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oygle
February 26th, 2014, 08:04 AM
Installed 13.10 and it has Unity, and there are a few problems ..

1. I usually add kubuntu-desktop. How do I do this ?
2. There is no shell acess, how to I run konsole ?
3. How do you run software updates
4. An external drive that mounted okay with 12.04 now is 'unmountable'

As long as I can get to shell and be runing Kubuntu, I'm sure the problems can be solved.

(I do have all these instructions in a file, but that file is on the 'unmountable' drive)

deadflowr
February 26th, 2014, 08:18 AM
How did you do number 1 before?
That should still be the same.

konsole is kde's name for their terminal.
unity uses gnome-terminal, or more simply terminal.
Unity isn't kde, so it wouldn't have anything called konsole.

For updating:
Click on the icon at the top of the left side bar and type "update" and then enter
the software updater should start up.
(It may take a minute, it'll be running a refresh of the repositories)

And,
No clue on why your disk is unmountable.

oygle
February 26th, 2014, 08:39 AM
Thanks for your help. I was able to get konsole installed, and from shell install kubuntu-desktop. Installed also muon, so now software updates are downloading . The 13.10 install didn't prompt for a software update. Now, all I need is how to find the UUID of a drive that won't mount.

sudodus
February 26th, 2014, 11:06 AM
Why do you install Ubuntu with Unity, and then kubuntu-desktop? You can download and install Kubuntu and get its desktop environment (KDE) directly. Installing Ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop, you will also get a lot of doublets (programs, that do the same or almost the same thing, one from each of the desktop environments). Or is this what you want? Or some other reason?

-o-

I think it is better to keep the drive mounting issue in its own thread (unless this is a new problem)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2206856

buzzingrobot
February 26th, 2014, 03:00 PM
Thanks for your help. I was able to get konsole installed, and from shell install kubuntu-desktop. Installed also muon, so now software updates are downloading . The 13.10 install didn't prompt for a software update. Now, all I need is how to find the UUID of a drive that won't mount.

The terminal in Unity (tap Super key, start typing "t-e-r-m...") does exactly the same things as Konsole, the KDE terminal. Other than style and cosmetic changes, all terminals do the same thing: collect a command from a user, pass it on to the shell (usually Bash in Linux), and display the results. There was no need to install Konsole simply to run a shell command. (And Konsole surely brought in a bunch of KDE dependencies, I suspect. Ditto Muon.)

A "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade" would have run the updates successfully.

The drive problem is for another thread, but "sudo blkid"will list UUID's of all atached drives, mounted or not. A look at the contents of /etc/fstab is probably in order, too. (Be careful if you edit it because errors will likely keep the machine from booting. Fstab tells the system where the disks are.)

oygle
February 26th, 2014, 11:12 PM
Why do you install Ubuntu with Unity, and then kubuntu-desktop? You can download and install Kubuntu and get its desktop environment (KDE) directly. Installing Ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop, you will also get a lot of doublets (programs, that do the same or almost the same thing, one from each of the desktop environments). Or is this what you want? Or some other reason?


After using Ubuntu for a number of years, it simply didn't occur to me to download the Kubuntu desktop. But will do so in the future. Any quick method to get rid of those doublets please ?

Yes, I will keep the drive mounting issues in the other thread. I must say that 13.10 is handing the mounting of drives better than 12.04


The terminal in Unity (tap Super key, start typing "t-e-r-m...") does exactly the same things as Konsole, the KDE terminal.

I'm not used to navigating with Unity. Which key is the "Super" key in Unity. I have a display problem; have posted a thread in the Desktop forum - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2208160

Thanks

oygle
February 27th, 2014, 01:25 AM
I worked out the "Super" key, just click on the Ubuntu logo, top left corner

sudodus
February 27th, 2014, 07:36 AM
After using Ubuntu for a number of years, it simply didn't occur to me to download the Kubuntu desktop. But will do so in the future. Any quick method to get rid of those doublets please ?

I don't think there is a quick method, that is also reliable, at least not for 13.10. For older versions you might try the following link (but backup your system before)

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/

oygle
February 27th, 2014, 07:57 AM
Thanks, I had a quick look at Psychocats, very interesting. With Kubuntu 13.10 and Ubuntu 13.10, would it be a matter of listing the packages in each and then comparing ? Or, not that simple ? I assume dependencies will play a bit part. Hmm, maybe I could install a fresh 13.10 Kubuntu on another computer, then use Muon on each to list packages ??

sudodus
February 27th, 2014, 08:08 AM
Yes, listing the packages in each and then comparing should work. Dependencies should be managed automatically (so that libraries, that are necessary for some other package will stay).

buzzingrobot
February 27th, 2014, 02:22 PM
The Super key is the Windows key.

Since you want to run Kubuntu, and your current installation seems unhealthy, why not visit the Kubuntu site, get an install image, and install Kubuntu?

Removing non-KDE packages from your current system is very likely going to be problematic at some point. If you are not *very* careful, you can remove essential core components due to dependency links.

deadflowr
February 27th, 2014, 07:10 PM
The Super key is the Windows key.

Since you want to run Kubuntu, and your current installation seems unhealthy, why not visit the Kubuntu site, get an install image, and install Kubuntu?

Removing non-KDE packages from your current system is very likely going to be problematic at some point. If you are not *very* careful, you can remove essential core components due to dependency links.

+1

If you prefer Kubuntu then install Kubuntu. Why clutter your system with Ubuntu and all of it's unity-i-ness.

oygle
February 28th, 2014, 07:38 AM
Yes, listing the packages in each and then comparing should work. Dependencies should be managed automatically (so that libraries, that are necessary for some other package will stay).

I remembered that the spare computer I have is 32 bit and this one is 64 bit, so the package names will be different I think. :(


The Super key is the Windows key.

Thanks, I see it now. Not being a Windows user, I have never used that key. :)



Since you want to run Kubuntu, and your current installation seems unhealthy, why not visit the Kubuntu site, get an install image, and install Kubuntu?

Removing non-KDE packages from your current system is very likely going to be problematic at some point. If you are not *very* careful, you can remove essential core components due to dependency links.

Yes, I'd agree that the current situation is not good. The desktop under Kubuntu allows me to do nothing at all, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2208160
Good idea about loading Kubuntu iso image.


+1
If you prefer Kubuntu then install Kubuntu. Why clutter your system with Ubuntu and all of it's unity-i-ness.

I will seriously consider that. Need a few days to recover from this 13.10 fresh install. Quite a few things didn't work, but as usual, the support on the forums is very good.

Thanks everyone. :D

sudodus
February 28th, 2014, 07:50 AM
I remembered that the spare computer I have is 32 bit and this one is 64 bit, so the package names will be different I think. :(


1. You can run 32-bit systems on both computers if you wish, but if you want to use 4 GB RAM or more, it is more efficient with a 64-bit system.

2. I think most packages have the same name (at least the first part of them, that you use for identification) although they are compiled for different architecture. Many script files (that are use as is, not compiled) might be the same.

*. But anyway, I support the suggestion to reinstall directly into Kubuntu from a Kubuntu iso file.

oygle
February 28th, 2014, 10:49 AM
But anyway, I support the suggestion to reinstall directly into Kubuntu from a Kubuntu iso file.

Is this - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/saucy/release/ , where I download the ISO please ?

I'm trying to get the ISO added to an Australian mirror, so that when I download it, it won't count towards my bandwidth usage.

sudodus
February 28th, 2014, 11:12 AM
Is this - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/saucy/release/ , where I download the ISO please ?

I'm trying to get the ISO added to an Australian mirror, so that when I download it, it won't count towards my bandwidth usage.

I think so. If you are in doubt, check with the md5sum at this link

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes

and there is also this link

http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download

with a few mirrors (but I did not see Australia).

What about torrent: Does it count towards your bandwidth usage?

oygle
February 28th, 2014, 11:23 AM
Thanks for those links. Yes, I think torrent still counts towards bandwidth. I have asked the Aarnet Mirror (http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/) to add Kubuntu, as my ISP says ..


BigPond has unmetered AARNet Mirror

Most BigPond Broadband customers can now use this mirror
and download content from http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/
and this will not count towards your monthly usage limit.