electricrider
November 21st, 2013, 10:56 PM
Im installing Ubuntu 13.10 from a mini iso disk. I want to use Gnome Session Fallback as my Only DE. I want Lightdm to be my manager because GDM is too full of bloat. Xorg and lightdm are installed.
As of now, installing fallback no longer installs the real fallback session. It only installs the new flashback which uses lots more Gnome than i want - I cannot get a minimal gnome interface working to allow the fallback session to run without installing a fuller Gnome 3 that i do not want.
This was possible in earlier versions of the fallback session.
sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback --no-recommends, does not work any longer.
There has to be an untrusted repo out there that has the real fallback session in it.
Where is that repo?
This is crazy. Gnome stopped support for the real fallback session and Ubuntu followed suit and removed it from the repos. A new dev team saw this and started working on a new still in early beta type release mind you - version of fallback called flashback. Now, Ubuntu took this buggy beta and replaced the real fallback session with it. They wont even bother to change the name and call it Flaskback as you actually install Flashback using the install gnome-session-fallback command. This is Very misleading. This is the kind of " lets give the people minimal tools and cut off access to the tools they want so we can maintain control over the OS - Microsoft like attitude" It seems to me.
What happened to backward compatibility in Linux? In windows for example every 32 bit app that ran in XP will work in all os's up.. vista, win 7 and win 8 - sure windows has libraries of dependencies that get a new version every couple of years.. visual C runtimes direct x etc.. - but in linux if you have a new kernel or a dependency isn't the right version for your app, the app wont work. ( even in windows this is true but at least the system itself will tell you what runtime library you need to upgrade to make the older program work - it's that simple)
Whats the best way to trouble shoot this problem Linux has with backward compatibility? I am asking what is the formula, or procedure to find the way to make the older programs work with the newer kernels and dependencies?
To recap, I want only the minimal Gnome installed to only make the old original fallback session work (which i still need to find a copy of) . I want no Unity or no Gnome 3 style DE.
( main question) How can i do this?
( option 1) IF there is no way to get the original fallback ( which i dont believe) Is there a way to get Flashback with a minimal gnome setup that does not install the gnome 3 DE? ( I'll just have to use the buggy and incomplete Flashback and hope it grows up)
( option 2) OR - can I obtain a copy of the old fallout package someplace else ( even if i have to DL it as a deb for use with an earlier kernel version say 12.04- and install That and make it work in 13.10?
As of now, installing fallback no longer installs the real fallback session. It only installs the new flashback which uses lots more Gnome than i want - I cannot get a minimal gnome interface working to allow the fallback session to run without installing a fuller Gnome 3 that i do not want.
This was possible in earlier versions of the fallback session.
sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback --no-recommends, does not work any longer.
There has to be an untrusted repo out there that has the real fallback session in it.
Where is that repo?
This is crazy. Gnome stopped support for the real fallback session and Ubuntu followed suit and removed it from the repos. A new dev team saw this and started working on a new still in early beta type release mind you - version of fallback called flashback. Now, Ubuntu took this buggy beta and replaced the real fallback session with it. They wont even bother to change the name and call it Flaskback as you actually install Flashback using the install gnome-session-fallback command. This is Very misleading. This is the kind of " lets give the people minimal tools and cut off access to the tools they want so we can maintain control over the OS - Microsoft like attitude" It seems to me.
What happened to backward compatibility in Linux? In windows for example every 32 bit app that ran in XP will work in all os's up.. vista, win 7 and win 8 - sure windows has libraries of dependencies that get a new version every couple of years.. visual C runtimes direct x etc.. - but in linux if you have a new kernel or a dependency isn't the right version for your app, the app wont work. ( even in windows this is true but at least the system itself will tell you what runtime library you need to upgrade to make the older program work - it's that simple)
Whats the best way to trouble shoot this problem Linux has with backward compatibility? I am asking what is the formula, or procedure to find the way to make the older programs work with the newer kernels and dependencies?
To recap, I want only the minimal Gnome installed to only make the old original fallback session work (which i still need to find a copy of) . I want no Unity or no Gnome 3 style DE.
( main question) How can i do this?
( option 1) IF there is no way to get the original fallback ( which i dont believe) Is there a way to get Flashback with a minimal gnome setup that does not install the gnome 3 DE? ( I'll just have to use the buggy and incomplete Flashback and hope it grows up)
( option 2) OR - can I obtain a copy of the old fallout package someplace else ( even if i have to DL it as a deb for use with an earlier kernel version say 12.04- and install That and make it work in 13.10?