably have to use the symlink method to boot Sabayon:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm#Operating_System_Entries_for_Multiple_Boot ing_More_Linux_Systems

I just installed Sabayon 3.3b mini last night, near the beginning of the install there was a option at the bottom of the install screen to check "Advanced..." configuration of grub. Near the end of the install, I was able to select to install grub to Sabayon's root partition, then use configfile to boot Sabayon...the installer incorrectly identified my (hd0) and (hd1) drives, so I had to reconfigure grub.conf root from (hd0,5) to (hd1,5) to get it to boot.

You can also boot up the Sabayon live cd, update the installer, select install, then rescue a broken Sabayon, then reinstall grub to the root partition.

If you happen to accidentally install Sabayon's grub to your mbr, it's easy to restore Ubuntu's grub, using the Ubuntu live cd(or Sabayon's):
http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm#Re-install_Grub_with_Live_CD

I had to do this with an older version of Sabayon I installed, either I missed it or there wasn't an option(probably the former) on the older version...Sabayon's grub installed to the mbr with no option to boot any of the other OS. I used the live cd to install Ubuntu's grub to the mbr & Sabayon's grub to it's root partition.

[dbbolton]

does anyone know where i can download the old sabayon wallpapers (the ones with a yellow/orange flower on a dark red background) ?

[mips]

does anyone know where i can download the old sabayon wallpapers (the ones with a yellow/orange flower on a dark red background) ?

I might be mistaken but they could be available in portage. I saw something to this effect on their forums a while back.

[dbbolton]

I might be mistaken but they could be available in portage. I saw something to this effect on their forums a while back.
i checked on gentoo-portage.com and could find any related packages :/

[ThinkBuntu]

i checked on gentoo-portage.com and could find any related packages :/
I posted this (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7074) a couple months ago. Hope it helps you find your answer. I never did take the time to look myself.

[dbbolton]

I posted this (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7074) a couple months ago. Hope it helps you find your answer. I never did take the time to look myself.
actually, i don't have sabayon installed anymore. my hard drive recently crashed and the only liveCD i could get to install a working sysytem was ubuntu dapper.

[ThinkBuntu]

actually, i don't have sabayon installed anymore. my hard drive recently crashed and the only liveCD i could get to install a working sysytem was ubuntu dapper.
All that in under an hour!

[dbbolton]

All that in under an hour!
just don't ever buy anything from compaq.

luckily i have a /home partition so i didn't lose anything important.

[bmartin]

I once installed Sabayon because I don't like repeating the command-line steps to install Gentoo time and time again. Next time I do it, I'm going to write a script to take care of most of the necessary steps.

Sabayon simply wasn't worth it. On the plus side, the Live CD detected my Broadcom WiFi; everything worked out of the box and all the software I wanted was included on the Live CD. I installed Fluxbox and took it for a spin. There was a lot of software on the computer I didn't want, and for the sake of utilizing the Gentoo nature of the beast, I did an emerge -uD world.

The results were horrendous. There were dozens of packages blocking other packages. I did a minimalist Fluxbox install, yet there were several hundred KDE packages on my system that I simply didn't want. I tried to remove packages to resolve all the dependency problems, but... it's just too much. Building a system from the bottom up is a lot easier than trying to pick apart Sabayon.

I like Gentoo-based systems; I've never managed to break my Portage tree, but I've heard it's disastrous. APT gets cranky every once in a while and I can never seem to compile the things I want on Ubuntu.

I've never had a problem with any specific manufacturer... except that Dell sells some really stupid cases... I usually buy my laptops from HP and Compaq and build my PCs. It's not usually the brand that's the problem, but rather the components. I've owned many hard drives and I've never had one go bad, although I've seen it happen very often. I've never seen a Seagate drive go bad, but I've seen a lot of Maxtors and WDs go bad lately. With the WDs, it's usually a telltale clicking noise as the heads hit against the platter.

[Fitzcarraldo]

^Did you install Sabayon from the Live Mini CD or from the Live DVD (I notice you wrote "Live CD", but wondered whether you were using the generic term)? The Live DVD is indeed crammed full of packages, but the Live Mini CD less so. The amount of hassle doing an emerge -uD world would therefore be less with the Mini. I suppose a lot depends on how old the Live CD/DVD is too: if one did an emerge -uD world immediately after the Live CD or Live DVD was released then there would presumably be a lot less out-of-date packages needing to be updated.

[bmartin]

Ahh, you're right. I used the Live DVD because at the time being, I couldn't download the Live CD for some reason. I actually had to have someone burn me a copy because at the time being, I didn't have a DVD burner. I never felt I needed one, and now that I have one, I've never burned a DVD with it (I've had it for about half a year).

The thing is, I received way too many packages. It was a chore to remove them and there was no option to install anything less than the full bore of bloat. It was all or nothing. The Sabayon team really shouldn't pack it full of conflicting packages, though, you know? Whatever their motives are, it's just a bad practice, especially when they encourage people to perform an emerge --update world. No other distro I've ever used has needed to have a couple hundred dependency problems fixed right from the start. My stage 3 tarballs never complain. I always add a couple hundred packages to my base installs (for any distro) and I've never had a problem.

[Fitzcarraldo]

A package selector is coming with version 3.4 of the distro at the end of this month so, even with the Live DVD, one can select precisely which packages one wants to install to the HDD -- see the screendump below of one of the windows in the new installer:

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/modules/screenshots/files/Sabayon%20Linux%203.4/18.png

One will be able to select package groups and, within each group, which precise packages one wants to install to the HDD from the Live DVD.

Further details can be found on the SL Web site:

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/

[dbbolton]

does anyone know where i can download the old sabayon wallpapers (the ones with a yellow/orange flower on a dark red background) ?
a kind chap on the sabayon forums was kind enough to post these for me.

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/6019/sabayonlinuxcz0.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1381/sabayonlinux321wg6.jpg

[RiazM]

Does anyone know if 3.4 will allow me to choose where grub is installed?

[mips]

Does anyone know if 3.4 will allow me to choose where grub is installed?

Has that not been an option all along ? Could have sworn you could choose.

[napsilan]

Yes you can pick where to install grub (MBR or /boot partition), as long as you check "advanced bootloader options." It's on the screen after the partitioner iirc.

[MeaCulpa]

Just tried Sabayon and happy with it.
To me SL is just a image of "someone else's Gentoo" and I'm slowly tuning it into "my Gentoo"
The Sabayon CD/DVD is quite helpful for a Gentoo user, it simply save time when something bad happens and with a good preparation it can be merged into "your" Gentoo in 3 days-faster than a Gentoo CD/DVD freswh install--You can do nothing while installing gentoo on days but you have a working KDE in 45min and you can do real business while emerging to "your Gentoo"

[mips]

You can do nothing while installing gentoo on days but you have a working KDE in 45min and you can do real business while emerging to "your Gentoo"

Not exactly true. you have options.
1. You can chroot into the new gentoo install from another linux OS.
2. You compile Gentoo, X & fluxbox followed by a few apps like xchat, firefox which is quick. This should be more than enough to make the system useable then compile gnome or kde.

[MeaCulpa]

Not exactly true. you have options.
1. You can chroot into the new gentoo install from another linux OS.
2. You compile Gentoo, X & fluxbox followed by a few apps like xchat, firefox which is quick. This should be more than enough to make the system useable then compile gnome or kde.

Aw...indeed. :)

[n3tfury]

ok, so i tried the live cd and it's smoking fast - even faster than my ubuntu install w/ compiz-fusion (***).

i'd like to triple boot w/ this distro (ubuntu,xp (cuz of games), and sabayon). is a triple boot possible?

nevermind, i didn't realize there were so many sub-forums. found what i was looking for.

[handy]

I just xdelta'd from 3.4a to 3.4e to 3.4f, in the hope of escaping the Beagled-Helper's approx' 80% CPU usage (it fluctuates quite quickly from 55 ish% to 80 ish%). It did not work. :-(

Upgrading my system to from 3.4a to 3.4f seems to have been flawless, but there is still that waste of CPU energy happening?

I will pursue this on the Sabayon forums, I'm sure it is a listed bug, & will hopefully be removed in the coming release.

I will post the solution here if I find it.

[mips]

I just xdelta'd from 3.4a to 3.4e to 3.4f, in the hope of escaping the Beagled-Helper's approx' 80% CPU usage (it fluctuates quite quickly from 55 ish% to 80 ish%). It did not work. :-(

Upgrading my system to from 3.4a to 3.4f seems to have been flawless, but there is still that waste of CPU energy happening?

I will pursue this on the Sabayon forums, I'm sure it is a listed bug, & will hopefully be removed in the coming release.

I will post the solution here if I find it.

See http://blog.funtoo.org/ and take it from there.

[handy]

See http://blog.funtoo.org/ and take it from there.

Thanks for the link mips.

I found that what initially looked like a flawless upgrade from 3.4a to 3.4f was in fact a mess underneath, I tried a 2nd upgrade which still had problems, so I did a fresh install of 3.4f which has a problem with my graphics card it would seem, I then tried the 64bit 3.4 mini edition, which was worse. A lot of time has gone in here.

So at the moment I'm in the early stages of a complete Gentoo install using the little 54Mb .iso. A lot more time to go...

I'm prepared to still end up with the graphics card problem, (though I really should be able to get past it) but I will certainly be more familiar with the makings of a Linux kernel based OS.

[Antman]

Sabayon Linux x86/x86_64 1.1 Professional Edition was released.
Details Here:
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=11126

[mindtrick]

I'm now burning 3.4 mini edition CD.

Have a question
What happens if I simply run "emerge world"? I know it would take much time but don't know if it would break the system to an unbootable state.

There's an article on their wiki but it looks rather old.

[NeoLithium]

ok, so I got bored, rearranged all my partitions on my computer and installed Sabayon 3.4
WOW is all I have to say. Installed quick, runs smoothly and since this was a gentoo based install that worked for me; I'm starting to enjoy it a great deal. I used the mini version cause I don't have the patience for a full DVD download, but no biggie, I'll just use emerge and grab what I want.

Also, I'm not usually one for the stock look of a distro, but this is nice, clean and....rarely enough, not ugly. Nice touch, as with many other distros, having it find my NTFS shared partitions and having to do nothing to have read/write access. WOOT. Meh, I'm lazy; but so be it.

[reloadSE]

Hmmm my expirence (which has been a good one) on Sabayon is that gnome works a whole lot better than KDE.... it runs real fast too lol and I've replaced gusty with Sabayon i liked it soo much

[ssivaguhan]

Hello people, I'm relatively new to Sabayon and I had been configuring my ADSL connection with ease in Ubuntu. I tried to find from various sources how to do this in sabayon, but in vain. I have a REALTEK RTL8139 Ethernet Controller. Please help

[handy]

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/index.php?sid=047657046af43f34d1dce6b9e7287aab

http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

http://forums.gentoo.org/

Better late than never!

[sandysandy]

having installed sabayon recently, i find it quite nice and polished.