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siimo
August 5th, 2006, 01:11 PM
http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/08/02/32OPcurve_1.html

I don't know how accurate this article is but it mentions AMD is considering open sourcing a subset of ATI drivers!

if it is true, its a start.

WOOT!

Jucato
August 5th, 2006, 01:52 PM
If it is indeed true, then I might be switching to ATI soon. :D

I'd take it with a grain of salt, for now. At least until another news source makes a similar article, without linking to this one.

Rackerz
August 5th, 2006, 02:52 PM
Sorry I'm not exactly good with stuff like this, what would this mean for the ATI drivers?

PatrickMay16
August 5th, 2006, 02:55 PM
Sorry I'm not exactly good with stuff like this, what would this mean for the ATI drivers?

I'm not so good with this stuff either, but I think this would mean that the free open source ATI driver in X.org may be improved due to better knowledge of the cards gained through viewing the source of these official drivers. It may also mean that the official ATI drivers will improve in quality.

Whoa! FACKIN' OUT. This is pretty cool. AMD rocks.

Mathias-K
August 5th, 2006, 03:04 PM
Sorry I'm not exactly good with stuff like this, what would this mean for the ATI drivers?

If the ATI drivers were open sourced, they could be included on the Ubuntu CD. Then the road is clear for having OpenGL things like Xgl, AIGLX and UT2004 work out of the box instead of having to mess with installing the driver first.

Arisna
August 5th, 2006, 03:22 PM
I was hoping AMD would be a good influence on ATI, rather than the opposite and vice-versa. Maybe this is a good sign.

Jucato
August 5th, 2006, 03:27 PM
I'm still hoping that when I wake up tomorrow (night time here), there will be more news articles to confirm this.

If AMD-ATI will open source the video drivers, there will no longer be any moral/legal obstacles in including their binary drivers in all Linux distros. And most of all, RMS will be happy (I hope :D).

Terracotta
August 5th, 2006, 03:30 PM
If the drivers are open, ATI's got a new customer. Now I'm going for the nVidia thing but if ATI drivers are open, they can be included in the kernel, which would mean that all ATI-cards supported would work out of the box.

mips
August 5th, 2006, 03:38 PM
ATI does NOT hold the rights to all the source code in their drivers. Some of the the source code is held by 3rd party companies, there will be issues in getting around this unless the rights to that source code can be brought by amd/ati.

Jucato
August 5th, 2006, 03:55 PM
And just when you thought things were about to get better... :(

mips
August 5th, 2006, 04:33 PM
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst/linux.html#4

This does not mean things can't change.

Jucato
August 5th, 2006, 04:42 PM
Well I hope it does...

Terracotta
August 5th, 2006, 04:49 PM
ATI does NOT hold the rights to all the source code in their drivers. Some of the the source code is held by 3rd party companies, there will be issues in getting around this unless the rights to that source code can be brought by amd/ati.

They do not have to deliver the source code, opening the specs would be more than sufficient. Then drivers can be written from scratch and looking at how good current ATI drivers are, it might not be a bad thing.

mips
August 5th, 2006, 05:03 PM
They do not have to deliver the source code, opening the specs would be more than sufficient. Then drivers can be written from scratch and looking at how good current ATI drivers are, it might not be a bad thing.

Correct but they also don't own all the technology, some technology/hardware is not their design and owned by another company. Thats where I came in with the sourcecode thing.

Terracotta
August 5th, 2006, 05:41 PM
Correct but they also don't own all the technology, some technology/hardware is not their design and owned by another company. Thats where I came in with the sourcecode thing.

You got a point there ;-), didn't think about that, ah well perhaps AMD is strong enough to persuade the other companies, unless the other companies consist of Intel, nVidia and MS, then I think we're quite stuck

G Morgan
August 5th, 2006, 07:42 PM
I don't understand why Nvidia and ATI don't make an agreement to go open together. They tend to have a stand off where they release new models non simultaneously anyway so I can't see whats to be gained by them being medieval about this.

Mathias-K
August 5th, 2006, 08:10 PM
You got a point there ;-), didn't think about that, ah well perhaps AMD is strong enough to persuade the other companies, unless the other companies consist of Intel, nVidia and MS, then I think we're quite stuck

Well, Intel's own GMA graphics chips (i810-i945GM) run with open source linux drivers..

jc87
August 5th, 2006, 08:21 PM
My current video card is an ati radeon 9250 , and iīm very disapointed running it under Gnu/Linux , if they start to open source their drivers (even if not totally) i will consider make my next GPU also an ATI instead of an Nvidia.

Of course i will only believe it when i see it:rolleyes:

atrus123
August 5th, 2006, 08:46 PM
I was hoping AMD would be a good influence on ATI, rather than the opposite and vice-versa. Maybe this is a good sign.

AMD is a great company as far as Linux is concerned. I'm not at all surprised to see them taking ATI into this direction, but I am thrilled nonetheless.

Linux people should support AMD products, especially if the ATI rumors prove true.

newbie2
August 5th, 2006, 11:46 PM
i hope this link is not needed anymore in the future -->

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?atipet

:-({|=

BarfBag
August 6th, 2006, 03:50 AM
This is GOOD! ATI's Linux drivers have sucked for years. Hopefully, somebody will build off of them.

Not that I care. I'm an nVidia fan boy.

K.Mandla
August 6th, 2006, 04:58 AM
That. Would. Be. Awesome.

ubuntu_demon
August 6th, 2006, 12:45 PM
I discovered the article through :
http://albertomilone.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/amd-talks-about-ati/

I blogged about this here :
http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/08/06/amd-is-strongly-considering-open-sourcing-at-least-a-functional-subset-of-ati%e2%80%99s-graphics-drivers/

Let’s take this with a grain of salt right now until we have confirmation from other sources.

But it would be great news. I really hope they decide to open source the drivers! In the end that would probably force nvidia to do the same. If they (ati,nvidia) don’t release their drivers as open source then the least they could do is release the specifications needed to write proper (open source) drivers.

I’m going to buy a new videocard as soon as I am able to buy one for which open source videocard drivers are available that are capable of offering trouble-free fully hardware accelerated rendering through xserver-xorg in Ubuntu.

Let's digg the article and see what happens :
http://digg.com/tech_news/AMD_talks_about_ATI_InfoWorld_By_Tom_Yager

Maybe the publicity helps them decide :-D

From http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=598023&seqNum=1&rl=1 :


My experience with manufacturer’s drivers hasn’t been good, whereas my experience with open source drivers (where they exist) has been excellent. Perhaps I’m unusual in this respect.

A lot of reasons are given for not supporting the development of Free Software drivers, either by releasing the code or the documentation required for other people to write them. Some of these arguments are valid, but most are misguided or simply wrong, particularly those that relate to not releasing the documentation required for other people to implement the drivers.

Whether you should use a binary driver with a Free Software operating system depends on why you chose a Free OS in the first place. If it was for transparency, security, stability, accountability, or the concept of Software Freedom, then a binary driver is likely to remove some of this attraction for you. If you had other reasons, perhaps using binary drivers is a more “pragmatic” solution.


I blogged about this article here :

The Role of Binary Drivers in a Free OS
http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/08/06/the-role-of-binary-drivers-in-a-free-os/

Rackerz
August 6th, 2006, 02:59 PM
I hope this does happen, only one driver has ever worked for me and that's the one in the repositories now.

Mathias-K
August 6th, 2006, 08:03 PM
AMD is a great company as far as Linux is concerned. I'm not at all surprised to see them taking ATI into this direction, but I am thrilled nonetheless.

Linux people should support AMD products, especially if the ATI rumors prove true.

What has AMD done for open source that Intel hasn't? There is a lot of hot air and wague talks about openness, but can you point me to something concrete? I have searched without much luck :)

Both companies contribute to the Linux kernel, and Intel has open source drivers for their graphics chips (as I mentioned before).

srunni
August 10th, 2006, 03:39 AM
http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/08/02/32OPcurve_1.html

I really hope AMD open sources the ATi drivers.

The Keeper
August 10th, 2006, 12:25 PM
AMD is strongly considering open-sourcing at least a functional subset of ATIís graphics drivers. Itís time for X Window System, OpenGL, and client virtualization for which ATI binary drivers arenít available to escape the ghetto of the 1980s-era framebuffer. And what a boon for PR. If AMDís graphics cards were the only ones with open device drivers, it might affect a buying decision or two.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/08/02/32OPcurve_1.html

Still only a rumor but every rumor has a bit of truth in it... at least in this case I really hope so. :)

Terracotta
August 10th, 2006, 12:48 PM
http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/08/02/32OPcurve_1.html

Still only a rumor but every rumor has a bit of truth in it... at least in this case I really hope so. :)

Now there are three threads regarding this same Issue?

The Keeper
August 10th, 2006, 01:01 PM
There are? I only found the thread about the recent Intel drivers release.

bruce89
August 10th, 2006, 01:06 PM
There's more than one page:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=233297
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=229992

Jucato
August 10th, 2006, 02:12 PM
can we have them merged? It's good to have just one place to check in for the latest rumors. :-D

prizrak
August 10th, 2006, 02:21 PM
We need a rumors section in the forum :)

Terracotta
August 10th, 2006, 02:26 PM
can we have them merged? It's good to have just one place to check in for the latest rumors. :-D
Something like: "open-source graphics drivers", why not take the intel open source drivers thread in it as wel :D one big mess of drivers :p, oh nVidia where are thou?

matthew
August 10th, 2006, 02:38 PM
I have just merged together several threads on this topic. Sorry if there was any confusion.

Jucato
August 10th, 2006, 03:27 PM
Something like: "open-source graphics drivers", why not take the intel open source drivers thread in it as wel :D one big mess of drivers :p, oh nVidia where are thou?

ATI's case is still just a rumor.
Intel's case, although a "win" for FOSS, is not that big unless Intel starts making non-IGP video cards

NVIDIA... is missing in on a lot of fun. :D

newbie2
August 10th, 2006, 04:05 PM
ATI's case is still just a rumor.
Intel's case, although a "win" for FOSS, is not that big unless Intel starts making non-IGP video cards

NVIDIA... is missing in on a lot of fun. :D

Intel has released open source drivers for the GMA X3000 and 3000 graphics engines it's building into its G965, Q965 and Q963 chipsets. According to the company, the drivers provide both 2D and 3D rendering under Linux.
Intel admitted the code is "still in need of significant testing, tuning, and bug fixing before they will be ready for production use". Getting the code out into the public arena will allow it to start gaining the feedback it needs to iron out the wrinkles.

The drivers can be downloaded from Intel's Linux graphics website, here. ģ
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/08/10/intel_posts_g965_linux_driver/
:cool:

poofyhairguy
August 10th, 2006, 06:02 PM
NVIDIA... is missing in on a lot of fun. :D

Nvidia holds the opinion that the entire open source community could not improve their (to them near perfect) driver that much as to bother. They are quite cocky.

prizrak
August 10th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Nvidia holds the opinion that the entire open source community could not improve their (to them near perfect) driver that much as to bother. They are quite cocky.

As long as they keep providing quality drivers for us they can stay cocky. Would be nice to get OOTB nVidia drivers with updates when new versions come out through Synaptic :)

ubuntu_demon
August 13th, 2006, 11:43 AM
Don’t buy a videocard from ATI/AMD
They are not going to open source their drivers.

There are lots of people who have a lot of trouble to get ATI’s proprietary drivers working properly. Check out the Video and Sound section.

http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/dont-buy-atiamd

Carrots171
August 13th, 2006, 12:13 PM
Donít buy ATI/AMD
They are not going to open source their drivers.

http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/dont-buy-atiamd

A-a-ATI d-drivers? N-n-not going to be open source? NOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOoOOOOOOOOoOoOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!#-o

krazyd
August 13th, 2006, 12:13 PM
I don't know how reliable that info is. There is no date or reference on the 'source' from ATI. Plus the article comes with the disclaimer that the acquisition by AMD might change things..

Here's hoping it's incorrect :)

Carrots171
August 13th, 2006, 12:21 PM
I don't know how reliable that info is. There is no date or reference on the 'source' from ATI. Plus the article comes with the disclaimer that the acquisition by AMD might change things..

Here's hoping it's incorrect :)

Let's hope that AMD changes ATI for the better. If they don't change and keep their drivers closed-source, then:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6841/rmssignkb8.jpg

bjweeks
August 13th, 2006, 12:24 PM
Hippie sign generator?

Jucato
August 13th, 2006, 12:39 PM
Did RMS do a similar thing with NVIDIA?

Anyway, I was hoping that the rumor was true, but then again it was too good to be true also.

I wonder if Intel has any plans of making non-IGP 3d hardware accelerated video cards. That would be totally cool, seeing that they're open sourcing their drivers.

EdThaSlayer
August 13th, 2006, 02:22 PM
I cant wait for this to come out!
If this is true...
then ATI would be the graphic
card of choice!
Hopefully Nvidia will follow their
marketing plan!

prizrak
August 13th, 2006, 04:34 PM
Did RMS do a similar thing with NVIDIA?

Anyway, I was hoping that the rumor was true, but then again it was too good to be true also.

I wonder if Intel has any plans of making non-IGP 3d hardware accelerated video cards. That would be totally cool, seeing that they're open sourcing their drivers.

Intel will never do that. There is no point in it. They are dominated the integrated market segment and are fine with it. As was pointed out Intel made more money on their chipsets than ATI and nVidia combined. Why would they bother to divert resources into competing with established players in the market?

hanzomon4
August 13th, 2006, 08:11 PM
Sorry to kill peoples hope but I don't think this ati thing is going to happen. No Open Graphics Drivers from AMD (http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=15472)

Statement by ATI: "For other markets, such as workstation and consumer, performance and feature differentiation are key metrics. Proprietary, patented optimizations are part of the value we provide to our customers and we have no plans to release these drivers to open source. In addition, multimedia elements such as content protection must not, by their very nature, be allowed to go open source."

robzon
August 13th, 2006, 09:46 PM
Yeah :(
Well, my next purchase will be intel.. too bad for AMD, I used to like them.

bjweeks
August 14th, 2006, 03:19 AM
Yeah :(
Well, my next purchase will be intel.. too bad for AMD, I used to like them.

wtf does this have to do with processers again? unless you're buying a laptop.

prizrak
August 14th, 2006, 04:02 AM
Yeah :(
Well, my next purchase will be intel.. too bad for AMD, I used to like them.

Why do you have a problem with AMD now if you didn't before? They never said they were gonna do anything with ATI. They bought ATI to build their own Centrino like platform since ATI does make chipsets. They were never gonna run ATI's business. This one is an actual merger with both companies still retaining control over their business process. If you don't want to buy AMD/ATI because they are proprietary you might want to steer clear of nVidia as well and just go for Intel.

bjweeks
August 14th, 2006, 04:16 AM
Why do you have a problem with AMD now if you didn't before? They never said they were gonna do anything with ATI. They bought ATI to build their own Centrino like platform since ATI does make chipsets. They were never gonna run ATI's business. This one is an actual merger with both companies still retaining control over their business process. If you don't want to buy AMD/ATI because they are proprietary you might want to steer clear of nVidia as well and just go for Intel.

Yeah, because intel doesn't have closed source drivers or anything :rolleyes:

prizrak
August 14th, 2006, 02:35 PM
Yeah, because intel doesn't have closed source drivers or anything :rolleyes:

Wasn't aware of their CC drivers. I'll admit that I don't know their product line all that much and AFAIK their wi-fi and NIC drivers are open. Could be wrong of course. You do seem to see my point here :)

bjweeks
August 14th, 2006, 02:39 PM
Wasn't aware of their CC drivers. I'll admit that I don't know their product line all that much and AFAIK their wi-fi and NIC drivers are open. Could be wrong of course. You do seem to see my point here :)

Yeah :) Just the whole "ZOMG! Boycot AMD because ATI has closed source drivers!!one!" idea is stupid. Lets boycot intel because they use windows boxes :rolleyes:

Terracotta
August 14th, 2006, 02:53 PM
Yeah :) Just the whole "ZOMG! Boycot AMD because ATI has closed source drivers!!one!" idea is stupid. Lets boycot intel because they use windows boxes :rolleyes:

Not to mention their drivers are not as open as many think:
http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=1547;

prizrak
August 14th, 2006, 03:25 PM
Not to mention their drivers are not as open as many think:
http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=1547;

To modify what I said to someone who said that they don't want to support unfair business practices and therefore won't use anything produced in such a way: "If you only want to use libre stuff, you might as well use a typewriter".

Cynical
August 31st, 2006, 10:49 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies#Operating_system_drivers


Btw it says, "until the merger is complete", which makes sense.

prizrak
August 31st, 2006, 02:00 PM
The most you can hope for is the 2D part. They will not open source the 3D part.

K.Mandla
November 19th, 2006, 07:42 PM
Has there been any development on this? I occasionally pick through Google news in hopes of hearing something, but I find nothing.

mips
November 19th, 2006, 07:58 PM
Has there been any development on this? I occasionally pick through Google news in hopes of hearing something, but I find nothing.

I would not get my hopes up if i was you. I just do not see this happening in the near future.

prizrak
November 20th, 2006, 02:49 AM
The most you can hope for is open 2D drivers, they will not open 3D not unless nVidia does and they won't.... Well you see where that is going. If we are REALLY lucky they might open up specs for older cards that are not supported by newer versions of the driver.