Viper550
July 25th, 2006, 04:51 PM
Place: #ubuntu-desktop
Time: today
It's long, but VERY funny, when I join in later is when the funniest part begind...
<gammamute> hey how do I make a website with ubuntu-desktop?
<tseng> you can try bluefish or nvu
<gammamute> what are those?
<tseng> html editor
<tseng> s
<tseng> I use vi
<gammamute> oh. how do I do it with php in ubuntu-desktop?
<tseng> that probably isnt your speed.
<tseng> I am not sure what you are asking for
<tseng> a php ide?
<gammamute> ??
<tseng> or a php-able webserver
<gammamute> no, just how to make a website with php in ubuntu-desktop
<tseng> sigh.
<tseng> do you want to write php code?
<gammamute> no, I want to make a website.
<tseng> or run the webserver, or both
<tseng> "I want to make a website" involves alot of things
<tseng> I think you are better off finding a tutorial on php
<tseng> it really isnt in the scope of ubuntu-desktop at all
<gammamute> it doesnt help with web development?
<tseng> I edit php on my ubuntu desktop, I host it on my ubuntu server
<tseng> I would like to help you, but you keep speaking in generalities
<tseng> have you ever built a php site before?
<gammamute> oh. you should be in #untuntu-server.
<tseng> I should?
<gammamute> i dont know much about php
<tseng> I think your first step then should be to study up on PHP
<gammamute> what about ubuntu?
<tseng> ubuntu-desktop doesnt have a php IDE
<tseng> what about ubuntu, exactly?
<gammamute> i dont know what that is
<gammamute> IDE
<tseng> you are extremely unclear on what you want from us
<tseng> Integrated Development Environment
<gammamute> I want to make a website.
<tseng> to make a website you write code
<tseng> it runs on a webserver
<tseng> there is no magic point of entry
<gammamute> I don't understand.
<tseng> there are 100 steps in making a website
<gammamute> What does any of that have to do with making a website?
<tseng> you ask me "how can I make a website with ubuntu"
<tseng> oh god
<Viper550> Just get nvu
<gammamute> I dont know what that is.
<Viper550> Or, ask your question in #ubuntu, we deal with the actual desktop, not what you do with it!
<gammamute> or what i would do with that
<gammamute> if you deal with the actual desktop, and not what you do with it....what exactly do you do?
<gammamute> do you polish it?
<mdke> gammamute: you need to find a basic tutorial about websites. This channel is for talking about how to make the ubuntu desktop better
<Viper550> Yes, making it usable
<gammamute> oh. well. I'm finding it very difficult to make a website with it.
<Viper550> Nice, clear, concise, simple! If you don't like the default layout, ask us, if you like making websites, go to #ubuntu
<mdke> gammamute: that is because making a website is very difficult
<mdke> you need to read a tutorial and maybe do some classes and so on
<gammamute> so ubuntu desktop, an OS, doesn't make websites? how long has it been in development?
<jsgotangco> gammamute: do you know HTML
<gammamute> jsgotangco: he's a fine fellow.
<Viper550> Ubuntu Desktop ISN'T THE OS!!!
<mdke> gammamute: no operating system makes websites. There are some programs to do that, one of which is nvu
<jsgotangco> Viper550: chill
<jsgotangco> gammamute: i meant HTML, the markup language
<gammamute> why isnt it part of the os, though?
<gammamute> to make it easy for people like me?
<dholbach> thi is not a support channel
<mdke> gammamute: because making websites is not thought to be a common enough activity. You can easily install a program to do so
<seb128> dholbach is right
<seb128> that's not the chan to speak about website
<dholbach> you can search for "html editor" in synaptic or apt-cache
<gammamute> mdke: if that was true, then why is myspace HUGE?
* Viper550 saves the log of this (which is what you are now reading)
<gammamute> it gets the most hits
<dholbach> this channel is about developing the ubuntu desktop
<gammamute> of any site in america
<dholbach> now please give it a rest
<gammamute> all i want is to make a website with ubuntu-desktop.
<gammamute> i love ubuntu-desktop
<gammamute> but
<dholbach> gammamute: please read what i said
<seb128> gammamute: you can use any text editor to do a website
<gammamute> its support channel is very mean.
<Viper550> ubuntu-desktop is just the desktop
<gammamute> what do desktops do?
<seb128> that's a matter or you learning how to make the site
<seb128> it provides softwares for you to use
<Viper550> gives you the interface
<dholbach> gammamute: you can search for "html editor" in synaptic or apt-cache
<seb128> like a text editor
<seb128> it doesn't teach you to type on a keyboard
<seb128> or write a website
<seb128> that's something you have to do by your own
<gammamute> oh, I dont want to learn any code.
<seb128> so you can't do a website
<jsgotangco> great
<seb128> that's like wanting to write a book without learning to write or type
<Viper550> http://www.nvu.com/index.php
<gammamute> hey, can ubuntu desktop be used for a binary proxy server with secured access?
<Viper550> ubuntu-desktop is just the core desktop, you need apache to do that
<gammamute> really? apache does that??
<Viper550> Yes.
<gammamute> cool. i didn't know that. I always thought it was restricted to port 80.
<seb128> gammamute: desktop = apps you use on a desktop, that's not the chan to speak about proxy, server, website
<gammamute> I dont understand.
<dholbach> seb128: did you start on any of gnome-session, gdm, control-center?
<gammamute> why dont you have a wysiwyg visual editor built in to the desktop for developers?
<seb128> dholbach: yeah, all of them, go and triage bugs now :p
* seb128 runs
<dholbach> gammamute: please try #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1
<seb128> dholbach: no, joke aside you can do all of them :)
<dholbach> gammamute: this is a channel about development of ubuntu desktop
* Viper550 thinks this would make a good Saturday Night Live skit
<gammamute> but I want to talk about the desktop
<ajmitch> hi pitti
<seb128> gammamute: do you have any good one to suggest?
<dholbach> gammamute: then talk about DEVELOPMENT of the ubuntu desktop
<gammamute> yeah i have a good one to suggest
<gammamute> why dont you have a wysiwyg visual editor built in to the desktop for developers?
<seb128> gammamute: why one?
<seb128> which
<seb128> gammamute: which one?
<tseng> you mean nvu?
<Viper550> He wants something like nvu included
<gammamute> no
<gammamute> yea
<tseng> we cant include everything.
<gammamute> VISUAL editor, not code
<pitti> hey
<gammamute> PHP visual editor
<dholbach> hey pitti
<tseng> you cant have a php visual editor
<seb128> gammamute: apt-get install nvu and you are done
<seb128> gammamute: we don't ship devel tools on the default desktop because there is not enough space on a CD for that
<seb128> wb pitti
<Viper550> Go to #ubuntu, you might get more help there
<gammamute> well, you dont need EVERYTHINg included to be hot. a kick ***, simple FTP client, a visual php editor (like dreamweaver is for html) and a google bar that searches your hd all right there on the desktop.
<tseng> you could write an open source visual php editor
<gammamute> see?
<tseng> and make you own ubuntu install cds with all that stuff
<tseng> ubuntu is a general purpose os
<tseng> so is windows or mac.. it doesnt come with dreamweaver
<gammamute> yeah, I can see that's helped its publicity so much, too.
<gammamute> tseng: go A step above
<gammamute> Aspire.
<seb128> gammamute: the CD is already oversized without those
<Viper550> Dreamweaver is COMMERCIAL software, you can't just include anything in an operating system
<gammamute> yeah, because its loaded with crap no one ever uses.
<dholbach> Ok
<seb128> like a music player?
<seb128> or a web browser?
<jsgotangco> dholbach: go for it
<seb128> or a mail agent?
<dholbach> That's enough. There's a process for getting things included on the CD. It's very simple.
<gammamute> viper: I meant an 'ubuntu' ve
<dholbach> Take the discussion to the Mailing list, then look on the wiki for Inclusion.
<gammamute> nah, I dont really care that much. you already have the ideas.
Funny?
Time: today
It's long, but VERY funny, when I join in later is when the funniest part begind...
<gammamute> hey how do I make a website with ubuntu-desktop?
<tseng> you can try bluefish or nvu
<gammamute> what are those?
<tseng> html editor
<tseng> s
<tseng> I use vi
<gammamute> oh. how do I do it with php in ubuntu-desktop?
<tseng> that probably isnt your speed.
<tseng> I am not sure what you are asking for
<tseng> a php ide?
<gammamute> ??
<tseng> or a php-able webserver
<gammamute> no, just how to make a website with php in ubuntu-desktop
<tseng> sigh.
<tseng> do you want to write php code?
<gammamute> no, I want to make a website.
<tseng> or run the webserver, or both
<tseng> "I want to make a website" involves alot of things
<tseng> I think you are better off finding a tutorial on php
<tseng> it really isnt in the scope of ubuntu-desktop at all
<gammamute> it doesnt help with web development?
<tseng> I edit php on my ubuntu desktop, I host it on my ubuntu server
<tseng> I would like to help you, but you keep speaking in generalities
<tseng> have you ever built a php site before?
<gammamute> oh. you should be in #untuntu-server.
<tseng> I should?
<gammamute> i dont know much about php
<tseng> I think your first step then should be to study up on PHP
<gammamute> what about ubuntu?
<tseng> ubuntu-desktop doesnt have a php IDE
<tseng> what about ubuntu, exactly?
<gammamute> i dont know what that is
<gammamute> IDE
<tseng> you are extremely unclear on what you want from us
<tseng> Integrated Development Environment
<gammamute> I want to make a website.
<tseng> to make a website you write code
<tseng> it runs on a webserver
<tseng> there is no magic point of entry
<gammamute> I don't understand.
<tseng> there are 100 steps in making a website
<gammamute> What does any of that have to do with making a website?
<tseng> you ask me "how can I make a website with ubuntu"
<tseng> oh god
<Viper550> Just get nvu
<gammamute> I dont know what that is.
<Viper550> Or, ask your question in #ubuntu, we deal with the actual desktop, not what you do with it!
<gammamute> or what i would do with that
<gammamute> if you deal with the actual desktop, and not what you do with it....what exactly do you do?
<gammamute> do you polish it?
<mdke> gammamute: you need to find a basic tutorial about websites. This channel is for talking about how to make the ubuntu desktop better
<Viper550> Yes, making it usable
<gammamute> oh. well. I'm finding it very difficult to make a website with it.
<Viper550> Nice, clear, concise, simple! If you don't like the default layout, ask us, if you like making websites, go to #ubuntu
<mdke> gammamute: that is because making a website is very difficult
<mdke> you need to read a tutorial and maybe do some classes and so on
<gammamute> so ubuntu desktop, an OS, doesn't make websites? how long has it been in development?
<jsgotangco> gammamute: do you know HTML
<gammamute> jsgotangco: he's a fine fellow.
<Viper550> Ubuntu Desktop ISN'T THE OS!!!
<mdke> gammamute: no operating system makes websites. There are some programs to do that, one of which is nvu
<jsgotangco> Viper550: chill
<jsgotangco> gammamute: i meant HTML, the markup language
<gammamute> why isnt it part of the os, though?
<gammamute> to make it easy for people like me?
<dholbach> thi is not a support channel
<mdke> gammamute: because making websites is not thought to be a common enough activity. You can easily install a program to do so
<seb128> dholbach is right
<seb128> that's not the chan to speak about website
<dholbach> you can search for "html editor" in synaptic or apt-cache
<gammamute> mdke: if that was true, then why is myspace HUGE?
* Viper550 saves the log of this (which is what you are now reading)
<gammamute> it gets the most hits
<dholbach> this channel is about developing the ubuntu desktop
<gammamute> of any site in america
<dholbach> now please give it a rest
<gammamute> all i want is to make a website with ubuntu-desktop.
<gammamute> i love ubuntu-desktop
<gammamute> but
<dholbach> gammamute: please read what i said
<seb128> gammamute: you can use any text editor to do a website
<gammamute> its support channel is very mean.
<Viper550> ubuntu-desktop is just the desktop
<gammamute> what do desktops do?
<seb128> that's a matter or you learning how to make the site
<seb128> it provides softwares for you to use
<Viper550> gives you the interface
<dholbach> gammamute: you can search for "html editor" in synaptic or apt-cache
<seb128> like a text editor
<seb128> it doesn't teach you to type on a keyboard
<seb128> or write a website
<seb128> that's something you have to do by your own
<gammamute> oh, I dont want to learn any code.
<seb128> so you can't do a website
<jsgotangco> great
<seb128> that's like wanting to write a book without learning to write or type
<Viper550> http://www.nvu.com/index.php
<gammamute> hey, can ubuntu desktop be used for a binary proxy server with secured access?
<Viper550> ubuntu-desktop is just the core desktop, you need apache to do that
<gammamute> really? apache does that??
<Viper550> Yes.
<gammamute> cool. i didn't know that. I always thought it was restricted to port 80.
<seb128> gammamute: desktop = apps you use on a desktop, that's not the chan to speak about proxy, server, website
<gammamute> I dont understand.
<dholbach> seb128: did you start on any of gnome-session, gdm, control-center?
<gammamute> why dont you have a wysiwyg visual editor built in to the desktop for developers?
<seb128> dholbach: yeah, all of them, go and triage bugs now :p
* seb128 runs
<dholbach> gammamute: please try #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1
<seb128> dholbach: no, joke aside you can do all of them :)
<dholbach> gammamute: this is a channel about development of ubuntu desktop
* Viper550 thinks this would make a good Saturday Night Live skit
<gammamute> but I want to talk about the desktop
<ajmitch> hi pitti
<seb128> gammamute: do you have any good one to suggest?
<dholbach> gammamute: then talk about DEVELOPMENT of the ubuntu desktop
<gammamute> yeah i have a good one to suggest
<gammamute> why dont you have a wysiwyg visual editor built in to the desktop for developers?
<seb128> gammamute: why one?
<seb128> which
<seb128> gammamute: which one?
<tseng> you mean nvu?
<Viper550> He wants something like nvu included
<gammamute> no
<gammamute> yea
<tseng> we cant include everything.
<gammamute> VISUAL editor, not code
<pitti> hey
<gammamute> PHP visual editor
<dholbach> hey pitti
<tseng> you cant have a php visual editor
<seb128> gammamute: apt-get install nvu and you are done
<seb128> gammamute: we don't ship devel tools on the default desktop because there is not enough space on a CD for that
<seb128> wb pitti
<Viper550> Go to #ubuntu, you might get more help there
<gammamute> well, you dont need EVERYTHINg included to be hot. a kick ***, simple FTP client, a visual php editor (like dreamweaver is for html) and a google bar that searches your hd all right there on the desktop.
<tseng> you could write an open source visual php editor
<gammamute> see?
<tseng> and make you own ubuntu install cds with all that stuff
<tseng> ubuntu is a general purpose os
<tseng> so is windows or mac.. it doesnt come with dreamweaver
<gammamute> yeah, I can see that's helped its publicity so much, too.
<gammamute> tseng: go A step above
<gammamute> Aspire.
<seb128> gammamute: the CD is already oversized without those
<Viper550> Dreamweaver is COMMERCIAL software, you can't just include anything in an operating system
<gammamute> yeah, because its loaded with crap no one ever uses.
<dholbach> Ok
<seb128> like a music player?
<seb128> or a web browser?
<jsgotangco> dholbach: go for it
<seb128> or a mail agent?
<dholbach> That's enough. There's a process for getting things included on the CD. It's very simple.
<gammamute> viper: I meant an 'ubuntu' ve
<dholbach> Take the discussion to the Mailing list, then look on the wiki for Inclusion.
<gammamute> nah, I dont really care that much. you already have the ideas.
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