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slimdog360
July 8th, 2006, 08:16 AM
Shouldnt the e have an accent- --> café

I know it doesnt matter and Im not saying change it because I dont care, but Im bored and I just realised that it has always (at least as long as Ive been using these fourms) been spelt cafe.
Unless its one of the new trendy things, in which case Im wrong.

edit:Okay Ive been proved wrong, though I never meant it to be such discussion point, rather it was me pointing out a small observation that I had made while I was bored.

For the record, I understand it should be cafe (without the accent) and I should have wrote spelled rather than spelt.

atoponce
July 8th, 2006, 08:26 AM
Shouldnt the e have an accent- --> café

I know it doesnt matter and Im not saying change it because I dont care, but Im bored and I just realised that it has always (at least as long as Ive been using these fourms) been spelt cafe.
Unless its one of the new trendy things, in which case Im wrong. I am going to pick on you here, but I find it funny that you pick on punctuation and spelling, but your spelling is a little off. You should be using the word "spelled" rather than "spelt". From Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=define+spelt), "spelt" is defined as:


hardy wheat grown mostly in Europe for livestock feed
:p

slimdog360
July 8th, 2006, 08:29 AM
Like I said before, I dont care. But yes thankyou for pointing that out, though, 'hardy wheat grown mostly in Europe for livestock feed' is only one definition.

Titus A Duxass
July 8th, 2006, 08:34 AM
Spelt is okay for us English folks.
Cafe should have an accent, but this is gradually fading away because of computers, texting, etc. where it is a timely exercise to select the correct international character.

Slimdog is your apostrophie key broken?

slimdog360
July 8th, 2006, 08:37 AM
Slimdog is your apostrophie key broken?
No, but it's quicker typing with out it. Oh and you need a capital letter at the start of sentences, also you didnt need the comma before etc.

KrisDwyer
July 8th, 2006, 08:44 AM
T.A.D I was just about to say the same thing.

Footissimo
July 8th, 2006, 09:08 AM
No, but it's quicker typing with?out it.

Hey Slim, is your space key stuck?

infoseeker
July 8th, 2006, 09:22 AM
Just to keep this highly technical thread alive, how the hell do you type
caféanyway :D

P.S. 'doesnt' should be 'doesn't' :D

tseliot
July 8th, 2006, 09:28 AM
Have a look at Cambridge's dictionary:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=10753&dict=CALD

Both "cafe" and "café" are there

slimdog360
July 8th, 2006, 09:48 AM
Just to keep this highly technical thread alive, how the hell do you typeanyway :D

P.S. 'doesnt' should be 'doesn't' :D
Right click on either the top or bottom panel and select add to panel. Down the bottom, character palette, you just click the character that you want then paste it into the page.
I love those little things in ubuntu. Wanda the fish and the deskbar tools are also very cool.
P.S. you didn't use even one period in you post.

slimdog360
July 8th, 2006, 09:50 AM
Hey Slim, is your space key stuck?
Without is a compound word, no space. See I can nitpick at stupid things that no one cares about too.

infoseeker
July 8th, 2006, 10:10 AM
Right click on either the top or bottom panel and select add to panel. Down the bottom, character palette, you just click the character that you want then paste it into the page.

OMG. tytyty. That's really handy. :D

Randomskk
July 8th, 2006, 10:39 AM
Spelt is okay for us English folks.
Cafe should have an accent, but this is gradually fading away because of computers, texting, etc. where it is a timely exercise to select the correct international character.

Slimdog is your apostrophie key broken?


No, but it's quicker typing with out it. Oh and you need a capital letter at the start of sentences, also you didnt need the comma before etc.

Huh?
He does have a capital letter at the start of sentences, and actually you CAN have that comma (http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutother/oxfordcomma) before etc, although it's more used like that in England I imagine.
If by capital letter you meant after etc, then nope - the . there symbolises that he hasn't written out all the word, not that he's ending a sentence.

Titus A Duxass
July 8th, 2006, 10:43 AM
@ Randomskk - Thank you.

Titus A Duxass
July 8th, 2006, 10:47 AM
"I must hae misread it oh and your a tool"

Was that really necessary?
This was a light hearted thread and then you go and call someone a tool!

Nice!

slimdog360
July 8th, 2006, 10:53 AM
"I must hae misread it oh and your a tool"

Was that really necessary?
This was a light hearted thread and then you go and call someone a tool!

Nice!
Yeah, sorry for that. When I started this thread it wasnt (note the absence of an apostrophe) to nitpick at other peoples spelling. It was just a small observation that I made and decided to post it.
I know alot of people do not have english as their fist language and it can be hard for them at times.

Titus A Duxass
July 8th, 2006, 10:58 AM
Apology accepted.
We could sit all day and banter about the English language and its variations, punctuation, etc.

I personally feel very strong about trying keep it correct and clear so that none native speakers understand.

fuscia
July 8th, 2006, 12:54 PM
smelts on spelt toast, topped with cheddar = spelt smelts melt

Titus A Duxass
July 8th, 2006, 01:19 PM
"smelts on spelt toast, topped with cheddar = spelt smelts melt"

Sounds quite disgusting!

Cucumber tasting fish with melted strong cheese.

fuscia
July 8th, 2006, 02:27 PM
thin skinned = svelt pelts

richbarna
July 8th, 2006, 03:31 PM
Café is coffee in Spanish.
Cafe is short for Cafeteria (so as it's an abbreviation, we don't need an accent over the e English).

I am a bilingual English teacher, do not argue with me, or you will have to stay after school and write 100 lines, like Bart Simpson :) :-
"I must not argue about spelling with Rich"

fuscia
July 8th, 2006, 04:43 PM
groping in ireland = celts felt

atoponce
July 8th, 2006, 05:36 PM
groping in ireland = celts felt You're enjoying this, aren't you? :)

aysiu
July 8th, 2006, 05:57 PM
Just for the record, it's not a matter of being nitpicky--it's a false correction.

The word cafe does not have an accent mark on it.

It is not spelled or spelt incorrectly (both spelled and spelt are correct spellings of the past tense of spell). Cafe is the way it should be written, at least according to Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cafe).

This discussion reminds me too much of all the misused so-and-so and I phrases I hear nigh-daily:
I feel like she's just not respecting Shirley and I sends shivers down my ex-English teacher back.

Kibbo
July 8th, 2006, 06:03 PM
[QUOTE=richbarna;1228681]Café is coffee in Spanish.
Cafe is short for Cafeteria (so as it's an abbreviation, we don't need an accent over the e English).
/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure that the word Cafe (with the accent) was first used to denote an establishment in France, and we imported the word in that context from them. Probably from the writings of "The Lost Generation," who decided that loafing around in Parisian cafes was the only noble occupation a young man could have in the 20s.

I also thought that dropping accents from foriegn words was acceptable in written english, due to the fact that we don't have accents natively.

Then again, I may just be too lazy to figure out how to type them.

fuscia
July 8th, 2006, 06:05 PM
You're enjoying this, aren't you? :)

soothing of pain = welt melt

kassetra
July 8th, 2006, 06:17 PM
One little note here:
it wouldn't matter if it were spelt (yummy, spelt bread...) with an accent... we would not use the accent as it might cause bunches of issues with people that read these forums using some forms of character encoding. We try to keep the forums as "basic" in terms of character requirements as possible.

:)

*sorry for all of our Non-Latin-Based-Language speakers!

zenwhen
July 8th, 2006, 06:23 PM
I spelt dis rong

richbarna
July 9th, 2006, 10:22 PM
I spelt dis rong

It wuz da wey he wuz brunged up when he wuz children :)


cafe (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cafe) http://www.etymonline.com/graphics/dictionary.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cafe)1802, from Fr. café "coffee, coffeehouse," from It. caffe "coffee."

cafeteria (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cafeteria) http://www.etymonline.com/graphics/dictionary.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cafeteria)1839, Amer.Eng. from Mexican Sp. cafeteria "coffee store." The ending -teria in this word came to be popularly understood as meaning "help-yourself" (as though café + -teria and was extended to new formation with that sense from c.1923.

Also in Spanish (Spain)the accent is cafetería, so abbreviated is cafe (no accent on the e).

~LoKe
July 9th, 2006, 10:55 PM
Cafe is one of those words stolen from the French. It's common to use their words and phrases as our own, much like "vis-a-vis" or "deja-vu" (sorry, no accents on this computer.) "Cafe" is the acceptable spelling according to most, if not all, English dictionaries.

Spelt, smelt, dealt, learnt, etcetera are a all acceptable forms of their counter-parts.

GuitarHero
July 10th, 2006, 12:21 AM
Spelt is not a word. Where did you get that it is acceptable?

Skia_42
July 10th, 2006, 01:20 AM
Spelt is not a word. Where did you get that it is acceptable?
I looked up "spelt" with the Ubuntu App Dictionary 2.14.0 and It is a word:

Spelt

Spell \Spell\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Spelled}or {Spelt}; p. pr. &
vb. n. {Spelling}.] [OE. spellen, spellien, tell, relate, AS.
spellian, fr. spell a saying, tale; akin to MHG. spellen to
relate, Goth. spill?n.e {Spell} a tale. In sense 4 and those
following, OE. spellen, perhaps originally a different word,
and from or influenced by spell a splinter, from the use of a
piece of wood to point to the letters in schools: cf. D.
spellen to spell. Cf. {Spell} splinter.]
1. To tell; to relate; to teach. [Obs.]
[1913 Webster]

Might I that legend find,
By fairies spelt in mystic rhymes. --T. Warton.
[1913 Webster]

2. To put under the influence of a spell; to affect by a
spell; to bewitch; to fascinate; to charm. "Spelled with
words of power." --Dryden.
[1913 Webster]

He was much spelled with Eleanor Talbot. --Sir G.
Buck.
[1913 Webster]

3. To constitute; to measure. [Obs.]
[1913 Webster]

The Saxon heptarchy, when seven kings put together
did spell but one in effect. --Fuller.
[1913 Webster]

4. To tell or name in their proper order letters of, as a
word; to write or print in order the letters of, esp. the
proper letters; to form, as words, by correct orthography.
[1913 Webster]

The word "satire" ought to be spelled with i, and
not with y. --Dryden.
[1913 Webster]

5. To discover by characters or marks; to read with
difficulty; -- usually with out; as, to spell out the
sense of an author; to spell out a verse in the Bible.
[1913 Webster]

To spell out a God in the works of creation.
--South.
[1913 Webster]

To sit spelling and observing divine justice upon
every accident. --Milton.
[1913 Webster]

-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

Spelt \Spelt\,
imp. & p. p. of {Spell}. Spelled.
[1913 Webster]

-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

Spelt \Spelt\, n. [AS. spelt, fr. L. spelta.] (Bot.)
A species of grain ({Triticum Spelta}) much cultivated for
food in Germany and Switzerland; -- called also {German
wheat}.
[1913 Webster]

-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

Spelt \Spelt\, n. [See {Spalt}.] (Metal.)
Spelter. [Colloq.]
[1913 Webster]

-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

Spelt \Spelt\, v. t. & i. [See {Spell} a splinter.]
To split; to break; to spalt. [Obs.] --Mortimer.
[1913 Webster]

-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

spell
n 1: a psychological state induced by (or as if induced by) a
magical incantation [syn: {enchantment}, {trance}]
2: a time for working (after which you will be relieved by
someone else); "it's my go"; "a spell of work" [syn: {go},
{tour}, {turn}]
3: a period of indeterminate length (usually short) marked by
some action or condition; "he was here for a little
while"; "I need to rest for a piece"; "a spell of good
weather"; "a patch of bad weather" [syn: {while}, {piece},
{patch}]
4: a verbal formula believed to have magical force; "he
whispered a spell as he moved his hands"; "inscribed
around its base is a charm in Balinese" [syn: {magic spell},
{charm}]
v 1: recite the letters of or give the spelling of; "How do you
spell this word?"
2: indicate or signify; "I'm afraid this spells trouble!" [syn:
{import}]
3: write or name the letters that comprise the conventionally
accepted form of (a word or part of a word); "He spelled
the word wrong in this letter" [syn: {write}]
4: place under a spell [ant: {unspell}]
[also: {spelt}]

-- From WordNet (r) 2.0

spelt
n : hardy wheat grown mostly in Europe for livestock feed [syn:
{Triticum spelta}, {Triticum aestivum spelta}]

-- From WordNet (r) 2.0

spelt
See {spell}

-- From WordNet (r) 2.0


Man I love that application...

DoktorSeven
July 10th, 2006, 06:35 AM
Yoo gize cant speyl owr rite wurth netheng.

Titus A Duxass
July 10th, 2006, 06:53 AM
Hey GuitarHero you had better get a new dictionary!

According to the Oxford English Dictionary (probably the best for English) spelt is the the past and the past participle of spell.

fuscia
July 10th, 2006, 07:36 AM
do you people realize that 'gullible' is not in any dictionary?

gingermark
July 10th, 2006, 07:41 AM
You know, any discussion of the English language on an American-based forum with Aussies, Yanks, Brits and others is gonna end in tears.

"Spelt" is perfectly acceptable in the UK, in fact it is a far older form of the past tense of "to spell" than "spelled".

But I'm not even gonna get into how the Yanks butchered our language ;)

slimdog360
July 10th, 2006, 08:12 AM
do you people realize that 'gullible' is not in any dictionary?
haha, you almost had me there for a second.

angkor
July 10th, 2006, 08:17 AM
Slimdog is your apostrophie key broken?

Since we are in English class here: apostrophie should be apostrophe. :)

Lopsicle
July 10th, 2006, 08:20 AM
What a load of "hollocks" :p

aysiu
July 10th, 2006, 08:22 AM
You know, any discussion of the English language on an American-based forum with Aussies, Yanks, Brits and others is gonna end in tears.

"Spelt" is perfectly acceptable in the UK, in fact it is a far older form of the past tense of "to spell" than "spelled".

But I'm not even gonna get into how the Yanks butchered our language ;)
spelt is fine in America, too.

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