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TheAlliedFleet
November 17th, 2012, 05:23 PM
I'm probably not the only one who has suggested this, but the open-source community really needs to start a project gathering all the creative tools together and improving them to professional standards. They need new names and stuff like CMYK support.

I've got a rough list of products we need to rival and what we have currently.

GIMP (CMYK from Juan Carlo) - Photoshop
Inkscape - Illustrator
Scribus - Indesign
??? (Spin on Blender?) - After Effects
Evince (needs some annotating and creation code) - Acrobat Reader
BlueGriffon - Dreamweaver
Synfig - Flash
??? (Improve and make openshot more advanced?) - Premier
Ardour - Audition
Darktable - Lightroom

We need some new names and other things. Please leave suggestions below and try and spread word we need a project like this. :)
Name suggestions:
- Libre Graphics Suite (credit to ssam)

I bid you a good day

juancarlospaco
November 17th, 2012, 08:26 PM
Sir, i've done an utility to get CORRECT CMYK support on the Gimp, and its Libre

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/juancarlospaco/skunkworks

Its not perfect, but its what i can do with zero money and 72Hs of my spare time.

AstroLlama
November 17th, 2012, 08:40 PM
Haven't used this other software so I can't comment, but I would argue that gimp is pretty close to professional standards, for some functions it lacks the sophistication of PS, for example the liquify distortions. It's pretty close, though.

Honestly, Gimp is pretty top notch, in my opinion.

GWBouge
November 17th, 2012, 09:36 PM
Just to add to the list:

darktable (http://www.darktable.org/) - Lightroom

ssam
November 17th, 2012, 10:26 PM
there is collaboration between the various projects.
http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2012/

maybe you could brand the whole collection as the libre graphics suite. (you wont have much luck getting the existing projects to change there names, but you could easily package them up as libre graphics photo, libre graphics painter etc)

nikonian
November 17th, 2012, 10:41 PM
It would be called "Adobe creative suite for Linux". Adobe make amazing products, open source fuzziness aside, it would take YEARS of coding and legal wrangles to get anywhere near a product such as their suite, which could get anywhere close to the quality and simplicity to which people have grown accustomed.

I admire and respect open source and free software, but professionals just want to get on with their job, make money and feed their children. I do use Gimp as much as possible, but when it comes to the crux of it, Adobe rules supreme. I couldn't care a hoot which platform I'm on - most of the time I have to look at my toolbar to remind me, as I'm focused on the work not the tools - they should be *transparent*.

I'll let the good GNU and FOSS people in-fight and fuss - I'll just get on with my work quietly and calmly thanks :)

Pinoy Tux
November 18th, 2012, 02:09 AM
??? (Improve and make openshot more advanced?) - Premier
Isn't Lightworks being ported to the Linux platform?


??? - Audition
Audacity, Rosegarden, Ardour

rg4w
November 18th, 2012, 02:14 AM
Kompozer is no longer available in the Software Center. :(

zombifier25
November 18th, 2012, 05:43 AM
Kompozer is abandoned. There's BlueGriffon which is similar to Kompozer, and it's maintained.

ssam
November 18th, 2012, 01:29 PM
Isn't Lightworks being ported to the Linux platform?


so they say. whether it will actually be an opensource project anytime soon is an open question.
http://jeff.ecchi.ca/blog/2012/11/10/lightworks-is-not-anywhere-close-to-open-source/

Giant Speck
November 18th, 2012, 02:03 PM
Personally, I'd like to see Corel port some of their products over to Linux. They do offer AfterShot Pro, though that's just a slightly modified Bibble.

Warpnow
November 18th, 2012, 05:22 PM
I think Gimp is closer to photoshop than Calc is to Excel.

Pinoy Tux
November 19th, 2012, 01:31 AM
so they say. whether it will actually be an opensource project anytime soon is an open question.
http://jeff.ecchi.ca/blog/2012/11/10/lightworks-is-not-anywhere-close-to-open-source/
That's why I said port, which doesn't necessarily make it open source. ;)

TheAlliedFleet
November 19th, 2012, 08:43 PM
That's why I said port, which doesn't necessarily make it open source. ;)

The whole point of this is so it can be open source. A libre graphics collection: unifying the tools

rg4w
November 19th, 2012, 11:50 PM
Kompozer is abandoned. There's BlueGriffon which is similar to Kompozer, and it's maintained.
Last time I checked, BlueGriffon wasn't in the Software Center either.

lykwydchykyn
November 19th, 2012, 11:50 PM
I'm not a CS user, but it seems to me this is a rather arbitrary and disparate collection of tools, and I'm hard pressed to think of many job descriptions that would require more than 2 or 3 of these. Someone with heavy CS experience can correct me if I'm wrong, but to me it just looks like Adobe's way of bundling all their flagship products under one SKU.

What's the tangible advantage in creating a "suite" vs. just letting projects improve individually and letting users select "best of breed"?

rg4w
November 20th, 2012, 01:13 AM
What's the tangible advantage in creating a "suite" vs. just letting projects improve individually and letting users select "best of breed"?
With commercial products the biggest motivation is for the publisher, able to get a few hundred extra bucks by selling the whole collection to someone who probably only needs two or maybe three of the packages, but can justify the suite thinking they may need the others some day.

With OSS alternatives we have most of what we need now, with the exception of a WYSIWYG HTML editor, since AFAIK there is none in the Ubuntu Software Center for 12.10.

Pinoy Tux
November 20th, 2012, 03:49 AM
The whole point of this is so it can be open source. A libre graphics collection: unifying the tools
Ah ok. So for video editing, Lightworks may be out of the question for now. So there's OpenShot, Kdenlive, Cinelerra, or even Blender.

Warpnow
November 20th, 2012, 04:37 AM
The advantage to a suite is in once you learn to use one, its easy to learn the others. Same style interface, goals, design, etc. Also they are well integrated. Suites definitely have an advantage over individual apps.

At work, when I say we need a certain piece of software, the first question is, "Is there an office product for it?" and there often is. Visio, Project, Mappoint, etc. Integration is key for applications.

I used outlook w/ business contact manager at work. It lets me create projects from templates and assign out work tasks and jobs to difference employees, set meetings, customizable fields, and integrates seamlessly with outlook. MS Project is way better, but contact manager is the free mini version.

Without integration into outlook the program would be useless. There are much better programs out there, but the integration is so much more important than the features.

Aaron Christianson
November 20th, 2012, 05:37 AM
I'm probably not the only one who has suggested this, but the open-source community really needs to start a project gathering all the creative tools together and improving them to professional standards. They need new names and stuff like CMYK support.
Nobody is stopping you from starting the project. The code is at your disposal. Open source doesn't really conform to the producer/consumer mentality. It's put up or hack up in these parts.

lykwydchykyn
November 20th, 2012, 07:01 AM
The advantage to a suite is in once you learn to use one, its easy to learn the others. Same style interface, goals, design, etc. Also they are well integrated. Suites definitely have an advantage over individual apps.


How would you propose to take this collection of highly complex, mature projects, each with its own separate development community, and bring them together into a suite in this manner?

From what you're describing, it would seem to require forking all these projects and rebuilding them on multiple levels.

Warpnow
November 20th, 2012, 04:32 PM
How would you propose to take this collection of highly complex, mature projects, each with its own separate development community, and bring them together into a suite in this manner?

From what you're describing, it would seem to require forking all these projects and rebuilding them on multiple levels.

You've got a gnome app for most things. Bring more apps into the gnome fold. Gnumeric, Abiword, Dia, Planner, etc. You've got the same thing on the KDE side but less stable. Arguably some better software, but not as much and not as widely used.

evilsoup
November 20th, 2012, 09:58 PM
What is being described would be more like using unified icons between a few projects... I don't know that it would require a really *huge* amount of hacking, though it wouldn't be easy either. Designing suitable symbols for use would probably be the hardest thing, I think.

Of course, I could be entirely wrong.