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lykwydchykyn
April 10th, 2014, 05:13 PM
One week til 14.04, this is what ubuntu.com looks like:

http://imgur.com/loh31p3

No mention of an impending release. Only passing mention of Ubuntu desktop at all. Big banners about open stack and mobile.

Guess times have changed. :-/

malspa
April 10th, 2014, 05:39 PM
Yeah, that's kinda surprising.

sipirilin
April 10th, 2014, 10:45 PM
Ubuntu need to look at Apple and Samsung and get some ideas with regard to creating hype. Some original ideas wouldn0't go amiss either. The hype goes to those who shout the loudest.

estamets
April 11th, 2014, 12:30 AM
The only thing that comes to mind is the fact that Canonical is focused on moblie for the next year or so. They've stated that pretty flatly and consistently. That's about the only thing I can think of... Even that's a stretch I'd think. A branded product is a branded product.. I'm sure Microsoft hyped up Microsoft Bob when it came out.. Who knows.

whatthefunk
April 11th, 2014, 12:40 AM
Ubuntu need to look at Apple and Samsung and get some ideas with regard to creating hype. Some original ideas wouldn0't go amiss either. The hype goes to those who shout the loudest.

Hype requires money. The type of hype that Apple, Samsung and virtually all major companies attempt to produce before product release costs millions and millions of dollars. Canonical is already struggling to make a profit so I dont know where that kind of money would come from. Maybe you can lend them some? ):P

Is there anything in 14.04 to be hyped about? To me, it seems like its shooting for stability and tweaks in Unity. I think it would be a challenge for any company to get Apple level hype about window resizing ability and locally integrated menus...

SurfaceUnits
April 11th, 2014, 12:55 AM
I finally have an Ubuntu OS that I can use my ATT 4G AirCard on

tgalati4
April 11th, 2014, 02:24 AM
I prefer vaporware over hyperware.

Jonor
April 11th, 2014, 03:41 PM
Ubuntu is getting plenty of coverage in internet news sites, particularly in relation to XP's demise and that is worth more than self promotion.
The path to Mark Shuttleworth's door will likely get beaten down quite a bit in the next few months.

forrestcupp
April 14th, 2014, 12:49 PM
The only thing that bothers me is that they're using ubuntu.com for all of their non-Ubuntu stuff, instead of canonical.com. It just doesn't make sense. Ubuntu.com needs to be for Ubuntu.

RadicaX
April 14th, 2014, 06:18 PM
The only thing that bothers me is that they're using ubuntu.com for all of their non-Ubuntu stuff, instead of canonical.com. It just doesn't make sense. Ubuntu.com needs to be for Ubuntu.

That, I agree with. I would be fine even, if they wanted to show things off like Ubuntu Phone, or Tablet. But you need to have your site on Ubuntu focused on showing people the benefits for the desktop, and server. I do not care for their feature tour compared to what I have seen some others have done (I like what the Kubuntu team did with their feature tour, nice, direct to the point, and screen shots). Currently, it does seem sorta pushed to the side.

treb0r
April 14th, 2014, 07:29 PM
IMHO, we are in a period of quiet achievement. Although Ubuntu and Canonical could be said to have had a tough time in a PR sense recently, they are surely gaining ground. 14.04 looks to be a fantastic polished release but bigger things await in the medium term. Stay tuned!

jamesfbays
April 15th, 2014, 02:16 AM
I remember when there was a countdown to the latest Ubuntu release. I miss the excitement of those days. (I also miss the brown theme.) Times change, I suppose...

RichardET
April 15th, 2014, 04:14 AM
Is there any advantage other than small improvements to Unity, to upgrade from version 13.1 to 14.04?

jbaerboc
April 15th, 2014, 04:38 AM
I would think [pending finances] it would be great for Ubuntu to capitalize on everyone's "fears" about Windows XP's "demise". Again if they could fund it some quick hit TV spots would be epic!

jbaerboc
April 15th, 2014, 04:39 AM
Is there any advantage other than small improvements to Unity, to upgrade from version 13.1 to 14.04?

I'm running the Beta 2 now and it works, where-as 13.10 I couldn't even get to install....still don't know why lol. Anywho I have heard that a new Kernel is in play, along with some other new shiny packages. All I know is that it works swimmingly for :)

malspa
April 15th, 2014, 09:15 AM
Have to admit, I'm kinda hesitant to move on from 12.04 to 14.04 right away. Maybe I'll wait for a month or two.

Warren Hill
April 15th, 2014, 02:33 PM
Have to admit, I'm kinda hesitant to move on from 12.04 to 14.04 right away. Maybe I'll wait for a month or two.

+1

I'll be waiting for 14.04.1 (around Aug 21) before I update my server and main desktop PCs. We always find new bugs when a new release comes out. LTS releases are better than non LTS but still not perfect.

As for my test PC been running 14.04 for months.

lykwydchykyn
April 15th, 2014, 04:39 PM
Have to admit, I'm kinda hesitant to move on from 12.04 to 14.04 right away. Maybe I'll wait for a month or two.

If your updater is set to LTS mode (if you haven't been prompted to update to the interim releases, it is), then I think you don't get prompted for update until the .1 release. It worked that way in the past.

Frogs Hair
April 15th, 2014, 08:15 PM
14.04 is the third LTS since I started to use Ubuntu and 10.04 seem to get the most attention because of the cosmetic changes (branding colors, icons, and light themes). 12.04 and 14.04 seem to be more polished versions of their predecessors.

mastablasta
April 16th, 2014, 09:43 AM
Is there any advantage other than small improvements to Unity, to upgrade from version 13.1 to 14.04?

newer programs, new kernel with plenty of new features, new and much improved opensource AMD drivers... DE also get upgraded with features, performance improvements etc. well actually you can get most of this stuff via PPA but then it would be a lot of PPA.

su:bhatta
April 16th, 2014, 09:55 AM
newer programs, new kernel with plenty of new features, new and much improved opensource AMD drivers... DE also get upgraded with features, performance improvements etc. well actually you can get most of this stuff via PPA but then it would be a lot of PPA.

I, for one, am really happy with the AMD drivers. Always had to use nomodeset kernel arg for my Radeon6480 card.

Running 14.04 from February, I never had to do that.
First time, since 12.04 that I didn't have to use nomodeset. Horray to that.
Also, the Radeon DPM, really gives very nice battery life.

Very nice and polished release it seems, and have been very stable. At least from Feb 1st week here.
I am using Ubuntu Studio development release BTW, with KDE/FVWM added on top of it.

Canonical IS, is really getting more attention anyways, and are more focused on mobile platform development, from what I've gathered.
That's fine. It is a company and it has it's goals and milestones to achieve.

As for the hype part, many websites I have seen have listed it as a substitute to WinXP.
But really, that shouldn't be the case.
Ubuntu w/Unity is pretty heavy for machines that used to run WinXP.

Looking at the forums over the past month there have been many threads where this has been brought to light too.

P.S.: Great work by Ubuntu Studio team, like the Wallpaper by MadeInKobaia !

Warren Hill
April 17th, 2014, 08:33 AM
True Ubuntu with unity is not a good fit if you are running XP on a computer that's old enough for that XP was a new OS. Xubuntu however should be fine.

Hylas de Niall
April 17th, 2014, 08:39 AM
I remember when there was a countdown to the latest Ubuntu release. I miss the excitement of those days. (I also miss the brown theme.) Times change, I suppose...

Same here, though darned if i recall when we last had one ...12.04?

lykwydchykyn
April 17th, 2014, 02:43 PM
Well, it's release day. They still have 13.10 linked on the main page. Something about 14.04 and "the cloud". Huh. Just a commentary, not complaining. Times have changed.

sffvba[e0rt
April 17th, 2014, 02:53 PM
There was a time that all Canonical had was Ubuntu for servers / desktops and it was their number one focus. I am sure there is still a lot of focus on servers but very little care for the desktop now IMO...

jeremy1138
April 17th, 2014, 03:10 PM
It's disappointing for sure. I remember when Ubuntu was featured front and center on ubuntu.com.

These days (and it's been this way for a few years now) you have to basically know what you're looking for and click through to find information on Ubuntu. There's almost nothing on the home page that the average joe desktop user is going to care about. Oh, you have something for cell phones/tablets/TV!!! That's great! Oh but I can't get it anywhere. Openstack? What the heck is that? You get the idea.

I too remember when there was a big shiny countdown to the next release featured prominently on ubuntu.com. Ubuntu, the DESKTOP operating system, is what made Canonical relatively well known. They would do well to remember that, I think, for they could easily be supplanted as the number one Linux desktop.

[edit]
By the way, I'm not so naive that I don't understand why Canonical is making a shift toward focusing more on OEMs and enterprise clients. I'm sure it makes great business sense, but the idealist in me doesn't like it. That's all.

It seems to be the way of things in the Linux world for as long as I've been a part of it. Heck, I remember when you could walk into Walmart and buy Red Hat Linux for your home computer. Red Hat shifted away from home users to focus on enterprise clients and I'm sure it was for the same reason as Canonical. Enterprise and OEMs are where the money is.

Frogs Hair
April 17th, 2014, 03:55 PM
It's still morning here and I remember past new releases not being not being posted until later in the day . I do remember the countdown widget competition and I found a phone app ala 2011.

Dragonbite
April 17th, 2014, 04:17 PM
Hype requires money. The type of hype that Apple, Samsung and virtually all major companies attempt to produce before product release costs millions and millions of dollars. Canonical is already struggling to make a profit so I dont know where that kind of money would come from. Maybe you can lend them some? ):P

Is there anything in 14.04 to be hyped about? To me, it seems like its shooting for stability and tweaks in Unity. I think it would be a challenge for any company to get Apple level hype about window resizing ability and locally integrated menus...

Apple and others need to spend money because they are the only ones in control of it. Ubuntu, in times past, might hype things up some themselves but the community too was much more active!



I remember when there was a countdown to the latest Ubuntu release. I miss the excitement of those days. (I also miss the brown theme.) Times change, I suppose...

Yes! Finally somebody else who misses the brown them! I am not alone! :guitar:


Have to admit, I'm kinda hesitant to move on from 12.04 to 14.04 right away. Maybe I'll wait for a month or two.

No harm in giving time to let the initial bugs get worked through and detected, not to mention to plan a smooth migration. Gives you time to prepare your hard drive, back things up and to test the 14.04 via Live USB to make sure everything works before "pulling the trigger". Dont' foget to keep contingency plans in case the upgrade goes horribly wrong!

I'm in a similar boat. I'm excited to try 14.04 out but am not going to jump the shark on upgrading until I make sure I have my backup plan established.

I'm also looking at getting a larger hard drive, making it dual-boot with Windows and will probably clone the existing (12.04) onto it and run the upgrade so I have the old hard drive to fall back on if it doesn't work.


True Ubuntu with unity is not a good fit if you are running XP on a computer that's old enough for that XP was a new OS. Xubuntu however should be fine.

My IBM Thinkpad laptop cannot even handle Xubuntu. It isn't the desktop environment that is the issue, it is the kernel (PAE issue). So I have had to migrate those to other Linux distros but the family desktop is still running Ubuntu.

I just have to be careful upgrading, since the desktop is the family's primary computer system. When the kids do things on the computer, other than playing a couple of games, they prefer and choose to use Ubuntu even though it would be just as easy for them to use the Windows box connected to the KVM switch.

forrestcupp
April 17th, 2014, 07:19 PM
I really hate to say it, but I'm starting to think their lack of commitment to pushing their desktop OS is making them less of a viable option for the desktop market. If you're going to release a new version, then promote it, darn it, especially if it's an LTS. Otherwise, I'm going to think you don't care anymore, and I'm going to go with someone who does.

Dragonbite
April 17th, 2014, 07:25 PM
I really hate to say it, but I'm starting to think their lack of commitment to pushing their desktop OS is making them less of a viable option for the desktop market. If you're going to release a new version, then promote it, darn it, especially if it's an LTS. Otherwise, I'm going to think you don't care anymore, and I'm going to go with someone who does.

I am starting to understand why Fedora is saying "Linux isn't sexy anymore" as part of the reason for them to re-invent themselves (Fedora.next). Their thinking looks promising.

Hylas de Niall
April 17th, 2014, 07:38 PM
Speaking of not being able to find stuff: ....is there a BIG '(what was) DVD' iso available anywhere? Like they have with 12.04 - with Gimp and all the extra stuff?

Cheers!

MoebusNet
April 17th, 2014, 10:35 PM
Hype requires money. The type of hype that Apple, Samsung and virtually all major companies attempt to produce before product release costs millions and millions of dollars. Canonical is already struggling to make a profit so I dont know where that kind of money would come from. Maybe you can lend them some? ):P

Is there anything in 14.04 to be hyped about? To me, it seems like its shooting for stability and tweaks in Unity. I think it would be a challenge for any company to get Apple level hype about window resizing ability and locally integrated menus...

Maybe this is a case of under-promise and over-deliver? That would be a welcome change for the tech world! ;)

Frogs Hair
April 18th, 2014, 12:56 AM
12.04 - with Gimp and all the extra stuff?

Gimp was removed as a default application in 10.04 making 9.10 the last release to include it.

pqwoerituytrueiwoq
April 18th, 2014, 02:22 AM
Gimp was removed as a default application in 10.04 making 9.10 the last release to include it.
GIMP is currently included in xubuntu

su:bhatta
April 18th, 2014, 03:13 AM
Speaking of not being able to find stuff: ....is there a BIG '(what was) DVD' iso available anywhere? Like they have with 12.04 - with Gimp and all the extra stuff?

Cheers!

You can always download the Ubuntu Studio.Nearly 2.5 Gigs ISO.
It has the Gimp, Blender, Darktable and a whole lot of Audio, Video, Graphic design, Publishing & Photography softwares by default.
Comes with XFCE DE BTW.

If you dont like to add the plethora of Audio programs, at the installation screen just unselect Audio & audio addons and you are good to go.
It will by default run the Low-latency kernel.

Copper Bezel
April 18th, 2014, 06:39 PM
Any new Unity features in Trusty?

If the focus is bug fixes and rolling packages forward, that's cool (and appropriate for an LTS.) Just curious if there's anything in particular to be psyched about. I love 13.10, and if 14.04 is just that with five years of support, I'm cool with it, even if that's not exactly exciting. But I also kinda want to play with Gnome 3.12 stuff, even though I like Unity much more, because, you know, new.

Petro Dawg
April 18th, 2014, 06:46 PM
Any new Unity features in Trusty?

If the focus is bug fixes and rolling packages forward, that's cool (and appropriate for an LTS.) Just curious if there's anything in particular to be psyched about. I love 13.10, and if 14.04 is just that with five years of support, I'm cool with it, even if that's not exactly exciting. But I also kinda want to play with Gnome 3.12 stuff, even though I like Unity much more, because, you know, new.

I think there is a new option to place window menus on the top of the window being used instead of sharing space on the top bar all the time. Since I haven't used the distros between 12.04 and 14.04 I'm not sure which of the changes I've seen actually occurred in this version. I haven't noticed a whole lot, except for minor changes to menus and commercialism via Amazon (which is perfectly fine with me if that's how they need to get funding for development). I assume most of the changes have been "under the hood" to improve performance and stability.

EDIT:
I did come across this covering the "exciting" new changes... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/7-ubuntu-14-04-lts-improvements-youll-love

whatthefunk
April 18th, 2014, 11:39 PM
But I also kinda want to play with Gnome 3.12 stuff, even though I like Unity much more, because, you know, new.

Unity 7 has been around since 13.04 making it a full year older than Gnome 3.12...

Hylas de Niall
April 19th, 2014, 09:59 AM
Gimp was removed as a default application in 10.04 making 9.10 the last release to include it.


Yes i'm aware of that, but there used to be another larger iso available that included it and a lot of other apps (12.04 had one - i downloaded it from the Ubu website), I think it also had all the language packs.

I just wondered if this LTS does as well.

:)

Copper Bezel
April 19th, 2014, 04:01 PM
Unity 7 has been around since 13.04 making it a full year older than Gnome 3.12...
I'm not sure how meaningful it is to talk about version numbers - particularly when Unity 8 is being developed side-by-side with minor updates and tweaks to 7. But I'm using 13.10 now, so yeah, I know what Unity 7 looks like. =) Gnome 3.12 is little iterative changes, too, but some features look really nifty. It's not on the level I'd really want to have for daily use, though - Unity is still more featureful. So what I'm really saying is that I'll have to go play with Gnome for a bit to get my "new stuff" fix, then come back and use Trusty with Unity.

Edit: Petro Dawg, thanks for the link. Is it bad that I actually am kinda psyched for antialiased window corners? (It's been a long time since Emerald.)

sudodus
April 19th, 2014, 04:23 PM
Yes i'm aware of that, but there used to be another larger iso available that included it and a lot of other apps (12.04 had one - i downloaded it from the Ubu website), I think it also had all the language packs.

I just wondered if this LTS does as well.

:)

This German web site to be each to navigate to find various versions and flavours of Ubuntu (and you can also see the sizes)

http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/

Hexxus
April 19th, 2014, 06:18 PM
So far, I'm running it and I like it a lot!

Really sucks to hear about Ubuntu One integration being removed (and I did read the stories and posted there... or so I think I did) but I really liked it. So far the speed difference is
the same, and each LTS release, it gets a bit more polished! :)

Copper Bezel
April 19th, 2014, 06:52 PM
It's not all of Ubuntu One, is it? Just the file syncing? The "single log-on" service is still a part of the system. It surprises me that they're canning the music store, though. = / I've switched entirely over to Google Play music, but it's still really too bad the system doesn't have a built-in music store like every other operating system ever.

The syncing was always terrible, much slower and much more poorly integrated into the OS and file manager than Dropbox is with a tendency to create duplicate files all willy-nilly, so I'm glad to see it go; it was bringing down the overall quality of the product to include it in Ubuntu. And that's not mentioning the hideously skinned client app (made to look like the Windows app, I understand?) while Dropbox just follows native toolkits on every system....

craig10x
April 19th, 2014, 07:04 PM
Is there any posted schedule for the point releases for 14.04 as of yet? I was just curious ;)
Did a clean install the other day, and it's running superbly...

Hexxus
April 19th, 2014, 09:12 PM
It's not all of Ubuntu One, is it? Just the file syncing? The "single log-on" service is still a part of the system. It surprises me that they're canning the music store, though. = / I've switched entirely over to Google Play music, but it's still really too bad the system doesn't have a built-in music store like every other operating system ever.

The syncing was always terrible, much slower and much more poorly integrated into the OS and file manager than Dropbox is with a tendency to create duplicate files all willy-nilly, so I'm glad to see it go; it was bringing down the overall quality of the product to include it in Ubuntu. And that's not mentioning the hideously skinned client app (made to look like the Windows app, I understand?) while Dropbox just follows native toolkits on every system....

Yeah the SSO part was retained and I think a little bit of the back-end for future projects. I also recall something about once Ubuntu One is completely gone they will release their coding for it?

I had pretty good experiences with it and I hope that they bring it back. I really liked it because it worked on everything that I have and I honestly do not trust Microsoft or Google with my data. Drop-box I used when it was a beta and see that it has now really grown but I still prefer the synergy that Ubuntu One offered. Also I did use their music store and liked it as well.

Hexxus
April 19th, 2014, 09:14 PM
Is there any posted schedule for the point releases for 14.04 as of yet? I was just curious ;)
Did a clean install the other day, and it's running superbly...

Not that I am aware of... I've just searched for stuff like that. I know that there is a "generic" image suggesting timelines that I found once but I don't think that it was accurate.

deadflowr
April 19th, 2014, 09:55 PM
Is there any posted schedule for the point releases for 14.04 as of yet? I was just curious ;)
Did a clean install the other day, and it's running superbly...

As of now, they have the schedule for 14.04.1 as July 24.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule

But based upon the last LTS, the next point release should be sometime during the smack dab middle of the next release after 14.10 comes out.
So 14.04.2 will probably come out sometime between December and February.
and the rest following that same pattern.

Everything is subject to change, of course.
The succeeding point releases beyond 14.04.1, need extra testing, above simple bug-fixings.
Since they get the upgraded kernel and X stacks.

If I remember 12.04.2 was delayed a little because of one of those (kernel or X) having issues.

craig10x
April 19th, 2014, 11:07 PM
Thanks deadflowr and congratulations on becoming a forum moderator :D
Must be a blue moon tonight (i think you get my reference) LOL

Copper Bezel
April 19th, 2014, 11:53 PM
I had pretty good experiences with it and I hope that they bring it back. I really liked it because it worked on everything that I have and I honestly do not trust Microsoft or Google with my data. Drop-box I used when it was a beta and see that it has now really grown but I still prefer the synergy that Ubuntu One offered. Also I did use their music store and liked it as well.
Out of curiosity, what synergy did it provide that Dropbox didn't? Dropbox runs on everything, too. The ability to sync between Ubuntu and Android (or rather, sync to the cloud and access and edit from Android as if it's local) is the whole gimmick for me. Plus, Dropbox monitors changes as they happen - finding out that Ubuntu One doesn't, but just periodically pushes updates, really killed U1 for me. If I can't be sure that I'm looking at the most recent version of the file, I can't really make any use of it.

I'd put up with even the random duplicate files over that - although seeing it recopy my Tomboy notes exponentially with each update was just about depressing.

That's just trying to shoehorn it into use cases that I'd already established in habits formed around using Dropbox, though. What was awesome about U1 when used properly?

deadflowr
April 20th, 2014, 12:52 AM
Dropbox monitors changes as they happen - finding out that Ubuntu One doesn't, but just periodically pushes updates

Probably why there were so many sync errors/fails with U1.

Frogs Hair
April 20th, 2014, 12:53 AM
GIMP is currently included in xubuntu

I was referring to the standard Ubuntu release.



http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/gimp-to-be-removed-lucid-f-spot-has-challengers

forrestcupp
April 21st, 2014, 12:53 PM
I am starting to understand why Fedora is saying "Linux isn't sexy anymore" as part of the reason for them to re-invent themselves (Fedora.next). Their thinking looks promising.Interesting. It's cool that you can go to fedoraproject.org and it's still all about desktop Linux. It's sad that we're even talking about this nowadays.


Gimp was removed as a default application in 10.04 making 9.10 the last release to include it.
It's hard to believe it was that long ago that we were complaining about that.

Dragonbite
April 21st, 2014, 01:32 PM
Interesting. It's cool that you can go to fedoraproject.org and it's still all about desktop Linux. It's sad that we're even talking about this nowadays.

Fedora will be interesting to see what they do as it appears they are trying to re-arrange themselves some, into three focuses; workstation (desktop), server and cloud. Be interesting to see if anything that comes out of it could benefit Ubuntu. Only time will tell, of course.



Out of curiosity, what synergy did it provide that Dropbox didn't?

I think that it could synchronize your folders (Documents, Music, Pictures, etc.) without you having to create symlinks. So the folders are where the programs expect them, and they are saved to UbuntuOne automatically.

Dropbox puts everything in a ~/Dropbox folder and you have to symlink to get something from your Documents directory to automatically go into ~/Dropbox/Documents. I don't know if Dropbox can follow symlinks. I know with Copy I can symlink my ~/Copy/Documents to my ~/Documents folder and the contents are getting uploaded as if they were in the ~/Copy/Documents directory.

forrestcupp
April 21st, 2014, 02:13 PM
Fedora will be interesting to see what they do as it appears they are trying to re-arrange themselves some, into three focuses; workstation (desktop), server and cloud. Be interesting to see if anything that comes out of it could benefit Ubuntu. Only time will tell, of course.I actually don't have much problem with anything Canonical is doing, other than that they need to work their web sites out better. I'm nobody, but in my opinion, Ubuntu needs its own web site dedicated to the OS, and all of Canonical's various projects should be linked to from the Canonical web site, instead of the Ubuntu web site. I understand why they're doing what they're doing, though, because everyone knows the name "Ubuntu," but they don't know the name "Canonical." Maybe the answer is to keep things how they are, but create a separate complete web site dedicated to the Ubuntu OS that is linked to from ubuntu.com. Maybe call it ubuntuos.org or something.



I think that it could synchronize your folders (Documents, Music, Pictures, etc.) without you having to create symlinks. So the folders are where the programs expect them, and they are saved to UbuntuOne automatically.

Dropbox puts everything in a ~/Dropbox folder and you have to symlink to get something from your Documents directory to automatically go into ~/Dropbox/Documents. I don't know if Dropbox can follow symlinks. I know with Copy I can symlink my ~/Copy/Documents to my ~/Documents folder and the contents are getting uploaded as if they were in the ~/Copy/Documents directory.No matter what you're using, you should be able to make your Documents, Music, etc., folders be symlinks to whatever folders are being synced. That way it would redirect you to the synced folders without you even knowing. I used to symlink to my Windows Documents, Music folders. It's definitely more of a hassle than Ubuntu One just being set up that way, though.

Dragonbite
April 21st, 2014, 03:12 PM
No matter what you're using, you should be able to make your Documents, Music, etc., folders be symlinks to whatever folders are being synced. That way it would redirect you to the synced folders without you even knowing. I used to symlink to my Windows Documents, Music folders. It's definitely more of a hassle than Ubuntu One just being set up that way, though.

I just set up my Copy folder that way, but didn't know if all of the file sync programs allowed that or not.

It seems that OMG! Ubuntu (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/) is doing a better job for promoting Ubuntu lately. If it weren't for them, the number of links/feeds that talk about Ubuntu would be significantly reduced.

For a while it seems that Ubuntu has been staking out on their own with some technologies, forcing them to manage all aspects of it, which unfortunately may strain the resources between desktop, server and mobile. I hope they don't stretch too far.

forrestcupp
April 22nd, 2014, 01:15 AM
I just set up my Copy folder that way, but didn't know if all of the file sync programs allowed that or not.

It seems that OMG! Ubuntu (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/) is doing a better job for promoting Ubuntu lately. If it weren't for them, the number of links/feeds that talk about Ubuntu would be significantly reduced.

For a while it seems that Ubuntu has been staking out on their own with some technologies, forcing them to manage all aspects of it, which unfortunately may strain the resources between desktop, server and mobile. I hope they don't stretch too far.

That's crazy. That puts the official ubuntu.com to shame.

mekon2
April 22nd, 2014, 01:26 PM
That's crazy. That puts the official ubuntu.com to shame.

It does indeed. I instantly found the information about upgrading from 12.04 LTS I have been after for a few days.

Copper Bezel
April 23rd, 2014, 04:24 AM
Also the best rundown of new features. I guess it's overtaken WebUpD8 by quite a bit in recent months, huh?

Hylas de Niall
April 23rd, 2014, 10:01 PM
This German web site to be each to navigate to find various versions and flavours of Ubuntu (and you can also see the sizes)

http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/

Yep. Very odd.

I can't find it there or on the main Ubuntu pages, but i definitely had one once - may have been a later point release than those i've checked - but it was certainly an oversized 12.04 image with all the suff i needed already included (except maybe for Inkscape).

Am i really the only one who remembers this? Really?

whatthefunk
April 24th, 2014, 01:08 AM
Yep. Very odd.

I can't find it there or on the main Ubuntu pages, but i definitely had one once - may have been a later point release than those i've checked - but it was certainly an oversized 12.04 image with all the suff i needed already included (except maybe for Inkscape).

Am i really the only one who remembers this? Really?

http://releases.ubuntu.com/

Dont know how you get there, but it is there. I dont think Canonical wants the flavors on their homepage. They are a company trying to make money with Ubuntu. Why advertise other products on your site that confuse new comers and take away your revenue stream?

sudodus
April 24th, 2014, 05:59 AM
Yep. Very odd.

I can't find it there or on the main Ubuntu pages, but i definitely had one once - may have been a later point release than those i've checked - but it was certainly an oversized 12.04 image with all the suff i needed already included (except maybe for Inkscape).

Am i really the only one who remembers this? Really?

I don't know, maybe it was a community re-mix with a lot of extra packages included.

help_me2
April 24th, 2014, 06:14 AM
Where's the hype? I didn't know there was supposed to be any. People don't care any more what OS it is, as long as it just works. Android is proof of that. I'm still a fan of linux, and 14.04, but the "OS wars" aren't what they used to be. Especially since things have gone mobile. iLife and Android are tops, no question.

Dragonbite
April 24th, 2014, 01:55 PM
Where's the hype? I didn't know there was supposed to be any. People don't care any more what OS it is, as long as it just works. Android is proof of that. I'm still a fan of linux, and 14.04, but the "OS wars" aren't what they used to be. Especially since things have gone mobile. iLife and Android are tops, no question.

Why Hype? Because Hype is marketing and marketing is essential for business.

Canonical (or is it Ubuntu) is moving into mobile but it is also caught in a catch-22 with needing enough interest to get a major phone manufacturer and service provider, and it needs a major phone manufacturer and service provider to garner enough interest.

Linux has gained some ground with the
End of Windows XP support
Hesitation to adopt Windows 8
Tablets and mobile devices taking the place of traditional desktop (and laptop) comptuters for consumers thereby introducing consumers to "alternatives" and helping to break them out of the PC==Windows thinking that still dominates
Linux is getting better and better for the consumer to easily install and use
Average consumer is becoming more heavy-tech-users and overall more tech-savvy
but they risk "missing the boat" if they don't grab the attention of people who have been stuck in the non-Linux environments who may be just popping up their heads to see what the alternatives are. If they don't see anything, they put their heads back down and use what they have always used not necessarily because they want to.

Would Android be where it is if it did not "hype" and "market" the Android product? Even with Google's vast riches, without interest (usually garnered by marketing) the Android would be a dead deal by now.

Of course they could try this means of marketing. It IS for a company that makes billions of dollars each year (so maybe they know what they are doing?) ...

http://youtu.be/tGvHNNOLnCk

Hylas de Niall
April 25th, 2014, 07:39 AM
http://releases.ubuntu.com/

Dont know how you get there, but it is there. I dont think Canonical wants the flavors on their homepage. They are a company trying to make money with Ubuntu. Why advertise other products on your site that confuse new comers and take away your revenue stream?

I found it!

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/12.04.4/release/

It's toward the bottom of the list - a 1.6gig iso

:)

Hylas de Niall
April 25th, 2014, 07:47 AM
Of course they could try this means of marketing. It IS for a company that makes billions of dollars each year (so maybe they know what they are doing?) ...

http://youtu.be/tGvHNNOLnCk

That's the guy that bet the farm on Windows 8 isn't it? ...and then got sacked/resigned when it all went pear shaped?

(Just playing!)

sudodus
April 25th, 2014, 07:50 AM
I found it!

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/12.04.4/release/

It's toward the bottom of the list - a 1.6gig iso

:)

You are right, and it seems official.

Who made this Ubuntu DVD version?
Why is this Ubuntu DVD version uploaded to only a few mirrors?

Can you find any document about it?

Hylas de Niall
April 25th, 2014, 08:18 AM
You are right, and it seems official.

Who made this Ubuntu DVD version?
Why is this Ubuntu DVD version uploaded to only a few mirrors?

Can you find any document about it?

No idea who made it or why it is only on a few mirrors, and i haven't so far found any documentation about it.
What i do know is that some UK magazines* have put the 'DVD' (ie this sized version) on cover disks.

*i don't recall which, but maybe Linux Format