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vasa1
September 10th, 2012, 04:28 AM
According to this (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1#Xubuntu-1), the reasons for there not (yet) being a Xubuntu beta for 12.10 are:

The ISOs are oversized for standard CDs
The installer locks when attempting to do the “Install Xubuntu 12.10 alongside…” auto-resize (1027461), manual method for editing partitions and resizing works
Some of the indicators are not available in Beta 1
The Greybird theme has a visual regression in the left/right window borders with some drivers; the left side is invisible and the right side has a dark blue/dotted lines

I'm wondering about the inclusion of Gnumeric. Since Xubuntu is a "community-developed" OS, is there any information on how many Xubuntu users actually use Gnumeric or for that matter other software included in the original iso? Is there a place to indicate what software a user prefers?
(I don't want to talk about the virtues of pen drives and DVDs. The fact that they've mentioned "standard CDs" is enough.)

I've tried to use Gnumeric a few times over the years, but I miss the Data, Subtotals feature that is available in Calc. Overall, support and documentation for Gnumeric is pretty limited, AFAICT.

As an aside, I like the Bodhi Linux way of keeping the install as minimal as possible and leaving the choice of software to each user subsequently. I wouldn't mind one bit if Xubuntu went that way.

Unlike another distro which claims to be "complete" out of the box, Canonical has legal considerations in mind and so users of Ubuntu and its community-developed derivatives are accustomed to a post-iso step of installing what they want.

mips
September 10th, 2012, 10:31 AM
Make your own. Use the alternate or netinstall/mini iso and install what you need.

BrokenKingpin
September 10th, 2012, 04:42 PM
I personally like the defaults in Xubuntu. Gnumeric works pretty good for my needs, although my spreadsheets are not overly complex. If they wanted to remove Abiword and Gnumeric and put in LibreOffice that would be fine with me, but Abiword and Gnumeric get the job done for most people, and are lighter than LibreOffice.

vasa1
September 17th, 2012, 07:19 AM
Looks like 12.10 will ship without it (http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Quick%20guide%20to%20default%20applications). Couple of clicks to install it for those who choose.

Lucradia
September 17th, 2012, 04:47 PM
I know I wouldn't use Gnumeric, as it's a GNOME Application. So is Pidgin. It's why I stay away from the default Xubuntu. (Ayttm would be a better choice, if it could properly utilize [almost] all of the MSN Protocol features. *cough* File transfer*cough*)

You can also use https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet in the meantime.

vasa1
September 17th, 2012, 04:55 PM
I know I wouldn't use Gnumeric, as it's a GNOME Application. So is Pidgin. It's why I stay away from the default Xubuntu. (Ayttm would be a better choice, if it could properly utilize [almost] all of the MSN Protocol features. *cough* File transfer*cough*)

You can also use https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet in the meantime.
*Cough* what's pidgin *cough* got to do with the topic?

Lucradia
September 17th, 2012, 05:02 PM
*Cough* what's pidgin *cough* got to do with the topic?

Since it's a GNOME Application? (gnome conf is required due to proxy?) Xubuntu uses too many GNOME things sadly =/

snowpine
September 17th, 2012, 05:04 PM
Since it's a GNOME Application? (gnome conf is required due to proxy?) Xubuntu uses too many GNOME things sadly =/

Why is that "sad"? I really don't understand the point you're getting at... Gnumeric is very speedy and it's preinstalled on most the "lightweight" distros I've ever used: CrunchBang, AntiX, etc.