Ubuntu 4.10 (2004) VS Ubuntu 12.10 (2012)

[12padams]

A lot of Ubuntu fans seem to despise the fact that Ubuntu now uses Unity as its default user interface. Well I let my mum try out the first ever version of Ubuntu as it was back in 2004 with the highly customizable gnome desktop environment. What version of Ubuntu (pretending compatibility/hardware support and drivers was identical) do you like better? What is easier to use and what looks nicer?

Oh and yes... I have Ubuntu 12.10 running on my surface pro and touch screen works but the high resolution makes everything way to tiny to touch with ease...

Check out my mum's opinion of both operating systems below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFzipMH-4g0

[mastablasta]

virtual desktops were already present before. i know i saw them on first red hat i tired back in the 90's.

what about KDE and then KDE for tablets (plasma or what's it called). especially with classic menu it looks like winxp enhanced

[12padams]

Yea I wonder what distro had that multiple desktop feature first...

[MadmanRB]

Probably slackware

[VietCanada]

I've installed, used and or played with every MS OS from ME to 8 and every Ubuntu version from 10.4 to 12.10. I began with Amiga of some version. The Amiga was the best IMHO. I could write programs in Amiga Basic which was terrific. Deleting a file simply involved moving it's icon into the trash. Even partitioning the HDD was simple. ME was the worst. It crashed everytime I tried to 'clean up' the HD until someone told me about their update center and that I needed an update to fix that problem. MS was just so much work to install. All the security software that had to be installed, all the settings to change, the updates. IMO that has just gotten worse with every new MS OS. Just opening IE or MSMedia was a chore with all the questions that had to be answered before I could even use those programs. So then I had to search and install more user friendly programs like VLC and Firefox just adding to the hours of work to set up an MS system. Get a virus? have to do it all over again. Not mention the hours spent cleaning the computer and updating all the security software weekly.

I went Ubuntu and it was great. As with MS I can no longer write programs with a superbly documented Basic language but it did what I wanted without all the work. I surf the net, use productivity (office, making DVDs or CDs) software from time to time, play a couple games, watch movies on my TV through the software and hardware on my PC.

I don't hate Unity but it is a throwback to times when OSs required a lot of work to use and setup. As the tester in the video pointed out 'why hide things that you use?' for example. Searching for LIbre office to write a document is just classic. How can you search for things that you don't know the name of? Obviously selecting a drop down menu with programs clearly labelled, organized and pictured is much more intuitive.

I can sit back in a chair in my family room with my wireless mouse and keyboard and select a movie to watch on my 42" TV while playing a game on my monitor screen. But not any more. Ubuntu lost the capability to use two monitors with their own resolutions at 11.04. So after much searching I found Mint Mate 13 which still has that option.

MS 8 and Ubuntu 12.04 have more in common than they differ. Both take a lot of work to set up and use. It is very difficult and unintuitive to find programs. Neither allow the user to operate two monitors at their own resolutions. The TV can be the monitor. This is not moving into the future. This is sacrificing friendliness for trendiness. Today I watched a hockey game over the net on my big TV while surfing and taking part in a message board about the game on my PC monitor. Is that the future now because it was the past for over 10 years.

I enjoyed your video. I had never seen Ubuntu 4 before but yeah the user friendliness and intuitiveness is so clearly presented along with some wonderfully logical observations by the tester. Nicely done. Well underlined of course by the impossibility of pushing those little buttons with fingers. Imagine a work station or desk with piles of documents between the user and the monitor or just the distance between my 42" TV and me on my chair. Looks like someone is going to have to re-invent the remote control. This time for PCs with supposedly futuristic OSs. Touch screen for PCs is not the future. It is a MacDonalds cash register. The past. Try again.

[craig10x]

Actually, unity is just a dock bar that happens to be on the left side of the screen (instead of the bottom as it is on mac osx...though one can take the mac osx dock bar and put it on the left, just like unity)...
so, what is hard, or difficult or un-intuitive about it?

I never liked the original ubuntu layout with the two panels...when surfing, it wastes screen real estate (the 2 panels) and there is no search menu, just a fan out menu listing all the applications, and that takes much longer to navigate than using unity and having all your favorites and frequently used apps on the bar for quick 1 click access...and you have the "dash" (search) for typing in the rarely used ones, and it brings them up real fast...

For quite some time, i had switched to linux mint because even having a lower panel only with slab menu (that has a search) was easier to use...the introduction of unity on ubuntu actually brought me back!

[kevdog]

Not saying anything -- this video has nothing to do really with modern Ubuntu vs Old Ubuntu -- rather a comparison of Gnome2 vs Unity. I'm wondering if you redid the experiment and set your mom up with something lets say like Mate or Cinammon on "Modern Ubuntu" what she would say. If your comparing defaults "out of the box", I guess this video has some relevance, however I believe you would be able to tweak a modern install to something of your liking -- in addition to getting a lot more with the kernel, newer packages, etc.

[SuperFreak]

Mothers are always right:P

[Tamlynmac]

There's a couple of things that can be pointed out.

1. What's referred to as the original layout, didn't require two panels. One could easily delete one of the panels and gain back landscape. At least, for as long as I've used Ubuntu (7.04).

2. Individual opinion is only relevant to said individual. With all the available Linux options, why complain about Unity or any DE. Try Xubuntu (it's still configurable) and I wonder how mum would enjoy that?

Complaining here does little to inform the devs of one's opinion. Thus, the only feedback one will receive here is likely to be other Ubuntu (or other Linux flavor) users. The majority of which will probably support the product. If one's truly concerned and dissatisfied, I suggest they notify the Canonical devs directly. Anything here will probably not be viewed by said devs, as the forums don't regularly share information with them and to my knowledge - historically they haven't spend much time here.

Just my $0.02

[craig10x]

By the way, he has other videos...he has his mom trying a LOT of distros....she did like linux mint somewhat better then ubuntu w/unity i think (my impression from what she said) it reminded her more of the windows 7 style layout...but i also remember her mentioning that she thought unity wasn't bad and a heck of a lot better then Windows 8 (which she also tried on video)...

[mastablasta]

i found it interesting that his mom is saying things what most people in my company would say. i do not work in IT, so most colleagues would say things like that.

and so the helpdesk gives instructions such as: "go to desktop. double clik E." was searching for that E for quite some time. it didn't occur to me immediatelly that they want me to open the internet exporer.

[Bucky Ball]

Try xfce4 installed on the latest version (I stick to LTS versions myself and play with others on spare partitions).

If that 4.10 machine is online I would get it offline. It's a security risk. There hasn't been security updates, or any other kind, for years. The software - apps etc. - would also be extremely outdated.

[TenPlus1]

Nice video and it does seem that gnome is moving backwards, there are some new features but the simple one's are lacking like intuative menu's and easy theme changing... Will stick with Lubuntu 13.04 since that just works for me...

Oh yeah, regarding workspaces and virtual desktops: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_desktop