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cmcanulty
November 24th, 2013, 06:13 PM
same issue here installed xubuntu 13.10 yesterday. Today min max close all gone and this fix didn't work. I am trying xubuntu to keep it simple not have problems

Toz
November 24th, 2013, 06:38 PM
same issue here installed xubuntu 13.10 yesterday. Today min max close all gone and this fix didn't work. I am trying xubuntu to keep it simple not have problems

Is xfwm4 running?

ps -ef | grep xfwm4 | grep -v grep

If not, try starting it:

xfwm4

Do you get any error messages?

cmcanulty
November 25th, 2013, 01:04 AM
cmcanulty@gateway:~$ ps -ef | grep -v grep
UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
root 1 0 2 18:37 ? 00:00:02 /sbin/init
root 2 0 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kthreadd]
root 3 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
root 4 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/0:0]
root 5 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/0:0H]
root 6 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/u2:0]
root 7 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [migration/0]
root 8 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [rcu_bh]
root 9 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [rcuob/0]
root 10 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [rcu_sched]
root 11 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [rcuos/0]
root 12 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [watchdog/0]
root 13 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [khelper]
root 14 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kdevtmpfs]
root 15 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [netns]
root 16 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [writeback]
root 17 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kintegrityd]
root 18 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [bioset]
root 19 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/u3:0]
root 20 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kblockd]
root 21 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [ata_sff]
root 22 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [khubd]
root 23 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [md]
root 24 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [devfreq_wq]
root 25 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/0:1]
root 26 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [khungtaskd]
root 27 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kswapd0]
root 28 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [ksmd]
root 29 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [khugepaged]
root 30 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [fsnotify_mark]
root 31 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [ecryptfs-kthrea]
root 32 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [crypto]
root 44 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kthrotld]
root 45 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/u2:1]
root 46 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/0:2]
root 47 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/u2:2]
root 66 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [deferwq]
root 67 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [charger_manager]
root 112 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [firewire]
root 113 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/0:3]
root 114 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [scsi_eh_0]
root 115 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [scsi_eh_1]
root 116 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/u2:3]
root 117 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/u2:4]
root 128 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [jbd2/sda1-8]
root 129 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [ext4-rsv-conver]
root 130 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [ext4-unrsv-conv]
root 253 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 upstart-udev-bridge --daemon
root 258 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --daemon
root 314 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [tifm]
root 321 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [edac-poller]
root 325 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kpsmoused]
root 326 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [cfg80211]
root 337 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [ttm_swap]
root 338 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/0:4]
root 339 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [pccardd]
root 352 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/0:5]
root 403 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 upstart-socket-bridge --daemon
root 447 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/u3:1]
root 533 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [jbd2/sda2-8]
root 534 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [ext4-rsv-conver]
root 535 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [ext4-unrsv-conv]
102 585 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 dbus-daemon --system --fork
root 653 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/modem-manager
syslog 663 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 rsyslogd -c5
root 668 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind
root 683 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/bluetoothd
root 708 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [krfcommd]
root 721 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 upstart-file-bridge --daemon
avahi 733 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 avahi-daemon: running [gateway.local]
avahi 736 733 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 avahi-daemon: chroot helper
root 761 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -F
root 788 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 NetworkManager
root 827 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug
root 833 1 0 18:37 tty4 00:00:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty4
root 840 1 0 18:37 tty5 00:00:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty5
root 852 1 0 18:37 tty2 00:00:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty2
root 854 1 0 18:37 tty3 00:00:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty3
root 861 1 0 18:37 tty6 00:00:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty6
root 914 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cups-browsed
root 929 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 acpid -c /etc/acpi/events -s /var/run/acpid.socket
root 931 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [irq/22-b43]
root 933 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 cron
root 944 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -P /run/sendsigs.omit.d/wpasupplicant.pid -u -s -O /var/run/wpa_supplicant
root 958 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 lightdm
root 976 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/accountsservice/accounts-daemon
root 981 1 0 18:37 tty1 00:00:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty1
whoopsie 991 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 whoopsie
root 1008 958 1 18:37 tty7 00:00:01 /usr/bin/X -core :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
root 1014 958 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 lightdm --session-child 12 15
root 1017 2 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 [kauditd]
1000 1031 1014 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 init --user
1000 1081 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /bin/sh -e /proc/self/fd/9
1000 1082 1081 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 sleep 60
1000 1084 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 ssh-agent
1000 1086 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 dbus-daemon --fork --session --address=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-VGgzprxDlr
1000 1092 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 upstart-event-bridge
1000 1105 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /bin/sh /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc -- /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
1000 1113 1105 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 xfce4-session
root 1114 788 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf /run/sendsigs.omit.d/network-manager.dhclient-eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclient-c06a90d1-f75e-486b-9fab-9fc56649f615-eth0.lease -cf /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclient-eth0.conf eth0
1000 1116 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 upstart-file-bridge --daemon --user
1000 1118 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 upstart-dbus-bridge --daemon --system --user --bus-name system
1000 1120 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 upstart-dbus-bridge --daemon --session --user --bus-name session
1000 1124 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/xfconf/xfconfd
1000 1129 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 gnome-keyring-daemon --start
1000 1134 1113 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 xfwm4 --replace --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 23cbc66a7-fb36-48ee-8a5a-9d471819c520
1000 1136 1113 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 Thunar --sm-client-id 2d5128cd3-de79-433e-b58b-091e3ed92930 --daemon
1000 1137 1113 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 xfce4-panel --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 208a09c85-961b-4dbf-87d3-db2c5b05c7ed
1000 1139 1113 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 xfdesktop --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 23a87c0b6-d037-41ee-a577-f3f7993a7310
1000 1140 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 xfsettingsd --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 221d9ee53-bfac-4982-b73c-54bedc0f8d2b
1000 1143 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd
1000 1148 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs//gvfsd-fuse -f /run/user/1000/gvfs
nobody 1159 788 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/dnsmasq --no-resolv --keep-in-foreground --no-hosts --bind-interfaces --pid-file=/var/run/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.pid --listen-address=127.0.1.1 --conf-file=/var/run/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.conf --cache-size=0 --proxy-dnssec --enable-dbus=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.dnsmasq --conf-dir=/etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d
1000 1168 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 xfce4-power-manager --restart --sm-client-id 2bd79a2ab-0f5e-44d0-9e86-cc00c989dc2a
1000 1196 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 zeitgeist-datahub
1000 1207 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 nm-applet
1000 1214 1137 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/wrapper /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/plugins/libsystray.so 4 10485799 systray Notification Area Area where notification icons appear
1000 1215 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 update-notifier
1000 1217 1137 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-indicator-plugin 5 10485800 indicator Indicator Plugin An indicator of something that needs your attention on the desktop
1000 1225 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 xscreensaver -no-splash
1000 1228 1137 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/wrapper /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/plugins/libactions.so 9 10485801 actions Action Buttons Log out, lock or other system actions
1000 1231 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py
1000 1233 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
1000 1235 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 xfce4-power-manager
1000 1236 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 xfce4-volumed
1000 1239 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/notifyd/xfce4-notifyd
1000 1241 1137 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/wrapper /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/plugins/libthunar-tpa.so 34 10485805 thunar-tpa Trash Applet Display the trash can
1000 1244 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.10 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/0
1000 1254 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
rtkit 1256 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/rtkit/rtkit-daemon
root 1261 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/upower/upowerd
1000 1269 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tumbler-1/tumblerd
1000 1275 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/zeitgeist-daemon
1000 1362 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/zeitgeist-fts
root 1380 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/winbindd -F
1000 1400 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-application-service
1000 1402 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service
1000 1412 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/dconf/dconf-service
root 1475 1380 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/winbindd -F
1000 1560 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi-bus-launcher
1000 1564 1560 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /bin/dbus-daemon --config-file=/etc/at-spi2/accessibility.conf --nofork --print-address 3
1000 1567 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi2-registryd --use-gnome-session
1000 1573 1362 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /bin/cat
1000 1583 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gconf/gconfd-2
1000 1585 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
root 1588 1 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/udisks2/udisksd --no-debug
1000 1597 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor
1000 1601 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-afc-volume-monitor
1000 1607 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor
1000 1633 1031 0 18:37 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal
1000 1637 1633 0 18:38 ? 00:00:00 gnome-pty-helper
1000 1638 1633 0 18:38 pts/3 00:00:00 bash
root 1688 788 0 18:38 ? 00:00:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf /run/sendsigs.omit.d/network-manager.dhclient-wlan0.pid -lf /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclient-94a25c77-dc42-4c84-9de7-1afc05c3b1a9-wlan0.lease -cf /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclient-wlan0.conf wlan0
1000 1756 1638 0 18:38 pts/3 00:00:00 ps -ef
cmcanulty@gateway:~$ xf
xf: command not found
cmcanulty@gateway:~$ xfwm4
xfwm4-Message: Another Window Manager (Xfwm4) is already running on screen :0.0
xfwm4-Message: To replace the current window manager, try "--replace"

(xfwm4:1786): xfwm4-WARNING **: Could not find a screen to manage, exiting
cmcanulty@gateway:~$ xfwm4 --replace
Waiting for current window manager (Xfwm4) on screen :0.0 to exit: Done

Toz
November 25th, 2013, 02:54 AM
Which Window Manager theme are you using (Settings Manager -> Window Manager -> Style)?

If you change this theme, does it make a difference?

vasa1
November 25th, 2013, 03:15 AM
Is xfwm4 running?

ps -ef | grep xfwm4 | grep -v grep
...

pgrep -l xfwm4 is another way. For example (because I use Openbox instead of xfwm4),

[07:41 AM] ~ $ pgrep -l openbox
1219 openbox
[07:41 AM] ~ $ pgrep -l xfc
1205 xfce4-session
1216 xfconfd
1221 xfce4-panel
1246 xfce4-power-man
[07:41 AM] ~ $

vasa1
November 25th, 2013, 03:28 AM
I think that
ps -ef | grep xfwm4 | grep -v grep did not work as intended because "|" doesn't run in the order present in the code but simultaneously, if I understand correctly and may result in confusion on occasion. There's more reading on "|" being simultaneous here (http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/37508/15760).

Incidentally, cmcanulty's code "proves" something else: that having multiple desktops and then running the lighter desktop doesn't give the full benefit (in terms of "lightness") as running a computer with just the lighter desktop present. See process 1275 in cmcanulty's ps output. I understand that such a process isn't present in vanilla Xubuntu.

Toz
November 25th, 2013, 03:40 AM
pgrep -l xfwm4 is another way. For example (because I use Openbox instead of xfwm4),

[07:41 AM] ~ $ pgrep -l openbox
1219 openbox
[07:41 AM] ~ $ pgrep -l xfc
1205 xfce4-session
1216 xfconfd
1221 xfce4-panel
1246 xfce4-power-man
[07:41 AM] ~ $


Thanks. This old dog learns something new again. :)

Toz
November 25th, 2013, 03:51 AM
Incidentally, the OP's code "proves" something else: that having multiple desktops and then running the lighter desktop doesn't give the full benefit (in terms of "lightness") as running a computer with just the lighter desktop present. See process 1275 in OP's ps output. I understand that such a process isn't present in vanilla Xubuntu.
At one point in time, in one of the betas, I noticed that zietgeist got installed.

Zeitgeist is a service which logs the user's activities and events (files
opened, websites visited, conversations held with other people, etc.) and
makes the relevant information available to other applications.
.
It serves as a comprehensive activity log and also makes it possible to
determine relationships between items based on usage patterns.
.
This metapackage depends on the Zeitgeist engine and a set of packages
(such as data providers) commonly used together with it.
...it freaked me out and I removed it and catfish (dependency). However, in the final release, its not part of the manifest (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/xubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.manifest) so I'm guessing that it was removed. Although it brings up an interesting question about which version of 13.10 was installed (beta vs final), I don't think the package itself would cause the issue the OP is facing. The other processes all look normal for a Xubuntu install.

vasa1
November 25th, 2013, 03:58 AM
..., I don't think the package itself would cause the issue the OP is facing. The other processes all look normal for a Xubuntu install.
It is a side-issue and most probably unrelated to cmcanulty's losing the window decorations but I mentioned it because troubleshooting may be different for a standalone Xubuntu versus xubuntu-desktop running on a computer with other desktops present; some processes supposedly unique to other desktops may leak over with unexpected results. Pure speculation but seeing that process put it in my mind!

cmcanulty
November 26th, 2013, 12:00 AM
I only had xubuntu. After this problem I tried adding xfce4 to see if that would give me an option without this problem but it did nothing. In fact I don't even get an option to log in to xfce4 like I should. I am using clearlooks-phenix-master. Though I tried others and it makes no difference.I didn't use a beta for xubuntu


cmcanulty@gateway:~$ pgrep -l xfwm4
1134 xfwm4
cmcanulty@gateway:~$

Toz
November 26th, 2013, 01:48 AM
. I am using clearlooks-phenix-master. Though I tried others and it makes no difference.
Did you try other Window Manager themes (Settings Manager -> Window Manager) or Appearance themes (Settings Manager -> Appearance)? It is the Window Manager theme you would want to change.

Can you change both the Appearance and the Window Manager themes to Greybird and see if that fixes the problem?




cmcanulty@gateway:~$ pgrep -l xfwm4
1134 xfwm4
cmcanulty@gateway:~$
It is running.....

Any chance you could post a screenshot? What type of video card do you have and which driver are you using?

cmcanulty
November 26th, 2013, 02:42 PM
this is not
an uncommon problem many search results but nothing has worked for me I changed both to greybird, no difference. Here is the output this happened to me once on classic and required a whole reinstall. sure would like to avoid that! thanks

cmcanulty@gateway:~$ pgrep -l xfwm4
1131 xfwm4
cmcanulty@gateway:~$

Toz
November 26th, 2013, 04:04 PM
Things to report back on:

1. Video card and drivers:

lspci -k | grep -iA2 VGA

2. Attach your apt history logs to see what you've installed. These are all of the history files located in /var/log/apt. Shouldn't be too large if you've just installed.

3. Attach or post back the contents of your ~/.xsession-errors log file after you've changed both the appearance and window manager themes (in case there are error messages).

EDIT: Can you also attach a screenshot of the missing decorations?

vasa1
November 26th, 2013, 04:10 PM
Maybe a good idea to start a new thread seeing as this particular issue may now be different from the original which was solved.

Toz
November 26th, 2013, 04:42 PM
Maybe a good idea to start a new thread seeing as this particular issue may now be different from the original which was solved.

Good idea. New thread created.

cmcanulty
November 26th, 2013, 05:45 PM
cmcanulty@gateway:~$ lspci -k | grep -iA2 VGA
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS480M [Mobility Radeon Xpress 200]
Subsystem: Gateway, Inc. Device 0300
Kernel driver in use: radeon
cmcanulty@gateway:~$
i have 3 of these old laptops and the video and graphics do fine in linux.


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libgcr-ui-3-1 install
speech-dispatcher install
libcairo-perl install
gksu install
readline-common install
rsyslog install
pkg-config install
shared-mime-info install
xfce4-taskmanager install
libxvmc1 install
tar install
hunspell-en-us install
ntpdate install
libmpcdec6 install
cron install
crafty-books-medtosmall install
libshout3 install
fonts-thai-tlwg install
libglade2.0-cil install
gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 install
linux-generic install
libcupsfilters1 install
wireless-tools install
printer-driver-ptouch install
gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly install
popularity-contest install
libffi6 install
libffi6:i386 install
libgee2 install
xserver-xorg-video-mga install
gstreamer0.10-nice install
libsamplerate0 install
libsamplerate0:i386 install
libopencore-amrnb0 install
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau install
gnome-control-center-data install
libhttp-negotiate-perl install
libjpeg8 install
libjpeg8:i386 install
gnome-mines install

cmcanulty
November 26th, 2013, 06:37 PM
OK I completely purged firefox and reinstalled, no change. Also evince and numerous other apps have no tool bar open, close, file, etc. I guess I would save time by reinstalling xubuntu but then this can randomly occur at any time and there is no fix?

VMC
November 26th, 2013, 06:50 PM
Can you give us a picture of the "lost" decorations? Screenshot.

I've been using Ubuntu all along and only used Xubuntu for a short time, and the only strange decoration, was when I choose GNOME as the theme.

Toz
November 26th, 2013, 08:49 PM
i have 3 of these old laptops and the video and graphics do fine in linux.
There is an existing bug for missing decorations with nvidia cards for themes with 1 pixel borders - I wanted to see if this was affecting you.


Can you give us a picture of the "lost" decorations? Screenshot.

+1 a screenshot would sure help - at least give us some perspective.


I guess I would save time by reinstalling xubuntu but then this can randomly occur at any time and there is no fix?
As I understand it, everything worked fine when you first installed, but then went south shortly thereafter. If you do decide to re-install, keep track of which packages you are installing and when it happens again. It might be related to a specific package or update. I couldn't pick out anything specific with the listing you posted.

cmcanulty
November 26th, 2013, 11:11 PM
OK I tried a reinstall and kept my home and that didn't fix so I did a clean reinstall. Ironically I wanted to do Xubuntu to eliminate the lack of menus etc in unity and it appears to have major issues also. But I don't know about how xubuntu is so configurable if configuring causes problems like this with no fix.

Toz
November 26th, 2013, 11:34 PM
OK I tried a reinstall and kept my home and that didn't fix so I did a clean reinstall. Ironically I wanted to do Xubuntu to eliminate the lack of menus etc in unity and it appears to have major issues also. But I don't know about how xubuntu is so configurable if configuring causes problems like this with no fix.

To be honest, I've installed many instances of Xubuntu over the years and have never seen an issue like this. Keep a close eye on the packages that you install/update and when the issue appears - I think it might be related to one specific package/update.

vasa1
November 27th, 2013, 03:24 AM
Looking at the list of installed software, it seems that the system is very far from "vanilla" Xubuntu. The first hint came with the mentions of zeitgeist. Now, the list of apps has several "kde" entries at least some of which are due to manual, intentional installation of KDE software. My prejudice is that KDE doesn't not play well with GNOME. Nor does it uninstall cleanly.

[08:16 AM] ~/Desktop $ grep kde temp.txt
libkde3support4 install
kdegames-data install
kdelibs5-data install
libkdeui5 install
libkdeclarative5 install
kde-runtime install
kde-runtime-data install
kdelibs5-plugins install
libkdegames6 install
libkdesu5 install
libkdecore5 install
kdelibs-bin install
libkdewebkit5 install

Who knows what else has been done? There's oxygen-icon-theme.

In conclusion, there's enough reason to conclude that the problems noticed here are probably due to installation of software that somehow "breaks" Xubuntu window manager's functionality.

Another non-scientific claim: even though package managers do their best, the effect of adding software may not be totally reversed by removing the same software.

Toz
November 27th, 2013, 04:00 AM
Looking at the list of installed software, it seems that the system is very far from "vanilla" Xubuntu. The first hint came with the mentions of zeitgeist. Now, the list of apps has several "kde" entries at least some of which are due to manual, intentional installation of KDE software. My prejudice is that KDE doesn't not play well with GNOME. Nor does it uninstall cleanly.
Code:

[08:16 AM] ~/Desktop $ grep kde temp.txt
libkde3support4 install
kdegames-data install
kdelibs5-data install
libkdeui5 install
libkdeclarative5 install
kde-runtime install
kde-runtime-data install
kdelibs5-plugins install
libkdegames6 install
libkdesu5 install
libkdecore5 install
kdelibs-bin install
libkdewebkit5 install

Who knows what else has been done? There's oxygen-icon-theme.

In conclusion, there's enough reason to conclude that the problems noticed here are probably due to installation of software that somehow "breaks" Xubuntu window manager's functionality.

Another non-scientific claim: even though package managers do their best, the effect of adding software may not be totally reversed by removing the same software.
Agreed. There are over 1000 additional packages above and beyond the 13.10 manifest (just did a compare):

apparmor-easyprof
app--data
app--data-partner
b43-fwcutter
binfmt-support
bleachbit
bluez-alsa
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build-essential
cabextract
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cgoban
cli-common
compiz-core
compiz-plugins-default
consolekit
crafty
crafty-books-medtosmall
dconf-gsettings-backend
debhelper
default-jre
default-jre-headless
desktop-base
dh-apparmor
dkms
docbook-xsl
dpkg-dev
dreamchess
dreamchess-data
dvd+rw-tools
e2fslibs
eboard
espeak-data
ethtool
extlinux
fairymax
fakeroot
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flashplugin-er
fonts-dejavu
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fonts-horai-umefont
fonts-sil-gentium
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g++
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@cmcanulty, during the compare, I noticed that you have compiz installed (though it doesn't appear to be running based on previous "ps" report). I'm thinking maybe it might have something to do with the window controls, if its running.

vasa1
November 27th, 2013, 04:14 AM
Agreed. There are over 1000 additional packages above and beyond the 13.10 manifest (just did a compare):
....
That list is awesome! There's mono and nautilus as well! I've seen so many posts about how Nautilus tries to take over the desktop. (I know the topic is window decorations.)
I couldn't generate the same list because
I don't know what the 13.10 manifest is or where it's available
I too don't have a "vanilla" Xubuntu: mine is a "xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends" on Lubuntu 13.10 and
I don't know the command to generate such a difference. (I've used diff before.)

@OP, Is it possible that the computer in question is used by others with admin rights and that these people have installed software without you knowing it?

Toz
November 27th, 2013, 04:22 AM
I don't know what the 13.10 manifest is or where it's available
All the manifests (list of packages on the installation CD) for all the isos can be found at cdimage.ubuntu.com, in the same directory as the iso. For Xubuntu 13.10, see: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/. It's the .manifest file.

VMC
November 27th, 2013, 04:30 AM
OK I tried a reinstall and kept my home and that didn't fix so I did a clean reinstall. Ironically I wanted to do Xubuntu to eliminate the lack of menus etc in unity and it appears to have major issues also. But I don't know about how xubuntu is so configurable if configuring causes problems like this with no fix.

That first sentence might be a tell-tale sign. If I'm reading it right. Leaving home intact and still no decorations, but a new install and everything it ok.

I once had decoration issues with KDE, but when I remove my ".kde" folder and it got rebuilt everything was normal. I needed to find the errant file that caused the mess.

Also those compiz downloads may be the problem. Do you know exactly when this started, or did you just download programs over several days without re-booting and then finally on a re-boot , the decoration issue came up?

Knowing the first sign of the issue would go a long way to find a solution, since you now have +1000 added programs.

vasa1
November 27th, 2013, 04:34 AM
All the manifests (list of packages on the installation CD) for all the isos can be found at cdimage.ubuntu.com, in the same directory as the iso. For Xubuntu 13.10, see: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/. It's the .manifest file.
Glad I asked :)

So the manifest list will be even longer than the actual list of software on the completion of an installation because the installation has a purge (near the end of the process) which removes quite some software: gparted and ubiquity are two easy examples to remember.

Toz
November 27th, 2013, 04:55 AM
That first sentence might be a tell-tale sign. If I'm reading it right. Leaving home intact and still no decorations, but a new install and everything it ok.

I once had decoration issues with KDE, but when I remove my ".kde" folder and it got rebuilt everything was normal. I needed to find the errant file that caused the mess.

Also those compiz downloads may be the problem. Do you know exactly when this started, or did you just download programs over several days without re-booting and then finally on a re-boot , the decoration issue came up?

Knowing the first sign of the issue would go a long way to find a solution, since you now have +1000 added programs.
Agreed. Something in there is muddling the system.


Glad I asked :)

So the manifest list will be even longer than the actual list of software on the completion of an installation because the installation has a purge (near the end of the process) which removes quite some software: gparted and ubiquity are two easy examples to remember.
True. However, using the command:

comm -23 <(sort installed_list) <(sort manifest)
...will display only those items in his list which are not in the manifest list (effectively ignoring those items).

vasa1
November 27th, 2013, 06:30 AM
...
However, using the command:

comm -23 <(sort installed_list) <(sort manifest)
....
Very useful. Thanks!

cmcanulty
November 27th, 2013, 04:18 PM
I gave up on xubuntu wanted less hassles not more. I only had added real mainstream pkgs like libre office and gparted. Will try mate now but that gives keyring issues. Ubuntu used to be sooo good and now everything is difficult.