scott092707
November 25th, 2013, 08:56 PM
When I use gnome's time-admin (terminal, or SystemTools-->Time-and-date), it has the option to either "Keep synchronized with Internet servers" (default) or "Manual". In the past (Ubuntu 9.10) it gave the ability to see the list of servers, and select which one(s) I wanted to use. (I was in Germany at the time, and I had to change the server because the default one for my location was non-functional).
Now, that ability is no longer there. [When was it removed?]
YET, when one clicks on Help, the documentation that pops up shows a button to click, in order to show the servers, and doing so shows the window where the servers are displayed and one can select one or more by checkmarking.
Gnome's online help page for this (https://help.gnome.org/users/time-admin/stable/) shows the same thing.
Some searching showed me that the program was time-admin, in the gnome-time-admin package. There appears to be a relationship with gnome-system-tools...
I tried to find "gnome-time-admin" or "gnome-system-tools" at gnome's bug-list site (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=__all), but they are not listed.
I entered the bug under gnome-control-center/time-and-date (which seemed the most likely place), but the reponder said it never had the ability to show/change the internet time servers, and this was apparently therefore not the right place to file the bug.
I cannot find the right place to file the bug with gnome, so I am trying to get help here.
I was surprised to find that the Gnome Project Listing (https://projects.gnome.org/) lists gnome system tools, but the ftp page has the last version (3.0 - the version on my Lubuntu 13.10 distro) as being from 2011-04-03, two and a half years ago. Perhaps it is no longer being developed...?
(The project listing page has a copyright of "Copyright © 2005-2009 The GNOME Project (http://www.gnome.org/)."), so one wonders if that page itself may no longer be valid...)
Anyway...
1) Even if time-admin is no longer being developed, then if the ability to see/change the internet time servers was removed, then the help screens/web help pages should reflect that change.
Where, therefore should I report the "bug", since where I did so was the wrong place?
2) Since [L]ubuntu is apparently using internet time servers to keep the correct time (unless one switches to manual mode), then it seems only logical that one should have the ability to see what servers are being used, and change them, in case of problems. Is there another program currently on my system that does give that ability, that I have not managed to find? If not, what other program does?
It seems to me that removing that ability from time-admin is a regression...
3) If the current gnome-system-tools is so old, shouldn't [L]ubuntu have found something more current for the task(s), that is still being maintained?
[I suppose, upon reflection, that perhaps gnome changed its system entirely, and that the project list and ftp for gnome-system-tools, are not the current places for looking at current gnome projects and the (possibly still current) gnome-system-tools... But, if so, wouldn't the version number have changed in two and a half years...?]
If someone has any insight and answers to the above questions, I would be very grateful to read them.
-Scott
I have attached screenshots showing time-admin's help windows, that show the button that one can click to select time servers, and the window that results from that click showing various internet time servers which one can checkmark to select.
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scott@scott-ASUS-M2N68-AM-PLUS:~$ uname -a
Linux scott-ASUS-M2N68-AM-PLUS 3.11.0-13-generic-tuxonice #20~ppa1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 8 11:40:45 UTC 2013 i686 athlon i686 GNU/Linux
scott@scott-ASUS-M2N68-AM-PLUS:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description: Ubuntu 13.10
Release: 13.10
Codename: saucy
[Actually Lubuntu] (is there a terminal command that shows "Lubuntu" (or "Kubuntu", or ...) ? )
gnome-time-admin : 3.0.0-2ubuntu2
gnome-system-tools : 3.0.0-2ubuntu2
system-tools-backends : 2.10.2-1ubuntu1
liboobs-1-5 : 3.0.0-1
Now, that ability is no longer there. [When was it removed?]
YET, when one clicks on Help, the documentation that pops up shows a button to click, in order to show the servers, and doing so shows the window where the servers are displayed and one can select one or more by checkmarking.
Gnome's online help page for this (https://help.gnome.org/users/time-admin/stable/) shows the same thing.
Some searching showed me that the program was time-admin, in the gnome-time-admin package. There appears to be a relationship with gnome-system-tools...
I tried to find "gnome-time-admin" or "gnome-system-tools" at gnome's bug-list site (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=__all), but they are not listed.
I entered the bug under gnome-control-center/time-and-date (which seemed the most likely place), but the reponder said it never had the ability to show/change the internet time servers, and this was apparently therefore not the right place to file the bug.
I cannot find the right place to file the bug with gnome, so I am trying to get help here.
I was surprised to find that the Gnome Project Listing (https://projects.gnome.org/) lists gnome system tools, but the ftp page has the last version (3.0 - the version on my Lubuntu 13.10 distro) as being from 2011-04-03, two and a half years ago. Perhaps it is no longer being developed...?
(The project listing page has a copyright of "Copyright © 2005-2009 The GNOME Project (http://www.gnome.org/)."), so one wonders if that page itself may no longer be valid...)
Anyway...
1) Even if time-admin is no longer being developed, then if the ability to see/change the internet time servers was removed, then the help screens/web help pages should reflect that change.
Where, therefore should I report the "bug", since where I did so was the wrong place?
2) Since [L]ubuntu is apparently using internet time servers to keep the correct time (unless one switches to manual mode), then it seems only logical that one should have the ability to see what servers are being used, and change them, in case of problems. Is there another program currently on my system that does give that ability, that I have not managed to find? If not, what other program does?
It seems to me that removing that ability from time-admin is a regression...
3) If the current gnome-system-tools is so old, shouldn't [L]ubuntu have found something more current for the task(s), that is still being maintained?
[I suppose, upon reflection, that perhaps gnome changed its system entirely, and that the project list and ftp for gnome-system-tools, are not the current places for looking at current gnome projects and the (possibly still current) gnome-system-tools... But, if so, wouldn't the version number have changed in two and a half years...?]
If someone has any insight and answers to the above questions, I would be very grateful to read them.
-Scott
I have attached screenshots showing time-admin's help windows, that show the button that one can click to select time servers, and the window that results from that click showing various internet time servers which one can checkmark to select.
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scott@scott-ASUS-M2N68-AM-PLUS:~$ uname -a
Linux scott-ASUS-M2N68-AM-PLUS 3.11.0-13-generic-tuxonice #20~ppa1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 8 11:40:45 UTC 2013 i686 athlon i686 GNU/Linux
scott@scott-ASUS-M2N68-AM-PLUS:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description: Ubuntu 13.10
Release: 13.10
Codename: saucy
[Actually Lubuntu] (is there a terminal command that shows "Lubuntu" (or "Kubuntu", or ...) ? )
gnome-time-admin : 3.0.0-2ubuntu2
gnome-system-tools : 3.0.0-2ubuntu2
system-tools-backends : 2.10.2-1ubuntu1
liboobs-1-5 : 3.0.0-1