Sabayon Linux Talk

[RAV TUX]

I'm writing this from Sabayon Linux (specifically RR64, built on Gentoo GNU/Linux).

fastest, easiest install I have yet to see. Polish, and sexyness of Gentoo without typing any mad shell commands.

The only other Linux Distro I have tested today is SimplyMepis and I have to say that it is about 1000 times better then this.

consistent quality of everything simply working, like Mepis it is also in KDE. Unlike Mepis it has recognized my mouse consistently, and the screen display GUI is by default up on the desktop for you to tweak, but I didn't need to, like Ubuntu the settings were right on.

This build is super fast and the default desktop is beautiful.

I am so far impressed and have made the decision I will not be trying Mephis again. This is just too beautiful, and everything just works pain free.

If you have ever wanted the polish, speed and customization of Gentoo but maybe didn't want to be burdened with or plain just don't have the time to set it up. Sabayon is the anwser for you.

If you like KDE I have to say having tried many KDE linux Distros and many BSD distros, Sabayon has the best KDE set up I have ever seen.

Even though I like Gnome I may set this up on this box atleast.

to download and try for yourself go here:
http://www.lxnaydesign.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=27

I am specifically using the mini edition since I can't get my computer to boot from DVD. The mini-editions are on CD the full editions are on DVD:


RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 miniEdition: Download page (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=191&Itemid=2)

3.0RC1 miniEdition (codename: miniEdition - maxiSurprise) RR64 Linux 3.0 RC1 miniEdition, commonly called the “mini”, is the CD release of the latest RR64 Linux. The creation of this special version, has been made by an automatic script that has shrinked down the whole chroot jail by removing every duplicated, useless or server-oriented package. Preserving intact the multimedia orientation of every lxnay dEsigN release is my mission. So, enjoy that beautiful piece of software.
Features:
Same techinical specifications of RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 (full), except:
No SMP kernel available (only a normal mono-processor kernel 2.6.16.11)
Latest proprietary drivers from ATi (8.24.8) and nVIDIA (8756)
Faster boot time compared to RR64 Linux
Fully reliable on memory constrained systems (128Mb of RAM)
Fluxbox available as a viable alternative to KDE 3.5.2
XGL (latest stable official CVS release) and Compiz 0.0.8
Internet Kiosk features (NX Client and Server)
XsistenCe features (RR64 + USB memory = your home/data everywhere): read release notes
Complete integration of Tor (just boot with: gentoo tor) with Konqueror and Firefox
No extra language available by default (only English): they could be installed after the installation
No Stage 1,2,3 installation
CD to HD installation 4-5 times faster than the full RR64 Linux
KOffice 1.5.0 suite
K3B 0.12.15
amaroK 1.4 b3
Kaffeine 0.8.1
Multimedia features kept intactLinks:
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 miniEdition Torrent Download (http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=2002)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 miniEdition HTTP download (use with care please) (http://www.amdplanet.com/mirror/gentoo-rr4/RR64/RR64-Linux-3.0.RC1-miniEdition/RR64-Linux-3.0.RC1-miniEdition.iso)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 miniEdition ISO MD5 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/md5/RR64-Linux-3.0.RC1-miniEdition.iso.md5)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 miniEdition Release Notes (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/release_notes/RR64-3.0RC1.miniEdition.pdf)
RR64 Linux Support forum (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=5)
Kernel .config non-SMP 3.0RC1 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/kconfigs/RR64/config-stable-64)
Installed software (equery list) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/pkglist/RR64-3.0.RC1.miniEdition.packages.txt)
RR64 Linux Video sporting XGL in action (XviD 1.1) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/videos/RR64-3.0.RC1.avi)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 Wallpaper (1024x768) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/images/wallpapers/RR64-Linux-background-original.png)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 Wallpaper (oriz. text - 1024x768) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/images/wallpapers/RR64-Linux-background.png)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 Wallpaper (oriz. text - 1280x1024) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/images/wallpapers/RR64-Linux-background-1280.png)
RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 Wallpaper (oriz. text - 2560x1024) (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/gentoo/images/wallpapers/RR64-Linux-background-2560.png)
Post Install Screenshot 1 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/miniEdition/screenshots/3.0RC1/post-inst.png)
Post Install Screenshot 2 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/miniEdition/screenshots/3.0RC1/post-inst2.png)
Tor Enabled Screenshot (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/miniEdition/screenshots/3.0RC1/tor-enabled.png)

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[RAV TUX]

While Sabayon Linux is the best distro I have found. I find the forums overall very technical and advanced.

I doesn't come with the proper codec to play videos atleast here in the US, So I will have to load them.

[Jucato]

Another interesting find by yozef! :D

Just a few questions about it:
1. Isn't the RR64 version for 64-bit processors, while the RR4 is for the 32-bit ones?

2. the list of features you gave (which you quoted from the main site) is a bit ambiguous. Does it mean that all lines after "Same techinical specifications of RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 (full), except:" are not found in the "mini" CD versions? The listing format is quite unclear.

3. It's a good KDE distro (I'm taking your word for it). But would you recommend it for beginner/intermediate level Linux users? You compared it to both SimplyMEPIS and Kubuntu, which are notoriously famous for being oriented towards new Linux users. RR4/RR64 is Gentoo based, though, so I'm having some thoughts about it.

I might try downloading the ISO and try it out on VMWare first, before I make a test install. I'm looking at the screenshots now. Looks good, but I don't like the default wallpaper for RR4.

[RAV TUX]

Another interesting find by yozef! :D

Just a few questions about it:
1. Isn't the RR64 version for 64-bit processors, while the RR4 is for the 32-bit ones?

2. the list of features you gave (which you quoted from the main site) is a bit ambiguous. Does it mean that all lines after "Same techinical specifications of RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 (full), except:" are not found in the "mini" CD versions? The listing format is quite unclear.

3. It's a good KDE distro (I'm taking your word for it). But would you recommend it for beginner/intermediate level Linux users? You compared it to both SimplyMEPIS and Kubuntu, which are notoriously famous for being oriented towards new Linux users. RR4/RR64 is Gentoo based, though, so I'm having some thoughts about it.

I might try downloading the ISO and try it out on VMWare first, before I make a test install. I'm looking at the screenshots now. Looks good, but I don't like the default wallpaper for RR4.

This is one of the top finds that I have found and I am very pleased with the overall look, feel and usability of Sabayon.

1. Yes I believe you are correct the RR64 is for 64 bit.

2. This a bit confusing because it does start out as a list of exceptions but then without warning begins to make other notes. (Thanks for reminding my about the quote, I forgot to place it in qoutes)

I believe the exception statement only pertains to the following line:



Same techinical specifications of RR64 Linux 3.0RC1 (full), except:
No SMP kernel available (only a normal mono-processor kernel 2.6.16.11)
The second bullet appears to be a mistake.

3. I would say this is NOT good for beginners but intermediate or advanced at best. Saying that I consider myself a beginner, but keep in mind it is based on Gentoo but it is preconfigured so you don't have to mess with shell commands. I would say the learning curve would be the same as Ubuntu in general but the forums seem to be filled with advanced users so this is why I don't recommend it for beginners.

overall I am pleased with it but I have a couple of hurdles,

1. I have to install codecs, I popped a movie in and it gives great info and link for what I need to load but doesn't automagically play the movie like dyne-bolic does. This can be expected for most distros with some exceptions.

2. The installer is a Gentoo installer which is very easy to use. I am just a bit unfimiliar with it.

I am still only running the live CD. My wife appears to like it but felt sad when she saw Tux full of thorns.

[Jucato]

I couldn't understand/appreciate the concept behind the wallpapers. They have different wallpapers for RR64 and RR4. The one for RR64 is the cactus-like Tux, which is a bit strange, if not demented (couldn't think up of an appropriate adjective). The one for RR4 has a phrase that goes "the story of one fried egg. Mrs. Hen and the Linux penguin". Really strange.

The default RR4 theme looks almost like MEPIS. I'm guessing they're probably using similar icon themes, widget styles, window decorations, etc. I guess I have to really install it (not in VMWare) to get a "feel" of the speed you're talking about. But I might not go there yet. I'm not yet prepared to go into Gentoo (and Slackware) yet. (I haven't even tried any RPM-based distro).

Some other time maybe...

[RAV TUX]

I couldn't understand/appreciate the concept behind the wallpapers. They have different wallpapers for RR64 and RR4. The one for RR64 is the cactus-like Tux, which is a bit strange, if not demented (couldn't think up of an appropriate adjective). The one for RR4 has a phrase that goes "the story of one fried egg. Mrs. Hen and the Linux penguin". Really strange.

The default RR4 theme looks almost like MEPIS. I'm guessing they're probably using similar icon themes, widget styles, window decorations, etc. I guess I have to really install it (not in VMWare) to get a "feel" of the speed you're talking about. But I might not go there yet. I'm not yet prepared to go into Gentoo (and Slackware) yet. (I haven't even tried any RPM-based distro).

Some other time maybe...

I felt it is a lot more polished and professional then the Mepis Distro.

I honestly felt it is quite easy overall, I have tried Gentoo and was always impressed with it. Sabayon could in Theory be called "easy Gentoo".

[RAV TUX]

OK I am going to attempt an install of Sabayon Linux now.

I'll follow up.

[Jucato]

Hey Jozef, you might find this interview interesting:

http://dot.kde.org/1153960955/

It's an interview with Fabio Erculani, founder and developer of Sabayon.

From the interview, it seems that Sabayon is developed by only one man. I'm usually scared of one-man-team distros... :(

[RAV TUX]

Hey Jozef, you might find this interview interesting:

http://dot.kde.org/1153960955/

It's an interview with Fabio Erculani, founder and developer of Sabayon.



Thanks for the link.




From the interview, it seems that Sabayon is developed by only one man. I'm usually scared of one-man-team distros... :(

This is why I shy away from Mepis.

[Jucato]

Except that MEPIS isn't really just a one man team, although Warren does get the spotlight most of the time.

http://www.mepis.org/people
(and a few scattered posts in this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201614)

Contrast that to:

I counted only on myself. I grab and even steal every good idea from the users and try to implement that. I do not follow a timed release schedule, because it's something stupid in my opinion, I prefer to follow a feature release schedule. Working alone is quite hard, but if you believe on what you are doing, you can do everything you want. An example? Try to compare the latest RR4 release with any other KDE-based distribution and keep in mind that I've always worked alone. The results? Just let me know...

Hey, I'm not bashing Sabayon or anything. :D

[RAV TUX]

Except that MEPIS isn't really just a one man team, although Warren does get the spotlight most of the time.

http://www.mepis.org/people
(and a few scattered posts in this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201614)

Contrast that to:


Hey, I'm not bashing Sabayon or anything. :D

Thats OK I have moved beyond testing Sabayon about 10 distros ago.

[hizaguchi]

So, did you get it installed? When you say you moved beyond testing it, does that mean that you weren't fully impressed in the long run? I'm very interested in this distro for my 64 bit laptop.
I love Ubuntu, but it seems that 64 bit support is growing too rapidly for a 6 month release cycle and since I'm looking into compiling some stuff from source anyway, portage would be handy. Is it worth downloading a DVD worth of files? If I did the CD instead could I later add the missing components (do they use the same portage tree)?

[RAV TUX]

So, did you get it installed? When you say you moved beyond testing it, does that mean that you weren't fully impressed in the long run? I'm very interested in this distro for my 64 bit laptop.
I love Ubuntu, but it seems that 64 bit support is growing too rapidly for a 6 month release cycle and since I'm looking into compiling some stuff from source anyway, portage would be handy. Is it worth downloading a DVD worth of files? If I did the CD instead could I later add the missing components (do they use the same portage tree)?

I didn't install just tested the live CD, it does use the Gentoo installer, I used the CD version on my computer with an Intel EM64T (64 bit dualcore) processor.

I didn't use the DVD version since for some reason the option to boot from DVD has been left off of my BIOS menu.

You do need to install codecs to play movies on DVD.

[RAV TUX]

I have decided to start a series of threads specifically for technical help for other Distros...the Distro is listed in the thread title. This is primarily for Ubuntu users who test or use other distros and feel most comfortable seeking help in our own community. In no way does this superceed the help you should also be getting from the perspective Distro., in fact I encourage you to be as active in their forums as you are here and post ideas, knowledge and solutions here to provide a reference point to share, reference links are encouraged.

***Sabayon Tech Talk***

Threads merged:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221399
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=231245

[RAV TUX]

The New Sabayon Linux x86/x86-64 3.0RC2 out !........

seeders are needed for the bittorrent to speed the downloads....


If you haven't tried this awesome distro, now would be the time to give it go, I'm looking forward to trying out the New SabayonLinux Installer (based on Anaconda Installer from FC5, boot with "gentoo installer-gui" to directly start the Graphical Installation and "console installer-text" for the Text-based Installation)



http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/images/sllogo-mid.png
THANKS to our BETA team, Christopher Villareal (cvill64) and Rùben Gonçalves - sparse order:

Danny Brown
Luca Palermo
Luca Casagrande
Patrick Keane
Olivier (BuBU)
Clemens Koller
John Hawk
Raoul
-- Since I surely have missed someone - please mail me!!! http://www.lxnaydesign.net/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

August 15th, 2006 - The Internet:

"Sabayon is an Italian dessert made with egg yolks, sugar, a sweet liquor (usually Marsala wine), and sometimes cream or whole eggs. It is a very light custard, which has been whipped to incorporate a large amount of air."

The World's first and fastest Gentoo Linux powered distribution now changes its name. A change of style and unification for the RR4/RR64 Linux projects. Our mission is simple: making things that just work, using one of the most scalable Operating System.

NEW FEATURES:

New SabayonLinux branding and theming (for GNOME, KDE and XGL/cgwd)
Desktop Wallpaper copyright by Tigaer Design (http://www.tigaer-design.com/)
New SabayonLinux Installer (based on Anaconda Installer from FC5, boot with "gentoo installer-gui" to directly start the Graphical Installation and "console installer-text" for the Text-based Installation)
Media Center functionalities (Run Freevo automagically using "mediacenter" kernel and GeeXbox using "geexbox" kernel)
Complete support (except DRI for now on Intel based video cards) for Intel Macs on the Live system (no installation support yet)
ColdWar (http://www.coldwar-game.com/) Demo (the fastest way to try ColdWar on a GNU/Linux system) just boot using "coldwar" or "coldwarsmp"
Linux kernel 2.6.17.8 (genpatches 6) and a highly improved Hardware detection
Latest ATI 8.27.10 video drivers with improved XGL support
Packages based sporting GCC 4.1 optimizations
Complete LVM2 and software RAID support on the Installer
KDE 3.5.4, GNOME 2.12.3, XFCE 4.2.3, Fluxbox 1.0RC1, Enlightenment 16
Skype 1.3 ! (finally)
Complete Gstreamer 0.10 support
Network Manager and KNetworkManager integration
Complete and enhanced Localization support on both Live and installed system
New SabayonLinux Portage overlay management
New session= boot option for x86-64 (session=kde, session=xfce, session=fluxbox, session=gnome, session=e16 to autologin into a specific desktop)
New opengl= boot option for x86-64 (available options: xorg-x11,nvidia,ati)
Added xdriver= boot option to force X.Org to use a specific video driver
Added sound=mute to disable the automatic sound mixer configuration
Added Tor/Privoxy support to x86-64 (to enable TOR just add "tor" at the ISOLINUX prompt)
Optimized memory consumption (reduced the memory requirement from 18Mb)

Bug fixes, important updates and new applications (for a complete list of the packages, see below):

Portage Snapshot from 02 August 2006
New SabayonLinux overlay (http://svn.sabayonlinuxdev.com)
Updated NetworkManager to 0.6.4
Changed default CFLAGS on SL x86-64 to get everything compile correctly (x86-64)
Updated GRUB with SabayonLinux theme
kdelibs now compiled with ACL support
Updated rt2570 driver to a working CVS snapshot
Removed compiz-vanilla and added compiz-quinnstorm
Compiz now uses cgwd and its themes
Updated gnash to 0.7.1_p20060704 on x86-64
Updated Amarok to 1.4.2_beta1
Updated Kuroo to 0.80.2
Updated Opera to 9.0
Updated ALSA to 1.0.12_rc1
Updated aMule to 2.1.3
Updated WINE to 0.9.18 on x86
Updated ATI Drivers to 8.27.10
Updated Inkscape to 0.44
Updated Azureus to 2.4.0.2
Updated CUPS to 1.2.2
Updated OpenOffice to 2.0.3
Changed NetworkManager and kNetworkManager policy to use plugdev group
KDE Language configuration now configure the root user too
Changed the hostname to sabayonx86 and sabayonx86-64
Changed the Primary User to sabayonuser (on the LIVE System just press Enter on the Login screen)
Updated to sys-fs/ntfsprogs-1.13.1 with fuse enabled (Read/Write NTFS is now possible)
Unified the GNOME and KDE Update Installer Icon
Mozilla Firefox and OpenOffice now have the chosen localization (if the Language Pack is available)
Improved Intel video card auto detection (i945 and i845 are now automatically configured)
Changed Default GTK icons theme to Tango
Disabled SSH root login by default
Disabled Option DPMS in xorg.conf
Removed problematic progsreiserfs
Correctly masked all X.Org 7.1
fixed X.Org Cirrus driver on x86
removed problematic kdelibs pertty patches on x86-64
removed buggy confcache on x86
Added ManDVD 2.0.9
Added Kmldonkey 0.10.1
Added Firestarter 1.0.3 to x86-64
Added ekiga 2.0.2 and asterisk 1.2.9_p1
Added kmyfirewall 1.0.1
Added Google Earth Beta4 to x86-64
Added pine to x86-64
Added knock to x86-64
Added /usr/share/sounds/sabayonlinux_startup.ogg as startup sound (sweet! thanks kde-apps.org)
Added Basket 0.5
Added unionfs 1.3 support to x86
Added module-rebuild to x86-64
Added rt61 wireless driver
Added ATM support to ppp utility
Added br2684ctl driver
Added ueagle-atm driver
Added acx driver to x86

IMPORTANT NOTES:

This distribution contains libdvdcss look here if you live in the U.S. ! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decss).
This distribution contains proprietary and non-GPL softwares too (like from NVIDIA, ATI, Google, etc). Before running them, be sure to read their license and agree with that, otherwise, just remove those applications. To run SabayonLinux without Proprietary drivers, just use "noproprietary" boot flag.
Reiser4 is disabled on the Installer (to enabled it just add "reiser4" to your boot options) - USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
When you exit ColdWar (if you boot with "coldwar" and "coldwarsmp") the System will shut down automatically.
Trademarks are property of their respective owners, everywhere.

RESOURCES for SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 (revision F):

SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 Torrent download (http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=2667)
SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 FTP Download (use with care !) (ftp://sabayon.peoplesquest.com/Sabayon/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2f.iso)
SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 MD5 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/md5/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2f.iso.md5)
Kernel configuration no-SMP (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/kconfigs/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2.nosmp.config)
Kernel configuration SMP (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/kconfigs/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2.smp.config)
SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 Package list (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/pkglist/SabayonLinux-x86-3.0RC2.packages.txt)
SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 extra documentation :: soon ::
SabayonLinux x86/x86-64 Screenshots (http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=711&slide=7&title=sabayonlinux+x86+3.0+rc2+screenshots)

RESOURCES for SabayonLinux x86-64 3.0RC2 (revision A):

SabayonLinux x86-64 3.0RC2 Torrent download (http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=2669)
SabayonLinux x86-64 3.0RC2 FTP Download (use with care !) (ftp://sabayon.peoplesquest.com/Sabayon/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2a.iso)
SabayonLinux x86-64 3.0RC2 MD5 (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/md5/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2a.iso.md5)
Kernel configuration no-SMP (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/kconfigs/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2.nosmp.config)
Kernel configuration SMP (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/kconfigs/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2.smp.config)
SabayonLinux x86-64 3.0RC2 Package list (http://www.lxnaydesign.net/sabayon/pkglist/SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2.packages.txt)
SabayonLinux x86 3.0RC2 extra documentation :: soon ::
SabayonLinux x86/x86-64 Screenshots (http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=711&slide=7&title=sabayonlinux+x86+3.0+rc2+screenshots)

[hizaguchi]

I'm downloading the torrent now. The improved hardware detection has my hopes up because the last time I tried it got stuck trying to figure out my sound card and wouldn't boot. Plus I need somewhere else to get my Xgl fix since Suse has decided to go oddly unstable on me.

[hizaguchi]

Eh, I'm not convinced. It was a very easy install (even in text mode), and it gave me a fully functional system minus XGL. I was afraid to try xgl because it was crashing on the live CD, but I did spend the day with the KDE desktop and I wasn't impressed. Too many extra apps and too much gtk in my qt. Did I mention too many redundant apps? The "Internet" menu is downright intimidating, and I've been using Suse.

I rate it high for ease of installation and hardware support (even my HD audio card was detected), but very low for overall appeal and ease of use, because the default desktop looks like my little brother's Windows after 2 years of surfing the internet and clicking "OK" impulsively.

[neighborlee]

Eh, I'm not convinced. It was a very easy install (even in text mode), and it gave me a fully functional system minus XGL. I was afraid to try xgl because it was crashing on the live CD, but I did spend the day with the KDE desktop and I wasn't impressed. Too many extra apps and too much gtk in my qt. Did I mention too many redundant apps? The "Internet" menu is downright intimidating, and I've been using Suse.

I rate it high for ease of installation and hardware support (even my HD audio card was detected), but very low for overall appeal and ease of use, because the default desktop looks like my little brother's Windows after 2 years of surfing the internet and clicking "OK" impulsively.

LOL wow it sounds like its really got bloat ;-)..thx for the warning ;-)...

any developer that talks to egotistically about 'try it and remember I am the only one here and look what I've done!' wont get me to come onboard anytime sooon.

cheers
g.leej(nl)

[RAV TUX]

I still haven't tried it, just got back from vacation, still using Knoppix and Ubuntu.

[RAV TUX]

The mini-edition rc2 has just been released for those who want a trim and fit Sabayon

[gruvsyco]

The mini-edition rc2 has just been released for those who want a trim and fit Sabayon

I'm sitting at 56% on the very very slow download. I tried the torrent but got some kind of error. I'm really hoping it'll work out for me. It looks nice and would be a great addition to my Ubuntu Dapper(XGL) and Edgy(AIGLX) installs and, I already have the partition available.

57% now.

I've been wanting to get a Gentoo install up and running for a while and, as computer literate as I consider myself... just can't bring myself to get any of the other gentoo distros I've tried working.

*crosses fingers*

[RAV TUX]

I'm sitting at 56% on the very very slow download. I tried the torrent but got some kind of error. I'm really hoping it'll work out for me. It looks nice and would be a great addition to my Ubuntu Dapper(XGL) and Edgy(AIGLX) installs and, I already have the partition available.

57% now.

I've been wanting to get a Gentoo install up and running for a while and, as computer literate as I consider myself... just can't bring myself to get any of the other gentoo distros I've tried working.

*crosses fingers*

It is worth the wait,....Sabayon is the future of linux today...beautiful distro.

I will probably dual boot to Knoppix on my primary computer.

[gruvsyco]

It is worth the wait,....Sabayon is the future of linux today...beautiful distro.

I will probably dual boot to Knoppix on my primary computer.

For me, it's not a matter of worth the wait... it's more a "I hope this **** works this time".

I've tried Gentoo, Kororaa, rr4 3.0 rc1 and some other one I don't remember... They seem to function ok live but, either seem to hang somewhere on install or due to something I set, don't fully boot up correctly (as in, no internet). I'll keep trying though. Dapper is my main gig right now but, I'm slowly feeling Edgy.

[RAV TUX]

For me, it's not a matter of worth the wait... it's more a "I hope this **** works this time".

I've tried Gentoo, Kororaa, rr4 3.0 rc1 and some other one I don't remember... They seem to function ok live but, either seem to hang somewhere on install or due to something I set, don't fully boot up correctly (as in, no internet). I'll keep trying though. Dapper is my main gig right now but, I'm slowly feeling Edgy.

I understand,...I wish for you the best possible outcome....the Sabayon forums are very helpful btw

[gruvsyco]

I understand,...I wish for you the best possible outcome....the Sabayon forums are very helpful btw

71%

yup... been cruising them. I probably won't go so far as to ask questions if I get hang ups unless the LiveCD just knocks my socks off. If I do get it up and running with any satisfaction, I'll post some feedback here.

[RAV TUX]

71%

yup... been cruising them. I probably won't go so far as to ask questions if I get hang ups unless the LiveCD just knocks my socks off. If I do get it up and running with any satisfaction, I'll post some feedback here.

Hey, did you get the live CD running?

[gruvsyco]

posting from it right now! 2nd boot... had to come back and find out what the password to login was. While I was at it, I looked into passing options on boot for XGL and resolution so, I'm sitting here in a Live session with XGL at 1600x1200.

My first impression on boot up was... christ not another freakin Vista theme. Other than that, It's looking ok. Not sure if I'll try the install right now or not

[gruvsyco]

Oh... and he really needs to do something about the remaining crappy plasticy blue KDE icons. That theme is the worst.

[RAV TUX]

Oh... and he really needs to do something about the remaining crappy plasticy blue KDE icons. That theme is the worst.

what version? do you have a screenshot? it sounds so different then the version I ran

rr64 mini or something of that nature

[gruvsyco]

I'm running the mini that was released today... the icons are the standard KDE blue plastic looking ones. I'm installing now, hopefully I'll boot with services. It would be nice to modify this rig a bit :).

[gruvsyco]

Well, this is cool. It actually installed. What's cooler is that it passed the arguments I used when booting the LiveCD on to the installation so... it installed with XGL, Latest ATI drivers and at 1600x1200 resolution.

I'll have to dig around a bit... it seems a lot slower to boot then Ubuntu. I'm sure that once it's tweaked, it will be alright.

[gruvsyco]

I've played around with it a little now and, I would really like to figure out how to get it completely optimized now... p4/hyperthreading... whatever. I'm getting 500-1000 fps better on Sabayon than I do on Dapper.

[kazuya]

It is pretty good. I cannot say bloated. I love the look of the interface with kde 3.5.4. It seems very snappy after being installed. Ubuntu is faster to setup, but Sabayon gives you gentoo without configuration headaches. After install, I think there is a way to reconfigure or have everything reinstaled with simple CLI or a fron end like synaptic called kuroo.

I am looking forward to better optimizing it. I sense its responsiveness over dapper already.

However, it does not automatically detect and give me the option of booting windows or accessing my other partitions as easily without propbably messing with fstab to add other partitions.

This is where dapper excels.

It comes with most of the codecs you would require, and many more. Once one learns how to update and upgrade and sync packages, this machine would become a monster on speed. It is worth it for me. And it looks polished.

PS: I have installed the newest sabayon RR4 livecd version. Mplayer and xine works fine without any extra installs. The wallpers you can change, but I like the one on there. I would post a screenshot someday.

Dapper is still the standard for me of what other OSes should be like {newer machines}. Vector or slack is the best option for older PCs, and relatively new PCs also. Gentoo thanks to Sabayon, may be the answer to all types of PCs. Old {Compile times may be the side effect}, and new PCs.

[SoundMachine]

Maybe since they fixed the installer, it had the habit of scratching the entire partition table before.

I still consider it a hobby project that needs a couple of "stable" version under the hood.

And it's gentoo, ugh, i have better use for systems resourses than compiling for absolutely no reason at all.

[kazuya]

I booted it with this at prompt,
boot: gentoo xgl

Use this to boot and you would be amazed. I was stunned at what you could do with xgl. The speed was awesome. I wish this gets ported into dapper somehow. I have tried, but have not been successful.

This reason mainly is why I dabble with it. However, it is slow to bootup for me right now. I still have not gotten kuroo {similar to synaptic} to play nice.

I use it for the craziness. Multimedia and everything else just works. But I sadly still have not found a way to install gnome or other packages yet with it. I keep getting masked issues. Packages are being hidden or kept so as to prevent changing certain things already in place by sabayon. Once I master how to use the package manager, I would be able to fully reinstall all packages and perhaps better optimize them for even more speed than exists right now. I know things launch only slightly faster than Ubuntu right now.

While faced with it, I cannot help and cannot shake this feeling of the world it is about to take me into. A realm far far from what I have been accostomed to.

I am a dapper guy. Dapper is the best adaptation of the gnome interface.

Sabayon would go places.

[RAV TUX]

I booted it with this at prompt,
boot: gentoo xgl

Use this to boot and you would be amazed. I was stunned at what you could do with xgl. The speed was awesome. I wish this gets ported into dapper somehow. I have tried, but have not been successful.

This reason mainly is why I dabble with it. However, it is slow to bootup for me right now. I still have not gotten kuroo {similar to synaptic} to play nice.

I use it for the craziness. Multimedia and everything else just works. But I sadly still have not found a way to install gnome or other packages yet with it. I keep getting masked issues. Packages are being hidden or kept so as to prevent changing certain things already in place by sabayon. Once I master how to use the package manager, I would be able to fully reinstall all packages and perhaps better optimize them for even more speed than exists right now. I know things launch only slightly faster than Ubuntu right now.

While faced with it, I cannot help and cannot shake this feeling of the world it is about to take me into. A realm far far from what I have been accostomed to.

I am a dapper guy. Dapper is the best adaptation of the gnome interface.

Sabayon would go places.


Embrace "Emerge"...utilize the command line....it is faster and better then Kuroo, klik or the synaptic package manager.

boot time for me is about 4.5 seconds to 16.5....

pretty damn fast, much faster then Ubuntu or anything else I have used with the exception of PC-BSD....

not sure why boot time is important I usually leave my OS up and running and just turn off the monitor...

[spudw]

slow to boot, but much faster than kubuntu with xgl/compiz!:-D

[raffytaffy]

live installer wont work for me...says the "partition is in use"

[mips]

Busy downloading the SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.0RC2b.miniEdition.iso right now.

Went to the website & irc channel and like what I see so far.

Just wish they had better ftp sites/mirrors as the download is painfully slow.

[spudw]

ive decided to stick with sabayon. i like all the ubuntus and i will hand out the cd's to friends and family but i really like this distro. its so responsive and stable. i cant complain about compile times cuz i can just download binarys if they are available. btw yozef how did u get such fast boot time?:-k

[mips]

Ok, I have sabyon x86-64 RC2 installed.

My xorg.conf is not looking to hot, needs editing.
Fonts are not to hot but can be fixed
kuroo does not work, spits out an error.
I don't like the dual panel setup, can be fixed.

Besides that I like it a lot. Just have to start reading up on emerge.

How did you get your boot times so fast ???

[RAV TUX]

Ok, I have sabyon x86-64 RC2 installed.

My xorg.conf is not looking to hot, needs editing.
Fonts are not to hot but can be fixed
kuroo does not work, spits out an error.
I don't like the dual panel setup, can be fixed.

Besides that I like it a lot. Just have to start reading up on emerge.

How did you get your boot times so fast ???

Emerge is Sabayon's strongest selling point....embrace emerge.

boot time may be fast because I have a 64bit dual core but also through the BIOS menu there is an option for a fast boot...try this.

[RAV TUX]

Sabayon is my primary OS on my primary computer,....I will continue to always use Ubuntu on my older computer....I will continue to Mod the Ubuntuforums and actively distribute Ubuntu...

(side note: I have downloading StartCom...will burn and test later)

[mips]

Emerge is Sabayon's strongest selling point....embrace emerge.


I tried but even emerge does not work. Spits out errors to the effect that the 'arch' version is not specified or unknown. Where would I specify which arch i have ??? I google, found similair problems but no answers that fixed my problem.

I'm not using sabayon currently as I just did a kubuntu reinstall. I'm probably gonna reinstall sabayon and try and make it work. If I can get it fixed I will probably stick with it as I liked what i saw & I would like to use a 64bit distro as debian based 64bit is lacking multi-arch which is sad.

I checked my BIOS and found no fast-boot option. Sabayon feels like it takes longer to load than kubuntu.

[kazuya]

I have this same issue. I have tried some fixes. Try this:

emerge --sync && emerge portage kuroo && kuroo

I recommend you check out this site:

emerge --sync is like apt-get update. the other part would update kuroo and then launch it for you. - I am still trying to figure out how to deal with my MASKs issues. The best thing to do is try, get an error and copy and paste error to forum, so someone can help. I feel once done with this step, and as you keep using and dabblig with it, you would soon be hooked on it totally..


http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=0ae43874f9b6de15d86a4dfeb81a57c5

I cannot upgrade or install softwares yet, but it remains my new favorite distro for showcasing the potential of linux. XGL on this thing is fast and wondrous. I may have to send my screenshots here one of these days. But you have to see it to appreciate it. codecs for multimedia all works.

If I downloaded the DVD version then I almost would not need to download any softwares, just use the apps.

[spudw]

I tried but even emerge does not work. Spits out errors to the effect that the 'arch' version is not specified or unknown. Where would I specify which arch i have ??? I google, found similair problems but no answers that fixed my problem.

I'm not using sabayon currently as I just did a kubuntu reinstall. I'm probably gonna reinstall sabayon and try and make it work. If I can get it fixed I will probably stick with it as I liked what i saw & I would like to use a 64bit distro as debian based 64bit is lacking multi-arch which is sad.

I checked my BIOS and found no fast-boot option. Sabayon feels like it takes longer to load than kubuntu.

did you emerge --sync after install? thats always the first thing i do. it takes awhile to sync

[mips]

I feel once done with this step, and as you keep using and dabblig with it, you would soon be hooked on it totally..


I think I have to agree with you there. I like it more than (K)Ubuntu.

I'm going to do a fresh install of it and try again. I will start posting to the forums in the hope that the few issues I have get fixed.

I will try your suggestions.

[RAV TUX]

I have only installed the DVD version,...emerge works flawlessly without fail.....see this forum thread to see how easy emerge is:

http://cafelinux.org/forums/index.php/topic,224.0.html

[RAV TUX]

I am downloading the latest version now.

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[xXx 0wn3d xXx]

I have just finished burning the Sabayon cd. Hopefully it will work...

[kerry_s]

Sabayon is pretty cool, i just down loaded and burned yesterday(mini version). I just ran it as livecd so i could show my dad how the xgl looks. Running xgl from a livecd is really cool. I use fluxbox and openbox so xgl doesn't work for me ;) . I was surprised that the mini cd also has fluxbox, not configured good, but still it's there. I am totaly a debian person so i don't think i'll install it yet.

I was wondering though, when running from the livecd it was really slow. I mean i've run lots of livecd's on this computer and sabayon has the longest boot time i've ever seen.

How is the speed of your installed sabayon? is the boot time really long? How responsive are the kde apps in sabayon?

Thanks

[RAV TUX]

I am still attempting the download, trying the Bittorrent now......on a side note I reinstalled 3.0 RC2.....I missed the Bling of Sabayon...

don't forget to take the Top Distro Poll,...here:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1549432
or here:
http://cafelinux.org/forums/index.php/topic,375.0.html

[mips]

I'm writing this from the livecd, busy re-installing it as I type.

The thing that amazes me is that even the livecd feels so much more responsive than my standard kubuntu install.

The livecd installer is also great, very good piece of work.

Once installed and i get emerge to work, then sort out a few minor issues i might just stay for good thia time.

[xXx 0wn3d xXx]

I am going to try the x86_64 version. I couldn't get the bcm43xx drivers for my broadcom to work. Plus there was this weird hang at the start of bootup. I would hang for 10-15 seconds with no disk activity and then boot.

[mips]

I'm beginning to have doubts. Started a emerge sync and it's been going for over an hour now... I'm not the most patient of people.

lol, I also somehow managed to loose the default sabyon theme.

Waiting for emerge to finish so I can reboot to see if my xorg changes work.

Think i'll go watch some tv until emerge has done its thing....

btw: I'm using the 64bit rc2b cd. Don't want to download the latest mini version as I have limited bandwidth. how would one upgrade the distro to it's current status ?

[xXx 0wn3d xXx]

I'm beginning to have doubts. Started a emerge sync and it's been going for over an hour now... I'm not the most patient of people.

lol, I also somehow managed to loose the default sabyon theme.

Waiting for emerge to finish so I can reboot to see if my xorg changes work.

Think i'll go watch some tv until emerge has done its thing....

btw: I'm using the 64bit rc2b cd. Don't want to download the latest mini version as I have limited bandwidth. how would one upgrade the distro to it's current status ?
After syncing emerge run

emerge portage
as root. Anyway, I'm done with Sabayon. It takes about 2 minutes to boot and it keeps disconnecting me from the internet. I have had alot of problems with this distro. Ubuntu takes 30 seconds after I have fully configured it. It has potential but other then that it has nothing.

[mips]

I never got past the synching part. It timed out three times during the synching process.

I've decided to can it.

Has a lot of potential but I don't have the time to make it work right now.

[RAV TUX]

I switched back to Knoppix

computer #1....Ubuntu

computer #2....Knoppix

[Kulgan]

I'm working on an old comp, and it doesn't seem to want to boot into the cd (or rather, dvd). I have tried both in CD drive and in the DVD drive. In the first it sort of snags for a little while, then boots from the hard drive (mepis - that's the last thing I tried out).

Any ideas about it? I tried downloading the mini version, but I kept on being rejected by the tracker, so I gave up.

Thanks

K

[xXx 0wn3d xXx]

I switched back to Sabayon and everything is going fine. I chose the x86 version this time. It's fast, it looks good, and it works. I just had to fix a few overlay problems and then everything was fine. Now I am just learning to use emerge and I am getting quite good.

[Kulgan]

good for you :P

I don't really like sabyon - don't ask. It's just not my kind of thing. We all like different things :D

[RAV TUX]

I'm working on an old comp, and it doesn't seem to want to boot into the cd (or rather, dvd). I have tried both in CD drive and in the DVD drive. In the first it sort of snags for a little while, then boots from the hard drive (mepis - that's the last thing I tried out).

Any ideas about it? I tried downloading the mini version, but I kept on being rejected by the tracker, so I gave up.

Thanks

K

I would suggest not using the regular version it is not built for older computers....I have heard the mini version should work fine so you should keep trying to download and burn the mini version.

also give Aquamorph (morphix>knoppix>debian based) a try:
http://aquariusoft.org/page/linux/

[Kulgan]

well, I can't do it on my testing machine - I blew the processor right off!

mebbe I'll give it a try on lappy...

[rozojc]

Ok, I'm confused... Sabayon is based on Gentoo, and as such, it's should be a really fast distribution... Of course, the Live CD should be slow, but once installed it should be significantly faster than Dapper... But now I just read this whole thread and it doesn't seem so...

So, those of you who actually did a hard drive install; was it really faster than dapper? Did you try to recompile everything with emerge and then checked the speed?

I'm thinking if changing Ubuntu (I still think it's a great distribution but I'm looking for something faster), and I don't want to make a Sabayon install without any references...

[RAV TUX]

Ok, I'm confused... Sabayon is based on Gentoo, and as such, it's should be a really fast distribution... Of course, the Live CD should be slow, but once installed it should be significantly faster than Dapper... But now I just read this whole thread and it doesn't seem so...

So, those of you who actually did a hard drive install; was it really faster than dapper? Did you try to recompile everything with emerge and then checked the speed?

I'm thinking if changing Ubuntu (I still think it's a great distribution but I'm looking for something faster), and I don't want to make a Sabayon install without any references...

Installed on my harddrive and yes it was significantly fast...

also for a super fast distro, try Aquamorph

but my current primary OS is Knoppix (Debian installed with the Knoppix installer)

[Chaffar]

Ok, I'm confused... Sabayon is based on Gentoo, and as such, it's should be a really fast distribution... Of course, the Live CD should be slow, but once installed it should be significantly faster than Dapper... But now I just read this whole thread and it doesn't seem so...

Yeah it's based on Gentoo; but installing Sabayon is made using pre-compiled binary packages, whereas with Gentoo you can (and preferably should) install the whole operating system using source code.

IMHO a well-configured Gentoo shouldn't be any slower than Sabayon, if it isn't faster.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Sabayon looks like a great backup for me, I loaded the live CD and it detects just as much of my hardware as Ubuntu Dapper.
I will keep it around just in case I get bored of Ubuntu :D

[Kulgan]

could such a thing happen?

[SunnyRabbiera]

Well its in the matter of if future builds dont work for me as well as Dapper

[phersotty]

Sabayon works out of the box on a MacBook. I was absolutely shocked and stunned by the simplicity of it all.:KS

Unfreekin believable!

Installs grub no problem. Loads Beryl on startup

(type:
sabayon xgl when booting the liveCD)

and it also detects the Atheros wifi.

The weird thing is, is that they don't even realize how good it is on the MacBook. Hardly any mention of intel mac in their forums.

Seriously you've got to try this out if you have a MacBook. I am not thumbing Ubuntu. I have Ubuntu on my pcc mac mini, but for the MacBook Sabayon is perfect for the Macbook!

[igknighted]

Wait until you use portage... if you don't mind waiting for compiling, it is BY FAR the best package manager in linux

[SunnyRabbiera]

Nah, not in my opinion as the compiling takes a long time and installing stuff is not for the weak at heart.
I think Synaptic is the best package manager, dependancy resolution and stuff like that is easily fixed without the need of command line.

[Kulgan]

"best" depends on what you want, doesn't it?

if you don't mind spending that little extra time when installing, portage is great - but for noobs like myself, Synaptic is great.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Well as a package manager i think synaptic is better then a good percentage of its compitition in the dust...
YUM really sucks, Yast too.
Smart package manager is Alright but I can tell its not ready.
autopackage is promising, but still behind in nuber of packages.
Klik is alright but that too is lacking to me.
Synaptic is very good at its job, its both graphical but very good at what it does.

[Kulgan]

so long as it is not CNR... "click and run"... click and get REALLY pist off!

[d3v1ant_0n3]

I just found sabayon a few hours ago and I'm giving the Live DVD a spin.

I'm stupidly impressed. All my hardware has been picked up (Ubuntu was the one one to do that I think), AIGLX and Beryl running from the live cd is very cool. The DVD is LOADED- to the point of confusion almost.

I've only really used Ubuntu based distros so far(K/Ubuntu and Mepis) to any degree, but I'm seriously considering giving this a whirl. NOw to work out how to dual boot 2 distros....

*me goes to search*

Darn. Worked out my partitions. Worked out how to adjust GRUB. Ran the installer from the live dvd. Segfaulted. Crap.

[RAV TUX]

The latest Sabayon build is out and available for download!!!;)

SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.torrent (http://www.linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=3193&name=SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.torrent)


Sabayon Linux 3.2 x86 (formally known as RR4) a live DVD designed to transform a computer into a powerful Gentoo Linux system in less than 5 minutes. Gentoo Linux is a Linux distribution powered by a software install manager engine called "Portage". Besides functioning as a live DVD, Sabayon Linux can also be installed on a hard disk, acting effectively as an easy-to-use Gentoo installation disk. The live DVD includes a large range of desktop environments and open source software applications, such as KDE, GNOME, XFce, Fluxbox, KOffice, OpenOffice.org, FreeNX, amaroK, Kaffeine, etc.

http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3193

(downloading torrent now!)

[pay]

I still prefer Gentoo. I seem more in controll when I build everything and pick which programs to install instead of having a prebuild OS. If that made sense:confused:

[ixus_123]

I'm also downloading the torrent.

I hope I can burn it - getting weird DMA issues with Ubuntu. can burn CDs at 2x but it just wont take DVD at all at the moment :(

[pissedoffdude]

looks pretty cool but the dvd said that it would take 5 days so im getting the mini

[d3v1ant_0n3]

I was very impressed with the 3.1 live dvd, but the darn thing wouldn't install, and I ran out blank dvds. Makes for a very nice 'emergency' environment tho:D

[darkenedday]

I'm having some issues getting Sabayon 3.2, the links for http seem to be broken on there website, if there are any other free public mirrors could someone please tell me?


thanks!

[rsambuca]

Try distrowatch

http://distrowatch.cz/table.php?distribution=sabayon

Although, it is probably a lot faster if you use bit torrent. I have just finished installing 3.2, but haven't had time to play around with it yet.

[RAV TUX]

here is where I am at so far,....started the download around the same time I made my opening post.

[darkenedday]

Try distrowatch

http://distrowatch.cz/table.php?distribution=sabayon

Although, it is probably a lot faster if you use bit torrent. I have just finished installing 3.2, but haven't had time to play around with it yet.

tried the alternative links, the two free have only 3.1, madtux wants money (have money, nomeans to send it, no credit card) and I'm running windows, and for some strange reason, I never got more than 4kb/s on azureus using bit torrent, right now I'm running windows Vista beta 2 (ugh) and it doesn't have a bit torrent client by default, any suggestions?

[rsambuca]

I have been using utorrent on *******, which worked well for SL3.2, and I use ktorrent with ubuntu. I started it before bed and it was finished in the morning. I think you should just have patience as the download speed always seems to pick up after you have been going for a bit.

[RAV TUX]

download is done!....burning DVD now!!

[RAV TUX]

AWESOME!!!!!!!

I have never seen such a beautiful distro!!!

Sabayon KDE Beryl

this is live but I plan to install now I am in Love with Sabayon again!!!!

[RAV TUX]

another look at the default Sabayon desktop

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9256/snapshot1lf7.png (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1lf7.png)

[fuscia]

AWESOME!!!!!!!

I have never seen such a beautiful distro!!!

Sabayon KDE Beryl

this is live but I plan to install now I am in Love with Sabayon again!!!!

i'm glad you finally found one you like.

[RAV TUX]

i'm glad you finally found one you like.

Thanks

[RAV TUX]

Kuroo on Sabayon Linux 3.2 (installed;))

[RAV TUX]

******* (Full Screen) on Sabayon playing Eddie Izzard, Glorious "In Bed With God" chapter

[RAV TUX]

another ******* screenshot on Sabayon, still Eddie Izzard, Glorious "In Bed with God"

[RAV TUX]

Embracing "Easy" Emerge on Sabayon Linux 3.2 x86 (and Gentoo in general):

I will post screenshots of how easy emerge is:

using Emerge 101:

1. Sign into your root terminal:
a. open Terminal
b. type:
su
c. type in your "root" password

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3728/emerge1011io5.th.png (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3728/emerge1011io5.png)

2. search for your program: example: KSudoku

emerge -s ksudokuhttp://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8881/emerge1012oo9.th.png (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8881/emerge1012oo9.png)

3. search for dependencies(optional):

emerge -p ksudokuhttp://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3764/emerge1013jd0.th.png (http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3764/emerge1013jd0.png)

4. Install ksudoku:

emerge ksudokuhttp://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2725/emerge1014hm7.th.png (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2725/emerge1014hm7.png)

Then enjoy the fruits of your labor;)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4559/ksudokuor8.th.png (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4559/ksudokuor8.png)

all post and screenshots are made from Sabayon Linux 3.2 x86, respectively.

[pissedoffdude]

has anybody tried out the x86_64 version because im wondering if its worth downloading

[nalmeth]

I've been a fan of Sabayon for a month or two now, and this new release looks really nice.

Really nice.

But whats the deal with the default panels settings they have? It's a trivial thing to judge a distro on, but it always takes me a minute or two to adjust things to the way I like. I suppose it's the same with every other distro too.

Thanks for sharing all that, this is becoming a good place to find out more about different distros, first hand from users themselves.

[RAV TUX]

has anybody tried out the x86_64 version because im wondering if its worth downloading
I haven't tried it yet but will...since the Torrent takes about 3 days I will do this next week. I am sure that if the x86 build is any indicator the x86_64 version will rock also.

[RAV TUX]

I've been a fan of Sabayon for a month or two now, and this new release looks really nice.

Really nice.

But whats the deal with the default panels settings they have? It's a trivial thing to judge a distro on, but it always takes me a minute or two to adjust things to the way I like. I suppose it's the same with every other distro too.

Thanks for sharing all that, this is becoming a good place to find out more about different distros, first hand from users themselves.

The last release had a few wrinkles in it, but they all seemed to be fixed now.

[nalmeth]

Hmm, other than the slow boot, the only bug I noticed was an occasional slowdown, choke-up type effect.

On top of the other good things about it, this is one of the best Beryl Showcase CD's around, and overall a stellar job.

I'm downloading the torrent for the new release now, getting a decent rate! Way to go seeders!

[RAV TUX]

it is the most beautiful OS to date....

remember:


Once you've installed Sabayon, and you'd like to stabilize your package manager (emerge/portage), use the following commands.
emerge --sync
glsa-check -f all
dispatch-conf

After running emerge --sync, you may need to run emerge portage. Your system will let you know if this is necessary. If your system asks you to run etc-update, run dispatch-conf instead. This will bring you up to date and allow you to use your package manager normally. It is easier to do this step from the command prompt than by using karoo because at the command prompt you will get information on what is happening. The default answer to prompts from dispatch-conf is u. (update)
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tips

[RAV TUX]

Also don't foget to Enable XGL or AIGLX and Install desktop-acceleration-helpers after Install:
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Enable/disable_XGL_or_AIGLX_after_Install

EDIT: this step can be enabled on the new build upon installl

[RAV TUX]

emerge --help

localhost jozef # emerge --help


Usage:
emerge [ options ] [ action ] [ ebuildfile | tbz2file | dependency ] [ ... ]
emerge [ options ] [ action ] < system | world >
emerge < --sync | --metadata | --info >
emerge --resume [ --pretend | --ask | --skipfirst ]
emerge --help [ system | world | config | --sync ]
Options: -[abBcCdDefgGhikKlnNoOpqPsStuvV] [--oneshot] [--newuse] [--noconfmem]
[--columns] [--nocolor] [--nospinner]
Actions: [ --clean | --depclean | --prune | --regen | --search | --unmerge ]


Help (this screen):
--help (-h short option)
Displays this help; an additional argument (see above) will tell
emerge to display detailed help.

Actions:
--clean (-c short option)
Cleans the system by removing outdated packages which will not
remove functionalities or prevent your system from working.
The arguments can be in several different formats :
* world
* system or
* 'dependency specification' (in single quotes is best.)
Here are a few examples of the dependency specification format:
binutils matches
binutils-2.11.90.0.7 and binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1
sys-devel/binutils matches
binutils-2.11.90.0.7 and binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1
>sys-devel/binutils-2.11.90.0.7 matches
binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1
>=sys-devel/binutils-2.11.90.0.7 matches
binutils-2.11.90.0.7 and binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1
<=sys-devel/binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1 matches
binutils-2.11.90.0.7 and binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-r1

--config
Runs package-specific operations that must be executed after an
emerge process has completed. This usually entails configuration
file setup or other similar setups that the user may wish to run.

--depclean
Cleans the system by removing packages that are not associated
with explicitly merged packages. Depclean works by creating the
full dependency tree from the system list and the world file,
then comparing it to installed packages. Packages installed, but
not associated with an explicit merge are listed as candidates
for unmerging. WARNING: This can seriously affect your system by
removing packages that may have been linked against, but due to
changes in USE flags may no longer be part of the dep tree. Use
caution when employing this feature.

--info
Displays important portage variables that will be exported to
ebuild.sh when performing merges. This information is useful
for bug reports and verification of settings. All settings in
make.{conf,globals,defaults} and the environment show up if
run with the '--verbose' flag.

--metadata
Causes portage to process all the metacache files as is normally
done on the tail end of an rsync update using emerge --sync.
This processing creates the cache database that portage uses for
pre-parsed lookups of package data.

--prune (-P short option)
WARNING: This action can remove important packages!
Removes all but the most recently installed version of a package
from your system. This action doesn't verify the possible binary
compatibility between versions and can thus remove essential
dependencies from your system.
The argument format is the same as for the --clean action.

--regen
Causes portage to check and update the dependency cache of all
ebuilds in the portage tree. This is not recommended for rsync
users as rsync updates the cache using server-side caches.
Rsync users should simply 'emerge --sync' to regenerate.

--resume
Resumes the last merge operation. It can be treated just like a
regular emerge: --pretend and other options work alongside it.
'emerge --resume' only returns an error on failure. When there is
nothing to do, it exits with a message and a success condition.

--search (-s short option)
Searches for matches of the supplied string in the current local
portage tree. By default emerge uses a case-insensitive simple
search, but you can enable a regular expression search by
prefixing the search string with %%.
Prepending the expression with a '@' will cause the category to
be included in the search.
A few examples:
emerge --search libc
list all packages that contain libc in their name
emerge --search '%^kde'
list all packages starting with kde
emerge --search '%gcc$'
list all packages ending with gcc
emerge --search '%@^dev-java.*jdk'
list all available Java JDKs

--searchdesc (-S short option)
Matches the search string against the description field as well
the package's name. Take caution as the descriptions are also
matched as regular expressions.
emerge -S html
emerge -S applet
emerge -S 'perl.*module'

--unmerge (-C short option)
WARNING: This action can remove important packages!
Removes all matching packages completely from
your system. Specify arguments using the dependency specification
format described in the --clean action above.

--update (-u short option)
Updates packages to the best version available, which may not
always be the highest version number due to masking for testing
and development. This will also update direct dependencies which
may not what you want. In general use this option only in combi-
nation with the world or system target.

--version (-V short option)
Displays the currently installed version of portage along with
other information useful for quick reference on a system. See
emerge info for more advanced information.

Options:
--alphabetical
When displaying USE and other flag output, combines the enabled
and disabled flags into a single list and sorts it alphabetically.
With this option, output such as USE="dar -bar -foo" will instead
be displayed as USE="-bar dar -foo"

--ask (-a short option)
before performing the merge, display what ebuilds and tbz2s will
be installed, in the same format as when using --pretend; then
ask whether to continue with the merge or abort. Using --ask is
more efficient than using --pretend and then executing the same
command without --pretend, as dependencies will only need to be
calculated once. WARNING: If the "Enter" key is pressed at the
prompt (with no other input), it is interpreted as acceptance of
the first choice. Note that the input buffer is not cleared prior
to the prompt, so an accidental press of the "Enter" key at any
time prior to the prompt will be interpreted as a choice!

--buildpkg (-b short option)
Tell emerge to build binary packages for all ebuilds processed
(in addition to actually merging the packages. Useful for
maintainers or if you administrate multiple Gentoo Linux
systems (build once, emerge tbz2s everywhere) as well as disaster
recovery.

--buildpkgonly (-B short option)
Creates a binary package, but does not merge it to the
system. This has the restriction that unsatisfied dependencies
must not exist for the desired package as they cannot be used if
they do not exist on the system.

--changelog (-l short option)
When pretending, also display the ChangeLog entries for packages
that will be upgraded.

--columns
Display the pretend output in a tabular form. Versions are
aligned vertically.

--debug (-d short option)
Tell emerge to run the ebuild command in --debug mode. In this
mode, the bash build environment will run with the -x option,
causing it to output verbose debug information print to stdout.
--debug is great for finding bash syntax errors as providing
very verbose information about the dependency and build process.

--deep (-D short option)
When used in conjunction with --update, this flag forces emerge
to consider the entire dependency tree of packages, instead of
checking only the immediate dependencies of the packages. As an
example, this catches updates in libraries that are not directly
listed in the dependencies of a package.

--emptytree (-e short option)
Virtually tweaks the tree of installed packages to contain
nothing. This is great to use together with --pretend. This makes
it possible for developers to get a complete overview of the
complete dependency tree of a certain package.

--fetchonly (-f short option)
Instead of doing any package building, just perform fetches for
all packages (main package as well as all dependencies.) When
used in combination with --pretend all the SRC_URIs will be
displayed multiple mirrors per line, one line per file.

--fetch-all-uri (-F short option)
Same as --fetchonly except that all package files, including those
not required to build the package, will be processed.

--getbinpkg (-g short option)
Using the server and location defined in PORTAGE_BINHOST, portage
will download the information from each binary file there and it
will use that information to help build the dependency list. This
option implies '-k'. (Use -gK for binary-only merging.)

--getbinpkgonly (-G short option)
This option is identical to -g, as above, except it will not use
ANY information from the local machine. All binaries will be
downloaded from the remote server without consulting packages
existing in the packages directory.

--newuse (-N short option)
Tells emerge to include installed packages where USE flags have
changed since installation.

--nocolor
Suppresses color in the output.

--noconfmem
Portage keeps track of files that have been placed into
CONFIG_PROTECT directories, and normally it will not merge the
same file more than once, as that would become annoying. This
can lead to problems when the user wants the file in the case
of accidental deletion. With this option, files will always be
merged to the live fs instead of silently dropped.

--nodeps (-O short option)
Merge specified packages, but don't merge any dependencies.
Note that the build may fail if deps aren't satisfied.

--noreplace (-n short option)
Skip the packages specified on the command-line that have
already been installed. Without this option, any packages,
ebuilds, or deps you specify on the command-line *will* cause
Portage to remerge the package, even if it is already installed.
Note that Portage won't remerge dependencies by default.

--nospinner
Disables the spinner regardless of terminal type.

--oneshot (-1 short option)
Emerge as normal, but don't add packages to the world profile.
This package will only be updated if it is depended upon by
another package.

--onlydeps (-o short option)
Only merge (or pretend to merge) the dependencies of the
specified packages, not the packages themselves.

--pretend (-p short option)
Instead of actually performing the merge, simply display what
ebuilds and tbz2s *would* have been installed if --pretend
weren't used. Using --pretend is strongly recommended before
installing an unfamiliar package. In the printout, N = new,
U = updating, R = replacing, F = fetch restricted, B = blocked
by an already installed package, D = possible downgrading,
S = slotted install. --verbose causes affecting use flags to be
printed out accompanied by a '+' for enabled and a '-' for
disabled USE flags.

--quiet (-q short option)
Effects vary, but the general outcome is a reduced or condensed
output from portage's displays.

--skipfirst
This option is only valid in a resume situation. It removes the
first package in the resume list so that a merge may continue in
the presence of an uncorrectable or inconsequential error. This
should only be used in cases where skipping the package will not
result in failed dependencies.

--tree (-t short option)
Shows the dependency tree using indentation for dependencies.
The packages are also listed in reverse merge order so that
a package's dependencies follow the package. Only really useful
in combination with --emptytree, --update or --deep.

--usepkg (-k short option)
Tell emerge to use binary packages (from $PKGDIR) if they are
available, thus possibly avoiding some time-consuming compiles.
This option is useful for CD installs; you can export
PKGDIR=/mnt/cdrom/packages and then use this option to have
emerge "pull" binary packages from the CD in order to satisfy
dependencies.

--usepkgonly (-K short option)
Like --usepkg above, except this only allows the use of binary
packages, and it will abort the emerge if the package is not
available at the time of dependency calculation.

--verbose (-v short option)
Effects vary, but the general outcome is an increased or expanded
display of content in portage's displays.

[darkenedday]

ok, I have recently installed sabayon linux 3.2, I LOVE IT!!! But I am having one problem, on Ubuntu i configured internet connection sharing with firestarter, worked fine, however I need to enable both network cards, I can't find a GUI accept for knetworkmanager which is fine except that it only allows me to switch between NIC's it won't allow me to enable them both. . . HELP!

thanks in advance!

[kazuya]

RAV TUX,

you are the man. I just downloaded sabayon 3.2. I may be making that switch tommorrow or even tonight if time permits. That was my feeling when I first launched beryl on sabayon 3.1. It is great to know that I have someone here I could call on should I have gentoo related questions. lol.

I wouldn't be looking this way were it not for my exposure to Zenwalk. What is great about Sabayon is the ease of getting 64 bit smp support as well as regular x86 32 bit OS along with the speed.

I shall check the boot speed though as well as ease of use of emerge. I still like for kuroo to eventually be as easy and workable as synaptic if this is not already the case.

[RAV TUX]

RAV TUX,

you are the man. I just downloaded sabayon 3.2. I may be making that switch tommorrow or even tonight if time permits. That was my feeling when I first launched beryl on sabayon 3.1. It is great to know that I have someone here I could call on should I have gentoo related questions. lol.

I wouldn't be looking this way were it not for my exposure to Zenwalk. What is great about Sabayon is the ease of getting 64 bit smp support as well as regular x86 32 bit OS along with the speed.

I shall check the boot speed though as well as ease of use of emerge. I still like for kuroo to eventually be as easy and workable as synaptic if this is not already the case.

Embrace Emerge it's simply lovely!;)

[rsambuca]

I have been trying out the 64 bit version. I like the default looks. Pretty slick.

Still trying to figure out the whole sudo vs su stuff. Took me a while to figure out how to execute any root commands. I am quite new to the world of linux and ubuntu was my first foray.

I must say, I like it so far, except for a few bugs:

Probably about every other boot, it says audio device not detected, and then I have to run alsaconf to get it back. Pretty annoying.

Bootup is extremely slow. Rediculously slow, in fact. After it does boot up, everything I have tried so far runs OK though.

[RAV TUX]

I have been trying out the 64 bit version. I like the default looks. Pretty slick.

Still trying to figure out the whole sudo vs su stuff. Took me a while to figure out how to execute any root commands. I am quite new to the world of linux and ubuntu was my first foray.

I must say, I like it so far, except for a few bugs:

Probably about every other boot, it says audio device not detected, and then I have to run alsaconf to get it back. Pretty annoying.

Bootup is extremely slow. Rediculously slow, in fact. After it does boot up, everything I have tried so far runs OK though.

try the non-64bit version for a while;)

[RAV TUX]

another screenshot of Sabayon:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9288/snapshot15fz7.png (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9288/snapshot15fz7.png)

[RAV TUX]

ok another:

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/800/snapshot16kz5.png (http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/800/snapshot16kz5.png)

[RAV TUX]

one more:

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5050/snapshot17ds8.png (http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5050/snapshot17ds8.png)

[kazuya]

incredible. I'm on to it. Also, the slow bootup occurs on your first time logging in. Thereafter, next time you log in, it is faster.

[rsambuca]

I get a slow bootup everytime. I am downloading the 32-bit version and will try that instead.

[RAV TUX]

incredible. I'm on to it. Also, the slow bootup occurs on your first time logging in. Thereafter, next time you log in, it is faster.

Yes it even states that upon the first boot...after the first boot it is pretty fast overall...;)

[rsambuca]

RAV TUX, you may as well add the rotating cube pics to the top and bottom of the cube, and take more snapshots for us!

[RAV TUX]

RAV TUX, you may as well add the rotating cube pics to the top and bottom of the cube, and take more snapshots for us!

LOL....I think you get the idea...all that can be customized...including the background picture behind the cube...

for more information go here:
http://www.beryl-project.org/

[rsambuca]

LOL, actually I knew that. I had 3 different pictures of my kid: one on the backdrop, one for the cube sides, and one for the top and bottom.

I have just borked my ubuntu right now, so I am using XP until I fix ubuntu:(

[rsambuca]

I am downloading the 32-bit version and try that instead.

83.7%...

torrent download is going way slower for this than when I downloaded the 64-bit.

[RAV TUX]

83.7%...

torrent download is going way slower for this than when I downloaded the 64-bit.

took me 3 days

[rsambuca]

done. Hope it is less buggy for me than 64

[rsambuca]

now, to install sabayon or try and fix ubuntu first. hmmm...:-k

[yabbadabbadont]

I wonder how much of the official gentoo emerge program they are using? Rav, try running "emerge moo" and see what happens... ;)

[RAV TUX]

now, to install sabayon or try and fix ubuntu first. hmmm...:-k
install Sabayon....;)

[rsambuca]

install Sabayon....;)

OK boss. Burning now...

[RAV TUX]

I wonder how much of the official gentoo emerge program they are using? Rav, try running "emerge moo" and see what happens... ;)

LOL....your whacky;)

[yabbadabbadont]

LOL....your whacky;)

My location isn't "2 exits past crazy" for nothing... ;)

[RAV TUX]

My location isn't "2 exits past crazy" for nothing... ;)
ahhh I see that now!;)

[rsambuca]

OK, writing to you all from Sabayon 3.2 x86 liveDVD. So far, better than the 64 bit - I have sound without running alsaconf. Still problems with loading the nVidia driver so no Beryl - yet. ixnay posted a fix prior to installation for the driver. I'll have to go find that.

[RAV TUX]

OK, writing to you all from Sabayon 3.2 x86 liveDVD. So far, better than the 64 bit - I have sound without running alsaconf. Still problems with loading the nVidia driver so no Beryl - yet. ixnay posted a fix prior to installation for the driver. I'll have to go find that.

do you have a screenshot;)

[rsambuca]

do you have a screenshot;)

How's this?

[RAV TUX]

How's this?

awesome (beautiful family;)).....but when are you going to install it?

[rsambuca]

Have to install tomorrow. Too much stuff going on tonight.

[RAV TUX]

Have to install tomorrow. Too much stuff going on tonight.

hehe....Life is beautiful!

[jordanmthomas]

ftp://mudrii.ath.cx/sabayon/x86/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.iso
I'm using this one, and it's going well.

Of course, the main mirrors were fine until the very end of the download.
I'll post back to tell you if this one finishes correctly...only 18 minutes left!


**aaaaand, I just noticed this is 4 days old.

[rsambuca]

old schmold! I have just downloaded 3.2 again. Actually the last one was the 64bit (was too buggy for me). I'll see how the 32 bit does for my system.

[jordanmthomas]

In that case, you'll be glad to learn my download was successful and I am really liking Sabayon. Of course, you can use torrents so my link probably isn't even of use to you.

*grumble, grumble* stupid school blocking all my ports

[kazuya]

Is there a reliable link to download iso from? I have wasted two DVDs already on burning ISO of Sabayon 3.2x86. Please share link. Not the one on distrowatch, because that is what I used earlier on.

[rsambuca]

I went with the torrent download

[Perfect Storm]

OK, writing to you all from Sabayon 3.2 x86 liveDVD. So far, better than the 64 bit - I have sound without running alsaconf. Still problems with loading the nVidia driver so no Beryl - yet. ixnay posted a fix prior to installation for the driver. I'll have to go find that.

Tried this one?
In the menu press [F5]
then,

aiglx res=AxB opengl=nvidia

AxB is the disired resolution, eg; 1600x1200

[RAV TUX]

Is there a reliable link to download iso from? I have wasted two DVDs already on burning ISO of Sabayon 3.2x86. Please share link. Not the one on distrowatch, because that is what I used earlier on.

Stick with the LinuxTracker Torrent:
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3193

[RAV TUX]

I'm having some issues getting Sabayon 3.2, the links for http seem to be broken on there website, if there are any other free public mirrors could someone please tell me?


thanks!

Stick with the LinuxTracker Torrent:
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3193

I used Ktorrent on KNOPPIX 5.0.1(installed)

[RAV TUX]

A total of 11465 packages exist in portage.

http://packages.gentoo.org/categories/

[jordanmthomas]

I wish my school would cough up some cash so they could afford enough bandwidth to let us use torrents. Of course, they may be blocking them out of spite.

[RAV TUX]

3D Matrix, Emerge on Sabayon 3.2
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3842/snapshot28hd2.png (http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3842/snapshot28hd2.png)

[RAV TUX]

now I am just being goofy...

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7336/snapshot29ji7.png (http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7336/snapshot29ji7.png)

[drphilngood]

Super nice, Rav! Thanks for sharing.
I think I may dl it tomorrow and give it a go, too.:-k

[dbbolton]

which of these screenshots is 3.2 ? or are they the same ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d0/Sabayonlinux.jpg/800px-Sabayonlinux.jpg

http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=758&slide=16


i don't use kde and i don't use gentoo, so i have no idea whats going on. but, i love the top link, hate the bottom.

[RAV TUX]

Available now!
Sabayon Linux 3.2a x86 miniEdition (CD)
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3260

Sabayon Linux 3.2 x86-64 miniEdition (CD)
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3261

SABAYONLINUX 3.2 MINIEDITION SCREENSHOT WALKTHROUGH:
http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/?q=node/66

[rsambuca]

Downloading both as we speak

[dbbolton]

it seems like there hasn't been activity in weeks...

[23meg]

<badjoke>

Everyone must be busy compiling.

</badjoke>

[sloggerkhan]

I thought it was a funny bad joke....

[mips]

Trying the torrents but at current rate it will take a week. The .iso mirror servers time out and the the doesn't does not support resume...

Which would be the better one, x86 or x86-64 (I have a amd64 but wondering if there are any issues with the 64bit version)

[dbbolton]

that's actually probably true.

[fuscia]

<badjoke>

Everyone must be busy compiling.

</badjoke>

(dammit! beat again...)

[wieman01]

Is that a surprise in a Ubuntu forum?

[dbbolton]

why yes. it is.

[mips]

Well some of us are trying to get hold of sabayon 3.2 downloading is a biatch, like swimming in molasses.

[dbbolton]

no doubt

my torrent download said estimated time left: 100+ days

[mips]

no doubt

my torrent download said estimated time left: 100+ days

I gave up for now, will try again when the frenzy is over :)

[dbbolton]

i think i'm just going to buy the dvd. if i can bring myself to pay the RIDICULOUS ten bucks. ;)

[mips]

i think i'm just going to buy the dvd. if i can bring myself to pay the RIDICULOUS ten bucks. ;)

I wonder how long it will take to ship. i just want he cd, think the dvd has lots of bloat.

[dbbolton]

does the cd come with beryl too ?

[mips]

does the cd come with beryl too ?

yes, I'm pretty sure it does.

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2643

The World's first and fastest Gentoo Linux powered distribution now has made a new record, AIGLX and XGL support on a single, powerful and cutting edge LiveCD, thanks to Beryl, Emerald (and the Beryl Project team) and the full power of hardware accelerated GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap. We were the first to support XGL on a Live system, and now, we are yet again the first to support the future of the Desktop Linux platform. We are proud to provide you the best Linux experience.

SabayonLinux x86/x86-64 miniEdition, commonly called the "mini", is the CD release of the latest SabayonLinux x86/x86-64 DVD. The creation of this special version, has been made with an automatic script that shrinks down the whole chroot jail by removing every duplicated, useless or server-oriented package. The multimedia features of these special editions are kept intact. So, enjoy that beautiful piece of software on a single CD!

[23meg]

http://www.uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Gentoo

[RAV TUX]

Trying the torrents but at current rate it will take a week. The .iso mirror servers time out and the the doesn't does not support resume...

Which would be the better one, x86 or x86-64 (I have a amd64 but wondering if there are any issues with the 64bit version)
here is a screenshots of the torrents I started lastnight...the longest on the DVD downloads average 2-3 days

the Mini's average a day or less...

(I have used both the x86 and the x86-64...I have found no issues with either versions...try them both (try all four)

[mips]

here is a screenshots of the torrents I started lastnight...the longest on the DVD downloads average 2-3 days

the Mini's average a day or less...

(I have used both the x86 and the x86-64...I have found no issues with either versions...try them both (try all four)

Thx but I can only have one. bandwidth is expensive here.

I just started the x86-64 torrent and it is way faster than th x86 one. Getting 25KB/s at the moment.

[RAV TUX]

moving this thread to the Gentoo (and derivatives) forum

[RAV TUX]

moving to Gentoo (and derivatives) forum

[mips]

Thx but I can only have one. bandwidth is expensive here.


lol, how's this for bad luck;

My download went fine through the night and this morning when I woke up it was at 97%. That is where it stopped.

Why, my bandwidth ran out and I had to top up. 3GB hard cap here.

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Well about 15min or so to go then it is done.

[mips]

does the cd come with beryl too ?

Yes. I'm booted with the livecd now. During bootup it asks you if you want either aiglx or aglx. Everyhting is there. One sweet looking CD this !!!

[mips]

Things are not going well here.

I have two drives sda & sdb. I usually install all my os' on sda in a logical partition. Sabayon wanted none of this irrespective of file system used.

So I installed it on my sdb drive where I have a backup /home partition. No problem as long as you dont select reiserfs.

Reboot, sabayon works !

Second reboot no go, corrupted file system ! Ok no problem lets boot into Kubuntu Dapper, no go, corrupted filesystem !

WTF happend ?

I'll boot of knoppix and do some checks/repairs...

[RAV TUX]

Ok so we all know the page hit ranking for D.W. is for only entertainment purposes only....I just found it particularly entertaining to see Sabayon Linux beat back both PCLinuxOS, and Mepis to top them in the ranking....well deserved for an awesome OS.;)

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4324/snapshot7gj8.png (http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4324/snapshot7gj8.png)

[Rodneyck]

Actually I am downloading Sabayon via bittorent now. It sounds like a good distro and I am itching to play with something new. :p

[meng]

7 day timespan + recent new release. Hardly a surprise.

[xabbott]

Yea, pretty standard for DW. :P

It might get some buzz for having Beryl in by default too.

[xabbott]

Also, this is offtopic but...

I didn't really find anything note-worthy or impressive in Sabayon. Is the Beryl thing all that is getting it attention? Or is it because it is an easy way to get a Gentoo system?

[d3v1ant_0n3]

As a live cd to play in (rather than actually install and use) I much prefer Sabayon over Mepis or PCLOS. (incidentally, the only other distros I've actually installed and used:p). It looks more....finished than Mepis' live cd, and more bling than PCLOS's (admittedly good looking) live cd. Everything worked well for me too.

On the flipside, when I tried installing Sabayon, something went very badly wrong on the partitioning stage (I blame me rather than the software), and as a result, I now have a shiny fresh new install of Ubuntu:neutral:

[Rodneyck]

I downloaded the 3.2 dvd and gave it a go. I booted from the liveCD and was very impressed overall. I am not a big KDE fan, at all, but what they have done with the "start" menu was very impressive. It was sort of like Windows XP, ten times better and well organized.

I noticed it detected my zen micro music player in Amarok, something (K)ubuntu has not been able to do without a lot of tweaking. It come loaded with about every app imaginable, including game demos. Very impressive for people switching from Windows XP. It lets them see what is available.

However, I like things neat and uncluttered, a personal thing. I usually strip down the apps to only the ones I need. I could tell if I loaded this system, I would have my work cut out for me. I mean, choices are nice, but let me make them. Do we really need Koffice and Openoffice loaded at the same time?

The default theme almost made me queezy, a minor quibble. I know, I can customize it in a sec, but red. What were they thinking? It also had a very Windows XP-like start button that gave me the shivers.

The one thing the livecd did not detect, which sent up a warning, was my nforce4 Ethernet connection. I had no Internet access and was not sure where in KDE to start looking, so this would be my first priority...hello help forum.

Overall, I would definitely recommend this to someone. It came loaded with beryl and asked me which hardware acceleration I wanted to use, XGl or AIGLX...very nice. I hope ubuntu adopts this. The menu system was very fast, more so than Ubuntu, unfortunately, and this was from the livecd. My dislikes, again, KDE (yuck), still to child-like in appearance for me. I prefer a more professional looking desktop, just a personal preference, but one that ultimately is the deciding factor to stay with Ubuntu (gnome), for now.

[ethos101]

I am having the same problem with the same distro. I have Sabayon on my server computer and want to share my internet on my lan. I have 2 NICs in it: one to the cablemodem and one to my LAN switch/router. I need to use them both at the same time.

[mips]

Also, this is offtopic but...

I didn't really find anything note-worthy or impressive in Sabayon. Is the Beryl thing all that is getting it attention? Or is it because it is an easy way to get a Gentoo system?

Dunno. But I must say once installed everything just works ! You don't really have to fret about codecs etc

[mips]

However, I like things neat and uncluttered, a personal thing. I usually strip down the apps to only the ones I need. I could tell if I loaded this system, I would have my work cut out for me. I mean, choices are nice, but let me make them. Do we really need Koffice and Openoffice loaded at the same time?

The default theme almost made me queezy, a minor quibble. I know, I can customize it in a sec, but red. What were they thinking? It also had a very Windows XP-like start button that gave me the shivers.


Are you referring to the DVD or CD ? I'm sure the CD has less menu clutter than the dvd. I'm just taking a stab at it as I have not used the DVD but only the CD. There is still a bit of clutter but that could probably fixed in a jiffy.

I actually love the Sabayon theme. I prefer the red/yellow over the dapper blue of kubuntu. Suppose that is personal choice.

[mips]

Configure both interfaces and enable IP Forwarding.

This guide might help you, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111972

Also look at the Gentoo documentation which is great.

[Rodneyck]

I agree, it did all work, well except for my ethernet driver. Here is what I posted last night on the other Sabayon thread...

"I downloaded the 3.2 dvd and gave it a go. I booted from the liveCD and was very impressed overall. I am not a big KDE fan, at all, but what they have done with the "start" menu was very impressive. It was sort of like Windows XP, ten times better and well organized.

I noticed it detected my zen micro music player in Amarok, something (K)ubuntu has not been able to do without a lot of tweaking. It come loaded with about every app imaginable, including game demos. Very impressive for people switching from Windows XP. It lets them see what is available.

However, I like things neat and uncluttered, a personal thing. I usually strip down the apps to only the ones I need. I could tell if I loaded this system, I would have my work cut out for me. I mean, choices are nice, but let me make them. Do we really need Koffice and Openoffice loaded at the same time?

The default theme almost made me queezy, a minor quibble. I know, I can customize it in a sec, but red. What were they thinking? It also had a very Windows XP-like start button that gave me the shivers.

The one thing the livecd did not detect, which sent up a warning, was my nforce4 Ethernet connection. I had no Internet access and was not sure where in KDE to start looking, so this would be my first priority...hello help forum.

Overall, I would definitely recommend this to someone. It came loaded with beryl and asked me which hardware acceleration I wanted to use, XGl or AIGLX...very nice. I hope ubuntu adopts this. The menu system was very fast, more so than Ubuntu, unfortunately, and this was from the livecd. My dislikes, again, KDE (yuck), still to child-like in appearance for me. I prefer a more professional looking desktop, just a personal preference, but one that ultimately is the deciding factor to stay with Ubuntu (gnome), for now."

What I did forget to mention was that Ubuntu has a wonderful support system (forum) which makes up for some of ubuntu's deficiencies.

[mips]

lol, i replied to your other post a few minutes ago.

[Rodneyck]

I used the DVD and it comes loaded with about every app, or at least it seems like it, lol, available. I would definitely go for the CD if I were to install though.

I agree with the horrible "aqua" KDE default look. I like KDE for other reasons, some really good apps, but they need to rework the look. Do they really need that childish bar going up the menu? What purpose does that serve? Like I said, you can change most of the theme in a sec, except for KDE's side bar, so not a major thing.

I am sure you could probably uninstall KDE and install gnome on that system, much like you can with ubuntu, but I think Sabayon has heavily integrated itself into KDE. I could be wrong.

[mips]

Do they really need that childish bar going up the menu? What purpose does that serve? Like I said, you can change most of the theme in a sec, except for KDE's side bar, so not a major thing.


I'm pretty sure that is easily removable. I removed mine if I recall correctly. Just can't check now as my HDs are hosed.

[Rodneyck]

I'm pretty sure that is easily removable. I removed mine if I recall correctly. Just can't check now as my HDs are hosed.

Good to know.. I looked for a way but never found it.

Sorry to hear about the HD's...ouch.

[dbbolton]

hijack not intended, but i too have a "n00b" question:

without booting, i just loaded the 3.2 mini-cd to look at the files.

livecd.squashfs is marked as unreadable (eg, little red box with a white X - emblem). does this mean that there was an error during writing, or simply that "ubuntu" doesn't know what to do with the file? i'd really like to know before trying to boot it.

[Frak]

hijack not intended, but i too have a "n00b" question:

without booting, i just loaded the 3.2 mini-cd to look at the files.

livecd.squashfs is marked as unreadable (eg, little red box with a white X - emblem). does this mean that there was an error during writing, or simply that "ubuntu" doesn't know what to do with the file? i'd really like to know before trying to boot it.
Use VMWare server and create a VM and run it.

[RAV TUX]

I agree, it did all work, well except for my ethernet driver. Here is what I posted last night on the other Sabayon thread...

"I downloaded the 3.2 dvd and gave it a go. I booted from the liveCD and was very impressed overall. I am not a big KDE fan, at all, but what they have done with the "start" menu was very impressive. It was sort of like Windows XP, ten times better and well organized.

I noticed it detected my zen micro music player in Amarok, something (K)ubuntu has not been able to do without a lot of tweaking. It come loaded with about every app imaginable, including game demos. Very impressive for people switching from Windows XP. It lets them see what is available.

However, I like things neat and uncluttered, a personal thing. I usually strip down the apps to only the ones I need. I could tell if I loaded this system, I would have my work cut out for me. I mean, choices are nice, but let me make them. Do we really need Koffice and Openoffice loaded at the same time?

The default theme almost made me queezy, a minor quibble. I know, I can customize it in a sec, but red. What were they thinking? It also had a very Windows XP-like start button that gave me the shivers.

The one thing the livecd did not detect, which sent up a warning, was my nforce4 Ethernet connection. I had no Internet access and was not sure where in KDE to start looking, so this would be my first priority...hello help forum.

Overall, I would definitely recommend this to someone. It came loaded with beryl and asked me which hardware acceleration I wanted to use, XGl or AIGLX...very nice. I hope ubuntu adopts this. The menu system was very fast, more so than Ubuntu, unfortunately, and this was from the livecd. My dislikes, again, KDE (yuck), still to child-like in appearance for me. I prefer a more professional looking desktop, just a personal preference, but one that ultimately is the deciding factor to stay with Ubuntu (gnome), for now."

What I did forget to mention was that Ubuntu has a wonderful support system (forum) which makes up for some of ubuntu's deficiencies.

if you don't like KDE why didn't you just use Gnome or XFCE...it comes standrad with these choices...

as far as chioces it would take you 10 to 15 minutes tops to unclutter by using emerge to unmerge..

I didn't get your comparision to XP but this may be more from your own perspective....having used OS X at work....I found it a thousand times better then OS X....even more so to Baby Huey,...XP.

as far as help, by defualt Sabayon comes with a live help button....click to instantly connected to IRC channel #sabayon...I have always found someone helpful online....

[dakini]

Downloading appears much faster now. I'm downloading at close to 600 KB/s, and should have the entire iso in about 20 minutes or less, if things go well.

[Rodneyck]

I was playing around some more with the LiveDVD and I must say, I am starting to fall in love with this distro. I have a VEO Stingray webcam that I have been trying forever to get to work under Ubuntu. Research led me to some guy who had minimal success at getting my webcam to work with some IBM driver. I have yet to find anyone who got it to work under Ubuntu, let alone most other distros. I plugged it in running Sabayon and fired up Ekiga and it detected it immediately. It worked!!! I could not believe it.

Did I mention this system is fast, I mean really fast, under beryl no doubt? Menus fly open. I was using the AIGLX hardware acceleration setting, which must be the ticket. Is this a feature that can be installed under Ubuntu or just built into their distro?

All in all, a great way to try out just about every app that is out there. I went through several web browsers to compare. I have used Konqueror before, but don't care for it because of the way it handles bookmarks. I had read good things about Seamonkey on this forum, but it just reminded me of an old Netscape, and looked exactly like it appearance wise. It was fast, probably on par with firefox or swiftfox. The one that really impressed me was Opera, wow, loved the interface design and it was super fast. It has come a long way since I tried it under Windows many years ago, then it was sort of slow. I think I found my new favorite browser.

I really like the K Menu system they have installed. I actually uninstalled it and went back to using the default KDE menus just to see the difference. The default menu system was not as intuitive. The K Menu system groups everything which is nice, especially if you are dealing with all that software at once. I could find things in a snap.

I am really torn. I don't want to leave Ubuntu and its community, but Sabayon is two or three steps ahead of Ubuntu development-wise, speedier, excellent configuration detection, and ease of use.

[sloggerkhan]

I downloaded the 3.2 disk in less than an hour, but it doesn't like my comp. It freezes in boot. Oh well.

[dbbolton]

i installed 3.2 from the mini cd on a little 10gb partition on my hard drive. i went with the default settings for the grub, and now ubuntu isn't on there. it just says "sabayon" and "other." when i chose "other," it boots xp. is there a command line i can use in the grub to boot ubuntu?

or better yet, is there a way to put it back on the menu ?

[mips]

You need to edit your grub menu.list file which resides in /boot somewhere.

Do a search for Grub on these forums and you will find many posts on how to do it.

You should not have overwritten your original grub, instead editing the existing one to boot sabayon.

[mips]

hijack not intended, but i too have a "n00b" question:

without booting, i just loaded the 3.2 mini-cd to look at the files.

livecd.squashfs is marked as unreadable (eg, little red box with a white X - emblem). does this mean that there was an error during writing, or simply that "ubuntu" doesn't know what to do with the file? i'd really like to know before trying to boot it.

Did you compare the md5 checksums ? If they match you are fine.

[rsambuca]

Yeah, it did the same thing to me. The Sabayon grub doesn't seem to recognize any other linux distros. Just edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file (while in Sabayon).

enter "su" in a terminal, then you will enter your password.

add:


title ubuntu (or whatever you want the screen to say)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet splash
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic

In the section root=/dev/sda5, you will have to replace the "sda5" with the partition on your system where ubuntu resides.

[fuscia]

i installed kde with just the bare essentials (kdebase, kmail, amarok and not a whole lot more). it's working pretty well, but i'm wondering if i would get better performance out of sabayon, or would i just not notice a difference?

[mips]

Really hard to say. I just finished a 64bit sabyon install after my hd decided to get corrupted. Sabyon is definately faster than Kubuntu, The bootup is slower though. I have to start learning emerge though, but i supose it is not more complicated than aptitude.

Have not compared to Ubuntu+kde-base yet. I could probably do that tomorrow if you want as i have to install kubuntu again. I have to do a server install so i might as well start with kde-base and see what it's like.

I have sidux+kdebase on my slow lappy which feels blazingly fast though.

[mips]

Do they really need that childish bar going up the menu? What purpose does that serve? Like I said, you can change most of the theme in a sec, except for KDE's side bar, so not a major thing.


Go to Control Center->Desktop->Panels->Menus->K Menu and deselect 'Show side image'

[fuscia]

yeah, the bootup for sabayon takes forever. having to learn emerge was what got me to reinstall ubuntu (impatient, lazy and retarded is not a good combo).

does a server installation make things any faster, or does it just make more room? i've got plenty of room, so making space would be kind of pointless.

[mips]

Well a server install does not add all the crap that gets installed by default. Have you had a look at the "Ode to Kde-core" thread yet ?

[fuscia]

Well a server install does not add all the crap that gets installed by default. Have you had a look at the "Ode to Kde-core" thread yet ?

yeah, i've seen that thread, but thought of it only in adding kde to a regular installation of ubuntu.

[Rodneyck]

I did not run the 64bit Sabayon, but I was really impressed with the distro. Here is a thread were I gave my impression..

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=308996&page=7

I love it. KDE under Sabayon is much faster than KDE and Gnome under Ubuntu. The hardware detection is also more advanced. I am currently deciding if I want to replace it as my main OS and use Ubuntu on my second computer.

[fuscia]

well, i'm downloading the 3.2 mini version. i have two and a half weeks for christmas break. it will have been wasted if i don't make a giant mess out of my laptop. dang! i might even learn how to dual boot.

[mips]

I did not run the 64bit Sabayon, but I was really impressed with the distro. Here is a thread were I gave my impression..

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=308996&page=7

I love it. KDE under Sabayon is much faster than KDE and Gnome under Ubuntu. The hardware detection is also more advanced. I am currently deciding if I want to replace it as my main OS and use Ubuntu on my second computer.

I'm running the 64bit version, gentoo is true multi-arch so 64bit should be pretty trouble free. Sabayon is way faster than ubuntu/kubuntu. Emerge is not that hard to learn and once you have the knack it is actually less typing than with aptitude. I really think that sabayon is gonna stay on my pc and dispose ubuntu.

I reckon this distro is going to do really well in the future.

Only thing is they have to improve the boot times a tad.

[RAV TUX]

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/3460/snapshot8py2.png (http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/3460/snapshot8py2.png)

Well, deserved Sabayon is now ranked #4, even above Debian.

[mips]

EDIT: Never mind it's there now (Did you forget to post something.)

I'm still very happy with sabayon x86-64. getting to grips with emerge and it is really simple.

I actually think this distro is going to become VERY popular !

[RAV TUX]

I was playing around some more with the LiveDVD and I must say, I am starting to fall in love with this distro. I have a VEO Stingray webcam that I have been trying forever to get to work under Ubuntu. Research led me to some guy who had minimal success at getting my webcam to work with some IBM driver. I have yet to find anyone who got it to work under Ubuntu, let alone most other distros. I plugged it in running Sabayon and fired up Ekiga and it detected it immediately. It worked!!! I could not believe it.

Did I mention this system is fast, I mean really fast, under beryl no doubt? Menus fly open. I was using the AIGLX hardware acceleration setting, which must be the ticket. Is this a feature that can be installed under Ubuntu or just built into their distro?

All in all, a great way to try out just about every app that is out there. I went through several web browsers to compare. I have used Konqueror before, but don't care for it because of the way it handles bookmarks. I had read good things about Seamonkey on this forum, but it just reminded me of an old Netscape, and looked exactly like it appearance wise. It was fast, probably on par with firefox or swiftfox. The one that really impressed me was Opera, wow, loved the interface design and it was super fast. It has come a long way since I tried it under Windows many years ago, then it was sort of slow. I think I found my new favorite browser.

I really like the K Menu system they have installed. I actually uninstalled it and went back to using the default KDE menus just to see the difference. The default menu system was not as intuitive. The K Menu system groups everything which is nice, especially if you are dealing with all that software at once. I could find things in a snap.

I am really torn. I don't want to leave Ubuntu and its community, but Sabayon is two or three steps ahead of Ubuntu development-wise, speedier, excellent configuration detection, and ease of use.

honestly you don't need to be torn...I say use Sabayon....you can still enjoy the community here....and have the best of both worlds.

[RAV TUX]

EDIT: Never mind it's there now (Did you forget to post something.)

I'm still very happy with sabayon x86-64. getting to grips with emerge and it is really simple.

I actually think this distro is going to become VERY popular !

This distro was written up in a Linux Magazine I read at the bookstore as being the most advanced Linux distro....I honestly believe it is the best OS on Earth.

I love Emerge....and the built in repair on the live CD saved and fixed my Sabayon after I broke it...This will eventually become the top Linux OS...I predict.

[RAV TUX]

I'm running the 64bit version, gentoo is true multi-arch so 64bit should be pretty trouble free. Sabayon is way faster than ubuntu/kubuntu. Emerge is not that hard to learn and once you have the knack it is actually less typing than with aptitude. I really think that sabayon is gonna stay on my pc and dispose ubuntu.

I reckon this distro is going to do really well in the future.

Only thing is they have to improve the boot times a tad.

boot times are improved after you sync and update via emerge...

but honestly I never turn my computer off so boot time means nothing to me...

I have to say that I use and Love Sabayon....

Simply the best OS I have ever used....

I have to say the best idea Ubuntu could make is to switch to a Gentoo base,....

[dbbolton]

many thanks. it took me few tries to get it right, but it's good to go now.

it seems i had to put copies of the vmlinuz and initrd.img files onto /boot (located on hda4) from /boot on the the ubuntu partition (which sabayon calls media:/hda2)

[BigDave708]

Take the hits over the past month or even the past six months.

Over the past month, Sabayon ranks in at #10, beaten by Debian, PCLOS and Mepis. Give it another fortnight, and the rush around Sabayon will die down.

[Rodneyck]

If you are getting this info from distrowatch, then it is not a good indicator for any OS. It's basically a joke.

This was noted when ubuntu slipped behind Suse by several other forum members.

[RAV TUX]

Again gentleman read the opening post:)

I'll highlight in red the pre-qualification to this post:


Ok so we all know the page hit ranking for D.W. is for only entertainment purposes only....I just found it particularly entertaining to see Sabayon Linux beat back both PCLinuxOS, and Mepis to top them in the ranking....well deserved for an awesome OS.;)

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4324/snapshot7gj8.png (http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4324/snapshot7gj8.png)

I'll say it again the ranking is purely for entertainment purposes only...so is this thread.:p


If you are getting this info from distrowatch, then it is not a good indicator for any OS. It's basically a joke.

This was noted when ubuntu slipped behind Suse by several other forum members.

not so much a joke, jokes are funny but it is meaningless none-the-less...;)

[yabbadabbadont]

Albatross!

(hey, you said this thread was for entertainment... for some reason that Monty Python sketch always sticks in my mind) :D

And now for something, completely different. (and on-topic ((ish)))

Rav, are you still using Ubuntu at all?

[RAV TUX]

Albatross!

(hey, you said this thread was for entertainment... for some reason that Monty Python sketch always sticks in my mind) :D

And now for something, completely different. (and on-topic ((ish)))

Rav, are you still using Ubuntu at all?

yes on my secondary computer....

the same computer I have always run Ubuntu on....an old Compaq that originally had Windows 98se on it when a friend gave it to me....I have been considering running Xubuntu or fluxbuntu on it.....need to increase the speed somehow....but Ubuntu runs on it without fail...


but even more important....

I would like to hear more about the Monty Python sketch

[yabbadabbadont]

yes on my secondary computer....

I went into severe Gentoo withdrawal the night before last. I wiped Ubuntu and restored my Gentoo backups. (then I had two months of updates to work through) I've got 64G of free space on my second drive, so I think I'll put Edgy on it and then switch it to the Feisty repos. It will be interesting to watch it evolve.

EDIT: All I remember of the sketch is John Cleese, dressed as an old time cigarette girl, is carrying a sales tray through a movie theater, on which is a dead albatross. He keeps trying to "hawk" his wares by yelling, "Albatross!" Very weird, but I like that sort of humor.

[RAV TUX]

I went into severe Gentoo withdrawal the night before last. I wiped Ubuntu and restored my Gentoo backups. (then I had two months of updates to work through) I've got 64G of free space on my second drive, so I think I'll put Edgy on it and then switch it to the Feisty repos. It will be interesting to watch it evolve.

I still think a Gentoo based Ubuntu would be great.;)

[mips]

EDIT: All I remember of the sketch is John Cleese, dressed as an old time cigarette girl, is carrying a sales tray through a movie theater, on which is a dead albatross. He keeps trying to "hawk" his wares by yelling, "Albatross!" Very weird, but I like that sort of humor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_u7VGiMO0U
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_(Monty_Python_sketch)

[yabbadabbadont]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_u7VGiMO0U
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_(Monty_Python_sketch)

Thanks. The wikipedia link doesn't work as is, but was close enough for me to find it.

[RAV TUX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_u7VGiMO0U
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_(Monty_Python_sketch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_%28Monty_Python_sketch))
cool thanks for the link mips. lol....very funny:p

[RAV TUX]

moving to the Gentoo (and derivatives forum)

[RAV TUX]

moving to the Gentoo (and derivatives) forum

[confused57]

many thanks. it took me few tries to get it right, but it's good to go now.

it seems i had to put copies of the vmlinuz and initrd.img files onto /boot (located on hda4) from /boot on the the ubuntu partition (which sabayon calls media:/hda2)
I recently installed Sabayon and grub overwrote my Ubuntu grub on the mbr...what I did was reinstall the Ubuntu grub, using the live cd...then installed Sabayon's grub to the root partition(I opted not to have a separate /boot), then add an entry to Ubuntu's grub to boot Sabayon, using chainloading, e.g.
title Sabayon
rootnoverify (hd1,3)
chainloader +1

It was much easier for me to do it this way, using the live cd to restore grub:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351

[dbbolton]

i actually don't know how much longer i'm going to keep sabayon. buch of graphics glitches, can't get the wireless card working, etc, etc.

it might be fun to play around from the live cd once in awhile though.

[RAV TUX]

i actually don't know how much longer i'm going to keep sabayon. buch of graphics glitches, can't get the wireless card working, etc, etc.

it might be fun to play around from the live cd once in awhile though.

perhaps you don't have the proper hardware to support such a sophisticated OS?

I have had zero problems....

I have used Sabayon as my primary OS for months and I have never found a single OS so dependable, reliable and trouble free.

[scxtt]

sabayon is fantastic ... switched to it from kubuntu 6.06 and gonna stick w/ it for a while now ... didn't have to do anything to get Beryl working - and even tho it's pointless, it's fun :p

[RAV TUX]

.......by default Sabayon comes with a "Get Live Help" button....there is usually always someone on the #sabayon IRC to help you...;)

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[RAV TUX]

just wanted to document this somewhere:

If you have Sabayon Linux Installed:

open your Konsole

type:


suprovide your password for root

then type:


layman -d sabayonafter that completes do:


layman -a sabayonthen:


emerge berylWaaLaa!

(there are multiple ways to do it....this worked the easiest for me)

[RAV TUX]

This question was posed to me in a thread about KDE that I started...
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=319906

since it branched into a new subject I decided to start a new thread for it...


i went the other way as far as preference is concerned, but most people go through phases.

never tried sabayon. whats so special about it, and what differentiates it from the rest?

There was a great write up in Linux Magazine that articulated it eloquently....

I will attempt to do justice on the fly...

I have to say first that over two years I have tested and used over 200 OS's

I started Linux with Ubuntu and fully Support Ubuntu...

Sabayon is based on Gentoo, which utilizes ebuilds, portage, emerge...and being based on Gentoo adds stability, support, speed to one of the most documented distros (Gentoo)...

What I like about Sabayon is the reliabilty, speed and ease at which to learn....also great support community much like here...

you have to know I prefer big DVD installs...my most prized DVD is a 8.0 GB "Maxi" distro of KNOPPIX (which I had installed for about 6 months, one of the most reliable distros to install)....most recently I had rpath installed on my primary computer...very nice btw

Sabayon DVD installed is packed with what others would consider bloat....yet bloat usually only means you don't have the hardware resources or space to handle a big install...there is Puppy and DSL for those who fall in this category...or the "mini" versions of Sabayon.

I like that Desktop Accelerations come installed by default (Beryl) and the control panel for these is very easy to use....

The single best thing about Sabayon, as on any Gentoo based distro is Emerge...

Emerge is a pure pleasure......

well this is a start as to what I find special about Sabayon about 0.0298% of it...but I find it hard to put to words...

I realize that there is not one distro that is right for everybody....that is the beauty of Linux.

Ubuntu which I have installed on my secondary computer and is the Linux OS I started with has done wonders for the Linux community.

Sabayon is the cutting edge future of OS's....if you want to experience a Linux OS better then OS X or any other OS then try it....if you like it...Mazel Tov!,....if not stick with what works for you...

it's that simple

[DerHesse]

I tried it as mini-live-CD. I liked but only used it 10 minutes or so. Too bad it was a KDE Version, not like The DVD-Version that contains Gnome as well. The 3-D effects were great!!!
It was a pitty that I could run the live CD only once. The second time i tried it would not come up properly.
From what I can read, I will be giving it another try. I will finally overwrite my Windows partion. Haven't used for months :-D

[RAV TUX]

I tried it as mini-live-CD. I liked but only used it 10 minutes or so. Too bad it was a KDE Version, not like The DVD-Version that contains Gnome as well. The 3-D effects were great!!!
It was a pitty that I could run the live CD only once. The second time i tried it would not come up properly.
From what I can read, I will be giving it another try. I will finally overwrite my Windows partion. Haven't used for months :-D

What version?

and if you like Gnome...I suggest using Gnome in Sabayon....if you can do the DVD install (I did not realize this was limited to the DVD install?)

[DerHesse]

I used this one: SabayonLinux x86 3.2 miniEdition http://www.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=261&Itemid=2

[dbbolton]

it's curious... in this current session, i haven't seen any of those weird graphics problems.

say, how does one switch between kde and gnome ? i checked the sab wiki, to no avail.

[RAV TUX]

it's curious... in this current session, i haven't seen any of those weird graphics problems.

say, how does one switch between kde and gnome ? i checked the sab wiki, to no avail.

If you have done an install from DVD you can select your desktop at the login screen upon booting...I am not sure this option is available for the mini versions?

[ahaslam]

[B]Sabayon Linux 3.2a x86 miniEdition (CD)
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3260

That gave me my first corrupt download. I got a kernel panic on boot, spent some time messing with boot options & then checked the iso:


ahaslam@ahaslam-laptop:~$ md5sum /home/ahaslam/Desktop/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2a.miniEdition.iso
73828dffc4b514dc84a0877ca01dd885 /home/ahaslam/Desktop/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2a.miniEdition.iso

Not quite the 3ab21d6fd3b411de6b532dd62dd558e6 (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/sabayon/md5/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.miniEdition.iso.md5) that it should be :evil:

Surely this means that people are now sharing corrupt copies?

Tony.

[fuscia]

so, why is sabayon faster? aren't there things one could do with ubuntu to make it as fast? (talk slow.)

[RAV TUX]

That gave me my first corrupt download. I got a kernel panic on boot, spent some time messing with boot options & then checked the iso:


ahaslam@ahaslam-laptop:~$ md5sum /home/ahaslam/Desktop/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2a.miniEdition.iso
73828dffc4b514dc84a0877ca01dd885 /home/ahaslam/Desktop/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2a.miniEdition.isoNot quite the 3ab21d6fd3b411de6b532dd62dd558e6 (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/sabayon/md5/SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.miniEdition.iso.md5) that it should be :evil:

Surely this means that people are now sharing corrupt copies?

Tony.

Tony....I have NEVER recieved corrupt copies before but you should always double check...thats what I like about K3B it checks before you burn

Always, Always check your md5sum! http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/812/1ptgnore3.gif (http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/812/1ptgnore3.gif) (http://%5b/COLOR)

[RAV TUX]

moving to Gentoo (and derivatives) forum.

[RAV TUX]

so, why is sabayon faster? aren't there things one could do with ubuntu to make it as fast? (talk slow.)

I honestly don't think so....remember Ubuntu is based on Debian....and Sabayon Linux is based on Gentoo....it's my experience that Gentoo in it's very nature tends to be faster....

someone once give me an excellent reason why this is but I have forgotten...

[RAV TUX]

& btw moving this thread to the Gentoo (and derivatives) forum.

[Rodneyck]

honestly you don't need to be torn...I say use Sabayon....you can still enjoy the community here....and have the best of both worlds.

Well, now I don't have to be torn. I uninstalled Sabayon today and switched back to Ubuntu. For the life of me, I still think Sabayon is one of the best OS's out there, probably better than Ubuntu in many ways, except the most important one, the community. Their support system is very young, from the wiki's to the forum itself.

If you want to know general info on say their equivalent to Ubuntu's synaptic, there are some nice guides (wiki's) and forum posts available. If you want help on something that may not be so common or less popular software issues, say for example changing the monitor's gamma (in gnome.) Ubuntu's "xgamma -gamma 1.4" does not work there and still today, no answer to my plee. Most of the support is for KDE, gnome is the underling on Sabayon which makes it even harder getting going initially. Not everything that applies to KDE, works under Gnome.

I was trying to install one of my favorite apps, Gnubiff, which must reside alongside the tools that you can add to the toolbar, such as Weather Report and Battery Monitor in the "add to panel" section. I decided to give the IRC a shot hoping someone there would know how to make it appear there. The answer to my question came in the form of... "I thought gnomes where something you put in the front yard." That was it for me.

We tend to think the major hardware compatibility issues are the important issues to address, but there are many non-compatible littler issues that creep up that demand just as much attention. This is where Ubuntu shines. I don't think there has been one search in ubuntu's forum that has not provided me with an answer to my question, or a reference elsewhere for investigation.

Give their forums another two years and the seasoning should make the experience enjoyable and balance the scales of a great OS with equally great support. Gnome users, I would advise giving it a pass, unless you want to go it alone. Also, there were a few strange occurrences involving apps using gnome on Sabayon. For instance, every word processing app I pulled up refused to spell check my document, even though the option was activated, very odd. This happened in Kword, Open Office and Abiword. Also, their gui package installer called Karoo or something like that (KDE app, go figure) would only work the first time, then crash if you pulled it up again, until you rebooted. Then it was rinse and repeat, so you had one shot each session, frustrating. I ended up using the Terminal equivalent called emerge, which took forever to find apps. You also could not determine if it was actually working while doing its search, or not, as there was only a flashing cursor as an indicator. I love synaptic after that experience.

In the end, I went screaming back to Gnome supported Ubuntu. Here at least, the KDE people have their own Kubuntu forum for help if they can't find it here, no such luck on Sabayon for Gnomers. Keeping it real...and glad to be home.

[RAV TUX]

Well, now I don't have to be torn. I uninstalled Sabayon today and switched back to Ubuntu. For the life of me, I still think Sabayon is one of the best OS's out there, probably better than Ubuntu in many ways, except the most important one, the community. Their support system is very young, from the wiki's to the forum itself.

If you want to know general info on say their equivalent to Ubuntu's synaptic, there are some nice guides (wiki's) and forum posts available. If you want help on something that may not be so common or less popular software issues, say for example changing the monitor's gamma (in gnome.) Ubuntu's "xgamma -gamma 1.4" does not work there and still today, no answer to my plee. Most of the support is for KDE, gnome is the underling on Sabayon which makes it even harder getting going initially. Not everything that applies to KDE, works under Gnome.

I was trying to install one of my favorite apps, Gnubiff, which must reside alongside the tools that you can add to the toolbar, such as Weather Report and Battery Monitor in the "add to panel" section. I decided to give the IRC a shot hoping someone there would know how to make it appear there. The answer to my question came in the form of... "I thought gnomes where something you put in the front yard." That was it for me.

We tend to think the major hardware compatibility issues are the important issues to address, but there are many non-compatible littler issues that creep up that demand just as much attention. This is where Ubuntu shines. I don't think there has been one search in ubuntu's forum that has not provided me with an answer to my question, or a reference elsewhere for investigation.

Give their forums another two years and the seasoning should make the experience enjoyable and balance the scales of a great OS with equally great support. Gnome users, I would advise giving it a pass, unless you want to go it alone. Also, there were a few strange occurrences involving apps using gnome on Sabayon. For instance, every word processing app I pulled up refused to spell check my document, even though the option was activated, very odd. This happened in Kword, Open Office and Abiword. Also, their gui package installer called Karoo or something like that (KDE app, go figure) would only work the first time, then crash if you pulled it up again, until you rebooted. Then it was rinse and repeat, so you had one shot each session, frustrating. I ended up using the Terminal equivalent called emerge, which took forever to find apps. You also could not determine if it was actually working while doing its search, or not, as there was only a flashing cursor as an indicator. I love synaptic after that experience.

In the end, I went screaming back to Gnome supported Ubuntu. Here at least, the KDE people have their own Kubuntu forum for help if they can't find it here, no such luck on Sabayon for Gnomers. Keeping it real...and glad to be home.

Actually your mistake was only looking for Sabayon support....Sabayon is based on Gentoo....so when I need help I search Gentoo documentation....so a simple Google search does the trick since Gentoo is the most documented Distro out there....

but honestly I have never had a problem finding "Live" help.....at #sabayon IRC channel...which they have even included a desktop icon so you can click and directly link for "live" help...

I guess the difference here is Sabayon is a new and small community so socialization is a bit more direct and one on one....the developers are rarely NOT accessible "Live" and if you are friendly enough to establish working relationships they are even accessible via IM....

the big difference from Ubuntu to any distro is there is NO Linux distro with the superior support forum as found here at UbuntuForums....this and so many other reasons is why I am here....I still use Ubuntu on my secondary computer...and am very active in key Ubuntu projects....IE: NU Ubuntu Team(Northeastern US Ubuntu LoCo Team)....CafeUbuntu Team and other projects......

and I am always here...the beauty of the Ubuntuforums.org is they also provide forums and support for "Other OS's" including but not limited to Sabayon Linux and Gentoo.....since I actively use Sabayon on my primary computer I am always available for support here,...all though admitely I am new to Sabayon/Gentoo.....I also have tested over 200 other OS's so I can be of help for many other Linux distributions...

I welcome you back to Ubuntu....but keep in mind that we are all part of the same extended Linux family so it is never a us or them scenario....this is the wisdom of Ubuntu-Geek, KiwiNZ and other administrators and Ubuntuforums.org staff...is that when someone does a Google Search for Sabayon or any other OS.....it brings them to a developed forum and thread where they find real answers here...this is pure genius and true "OpenSource and TRUE Open-Minds" UbuntuForums.org is the most successful online community....and the main ingredient to the success of Ubuntu....my hat goes off to Ubuntu-Geek, KiwiNZ and other key developers in this forum....and I am glad to call ubunutforums.org my online home.

I am also glad to help here as a Ubuntuforums.org staff member.

Rodneyck...btw it took me about 15 seconds to find Gnubiff on emerge...I have been on most of the day here...you should have just asked me for help.

you could have installed your desired program even faster...under 5 seconds by running:


emerge -va gnubiff
also all your problems could have been easily fixed on Sabayon by using


emerge --syncthen layman

again this probably would have taken about 10 seconds on Google to find the documentation on Gentoo....and Gentoo has been around for a while...

also keep in mind the IRC is full of average users new to Sabayon like you and I,...the experience you had could have been from a random users...I know for a fact that the Major developers have not been on today...for the most part...and the comment was probably made as a joke....most IRC channels are like that.

[ahaslam]

http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/812/1ptgnore3.gif - lol

[mips]

Surely this means that people are now sharing corrupt copies?

Tony.

Could just be that it got corrupted during the download... has happened before.

[mips]

Use the Gentoo resources for sabayon ?

[RAV TUX]

Use the Gentoo resources for sabayon ?

Yes!, pretty much all the Gentoo packages and eBuilds work in Sabayon.....remember Sabayon is simply Gentoo pre-compiled;)

bookmark this link:


http://packages.gentoo.org/categories/

[mips]

Please see:

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17133
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2770