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Dry Lips
January 15th, 2013, 09:33 PM
I just got a AMD X4 Phenom 965 today for my windows desktop/Ubuntu server box, but unfortunately the stock fan was extremely noisy. Even with Cool and Quiet enabled, the fan runs at 4100 RPM idle, and during load it can run as high as 6k RPM.


As far as I can tell the temps are cool and nice, but I find the noise really annoying. Now, I've still got the cooler that I used with my previous processor, a AMD X2 64 6400+. Would it be safe to use my old cooler instead of this? (- Also stock -). I never saw it run above 3900 RPM, and it was almost impossible to hear, even under high load. (I'm not over clocking or anything like that.) Strangely enough my old cooler looks very similar to the new one, so the only thing that I worry about is whether or not it would be able to adequately cool my CPU.


Any thoughts?

mips
January 15th, 2013, 10:11 PM
Try the old cooler with some new thermal paste, it can't hurt. If you need a aftermarket cooler look at the Hyper TX 2 - Cooler Master

CharlesA
January 15th, 2013, 11:55 PM
Evo 212 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099) works wonders too.

I've got that one in my server.

Sidenote: The Athlon 64 X2 6400+ is a 125W CPU, where the Phenom II X4 965 is a 140W CPU.

Keep that in mind.

Dry Lips
January 16th, 2013, 12:24 AM
Evo 212 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099) works wonders too.

I've got that one in my server.

Sidenote: The Athlon 64 X2 6400+ is a 125W CPU, where the Phenom II X4 965 is a 140W CPU.

Keep that in mind.

In other words, your suggesting that the old fan might struggle to keep the X4 965 cool?

I guess getting a new fan is an option, but I then again if the one I had lying around was okay, then I'd not bother...

CharlesA
January 16th, 2013, 12:45 AM
In other words, your suggesting that the old fan might struggle to keep the X4 965 cool?

Normally the stock fans are tailored to the CPU they are being sold with, it is is possible. Granted the machine would probably power down if the CPU got too hot, but there is still a risk.

pqwoerituytrueiwoq
January 16th, 2013, 01:14 AM
Evo 212 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099) works wonders too.

I've got that one in my server.

Sidenote: The Athlon 64 X2 6400+ is a 125W CPU, where the Phenom II X4 965 is a 140W CPU.

Keep that in mind.
there is a phenom II 965 that is 125W, i have one in this computer with my hyper 212 evo cooling it, low 30s idle and 51c max (45C max @ stock config)
i put a Hyper TX3 (130w TDP) on my mom's chip (same as mine) since a hyper 212 (180W TDP) is too big for her case
CPU Coolers (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050001333%2040000574&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=574|35-103-064^35-103-064-TS%2C35-103-065^35-103-065-TS%2C35-103-099^35-103-099-TS)
+1 for hyper 212 evo

you can try under volting the chip to lower temps (verifying stability takes a long time, for a server 8hrs of prime95/mprime)

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20II%20X4%20965%20-%20HDX965FBK4DGM.html locked 125W
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20II%20X4%20965%20Black%20Edition%20-%20HDZ965FBK4DGM%20%28HDZ965FBGMBOX%29.html unlocked 125w
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20II%20X4%20965%20Black%20Edition%20-%20HDZ965FBK4DGI%20%28HDZ965FBGIBOX%29.html unlocked 140w


a side air duct really helps the cpu stay cool, if you want to make one for your case
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12189455&postcount=9

CharlesA
January 16th, 2013, 01:28 AM
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20II%20X4%20965%20-%20HDX965FBK4DGM.html locked 125W
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20II%20X4%20965%20Black%20Edition%20-%20HDZ965FBK4DGM%20%28HDZ965FBGMBOX%29.html unlocked 125w
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20II%20X4%20965%20Black%20Edition%20-%20HDZ965FBK4DGI%20%28HDZ965FBGIBOX%29.html unlocked 140w

Nice links. It looks like the one I have is the 125W version.

QIII
January 16th, 2013, 01:56 AM
OEM HSFs make decent door stops.

I have a Hyper 212 EVO on a Phenom II x4 BE that runs at 75% 24/7 doing a BOINC project and it does a good job with just the one fan it came with.

Dry Lips
January 16th, 2013, 02:23 AM
For the records... Seems like the one I've got is the unlocked 125W version... How would you go ahead undervolting the chip, btw? Couldn't find any such option in the BIOS... (Might not have looked everywhere, though).

CharlesA
January 16th, 2013, 02:25 AM
For the records... Seems like the one I've got is the unlocked 125W version... How would you go ahead undervolting the chip, btw? Couldn't find any such option in the BIOS... (Might not have looked everywhere, though).

Depends on the BIOS/mobo. I found it in M.I.T. (or something like that) on my Gigabyte board.

Bandit
January 16th, 2013, 03:15 AM
Evo 212 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099) works wonders too.

I've got that one in my server.

Sidenote: The Athlon 64 X2 6400+ is a 125W CPU, where the Phenom II X4 965 is a 140W CPU.

Keep that in mind.

I 2nd the Hyper 212+

If you have height issues and dont use ram with tall heat spreaders, the 212's cousin the GeminII from CM is a great choice as well.. But if you got the room, the Hyper 212+ is hands down best solution for the money. Only real way to get better cooling is to go water.

CharlesA
January 16th, 2013, 03:18 AM
I 2nd the Hyper 212+

If you have height issues and dont use ram with tall heat spreaders, the 212's cousin the GeminII from CM is a great choice as well.. But if you got the room, the Hyper 212+ is hands down best solution for the money. Only real way to get better cooling is to go water.

Indeed. I ran into problems with mounting the fan on my server due the the heat sinks on the RAM, so I just flipped the fan to the opposite side of the heatsink. Still cools like a beast too.

Bandit
January 16th, 2013, 03:49 AM
Indeed. I ran into problems with mounting the fan on my server due the the heat sinks on the RAM, so I just flipped the fan to the opposite side of the heatsink. Still cools like a beast too.

LOL did the same on my gaming rig, but I had planned that anyway to cool the VRMs. :lolflag:

pqwoerituytrueiwoq
January 17th, 2013, 04:57 AM
For the records... Seems like the one I've got is the unlocked 125W version... How would you go ahead undervolting the chip, btw? Couldn't find any such option in the BIOS... (Might not have looked everywhere, though).
1st you need to find your stock voltage, mine was under 1.3V (it varies for each individual chip, even among the same model number), look in the system monitor in the bios
then you go into your bios's over clocking section and set the voltage lower than what it currently uses
OEM motherboards (eg dell, hp, etc) don't let you overclock, so this is not a option
if the cpu does not have enough voltage (vcore) the cpu will not be able to compute properly, at which point you have 2 choices. increase the voltage or lower the multiplier (17 is stock for your cpu)
overclocking works the same just you increase the multiplier then the vcore to get it stable
giving a chip too much vcore will damage the cpu, under volting is completely safe, the same stability test are required for both, i suggest you go to a overclocking forum for more info on this

Dry Lips
January 20th, 2013, 06:32 PM
1st you need to find your stock voltage, mine was under 1.3V (it varies for each individual chip, even among the same model number), look in the system monitor in the bios
then you go into your bios's over clocking section and set the voltage lower than what it currently uses
OEM motherboards (eg dell, hp, etc) don't let you overclock, so this is not a option
if the cpu does not have enough voltage (vcore) the cpu will not be able to compute properly, at which point you have 2 choices. increase the voltage or lower the multiplier (17 is stock for your cpu)
overclocking works the same just you increase the multiplier then the vcore to get it stable
giving a chip too much vcore will damage the cpu, under volting is completely safe, the same stability test are required for both, i suggest you go to a overclocking forum for more info on this

Thanks for your clarification... I've just got one additional question. I also run Asus Cool & Quiet and I've noticed that the voltage and the CPU frequency actually varies a lot. I've seen 1.1V when idle and up to 1.4V when it is under load.

Would I have to take Cool & Quiet into concideration when under volting?

pqwoerituytrueiwoq
January 20th, 2013, 09:31 PM
under volting only effects the voltage when it is running at 3.4Ghz
cool n quite lets the cpu lower its frequency and voltage when it is not under much load
look up cpu governor, disabling c and q is like running using the performance governor
there is a point when overclocking you have to turn CnQ off (it just quits working for me) for me that was 3.8Ghz
as long as the frequency is not changed you can leave CnQ enabled

Paqman
January 20th, 2013, 10:46 PM
OEM HSFs make decent door stops.


+1

Throwing some money at decent third-party cooling is an essential IMO, just like giving it a good quality power supply.

Dry Lips
January 21st, 2013, 05:27 PM
About undervolting... My Mobo only allows me to turn the voltage up, not down. Instead there is an option called "power saving mode" under "Processor Voltage".

mike acker
January 22nd, 2013, 12:19 AM
About undervolting... My Mobo only allows me to turn the voltage up, not down. Instead there is an option called "power saving mode" under "Processor Voltage".

ha!!

I have a Phenom II x4 965 as well but it's the 125w . i'm running the fan that came with the cpu. it does make some noise -- about like a window fan on low .

but, the good ol' NewEgg Supply Co. has just the item !!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181016

i think they also fit the '57 Chevy ( tee hee ) .

pqwoerituytrueiwoq
January 22nd, 2013, 01:34 AM
ha!!

I have a Phenom II x4 965 as well but it's the 125w . i'm running the fan that came with the cpu. it does make some noise -- about like a window fan on low .

but, the good ol' NewEgg Supply Co. has just the item !!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181016

i think they also fit the '57 Chevy ( tee hee ) .
at that price i say go big or go home (h100/h100i)
alternate 120mm water cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103179