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Linuxratty
August 28th, 2012, 05:33 PM
The Linux genie is out of the bottle and no one will ever be able to shove it back in.



The chief executive of Microsoft, Steve Ballmer, once described the GPL as viral and as a cancer. In some ways he is right - once the source is out there, every Tom, **** and Harry (plus every Susan, Valerie and Mary) can pick it up and devise their own projects.

Programmers in every single country on the face of the earth can use that kernel source, build atop it and release their own mobile devices, be they tablets or smartphones. That scares the bejesus out of Apple and that is why it is trying to put as many obstacles to prevent Android spreading.

http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/56338-apple-will-win-the-battle-and-lose-the-war/56338-apple-will-win-the-battle-and-lose-the-war?limitstart=0
mr john
August 28th, 2012, 06:06 PM
As more applications move over to the cloud it wont matter which hardware or operating systems people use. That's why some companies like Google and Apple are trying to tie people into clouds like Google Play and iCloud. After all a GUI is just a type of browser ;-)
forrestcupp
August 28th, 2012, 06:33 PM
Every Tom **** and Harry. :)
Linuxratty
August 28th, 2012, 10:38 PM
Every Tom **** and Harry. :)

This forum did that,not me...):P
And here is a take from Groklaw:


This case represents to me just the next proprietary move to paint FOSS into a corner. The intention is to tie it up with royalties and IP law restrictions that limit what it can offer so that it dies there in that corner. Steve Jobs said so, that he intended to kill Android.


With the real intent to kill OSS.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120828085512779
Mikeb85
August 28th, 2012, 11:19 PM
Despite some forces (Apple, Microsoft, Oracle) that want to kill open-source, it also has some very big supporters (IBM, Intel, Google, Amazon).

Open source isn't going anywhere, the 'web 2.0' runs on open-source OSes and software, supercomputers run on open-source, stock markets, airports, military vehicles, etc..., too many people rely on it.
KiwiNZ
August 28th, 2012, 11:26 PM
Despite some forces (Apple, Microsoft, Oracle) that want to kill open-source, it also has some very big supporters (IBM, Intel, Google, Amazon).

Open source isn't going anywhere, the 'web 2.0' runs on open-source OSes and software, supercomputers run on open-source, stock markets, airports, military vehicles, etc..., too many people rely on it.

Oracle is a supporter
Mikeb85
August 28th, 2012, 11:36 PM
Oracle is a supporter

Hardly... They merely contribute to Linux because they're selling their own Linux spin as an alternative to Red Hat, and because there's not enough demand anymore for proprietary Solaris... They've tried to close the source of everything Sun open-sourced...
KiwiNZ
August 28th, 2012, 11:44 PM
Hardly... They merely contribute to Linux because they're selling their own Linux spin as an alternative to Red Hat, and because there's not enough demand anymore for proprietary Solaris... They've tried to close the source of everything Sun open-sourced...

You may like to do some more research, here is one example ......

http://www.fsf.org/patrons
Mikeb85
August 29th, 2012, 12:37 AM
You may like to do some more research, here is one example ......

http://www.fsf.org/patrons

Interesting... Makes me wonder why they've handled Sun's IP the way they have...
BDNiner
August 29th, 2012, 12:41 AM
They will reach a point when the returns from winning a law suit will out weigh the costs. The Battle with Samsung could last 10 years, and at the end of the day the only victors will be the lawyers!
jwbrase
August 29th, 2012, 12:50 AM
You may like to do some more research, here is one example ......

http://www.fsf.org/patrons

So they've given $30,000 (one time? yearly?) to the FSF. For a small company with a different history that might say something.

For a company the size of Oracle, and given the way they've acted, both historically and currently, it says absolutely zilch.
KiwiNZ
August 29th, 2012, 12:55 AM
So they've given $30,000 (one time? yearly?) to the FSF. For a small company with a different history that might say something.

For a company the size of Oracle, and given the way they've acted, both historically and currently, it says absolutely zilch.

So no contributions would be better then :rolleyes:
jwbrase
August 29th, 2012, 01:29 AM
So no contributions would be better then :rolleyes:

You laugh, but that may well be the case: an open enemy is better than a "friend" that stabs you in the back more often than not.
KiwiNZ
August 29th, 2012, 03:06 AM
You laugh, but that may well be the case: an open enemy is better than a "friend" that stabs you in the back more often than not.

Yep the Oracle Board meet weekly to plan that :rolleyes:
Lightstar
August 29th, 2012, 03:41 AM
If Unix and Linux were closed source, I can imagine Apple wouldn't even exist, except perhaps as hardware manufacturer.

For them to dislike opensource is to dislike their very own roots.
They have no respect. I'll show them the same.



They will reach a point when the returns from winning a law suit will out weigh the costs. The Battle with Samsung could last 10 years, and at the end of the day the only victors will be the lawyers!

Ahh darn, I chose the wrong career!
vasa1
August 29th, 2012, 04:11 AM
Oracle is a supporter

:( :( :(

Time to repeat this (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12132736&postcount=42) to myself at least ten times.
KiwiNZ
August 29th, 2012, 04:29 AM
:( :( :(

Time to repeat this (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12132736&postcount=42) to myself at least ten times.

Damm straight and make that 25 times:p
forrestcupp
August 29th, 2012, 01:30 PM
Yep the Oracle Board meet weekly to plan that :rolleyes:

Lol. You act like the people who run Oracle are angels and they never do anything wrong.