Ubuntu 13.04 is utterly, utterly gorgeous. :)

[BigSilly]

There I said it. :D

OK we don't have the testimonial section anymore, but it's still worth posting. While there's a lot of political discussion surrounding Linux and Ubuntu these days, taking a step back and looking at Ubuntu 13.04 as a desktop/laptop OS, well, imho we're here guys. This is what I wanted Ubuntu to be. It's beautiful, quick, clever, and easy to use. Granted I am not a programmer, and I understand for those users a blinged up desktop isn't much fun (though I don't know why - Ubuntu is still there underneath the glamour and easy to get to). But as a home desktop PC user Ubuntu is hugely compelling. It's one thing to be pretty and striking in appearance, and look great in screen shots, but quite another to be fast, powerful, and functional with it.

A few of the reviews have left me rather dumbfounded. Many of them have voiced upset that this or that feature is missing. But I don't see it that way. A lot of complaints aimed at previous editions have been a lack of finish and some rough edges. I mean, I had lots of trouble with 12.04 and 12.10, and ended up having to use other distros. But with 13.04, they seem to have concentrated on fit and finish, and I can use Ubuntu again. Unity feels finished and ready for the market imho. I would love to buy Ubuntu laptops and desktops, and we might even start to see some too from what I gather.

So my thanks to the devs. I love it. Keep it up. :)

And don't forget us on the desktop when the phone takes off. :D

[Perfect Storm]

All I can say +1 for you "T&E". :)
I have the same experience as you. 13.04 is a champ for me.

[andrew.46]

I have to say that my own experience with 13.04 has been very positive. I hope future versions are as solid :)

[BlinkinCat]

I have to say that my own experience with 13.04 has been very positive. I hope future versions are as solid :)

I would like to say the same goes for me to with Xubuntu

I haven't had one moment of a problem - :P

[Sylslay]

BlinkinCat - THX for meseage. :-) :-) :-)

[grahammechanical]

I am with you on this. Too often the haters spit out their venom on this forum. I don't see those kind of people as having anything of value to say. Oh, by the way there was an interesting discussion at Ubuntu Developer Summit about getting a Unity 8 preview running on MIR into 13.10. It will be just a preview and it will not be on the 13.10 ISO image. It will have to be brought in through a PPA but stuff from Ubuntu Touch will filter on to the desktop. Have you loaded System Monitor and noticed the drop in memory usage compared to 12.10 and 12.10? Benefits from work on Ubuntu phone.

Regards.

[oldos2er]

+1, for Kubuntu!

[mreq]

+1, 13.04 fixed all those minor errors and glitches of previous versions. Now I have the ultimate developer notebook :) In Xubuntu I even get better battery life than in Win 7.

[arpanaut]

+1 to the OP's sentiment!
I just did a fresh install of 13.04 on my daily use laptop and am very pleased.
Beautiful, snappy and very stable so far!

I usually only run LTS on this rig, but the improvements are just too much to pass on.

Kudos to the Dev's.

[daverich]

Yup I really love it too

:)

[iamkuriouspurpleoranj]

I was going to joke that this should be moved to "recurring discussions" but sadly it's not a recurring topic.

[alphacrucis2]

I like it. I wouldn't say it is perfect. One Compiz crash so far. A couple of cases were the focus behaviour doesn't seem to be right but I didn't encounter the problem often enough to concern me. All in all 13.04 is a pretty good effort. I spend most of my time using Unity but I also use the KDE desktop.

[markbl]

Standard Ubuntu 13.04 desktop install then apt-get install gnome-shell then log in with GNOME. Beautiful, simple, clean, and efficient. I like Unity also but think GNOME Shell is better.

[BigSilly]

Standard Ubuntu 13.04 desktop install then apt-get install gnome-shell then log in with GNOME. Beautiful, simple, clean, and efficient. I like Unity also but think GNOME Shell is better.

I used to very much prefer Gnome Shell over Unity, but I have to say I don't like a lot of the recent changes in 3.8. I don't like what they've done to the Shell overview at all. It was much better when you had your application categories on the right hand side. Now I don't know where I am with it. They've replaced the categories with the rather odd "Sundry" and "Utilities" buttons, which to me feel like a sudden and complete change of design direction. It just feels like they want to pare it down all the time to its bones. And Nautilus too. There's seemingly little there left to talk about. It's a real shame.

I don't want to get into a boring moan-fest about Gnome at all, because hey, we get it for free and it's their baby. Seems wrong to complain about something you get for free, and it still is an amazing design imho generally, and criminally ignored by some. But functionally Unity seems to be improving, where with Gnome I feel like I'm losing something each release, and it's not really for me anymore.

[1roxtar]

I have to agree with you, in that Ubuntu 13.04 is utterly gorgeous. It's the Ubuntu I really love showing off again. I love the performance fixes and what Unity has evolved to, so far. I am also eager to try out Unity 8 and Mir. I'm giving Canonical the benefit of the doubt on that one.

[markbl]

I used to very much prefer Gnome Shell over Unity, but I have to say I don't like a lot of the recent changes in 3.8. I don't like what they've done to the Shell overview at all. It was much better when you had your application categories on the right hand side. Now I don't know where I am with it.
But how often do you browse through the applications? Maybe a few times when you are a newbie first installing ubuntu, and then maybe once every 6 months from then on? 99.99% of the time you start an application from the launcher/dash, or type a few characters of the name etc. I actually am not sure whether removing categories make sense either but surely it is a trivial issue which barely affects anybody even slightly experienced. GNOME Shell 3.8 has improved the activities overview massively compared to 3.6 because windows are now scaled much bigger, and scaled relatively in size, so it is easier to spot and select them. The overview is the heart and soul of GNOME Shell and is something you use every few minutes so that is something that does matter. So I think 3.8 is much better than previous GNOME Shell versions just because of this change.

I am not a fan of the changes they have made to the messaging window in GNOME Shell 3.8. The design seems to be bouncing around somewhat but hopefully they will get there. I don't care about the functions removed from Nautilus, they have been removed because there is usually a better way. The problem is that people don't like change. I think Nautilus is improved now.

[iamkuriouspurpleoranj]

People should just donate or contribute to the projects they appreciate and want to survive and not worry about telling this or that developer what he or she should do with his or her free time or make freely available to other people to download. So this thread of people who appreciate Ubuntu 13.04 and want to say so is nice and positive.

[BigSilly]

But how often do you browse through the applications? Maybe a few times when you are a newbie first installing ubuntu, and then maybe once every 6 months from then on? 99.99% of the time you start an application from the launcher/dash, or type a few characters of the name etc. I actually am not sure whether removing categories make sense either but surely it is a trivial issue which barely affects anybody even slightly experienced. GNOME Shell 3.8 has improved the activities overview massively compared to 3.6 because windows are now scaled much bigger, and scaled relatively in size, so it is easier to spot and select them. The overview is the heart and soul of GNOME Shell and is something you use every few minutes so that is something that does matter. So I think 3.8 is much better than previous GNOME Shell versions just because of this change.

I am not a fan of the changes they have made to the messaging window in GNOME Shell 3.8. The design seems to be bouncing around somewhat but hopefully they will get there. I don't care about the functions removed from Nautilus, they have been removed because there is usually a better way. The problem is that people don't like change. I think Nautilus is improved now.

OK, not to go off topic with this, but I'm not sure what you're saying. It's a trivial matter, it's not a trivial matter. :confused: I like the Shell overview a great deal, so changes to it are important to me, and not trivial at all.

For me I just don't like the change. I am very much a mouse user, and don't often type in application names to find or launch them. I use to enjoy the Shell overview with the categories on the right side. I'm not sure it "barely affects anybody", as it's something I've heard other Gnome 3 users expressing disappointment in too. And with all the good will in the world, I can't say there's anything I like about the changes to Nautilus, and not really anything I could say is a "better way". Maybe they'll get there with it though.

Look you've made me sound anti-Gnome! And I most certainly am not. Also, I don't think it's fair to say I'm just someone who doesn't like change. I jumped right in with the Gnome 3.0 release as soon as it was available (on openSUSE) and used it exclusively for a long time through to Gnome 3.4.

[BigSilly]

All this said, I will definitely give 3.8 more time and see how I feel. :)

[CJ56]

At the risk of adding confusion...

I know how BigSilly feels about some of the changes the Gnome team have made to Gnome Shell - sometimes they seem to act out of sheer perversity... But: I'm running Debian Wheezy, the latest stable version, which comes with Gnome 3.4. This for me was a sweet spot in the series, and I'm glad that Debian aren't going to upgrade it any time soon. Also, much as I like many aspects of Unity and recognise that it has a lot going for it, it sometimes seems too busy, too much like the nervous hostess forever sticking canapes under your nose. If I want to get something done, for me, simpler is better... As a result, I now use Debian a lot more than Ubuntu...

Anyway. Apologies for barging in...

[monkeybrain2012]

At the risk of adding confusion...

I know how BigSilly feels about some of the changes the Gnome team have made to Gnome Shell - sometimes they seem to act out of sheer perversity... But: I'm running Debian Wheezy, the latest stable version, which comes with Gnome 3.4. This for me was a sweet spot in the series, and I'm glad that Debian aren't going to upgrade it any time soon. Also, much as I like many aspects of Unity and recognise that it has a lot going for it, it sometimes seems too busy, too much like the nervous hostess forever sticking canapes under your nose. If I want to get something done, for me, simpler is better... As a result, I now use Debian a lot more than Ubuntu...

Anyway. Apologies for barging in...

Well Debian Wheezy is not upgrading anything anytime soon. :) That is my problem. Anyway, I have a partition running Debian SID, installed gnome shell 3.8 from experimental. Can't say I don't like it, but some parts are kind of odd, like "Files" always opens in full screen and all the + X - buttons are missing (I add them in gnome-tweak tools and they are on other applications) The applications "dash"(?) have no category but you can add them back with dconf-editor, I think some of the glitches may be the result of Debian packaging because the experiemental repo doesn't have all the pieces yet (for a while gnome-control-center for 3.8 was missing, so upgrading to 3.8 left me with no control settings) Oh, the new icon theme is nice. :)

[BigSilly]

And just like that Gnome wins me over again. Just been playing about with it on a live disc, and have to say the whole thing hooks me. I was a bit unconvinced by the app folders in the overview as I stated earlier, but actually stepping back and looking at it, it makes a lot of sense. I would really like them to expand the idea with other app folders (I still don't care for "Sundry"), such as Games, Internet programs, Office etc etc, but yes it's nice, and as a step to something great I get it. :)

[montag dp]

And just like that Gnome wins me over again. Just been playing about with it on a live disc, and have to say the whole thing hooks me. I was a bit unconvinced by the app folders in the overview as I stated earlier, but actually stepping back and looking at it, it makes a lot of sense. I would really like them to expand the idea with other app folders (I still don't care for "Sundry"), such as Games, Internet programs, Office etc etc, but yes it's nice, and as a step to something great I get it. :)You actually can have more than just "Sundry" and whatever the other default is. Open up dconf editor and navigate to org.gnome.shell. When you highlight the "shell" entry, there is a variable called app-folder-categories. You can add more app folders here, including Games, Internet, System Tools, etc. In my Gnome shell, I have this entered:

['Utilities','Sundry','Graphics','Accessories','Sys tem','Office', 'Games','Internet']

So now all of those categories show up as app folders in the overview mode. As I understand it, in future versions of Gnome this process will be a little more intuitive.

I think I still like the categories on the right better, but this is a decent substitute if you absolutely have to have your programs in categories (I like having that option, even though rarely browse through programs anyway).

[BigSilly]

You actually can have more than just "Sundry" and whatever the other default is. Open up dconf editor and navigate to org.gnome.shell. When you highlight the "shell" entry, there is a variable called app-folder-categories. You can add more app folders here, including Games, Internet, System Tools, etc. In my Gnome shell, I have this entered:

['Utilities','Sundry','Graphics','Accessories','Sys tem','Office', 'Games','Internet']

So now all of those categories show up as app folders in the overview mode. As I understand it, in future versions of Gnome this process will be a little more intuitive.

I think I still like the categories on the right better, but this is a decent substitute if you absolutely have to have your programs in categories (I like having that option, even though rarely browse through programs anyway).

Ah I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. As you say I hope they make this functionality easily discoverable and easily configurable for future releases. It's pretty neat. I think like you ultimately I still like to have the categories on the right, but this is nice and doesn't feel like a compromise. But hey, if Gnome are reading this, why not offer the user both options somehow, and let us pick which view we want to use? That would be fantastic. :)

But I'm well off topic now. Errrrm....Ubuntu 13.04 is still utterly gorgeous, no matter how cool Gnome is. :)

[vladster]

for my old hardware ubuntu was too big i had to instal lubuntu

[LordDelta]

Could we get a vid?

I'm not brave enough to take your word for it :P

[megaresp]

Agreed. 13.04 is the dog's 'bollocks'.

I'm currently trying a wide variety of distros in Virtualbox and have yet to find anything that works as well as 13.04/Unity. The much vaunted Mint/Cinnamon didn't appeal - too old fashioned.

The only thing I haven't managed to achieve with Unity is a better set of icons in the launcher. I'd like to force colour consistency and get better designs. Any suggestions?

[BigSilly]

Well, I've enjoyed my recent excursion into Gnome 3 and Shell, but it's back to Ubuntu for me. Nobody does it better. :)

[craig10x]

Well, I've enjoyed my recent excursion into Gnome 3 and Shell, but it's back to Ubuntu for me. Nobody does it better. :)

Reminds me of the title song from the James Bond movie "The Spy Who Loved Me" :D
Maybe that should be the ubuntu theme song ;)

[montag dp]

Well, I've enjoyed my recent excursion into Gnome 3 and Shell, but it's back to Ubuntu for me. Nobody does it better. :)I bet you'll keep hopping. It's too addicting. ;)

I think I've actually settled on Gnome Shell, but that's what I thought with KDE too. We'll see what happens, but I think as long as the Gnome devs don't screw it up I've definitely found my home. Anyway, isn't it great that we have so many good choices?

[DJWYMAN]

I too have been loving Ubuntu 13.04. I have always had a fascination with Linux distros and almost always had computers that dual or triple booted having windows, OSX on my macs that I have had and a linux distro that would get replaced by others as my curiosity would fancy. But This time around in trying 13.04 it has become my main OS on my ebay special dell optiplex 360. I has windows 8 on it also but I really have not used it much since installing ubuntu 2 weeks ago other than to keep it updated. I have to say ubuntu has truly matured well enough that it finally does everything I need and want out of an OS.

Now on the Gnome vs unity discussion as of a few hours ago I am kinda torn between the 2...I downloaded a live cd of ubuntu gnome 13.04 and played with it for a while. I must say I like the new gnome...then again I like unity as well. Both of them seem really awesome and both are leaps and bounds over the old gnome, cinnamon, or any of the other old looking interfaces that people seem to be stuck on. I don't want those old tired interfaces...I want new modern and that to me is what gnome 3.x and unity are is new and modern.

[markbl]

Now on the Gnome vs unity discussion as of a few hours ago I am kinda torn between the 2...I downloaded a live cd of ubuntu gnome 13.04 and played with it for a while. ..
Actually, if you just "apt-get install gnome-shell" on standard Ubuntu then you get, what I believe, is a better GNOME environment that Ubuntu GNOME because it uses the standard Ubuntu Ambiance theme and fonts which look much better than the gnome theme and fonts used on Ubuntu GNOME, IMHO.

[DJWYMAN]

Actually, if you just "apt-get install gnome-shell" on standard Ubuntu then you get, what I believe, is a better GNOME environment that Ubuntu GNOME because it uses the standard Ubuntu Ambiance theme and fonts which look much better than the gnome theme and fonts used on Ubuntu GNOME, IMHO.

would I be able to switch between gnome and unity that way? or would I have to jump threw hoops to switch between the two?

[markbl]

would I be able to switch between gnome and unity that way? or would I have to jump threw hoops to switch between the two?
Yes, that is the beauty of doing this. You just select either "Ubuntu" or "GNOME" for your session on the login window. No hoops to jump. I still have not worked out the point of the Ubuntu GNOME distribution given it is so trivial to add GNOME Shell to Ubuntu and it looks better anyhow.

Note, that you can even get GNOME Shell version 3.8 on stock Ubuntu 13.04 if you also add the GNOME 3 PPA but be aware that currently you will likely break a few things in your Unity environment if you add that ppa because Ubuntu/Unity is based on GNOME 3.6. The many posts around here you read about people breaking their Unity after installing GNOME Shell is because they added that ppa. GNOME Shell 3.8 is nice though because the activity overview is scaled much better and more efficiently than 3.6. For that reason I am currently using the ppa so I have given up the option to log in to Unity. It's only a ppa-purge away however.

[DJWYMAN]

well after trying the "apt-get install gnome shell" deal I decided it was not for me. I seemed to slow my computer down a bit and made it feel slugish so I removed it. From now on if I want to play with gnome I will just run a distro prepacked with it instead. That and playing with it more I realized it is missing some of the integration unity has with some of my stuff like the web apps and online accounts. still it does have some features I like for instance the androidish looking app drawer that just seems easier to get to your apps than unity were you have to click then either use the search bar or click over to the apps tab then click for it to show all apps.

[BigSilly]

I bet you'll keep hopping. It's too addicting. ;)

I think I've actually settled on Gnome Shell, but that's what I thought with KDE too. We'll see what happens, but I think as long as the Gnome devs don't screw it up I've definitely found my home. Anyway, isn't it great that we have so many good choices?

I'll bet you're right. It's a nightmare having so much available choice, and all of such compelling quality. Blimey, isn't Mint 15 out today with Cinnamon?

/sighs

/formats drive

:D

[neu5eeCh]

Both of them seem really awesome and both are leaps and bounds over the old gnome, cinnamon, or any of the other old looking interfaces that people seem to be stuck on. I don't want those old tired interfaces...I want new modern and that to me is what gnome 3.x and unity are is new and modern.

I downloaded and installed Voyager 13.04 (Xubuntu 13.04 with cosmetic changes) and it's easily my favorite DE. I guess you could call it an "old tired interface", but the creator of Voyager has added in slingshot (so that if I want a gnome-like overview, I can have it with a click of the mouse or key combination). If I want a mint style "expo", then that's also available with a click of the mouse or keyboard combo. And yet Xubuntu remains flexible enough that I can put the panel on the left side, something which I can't do with either Gnome or Unity and that, oddly, makes Xubuntu feel *more* modern to me. Strangely, the one tiny little thing that puts me off from either Cinnamon or Gnome is the inability to shade the windows with the mouse scroll button (standard in both Unity, Xubuntu and, I think, Lubuntu). For some strange reason, Gnome decided it made more sense to double-click the title bar?

All that said, Voyager/Xubuntu is based on 13.04 and it's the fastest, most gorgeous DE I've used to date. My hat is off to Ubuntu, without which the Lubuntus and Xubuntus of the world wouldn't be possible.

[monkeybrain2012]

Note, that you can even get GNOME Shell version 3.8 on stock Ubuntu 13.04 if you also add the GNOME 3 PPA but be aware that currently you will likely break a few things in your Unity environment if you add that ppa because Ubuntu/Unity is based on GNOME 3.6. The many posts around here you read about people breaking their Unity after installing GNOME Shell is because they added that ppa. GNOME Shell 3.8 is nice though because the activity overview is scaled much better and more efficiently than 3.6. For that reason I am currently using the ppa so I have given up the option to log in to Unity. It's only a ppa-purge away however.

If you install the Gnome3 ppa Unity's background would become blank white, there is a thread on the Ubuntu + 1 forum. It seems that the ppa is not meant to be use with Unity.

[pfeiffep]

13.04 is definitely faster than 12.10 on my 2 installations, I have a hard time with Unity so I installed Cinnamon and found the best of both worlds. I'm testing 13.10 but sadly the Cinnamon add on isn't working as yet.

I've also been testing Mint 14, but I prefer Ubuntu 13.04 so far in my testing.;)

[montag dp]

I'll bet you're right. It's a nightmare having so much available choice, and all of such compelling quality. Blimey, isn't Mint 15 out today with Cinnamon?

/sighs

/formats drive

:DJust so you know, I've noticed the Applications menu extension is now officially supported by Gnome. So far it's working for me in Gnome 3.8. It replaces the "Activities" menu with a Gnome 2 style Applications menu. Of course, you can still get the Activities menu by clicking Super or moving the mouse to the hot corner.

I like it like this and I think it's certainly better than the AppFolders thing in the Overview mode.

[BigSilly]

Just so you know, I've noticed the Applications menu extension is now officially supported by Gnome. So far it's working for me in Gnome 3.8. It replaces the "Activities" menu with a Gnome 2 style Applications menu. Of course, you can still get the Activities menu by clicking Super or moving the mouse to the hot corner.

I like it like this and I think it's certainly better than the AppFolders thing in the Overview mode.

Thanks for this. I'm getting my desktop set up today (finally!) so I will install openSUSE 12.3 Gnome and update to Gnome 3.8. Actually you guys here kinda talked me into the whole app folder thing, so I'm keen to see that. I saw some lovely set ups of it on OMG!Ubuntu! and I'd like to try them out. :)

[monkeybrain2012]

Hi, just a question to those who use gnome shell 3.8. When nautilus is maximized the title bar on top disappears (along with the x + - buttons) This is inconsistent with all other applications and it is very annoying because I can't make it shows again and the window cannot be unmaximized or resized (cannot drag it with the mouse) Do you experience this problem and do you know a fix?

For reference, http://askubuntu.com/questions/289940/remove-title-bar-of-all-maximized-gnome-3-8-windows This guy asked the opposite question, he wants the title bar to be hidden for all applications when maximized like nautilus, I want nautilus to behave like the rest.

Thanks.

[markbl]

@monkeybrain2012, I could not understand what you were talking about because I use gnome-shell on stock Ubuntu 13.04 + GNOME 3 ppa and I don't see this problem. However, I have an install of Ubuntu GNOME 13.04 in Vritualbox and find you are correct. Maximising nautilus causes it to lose it's title bar so you can not resize it again. It looks to be an Adwaita theme bug because I could fix it by using gnome tweak tool to change the theme to the standard Ubuntu Ambiance theme (which looks better anyhow IMHO). Do "apt-get install light-themes" to get the Ambiance theme.

[BigSilly]

Although we're way off topic now (sorry all), I have to say unless I'm misunderstanding I don't think it's a bug, rather the direction Gnome are heading with chrome-less windows. If you maximise Nautilus, the way to reduce it is to grab the uppermost part of the window with the mouse and pull down, which should be working for you. I think doing it with Nautilus first is their way of experimenting with the concept, which is why you don't see it with Firefox or Libre Office etc. Apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

[monkeybrain2012]

@monkeybrain2012, I could not understand what you were talking about because I use gnome-shell on stock Ubuntu 13.04 + GNOME 3 ppa and I don't see this problem. However, I have an install of Ubuntu GNOME 13.04 in Vritualbox and find you are correct. Maximising nautilus causes it to lose it's title bar so you can not resize it again. It looks to be an Adwaita theme bug because I could fix it by using gnome tweak tool to change the theme to the standard Ubuntu Ambiance theme (which looks better anyhow IMHO). Do "apt-get install light-themes" to get the Ambiance theme.

Hi, I will change another theme and see what happens. Actually I am on Debian rather than Ubuntu so the Ambiance theme may be hard to get

[monkeybrain2012]

Although we're way off topic now (sorry all), I have to say unless I'm misunderstanding I don't think it's a bug, rather the direction Gnome are heading with chrome-less windows. If you maximise Nautilus, the way to reduce it is to grab the uppermost part of the window with the mouse and pull down, which should be working for you..

No it doesn't work, can't grab anything. It works for all other applications except Nautilus. I am not sure whether it is a gnome "feature" or a Debian packaging problem (gnome 3.8 is in Debian experimental where some pieces may be missing or in conflict with each other) so I would like to ask people who use gnome 3.8 in a different platform and see if they experience the same thing.

Sorry for derailing the thread. :)

[montag dp]

No it doesn't work, can't grab anything. It works for all other applications except Nautilus. I am not sure whether it is a gnome "feature" or a Debian packaging problem (gnome 3.8 is in Debian experimental where some pieces may be missing or in conflict with each other) so I would like to ask people who use gnome 3.8 in a different platform and see if they experience the same thing.

Sorry for derailing the thread. :)I'm on Ubuntu GNOME 13.04, so I'm not sure this is helpful. For me, maximizing Nautilus does remove the buttons (which I find annoying and pointless) but I can revert it back to its non-maximized size by pulling down on the top with the mouse.

[BigSilly]

No it doesn't work, can't grab anything....

Ah right I see. Something must be wrong then, because like Montag above I can grab the window as stated and reduce it from maximise. This is on Gnome 3.8.2 on openSUSE 12.3. Perhaps try tinkering with a couple of settings in Tweak Tool, such as having the file manager handle the desktop...? Might be worth a punt. Sounds like a bug either way.

[trivialpackets]

You really are allowed to create a new support thread for your gnome issues, they don't cost anything. ;-)

Just installing 13.04. To this point, only used it in a VM, but going to install it on my old ubuntu 12.10 work laptop. I concur that it's a beautiful OS/Desktop Environment now and I am looking forward to it. Wish I had a higher end laptop to put it on, but it will do.

[BigSilly]

You really are allowed to create a new support thread for your gnome issues, they don't cost anything. ;-)

Just installing 13.04. To this point, only used it in a VM, but going to install it on my old ubuntu 12.10 work laptop. I concur that it's a beautiful OS/Desktop Environment now and I am looking forward to it. Wish I had a higher end laptop to put it on, but it will do.

It just sort of went that way!

But I agree, this one is way off topic now. Mods, please close and I'll probably start a Gnome 3 thread over in Desktop Environments or something. Plus, my apologies and thanks.

[Perfect Storm]

Done.