Ubuntu 13.04

[gordie69]

Just wondering I have Ubuntu 12.10 64 bit on and when an upgrade came up the 13.04 said it was ready is it better then 12.10 more feature and drivers and it shouldn't erase what I have on my 12.10 correct

I was just curious what the 13.04 was like now that the beta is finished, reason why is that I was dual booting with Windows 7 but windows was giving me a headache again and I was running 12.04 and thought I'd give 12.10 a try

[2F4U]

You will get newer software but also a shorter support period (6 month)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

So in fact 12.10 will be supported for a longer time than 13.04.

[craig10x]

13.04 does have a lot of improvements over 12.10...even though it will have a shorter support cycle...actually, it's 9 months now (not 6) it use to be 18 months on the 6 month releases...
but from 13.04 you should be able to upgrade to 12.10 in October, and perhaps even to 14.04 (the next Long Term Release) after that (or re-install on the 14.04 release)...

[gordie69]

thanks craig10x and if I did upgrade to the 13.04 I should notice 13.10 should be there for end of 13.04 correct or no. I did here that they were only a short support but with so many distro of ubuntu I suppose it's hard to keep them running great

[craig10x]

You are very welcome :)
Yes, when 13.10 goes final, then the software updater will offer to upgrade you to 13.10 (make sure you have the software sources set to notify you of all available versions)...

When 14.10 comes out, which will be the LTS (Long Term Release) which come out every 2 years, at that point you might want to do a fresh install for it...and that will have like 5 years of updates,
although what you might want to do at that point is to start a LTS to LTS cycle and only change every 2 years (ex: 14.04 16.04, etc) just so you can get some of the newer software and features...

I was thinking about doing that very plan myself... ;)

[gordie69]

Thanks craig10x wow ubuntu sure is growing I love it and I'm not missing Windows 7 at all since now I'm running 12.10 64 bit and everything I have works unlike windows ubuntu team does great work. My wife has a toshiba laptop with only 2 gigs of ram and and intel core 2 duo and I put Linux Mint 14 64 on it and reason because it's a Ubuntu family distro but she has no issues at all.
I only bank and surf read my forums and thats pretty much it so I wanted Ubuntu for security because I heard they had a better security then windows and I like now 12.10 has that extra password and admin

[craig10x]

Yeah, i have been running linux for 5 years now and it still amazes me how with no virus scanner i have not gotten one single virus, malware, trojan, and all those other windows "goodies"...
Would be interested to hear how the upgrade went if you decide to do it...

I'll be doing my first at 13.10 final release...figuring the worse that could happen is i end up doing a clean install, which i would have done anyway... ;)

[iamkuriouspurpleoranj]

This hasn't been my experience. 13.04 shows a marked improvement in performance over 12.10.

It's certainly true that it pays to check out the alternatives - as it always does in life - but honestly, having tried everything else, I don't think Ubuntu deserves the criticism it gets.

Manjaro releases, for example, are hit and miss and when I get it installed I'll typically be thrown to the command line when updating. If that was Ubuntu, people brandishing pitchforks and vicious faces would already have stormed Canonical's offices.

Cards on the table, though, I think Canonical's commercial vision faces challenges in terms of where it can actually go next and to what extent Ubuntu can remain conceptually/philosophically the Ubuntu that the Linux community grew to love. It's clear that Canonical are now going after other users and I meet more and more normal people who run Linux, typically Ubuntu.

However, a very vocal section of the community rightly or wrongly consisently criticises Ubuntu on aesthetic, ethical and moral grounds and new users are exposed to this kind of negativism without being in a position to validate it.

Furthermore, the open nature of the community means that saboteurs, ninjas and the like from commercial rivals of Ubuntu can easily infiltrate the community. Not only the usual agents of Mordor or Apple, but also other commercial Linux rivals such as Oracle, Red Hat and Novell may or may not also be involved in this kind of practice.

Not all criticism is valid or well-intentioned.

So, when I see a post that reads "I hate Mordor too but the Shire sucks and you shouldn't go there" I take it with a pinch of salt. It's a template I've seen again and again in life. Bond first, attack second (or is it "Bond firsht, women and children shecond?").

That said, I think Ubuntu testers have a tendency to spare the rod and spoil the child. While 13.04 was in development, the dev pages here were awash with eulogy.

This is natural.

When you like something, you tend to turn a blind eye to its faults. Quite reasonably, Ubuntu is being tested by people who value and appreciate it.

However, I think testers would be doing a greater service to Ubuntu and the community by showing it a little more tough love during testing.

As for "the new Mordor", give it a rest.

Businesses are commercial by their very nature. Canonical looking to make a profit by selling stuff is not something even Debian or Richard Stallman disagree with (I have links, if you need sources).

Canonical will only be the new Mordor when we are using their products against our will. At the moment, Canonical is supporting and steering (increasingly with a firmer hand, it must be said) a free of charge and open source operating system. I don't agree with the shopping lens but ethically/morally it is on the same level as many other things people who complain about it are engaged in.

Should you be concerned about these issues? Undoutedly. Should you weaken the possibility for ordinary people like you and me to have a viable alternative to Windows and a healthy commercial ecosystem by singling Canonical/Ubuntu out in this respect? You decide. Personally, I don't think so.

Aaron Schwartz was not to my knowledge running Linux or active in the FSF. He was active in the arena of the open web and felt very strongly about our freedom on the internet. These things are important.

If you don't like Ubuntu, use something else and move on. Problem solved.