All my favorite Linux desktop readiness threads...

[aysiu]

Recently, Stormy Eyes started a thread about being tired of the "if only Linux had X feature or killer app, then there'd be a mass migration" threads (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=216443)

I, too, am getting tired. You'll often hear tired old forum members like Stormy and me complaining that arguments about Linux desktop marketshare, desktop readiness, desktop migration, etc. have taken place thousands of times. Well, it may not number into the thousands yet, but it has happened a lot. Here are some threads you might want to read if you don't believe me.

Some threads started out innocently and got hijacked by argumentative individuals. Others were clearly flamebait from the first post. Next time I see one of these threads, I'll post a link to this thread (the one you're reading) and then add it to my list.

Anatomy of a well-intentioned Linux Troll (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58017)
For Ubuntu Lovers, what is PREVENTING you from deleting your Windows Partition? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=71976)
Future of Microsoft? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179699)
In your opinion is Ubuntu a serious rival for OSX and the upcoming Windows Vista? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89166)
In your opinion what is the biggest setback that is preventing Linux to widespread? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=88023)
Is Linux REALLY More Secure Than Windows? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59429)
Is Microsoft Windows ready for the desktop? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53286)
Linux not ready for the desktop thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1679955)
My wife wants windows back (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159922)
Reasons to leave Linux (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=229717)
Reasons why I aint using ubuntu on my personal desktop... (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=891)
Simple things Windows users can't do (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=244340)
The Future of Linux ( How A Windows Zealot changed) (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190244)
This man obviously hasn't seen Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9844)
What do non geeks want? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=199744)
Which Operating System Is Best? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=200436)
Who Says "Windows" is better Than "Linux" ?? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=226282)
Why is everyone so anti-Microsoft? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65863)
Why is your operating system better? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=135891)
Why Windows Sucks (a rant) (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136717)
Wired article: Is Ubuntu for you? (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246360)

[PingunZ]

Nice, Aysiu
You're the Forum-Hero :p

Grtz PingunZ

[Brunellus]

don't be a menace to ubuntu while drinking ur juice n da hood.

Great work aysiu.

EDIT: my sig's "don't be a menace" link now points to this thread.

[Iandefor]

Welcome to my signature :).

Excellent little index of threads, aysiu.

[matthew]

matthew reads the thread... *subscribed*

I may need to modify my sig to have one link to a page with "Great Ubuntu threads by Aysiu"

[Derek Djons]

Terrific aysiu. This is a thread I'll be monitoring for some time. Also it deserves a place in quite some signatures! By total coincidence I've also posted the same subject related post on my own blog. I did it because I'm experiencing 'yet again' a lot of flame and total nonsense post about Linux vs. Windows and what not!

Who ever is interested can read my 2 cents here (http://absolutebeginner.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/dont-even-start-about-microsoft/)

[aysiu]

Derek Djons, what a coincidence indeed! Don't get me started, either...

[nalmeth]

Nice collection. Now I suppose people will link to this thread everytime a new one comes up.

As for me, I will just do what I always did before, ignore them.

Though, it's cool to see how they rack up like that.

Thanks aysiu!

[John.Michael.Kane]

At the veryleast those threads should be locked. this way you can prevent those who seek re-start flames from doing so. also this thread will need to be watch for there will be those who will post not ready this not ready that stuff in here too.

aysiu pretty good list of what not to do in them links when someones trying to make a point.

[Derek Djons]

At the veryleast those threads should be locked. this way you can prevent those who seek re-start flames from doing so. also this thread will need to be watch for there will be those who will post not ready this not ready that stuff in here too.

aysiu pretty good list of what not to do in them links when someones trying to make a point.

It would be a shame if this thread will be moved because of heat-seekers. So I hope if they post nobody reacts or the moderator / administrator removes the concerning post.

But to get back a bit more on-topic and still reply to SD-Plissken's post.
Unfortunately I think this has to do with either the age of people or there lack of knowledge. Both are in my opinion the cause of the returning flame threads and posts.

[John.Michael.Kane]

It would be a shame if this thread will be moved because of heat-seekers. So I hope if they post nobody reacts or the moderator / administrator removes the concerning post.

But to get back a bit more on-topic and still reply to SD-Plissken's post.
Unfortunately I think this has to do with either the age of people or there lack of knowledge. Both are in my opinion the cause of the returning flame threads and posts.

While you may have something with the knowledge part. age on the other hand is another story. you can very well have a fifty-five year old troll spreading fud etc. so there can't be to much put into age. I do hope this thread will stay flame-free.


sorry for slight offtopic statements

[matthew]

Okay, it's official. Aysiu made it into my sig yet again. (EDIT: the link titled "linux isn't ready for the desktop")

[GStubbs43]

Seriously aysiu, How the heck do you find the time to type and link all of that? You tend to do it a lot.... maybe I just wouldn't have the paitence to do it. ;) :p

[aysiu]

Seriously aysiu, How the heck do you find the time to type and link all of that? You tend to do it a lot.... maybe I just wouldn't have the paitence to do it. ;) :p
Well, it's common knowledge that I have Ubuntu elves who help me.

Santa Claus and I don't have any elves to spare, unfortunately...

[RAV TUX]

Well, it's common knowledge that I have Ubuntu elves who help me.

Santa Claus and I don't have any elves to spare, unfortunately...

aysiu, quite interesting thread of threads, simply awesome!

(btw I always thought they were Mepis elves, and Santa Claus is really Warren Woodford.)
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/4299/muttleyip1.gif

[codypumper]

I salute to you aysiu. We should have a jail called the "window" for threads like these...

[AllenGG]

TO: aysiu (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=21941) http://www.ubuntuforums.org/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif please post this thread evrywhere, yes !!
Gr-r-r-reat !8-)=D>

[Johnsie]

Freedom... I think people should be free to post what they want. I also think it's a bad idea to silence or censor new users. Questions which come up reptitively only come up because they are real issues that Ubuntu faces. If Ubuntu users want these questions to stop then the best idea is listen and to help resolve them in the best way possible.

Linux will not get better if the Linux community doesn't listen to the end User (even if it is repetitive)

[prizrak]

Freedom... I think people should be free to post what they want. I also think it's a bad idea to silence or censor new users. Questions which come up reptitively only come up because they are real issues that Ubuntu faces. If Ubuntu users want these questions to stop then the best idea is listen and to help resolve them in the best way possible.

Linux will not get better if the Linux community doesn't listen to the end User (even if it is repetitive)
1) No one is censoring anyone here, as long as it is within the guidelines it won't be removed.

2) Those questions have been addressed time and time again. A vast majority of them is either lack of information (I have personally seen more than a few threads where the OP's rant gets a reply that takes care of the specific issue she/he was having) or the problem lies somewhere other than Linux.

a) Linux is difficult to install - duh, so is Windows, it's a complete OS they are not meant to be installed by an inexperienced user. Having said that it takes me under 2 hours to do a fresh Ubuntu install it takes me 2 days for Windows (probably about 8 hours of actual install time).

b) Linux doesn't support $HARDWARE - neither does Windows, but you still use it. Hardware is supported by the manufacturer not the OS. In fact Linux tends to support a much larger variety of hardware straight out of the box. Don't bitch at Linux bitch that the hardware vendor. Or better yet vote with your wallet, find out what is supported and buy that don't buy from those who don't support Linux. Hell you even got a LiveCD that you can install from just so you can make sure everything is working right BEFORE it is installed.

c) Linux sux because you HAVE TO use the CLI - umm no you don't, sure the vast majority of guides/how-to's out there are for CLI directions that doesn't mean that it is impossible to do via GUI it's just easier to post CLI directions. Not to mention that the CLI tends to be fairly generic and GUI's vary quite abit. Even in Ubuntu we got GNOME, KDE and XFCE and those are just the official ones.

There are some other arguments but very few are actually valid. The cold hard facts are that unless Linux is installed on the next Dell, HP, Sony, Toshiba, Acer that you pick up, with all the multimedia codecs, DVD Player, flash and some "niceties" that companies tend to put on your Windows machines you will not see the so-called J6P using it.

Very few products win because of how good they are, they win because of other factors. Windows is probably the worst (overall) OS out there on the market from a technological point of view (OS X proponents might argue that it also lacks in ease of use/intuitiveness) yet it has a 90%+ market share.

[Brunellus]

Freedom... I think people should be free to post what they want. I also think it's a bad idea to silence or censor new users. Questions which come up reptitively only come up because they are real issues that Ubuntu faces. If Ubuntu users want these questions to stop then the best idea is listen and to help resolve them in the best way possible.

Linux will not get better if the Linux community doesn't listen to the end User (even if it is repetitive)
This metathread is a clearinghouse of all the 'ubuntu sux' threads. Within each one are all the usual recitations and refutations. prizrak covered them all above.

Many--most!--of the active members of the forums are actually quite happy with desktop Linux. As far as we're concerned, it's "ready." And while we're also happy to support our favorite operating system, Ubuntu, GRATIS, we're human beings too. We get tired of reading the same misinformed ranting and whining all the time.

Thus this thread. Yes, there are known issues with running desktop Linux. There are definitely a few headaches. But this thread reminds us not so much of those as the fact that there already exist *solutions* to many of the problems whined about in the treads referenced here.

I'd venture to say that in most cases, new users are looking for *any* excuse to flee back to their former (preferred) user environment. The number of "$Feature is not implemented the same as in Windows!" complaints would seem to attest to that.

[aysiu]

Johnsie, why don't you actually read all the threads I took the time to link to?

And if you don't want to read them, what makes you think others do? I'm not censoring anything. If anything, I'm doing the opposite--I'm drawing attention to things that are annoying. And, as others have pointed out, all the arguments (usually misinformed) get refuted and addressed many, many times in those threads.

Just because someone posts something doesn't mean it's a legitimate gripe or worthwhile. Anyone with internet access can post whatever she wants.

If people genuinely want to make change, they'll follow the directions in this thread (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78741) instead of just whining. The only difference whining makes is the difference between not-annoyed fellow users and annoyed fellow users. I've never seen whining make Ubuntu better.

[Johnsie]

double post :-o

[Johnsie]

maybe you get annoyed too easily hehe :-p

Don't sweat the small stuff, life's too short to worry about such things :-)

I'm actually quite fascinated by some of the things that have been said in those threads. I'm glad there is little or no unnecessary cenorship and I'm glad that the moderators of the job do a really good job at preventing flaming.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread as I've had my say and that's all i wanted to do :-)

[kostkon]

Great list!! Thanks aysiu!!

[PapaWiskas]

aysiu I know you meant well with making this thread and all.

HOWEVER....I must inform you that you owe me a new mouse, I wore mine out clicking on all the threads and links you provided, and subsequent links therein....

I expect a new optical one, just like the one I "HAD" prior to finding your posting here, to arrive at my house no later than 10 days from me posting this.

Thank you sir and have a good day.

Oh....and thanks for creating this thread.

[aysiu]

PapaWiskas, I realize you're half-joking, but you may find the Tab Mix Plus extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1122/) in Firefox handy for saving you some clicks (see attached screenshot for details).

Glad you find the list useful.

[msak007]

Thans for this thread Aysiu. I admit I didn't read all the threads because, like everybody else, I'm sick of them and reading the same things over and over and over...but maybe threatening people with a list will make them stop :). This thread should be at the top of the forum page in one of those little green "important message" banners so you see it before anything else hehe. While you're at it, can you please create a "My favorite can't get wireless working" thread and make a list of all the offenders? :biggrin: j/k...I know wireless is a pain but it's still annoying seeing all the same threads over and over (when people don't utilize search). Anyway you're at the top of my sig now...right above the other link about searching first.

[Dinerty]

aysiu, I always enjoy reading your threads/posts you always have some wise words to say.

Most people seem to get really heated in these threads, but does make a intresting read seeing them all together :)

[aysiu]

aysiu, I always enjoy reading your threads/posts you always have some wise words to say.

Most people seem to get really heated in these threads, but does make a intresting read seeing them all together :)
Just trying to give a little perspective. Glad you found it worth taking a peek at.

[Anonii]

Recently, Stormy Eyes started a thread about being tired of the "if only Linux had X feature or killer app, then there'd be a mass migration" threads (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=216443)

I, too, am getting tired. You'll often hear tired old forum members like Stormy and me complaining that arguments about Linux desktop marketshare, desktop readiness, desktop migration, etc. have taken place thousands of times. Well, it may not number into the thousands yet, but it has happened a lot. Here are some threads you might want to read if you don't believe me.

Some threads started out innocently and got hijacked by argumentative individuals. Others were clearly flamebait from the first post. Next time I see one of these threads, I'll post a link to this thread (the one you're reading) and then add it to my list.


MANY emo threads



Possibly misunderstood this thread, but whats the point? Are you just collecting all the whiney, emo, "going back to windows" threads, or you hope that dissapointed from Ubuntu/Linux people will run to this thread to check the position of others in their subject? I really dont understand... Just because you and the other "old members" are bored of these threads , they must get archived and stopped? I mean... Lets just archive every "How do I install the <insert_name> application" and every other newbie or multi-asked subject just because some people are bored of these :/
I really think this is pointless. It seems to me more like of a flamewar attempt and not something that would actually help the forum.

(Finally, even for the short item I'm lurking in this forum, I completely recognise your efforts to help the Linux/Ubuntu community, but this is kinda... well.. non-sense?)

[aysiu]

Just because you and the other "old members" are bored of these threads , they must get archived and stopped? What makes you think they're archived and stopped?

[Anonii]

What makes you think they're archived and stopped?

Probably used the wrong word, but from the point you put every similar thread in here, and you continue to update this list, isnt that called an archive? :/

And whats the point of this topic, if its not to stop these threads? Are you doing it just for fun, like creating a Complain Museum?

[aysiu]

a place where public records or other historical documents are kept. Well, if you mean more of a "historical" thing (as in putting these things to rest), I would disagree. By linking to them, I'm actually doing quite the opposite--drawing attention to them. To truly put a thread to rest, you stop responding to it, and (if you have the power) lock it.

If you mean simply a place where these threads are kept... well, of course. The thread title alone should let you know that I'm collecting together threads.

I didn't say that I'm stopping these threads. I stated my reasons quite clearly:
You'll often hear tired old forum members like Stormy and me complaining that arguments about Linux desktop marketshare, desktop readiness, desktop migration, etc. have taken place thousands of times. Well, it may not number into the thousands yet, but it has happened a lot. Here are some threads you might want to read if you don't believe me. It just offers some evidence that these discussions have taken place many times before--nothing more, nothing less.

Ironically--while my thread is merely a collection of threads--your post, criticizing the perceived desire in my thread to stop other threads, is clearly intended to stop my thread!

If you espouse negativity and the desire to stop threads you oppose, then you should be embracing this thread, and if you are against censoring others or stopping them from expressing themselves, you should at least be leaving my thread alone.

[PapaWiskas]

Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...


Sorry aysiu, had to take a comedy break in there....keep doing your thing sir....I appreciate all your posts. And I am still waiting for my mouse, your 10 days has passed....

[Anonii]

Actually, I didnt have any intentions to stop this thread, my first sentence was:

Possibly misunderstood this thread, but whats the point?"=
and its clear, that I was wondering whats the point of this thread.

And yes, I was criticizing your desire to stop other threads, because IMO the threads you want to stop, are valuable, more valuable than the "What Linux still is missing" or "Windows VS Linux" primarily 'cause you get feedback from people who prefered the "other" side, Windows.


is clearly intended to stop my thread!

Actually, right now, yes. This thread has nothing more to offer than censorship. You can as well, continue to collect these threads, but I see no gaining from that. More threads will be created. This list will continue to grow, in a pointless waste of time thread. And I still wonder what is really better, to lock these threads or let the people who decide to leave/whine show us their problems which can be looked upon and fixed in the future?

Finally, even if your thread is a clear example of verbalism in a really casual discussion, you did seem to stick in that word, "archive".

[aysiu]

And I still wonder what is really better, to lock these threads or let the people who decide to leave/whine show us their problems which can be looked upon and fixed in the future? Who's locking them? You seem to be missing out on the fact that I have not locked those threads, nor do I have the power to do so.

In any case, you also seem to be under the impression that these whining/arguing threads about Windows v. Linux bring about positive change. Well, if you actually read all those threads I linked to, you'll see that they rarely do.

There have been only a handful of proper ways to improve Ubuntu, and none of them are creating threads that argue that Ubuntu isn't "ready for the desktop" because "I can't get my wireless card to work" or because "I don't know how to compile this piece of software."

My final word on the matter: What's better than whining on the forums? Making a difference (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78741)

If you want to keep lambasting my thread, I won't respond any more. This is pointless to argue about... just as are many of the discussions I linked to in the original post.

[prizrak]

and its clear, that I was wondering whats the point of this thread.

And yes, I was criticizing your desire to stop other threads, because IMO the threads you want to stop, are valuable, more valuable than the "What Linux still is missing" or "Windows VS Linux" primarily 'cause you get feedback from people who prefered the "other" side, Windows.

Then you missed the point. The point is that if someone wants to complain they might actually look at this thread and see that all of the arguments have been raised.

Complaining on the forums does nothing. This is not a dev forum it's a community forum. There are different channels if you want to be heard by the devs.

Also the challenge in front of Linux is not a technical one. It is already better than Windows. If you wouldn't argue that OS X is not ready for the desktop then why does it have the same market share as Linux? Also there is such a thing as personal experience. On my laptop Ubuntu works flawlessly only had to do minor tweaking for the tablet (takes less time than installing a driver in Windows), but if I had say a Broadcom WNIC I would have issues. Additionally you will not hear much from those of us who got everything working, it works we expect it to work, what is there to say?

[Sushi]

The very first link is my thread :oops: ... Well, it was a while ago, and I'm happy to report that things have progressed quite nicely since then :)

[aysiu]

The very first link is my thread :oops: ... Well, it was a while ago, and I'm happy to report that things have progressed quite nicely since then :)
That's great to hear. I think we all need to blow off a little steam sometimes.

[.t.]

It's sad that this list is so long. I'm just curious: did you start off with just a couple of links and add to it, or did you spend time searching? If so, I respect you for the time you spent trawling. If you didn't... well, I respect ya anyway!

[aysiu]

It's a little bit of both.

I spent some time tracking them all down (wasn't too hard to find them--just do searches for things like "Linux sucks"). I then added to them as I found more.

[chaosgeisterchen]

First-off: My English is rather bad so please be obliging concerning the whole lof of mistakes my posting might contain.

This should be some kind of testimonial. Not for Ubuntu. But for the author of this thread, aysiu.

I do not know you, but I think it's all fair if I say that I have never seen anyone like you before. Hundreds of thousands of people are trying to point out things but none of them are sucessful. In the contrary you hit the mark with your postings. The reader gets the impression of being directly adressed by your sympathic writing style which is not the smalles bit subjective (at least it seems very professional, objective and standing above all these arguments we are tired of) and really gets it. Right where it belongs.

You picked quite a lot of all those annoying topics which have already experienced several flamewars and treated them in a very competent way, even if you are not a technical specialist you are at least the utmost capable of spreading true and unbiased words. Unbiased is a very good word to talk about, as we are all biased in a way.

I can only talk for myself, trying for several years now to achieve a style which creates clarification, the impression of helpfulness and friendliness towards the reader but I never really got as far as you did, so I can say, in some way, that you have become some idol to me. It must be rather hard to talk about all kinds of topics without letting go professional objectivity. But it's not enough to praise you, it'd be better to simply adopt your style and carry it along, trying to use (and probably improve) it the way it's meant to be used.

I would have rather sent you that via personal message but you do not leave the option open to me, so I will do it in public.

I have to say thank you a thousand times for having learned a lot of things through your articles. I can clearly say to see the world of computing clearer and less biased now. Keep it up, describing your work as awesome would be even too little.

Best regards,

cg

P.S.: One last question towards you:

What is your main occupation? Is it ubuntuforums.org or how come that you are omnipresent, whereever one may browse concerning this message board. Would be nice to be informed about that.

[Steveire]

What is your main occupation? Is it ubuntuforums.org or how come that you are omnipresent, whereever one may browse concerning this message board. Would be nice to be informed about that.

I understand stalking people takes a lot of his time (I-see-you) :)

[aysiu]

It's a well-known fact that I have Ubuntu elves who help me out (Elf #37 typing right now).

I wish I got paid for this, but it's really just a desire to help people out. I'm an advocate of Ubuntu and free/Free software, and I want to get people up and running. After all, when I first started with Ubuntu, there were plenty of people to help me out.

[chaosgeisterchen]

Hmh, you're quite right. I can remember myself starting to dive into the world of Ubuntu (Kubuntu Breezy badger, may 06 to be precise). I was lurking around in the German Kubuntu message board for some while then before I gave myself a kick and tried it out as my main Linux distribution. There were plenty of people helping me and as my knowledge steadily increased (some questions reoccur a thousand times, just as: 'How on earth can I play mp3s?') I was able to give my experiences back to the users. I am proud to be able to help other people out and to distribute my opinion to people who have quite the same thoughts and interests as I have.

This message board is way too big to call it a forum where you get to know people better but it seems very familiar for me after being here for some time now.

Nice to see that it helps reincreasing English knowledge which dramatically dropped upon not having it used such a long period of time.

Am I offtopic? Sorry...

[.t.]

First-off: My English is rather bad so please be obliging concerning the whole lof of mistakes my posting might contain.

This should be some kind of testimonial. Not for Ubuntu. But for the author of this thread, aysiu.

I do not know you, but I think it's all fair if I say that I have never seen anyone like you before. Hundreds of thousands of people are trying to point out things but none of them are sucessful. In the contrary you hit the mark with your postings. The reader gets the impression of being directly adressed by your sympathic writing style which is not the smalles bit subjective (at least it seems very professional, objective and standing above all these arguments we are tired of) and really gets it. Right where it belongs.

You picked quite a lot of all those annoying topics which have already experienced several flamewars and treated them in a very competent way, even if you are not a technical specialist you are at least the utmost capable of spreading true and unbiased words. Unbiased is a very good word to talk about, as we are all biased in a way.

I can only talk for myself, trying for several years now to achieve a style which creates clarification, the impression of helpfulness and friendliness towards the reader but I never really got as far as you did, so I can say, in some way, that you have become some idol to me. It must be rather hard to talk about all kinds of topics without letting go professional objectivity. But it's not enough to praise you, it'd be better to simply adopt your style and carry it along, trying to use (and probably improve) it the way it's meant to be used.

I would have rather sent you that via personal message but you do not leave the option open to me, so I will do it in public.

I have to say thank you a thousand times for having learned a lot of things through your articles. I can clearly say to see the world of computing clearer and less biased now. Keep it up, describing your work as awesome would be even too little.

Best regards,

cg

P.S.: One last question towards you:

What is your main occupation? Is it ubuntuforums.org or how come that you are omnipresent, whereever one may browse concerning this message board. Would be nice to be informed about that.
Hear, hear!

Oh, and chaosgeisterchen, you English is a googlezillion times better than my German.

[chaosgeisterchen]

You are well aware of the fact that German is among the lanuages which are most complicated to be learned?

So the comparison is not really fair.

But I hope your first line shows some kind of agreement with my viewpoint.

[prizrak]

chaos,
Your English is pretty good and Aysiu is the forums MVP.

Ayisu,
You should run for office, then you can really spread Ubuntu :) (I'm only half joking)

[aysiu]

MVP? Yikes. Well, valued or not, I'm just glad to be able to help other people. One of the great feelings I get is from a new user saying, "Thanks! I found that advice really helpful. Now I can do __________." Sure, there will always be the "What a piece of crap... the support on these forums sucks... Ubuntu sucks..." people, but what can you do about those?

Random side note: apart from pronunciation, does German have any of the quirky grammar/syntax "rules" English has? I was always under the impression English was the hardest language to learn because of its inconsistencies.

[.t.]

MVP??? What's an MVP?

Plus, I know how hard German is. I'm studying it at the moment... I would have thought that English is harder for a German than German for an Englishman. German has rules! English barely does!

[Brunellus]

MVP??? What's an MVP?

Plus, I know how hard German is. I'm studying it at the moment... I would have thought that English is harder for a German than German for an Englishman. German has rules! English barely does!
German seems to incorporate new words/concepts the same way the Linux kernel deals with "binary blob" drivers--it just interacts with them whole. Thus, German swallows Latin words & concepts whole, but leaves them undigested.

English is a very cruft-heavy language that has had lots of bits and pieces cobbled onto it: Latin vocabulary (via Norman French) on a Germanic syntax (with a lot of simplification), plus lots of loan words.

we are very much OT now. Let's keep language/linguistics questions on their own threads...

[chaosgeisterchen]

German has rather strict rules and you have full capability to be creative concerning your language. I am a native German speaker (as one can see - I am from Austria) and I am rather good at using it, so I can only say that it's a great language but I prefer English to use.

@MVP: No one else earns this price more than aysiu. You're quite humble.

@my English: I just did not want to disappoint aysiu with a badly written testimonial.

@Brunellus: I fully agree. Let's outsource this discussion then if anyone is interested.

[.t.]

OK. But what is an MVP????

[chaosgeisterchen]

Most Valuable Person.

[prizrak]

Most Valuable Person.
In sports: Most Valuable Player
MS: Most Valuable Programmer
What I meant was: Most Valuable Poster but Person works too :)

[chaosgeisterchen]

Oh my, would you please just accept the word 'person' as a metaword ;)

[.t.]

...Must be some kind of crazy American term...
Never heard it before in England

[chaosgeisterchen]

I can only second that as I simply guessed rather randomly.

[Brunellus]

...Must be some kind of crazy American term...
Never heard it before in England
The term, I think, originates in baseball, where each of the big leagues awards a "most valuable player" award each season. MVP Awards are by ballot (I think of sportswriters, but I'm not sure), but a fair amount of statistical analysis tends to go into things.

[.t.]

Right!..

[Epperly]

Officially Windows-free. :)

No more BSsOD plz. No more losing 4k songs due to no way to backing them up and Windows going bye-bye(lost them more than twice[I give up now])

[EdThaSlayer]

Thats one beautiful list of threads you got there!
Iam going to read each one of those.
Thanks for sharing the links great forum master aysiu.

[Brunellus]

Thats one beautiful list of threads you got there!
Iam going to read each one of those.
Thanks for sharing the links great forum master aysiu.
You'll spend/waste a lot of time. Just remember: Linux is not ready for the desktop. Only programmers use Linux. Linux would be awesome if it did things like Windows, then all windows users would spontaneously achieve gnosis and switch to Linux. Linux would then also be able to run photoshop/steam/bonzibuddy.

There. saved you all the trouble.

[EdThaSlayer]

You'll spend/waste a lot of time. Just remember: Linux is not ready for the desktop. Only programmers use Linux. Linux would be awesome if it did things like Windows, then all windows users would spontaneously achieve gnosis and switch to Linux. Linux would then also be able to run photoshop/steam/bonzibuddy.

There. saved you all the trouble.
Yep, i know great forum master Brunellus. But i program in Python[still learning OOP though!Finished 95% of ByteOfPython] Linux is free and is very different than windows. That is the great thing about it. I dont really like Photoshop, GIMP is superior(i basically love opensource). Bonzibuddy, i remember that purple monkey eating bananas and giving me those advertisements.So i end this with the saying, Linux>Windows. I have had many,many, many, problems with windows:mad:


EDIT:thanks:cool: for telling me that...windows users do complain too much in fact! :evil:

[raublekick]

if only linux had a big corporation to round up the developers, sold it as a product, and used the profits to fund the developers... then linux would be ready for the desktop!


i love this thread, and i kinda wanna go on a FUD-thread making rampage just to steam Ayisu's clams :)

[Brunellus]

if only linux had a big corporation to round up the developers, sold it as a product, and used the profits to fund the developers... then linux would be ready for the desktop!


i love this thread, and i kinda wanna go on a FUD-thread making rampage just to steam Ayisu's clams :)
premeditated FUD-thread-making is aggravated trolling. I'd have to consult with the rest of the Moderating witangemot, but I think that would merit the perpetrator's being smitten with the Banhammer.

[prizrak]

premeditated FUD-thread-making is aggravated trolling. I'd have to consult with the rest of the Moderating witangemot, but I think that would merit the perpetrator's being smitten with the Banhammer.

Or we shall take the orange hat away.

[louieb]

Remember Gillian's island? The discussion between me and my buddies alway broke down to Ginger or Mary Ann.

The open source community is full of passionate capable people. Fully able to promote and defend open source software. But sometime our passion get to the point where we start eating our own. Earlier today I was reading a blog that bashed Slackware Linux from one end to the other. The responses from the Slackware crowd was along the lines of "that idiot thinks all Linux distributions should be like Ubuntu".

I like the helpful spirit here at Ubuntu forums. That is a good thing because I tinkering with computers and cars too. That reminds me. I maintain a web site for a small auto repair shop. Last time I was there John was building an exhaust system for a Mazda Miata. I don't know how they got it in there but under the hood of that little two seater car was big old bossy looking Ford V8. Not for everybody.

[total wormage]

i love you aysiu :]]]]

=D>:KS :KS

[stonecold23]

hahahah hehehe. whay are they wasting their time?
surely the ONLY reason isnt as popular as it could be is because it isnt advertized by a huge company. the common man will buy what he is told to buy on the tele box!

[mykalreborn]

hahahah hehehe. whay are they wasting their time?
surely the ONLY reason isnt as popular as it could be is because it isnt advertized by a huge company. the common man will buy what he is told to buy on the tele box!
i'm sure you didn't read the whole thread. linux is the living proof that you don't need a big company to promote it in order for it to be popular.

[steveneddy]

OK - time for dead thread resurrection.

Now is the time of the Linux desktop! And Ubuntu RULEZ!

[hufferd]

Recently, Stormy Eyes started a thread about being tired of the "if only Linux had X feature or killer app, then there'd be a mass migration" threads (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=216443)

I, too, am getting tired. You'll often hear tired old forum members like Stormy and me complaining that arguments about Linux desktop marketshare, desktop readiness, desktop migration, etc. have taken place thousands of times. Well, it may not number into the thousands yet, but it has happened a lot. Here are some threads you might want to read if you don't believe me.

Some threads started out innocently and got hijacked by argumentative individuals. Others were clearly flamebait from the first post. Next time I see one of these threads, I'll post a link to this thread (the one you're reading) and then add it to my list.

Anatomy of a well-intentioned Linux Troll (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58017)
For Ubuntu Lovers, what is PREVENTING you from deleting your Windows Partition? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=71976)
Future of Microsoft? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179699)
In your opinion is Ubuntu a serious rival for OSX and the upcoming Windows Vista? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89166)
In your opinion what is the biggest setback that is preventing Linux to widespread? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=88023)
Is Linux REALLY More Secure Than Windows? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59429)
Is Microsoft Windows ready for the desktop? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53286)
Linux not ready for the desktop thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1679955)
My wife wants windows back (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159922)
Reasons to leave Linux (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=229717)
Reasons why I aint using ubuntu on my personal desktop... (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=891)
Simple things Windows users can't do (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=244340)
The Future of Linux ( How A Windows Zealot changed) (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190244)
This man obviously hasn't seen Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9844)
What do non geeks want? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=199744)
Which Operating System Is Best? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=200436)
Who Says "Windows" is better Than "Linux" ?? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=226282)
Why is everyone so anti-Microsoft? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65863)
Why is your operating system better? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=135891)
Why Windows Sucks (a rant) (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136717)
Wired article: Is Ubuntu for you? (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246360)

Thank you for this post and these links :)

[Viva]

The OP needs to be updated:popcorn:

P.S Excellent thread again ayisu, I really appreciate your threads.