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mike acker
July 8th, 2013, 01:24 PM
is Firefox going to the dogs? I am hitting more and more pages that it cannot render and i have to go to chrome.

Firefox should be the browser in Ubuntu as it is an Open Source item. chrome ....is a google product

Frogs Hair
July 8th, 2013, 02:57 PM
I have not noticed any problems , do you have some links ?

philinux
July 8th, 2013, 03:25 PM
I have not noticed any problems , do have some links ?

Ditto same here. We would need some links to test.

CharlesA
July 8th, 2013, 04:14 PM
That makes three of us. I do use Chrome at work because it (supposedly) uses less memory and so far it has caused my work laptop to hard lock less often...

Erik1984
July 8th, 2013, 04:15 PM
Make that four. I'm interested as well in those sites.

2Stoned
July 8th, 2013, 04:38 PM
Make that five :-k

pqwoerituytrueiwoq
July 8th, 2013, 05:33 PM
links or it did not happen :lol:
chromium (apt:chromium-browser) is opensource and is in the stock repo

try a clean profile firefox -P

use firefox all the time for everything except testing how well chrome/ie works on pages i make

Linuxratty
July 8th, 2013, 06:05 PM
it works fine for me..Can we have a screenie and links?

vasa1
July 8th, 2013, 06:09 PM
I'm worried.
Incomplete first post.
No response to requests for links.

mike acker
July 8th, 2013, 07:59 PM
next time i hit a page that won't render i'll try to get a link out here. probably happen tw am

blackbird34
July 8th, 2013, 08:10 PM
+1 to everyone. I have a link (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/chrome-27-firefox-21-opera-next,3534-12.html) ;)

mr john
July 8th, 2013, 08:15 PM
Firefox on my work computer (Windows 7) has completey stopped dispalying flash on websites, complaing that flash is out of date. Then when I upgrade it still doesn't work. Java seems to have issues too sometimes. I've pretty much stopped using firefox unless I want to log into 3 gmail accounts at once (we use Google apps at work). I'm pretty much using Chrome for everything. Firefox is too high maintenance and the update mechanism is quite annoying. Yes, there are options to change how firefox updates, but Google works just fine out of the box. Firefox never really went to the dogs, they failed to update their application to be convenient and to compete against the others.


My scanner, which I've used for 3 years under various updates of Ubuntu, is a brick now

I haven't used a scanner for about three years. Most good phones have decent ennough cameras. Digital cameras are pretty good too. Time to get with the times boy.

Linuxratty
July 8th, 2013, 09:00 PM
+1 to everyone. I have a link (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/chrome-27-firefox-21-opera-next,3534-12.html) ;)

Looks excellent to me.

Erik1984
July 8th, 2013, 10:04 PM
Looks excellent to me.

It's not about the display of that page in Firefox but the content I presume :P Their test results show Firefox to be the #1.

vasa1
July 9th, 2013, 03:25 AM
It's not about the display of that page in Firefox but the content I presume :P Their test results show Firefox to be the #1.
In keeping with the tenor of this thread :D

zer010
July 9th, 2013, 04:31 AM
Never an issue here, link please. Firefox is the only browser I've used regularly for over 7 years...

mike acker
July 9th, 2013, 11:34 AM
EXAMPLE 1
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/eas-holes/

Problem: Video not accessible

coffeecat
July 9th, 2013, 11:38 AM
EXAMPLE 1
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/eas-holes/

Problem: Video not accessible

Works just fine for me - Firefox 22.0 in Ubuntu 13.04.

vasa1
July 9th, 2013, 11:40 AM
example 1
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/eas-holes/

problem: Video not accessible

wfm:

kurt18947
July 9th, 2013, 12:58 PM
Works just fine for me - Firefox 22.0 in Ubuntu 13.04.

No issues here either. 13.10 w/Gnome-Shell & FF23. I'd wonder about add-ons. Try restarting with add-ons disabled? Or a new profile as was suggested above? I have found pages that would not work properly in FF. I then tried the same URL in Chromium - didn't work there either. Makes me wonder if those page creators haven't yet gotten the memo the I.E. 6 is no longer the be-all end-all in web browsing.

CharlesA
July 9th, 2013, 03:04 PM
EXAMPLE 1
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/eas-holes/

Problem: Video not accessible

Works fine for me on FF 22 on Win7.

Do you have any addons that could be blocking flash?

Erik1984
July 9th, 2013, 03:10 PM
@mike
Do you have any script blocking and/or Google blocking add-ons running?

pqwoerituytrueiwoq
July 10th, 2013, 03:25 AM
EXAMPLE 1
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/eas-holes/

Problem: Video not accessible

i am using adblock+noscript and it works, here is my script block/allow list for that page
http://i.imgur.com/AjRCXD2.png

CharlesA
July 10th, 2013, 03:46 AM
pqwoerituytrueiwoq: Looks like my list except I haven't allowed googlesyndication.com. Works fine for me.

vasa1
July 10th, 2013, 05:01 AM
Since OP hasn't really provided any details of the way Firefox is set up, the easiest way to test whether Firefox has gone to the dogs or is going to the dogs is to see whether sites open with a new profile or, not my preference, in safe mode. I suspect getting NoScript just right isn't a trivial task, especially in the present context.

http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-issues-using-safe-mode

2Stoned
July 11th, 2013, 03:16 PM
All works well here too. Firefox will always be my #1

mike acker
July 12th, 2013, 11:53 AM
Works fine for me on FF 22 on Win7.

Do you have any addons that could be blocking flash?

i do run NOFLASH and AD STOP, and I have FF running under AppArmor

Here is another hit: ( this is just a "how to" video).

http://www.pctools.com/kb/article/how-to-cancel-your-automatic-renewal-from-myaccount-video-453.html

** i note that -- using HTML5 -- FF does not support MP4. IE is the biggest PITA in this: they only support MP4 while Chrome is cool: they do MP4, WebM, and Ogg

Erik1984
July 12th, 2013, 02:56 PM
YouTube uses Flash so that could be an explanation ;) Yes YouTube can fall back on HTML5 but that video in your link is Flash here. I have Google Disconnect installed and I need to allow one Google request to see the YouTube vid in the link.

stalkingwolf
July 12th, 2013, 05:14 PM
I have had no problems with firefox. Im not a fan of chromium i find it slow loading. When i need a second browser (logging in to 2 yahoo accounts at one time comes to mind) i use epiphany.

monkeybrain2012
July 12th, 2013, 05:28 PM
Both your links work for me. Firefox 22. I agree with others, there is something wrong in your setup.

synaptix
July 12th, 2013, 07:01 PM
In all the years I've used Firefox, I never had any issues with it at all.

ana551
July 14th, 2013, 10:42 AM
windows or ubuntu,firefox is the best browser out there....period.

mike acker
July 16th, 2013, 12:16 PM
Since OP hasn't really provided any details of the way Firefox is set up, the easiest way to test whether Firefox has gone to the dogs or is going to the dogs is to see whether sites open with a new profile or, not my preference, in safe mode. I suspect getting NoScript just right isn't a trivial task, especially in the present context.

http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-issues-using-safe-mode

i gave up running NOSCRIPT for the usual reason: for the pages I visit frequently I end up clicking "allow all" -- just to get in. instead I run ADBLOCK, FLASHBLOCK, and disconnects for Google, FB, and Twitter.

in addition -- i run Firefox in the default AppArmor profile.

one of the critical elements of RACF that I've not seen in the microprocessor -- until AppArmor -- is the ability to control which programs the user can use to access certain areas. This was the APF library facility in RACF.

I need to learn more about AppArmoor though; it's not a trivial topic, i.e. it's not just a check box "enable AppArmor?"
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here is another failed URL

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/07/gangham-is-one-year-old-k-pop-is-massive-and-music-is-forever-different/

ssam
July 16th, 2013, 01:55 PM
** i note that -- using HTML5 -- FF does not support MP4.

it does (since firefox 14), but you have to recompile it with --enable-gstreamer
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1051559

Erik1984
July 16th, 2013, 02:29 PM
If you have Google Disconnect enabled it's no wonder embedded YouTube (Google) videos are blocked.

mike acker
July 17th, 2013, 12:38 PM
If you have Google Disconnect enabled it's no wonder embedded YouTube (Google) videos are blocked.

"google disconnect" -- per the info/flash -- is supposed to stop google from tracking the pages accessed by the browser

i visit a normal set of newsy pages every morning none of which are improper in any way, -- but -- it's the Principle of the Thing. Ever since they wrote the Fourth Amendment we are supposed to respect privacy. And I support that thought.

The Web Browser is an interesting critter though,-- a very expensive program -- handed out for free -- with a massive campaign to corner the market carried out by the major players. cui bono?

If we knew what our browsers are actually doing I think we would go into a state of shock. ( time out while I get some more tin-foil to reinforce my hat here ) . A browser -- doesn't feel right. It feels out of control. I really need to put more work into that AppArmor thing. That has the ability to stuff that browser into a jar, -- restricting its local access to e.g. /Downloads do I want my browser to be able to access my /Correspondence sub folder ? no, but I can specify that in AppArmor . Maybe that's the only folder out of /Documents that I want to restrict,..... I think that might be, in my case althought the Thunderbird message directories should be protcted as well.

the 'codec' s that are used by browsers, -- for flash, mp4... are especially worrysome

Erik1984
July 18th, 2013, 12:28 AM
Google disconnect blocks all Google elements on a page, including video (again YouTube = Google but I assume you know that pretty well). That has to be the explanation of your blocked videos. It's not a Firefox problem then but a Google Disconnect problem.

zer010
July 18th, 2013, 06:27 AM
In all the years I've used Firefox, I never had any issues with it at all.

I've had very, VERY few issues, none of which I can really recall or which wasn't fixed promptly. Adobe Flash in '09 however... :P

Linuxratty
July 30th, 2013, 08:33 PM
Once in a blue moon something on a web page will gray out FF and I'll have to force quit..For the most part, however,it's good as gold.

lads
July 31st, 2013, 10:44 AM
Hello everyone, this thread comes at a time when I've been forced to re-assess my browser preference.

For the past 3 or 4 years I've happily used Firefox and Chromium in parallel. Apps running on both usually do fine on other browsers, and with both in parallel I can, for instance, have two independent Google sessions at the same time.

A month or so ago I noticed the laptop battery being drained way faster that usual, sometimes less than half the time it should last. Eventually I found Chromium to be the culprit; it randomly cannibalises CPU, sending it to 100% for several minutes. Searching the web I found loads of folk with the same issue (https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/chrome/xRflOyvjcHg/ldkEhwYlDyEJ), which seems to date back to Chromium 21. The folk that managed to solve it report the most incredible solutions, like deleting a splash screen image or removing strange plug-ins that I don't have.

During the past few weeks I've monitored Chromium closely. Apart from the CPU, something else is starting to worry me more: memory usage. With 20 pages opened continuously open for 3 or 4 hours the ensemble of Chromium processes go over 2 Gb of RAM, and the Swap starts to swell. This explains why some of the virtual machines I use get slow at times.

I'm still in the process of collecting data, but it seems that for the same pages Firefox requires far less memory. Also Chromium has apparently an issue when freeing memory. At this stage I'm coming close to the conclusion that I've to stop using Chromium.

I hope to have some objective data in days ahead.

mohan-ram
July 31st, 2013, 11:18 AM
Works just fine for me.