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Ariya243
August 16th, 2012, 02:40 AM
What all of the Ubuntu-derivative-OS-producers and Distrowatch don't want to say is that all those Mint, Pinguy, Zorin, Bodhi etc are just Ubuntu user's remixes, and that those producers (users) of Ubuntu derivatives have enough money to upload them for others to use and get donations.

What Distrowatch had found out, but don't want to say is that after Ubuntu 12.04, Distrowatch is no more distro-watching website, when it comes to Ubuntu derivatives, but an Ubuntu-user-watch. Not like earlier days, there is no mini.iso for anyone to build his own OS. So, Mint, Pinguy, Bodhi, Zorin or whatever Ubuntu based "distros" are just like any other Ubuntu user's own remix.

As a distro-watching web site, as far as Ubuntu derivatives or user remixes, Distrowatch has nothing to say, and had become Ubuntu-remixes-watching web site. Funny how things turn out!

In the so-called Distrowatch page-hit-rankings, one can just add up all Ubuntu derivatives hits and call that Ubuntu ranking.

Mint's Clem, Pinguy's Antoni, Bodhi's Jeff or Zorin has to download one of the Ubuntu 12.04 to remix it. There is no mini.iso anymore. All these people are just like us Ubuntu users.

They have to download either Desktop CD, Server Install CD or Alternate Install CD, just like anyone of us.

Have a nice day!:)

Ariya

wojox
August 16th, 2012, 02:47 AM
Installation/MinimalCD (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD/) is right here.

Ariya243
August 16th, 2012, 03:00 AM
Installation/MinimalCD (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD/) is right here.

Okay, thanks!

But still all are Ubuntu derivatives.:)

It is much easier to download the Desktop CD and add or uninstall applications, wallpapers, change the lsb-release, issue and issue.net in /etc and add icons and pixmaps, change some in /usr/bin and /usr/share etc...
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2042066

There was a hue and cry about Xubuntu below advertising Mint...

In Mint you'd find a app called MintConstructor, which is used to remaster Ubuntu to Mint.
See what happens, if you change lsb-release, issue, issue.net and xsessions, gnome-sessions wording from Ubuntu 12.04 LTS to any name.
And also, what happens, if you delete Precise repos from in /etc/apt/sources.list in Mint 13...Would Mint 13 be an LTS for next 5 years?
The same with Pinguy, Zorin etc

sffvba[e0rt
August 16th, 2012, 04:58 AM
With this logic all those distro's and thus Distrowatch is actually (Debian)watch...


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Ariya243
August 16th, 2012, 08:58 AM
With this logic all those distro's and thus Distrowatch is actually (Debian)watch...


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Agreed!:)

viperdvman
August 16th, 2012, 12:26 PM
The reason that you see so many distros out there based on Ubuntu, or even Debian for that matter, is because Debian and Ubuntu are such good distros to base another distro on.

As most of us probably know, I don't think that the creators of Mint, Bodhi, Zorin, etc. are downloading the stable versions of Ubuntu and simply remixing them. Rather they're downloading the alphas and betas, tweaking them to their own distro, and possibly sending some of their changes upstream.

I love Ubuntu. I download Ubuntu and add KDE, Cinnamon, MATE, etc. on top of it. I love Bodhi Linux too. It's arguably the best Enlightenment-based distro out there, ergo it's Top-20 page hit ranking on Distrowatch. I like Mint too, a lot. Had I not already chosen Ubuntu as my main Linux distro, I would've gone with Linux Mint. Much of why it's so popular is because it keeps the more traditional desktop (MATE and Cinnamon) by default while Unity and GNOME are pushing their UI's to risky new grounds. While I myself like Unity and GNOME Shell, others don't, and thus have switched from Fedora and Ubuntu to Linux Mint.

But yes, Ubuntu and Debian are both great bases on which to build a Linux distro. That's why you see so many of them on Distrowatch, far more than you see Gentoo-based, Arch-based, etc.

Ariya243
August 16th, 2012, 12:47 PM
viperdvman,

Its all about tweaking, don't you think so? And you do the tweaking too with your Ubuntu as everyone of us users. No two Ubuntu users have identical desktop, maybe only in offices. Everyone is tweaking, but they shouldn't say it is their newly made OS. I took apart Zorin OS 6 core...Hmmm core...What core? The core is Ubuntu. I took apart Mint 13 too, and Pinguy. Add E17 ppa and you have E17 Ubuntu. Add Cinnamon, you have Ubuntu Cinnamon. If you want you can add all Mint made apps. Take out the Zorin look changer and release the Awn and Gnomenu, you have a perfect Ubuntu! Pinguy is pretty buggy. Bodhi has taken lot things off Ubuntu, to make a minimalist distro, but E17 is too childish to me.

I wonder, what'd happen, if I change the Debian vmlinuz and initrd.img from Solus OS or Crunchbang and replaced them with Ubuntu's and few other files in /usr/bin, /usr/share and in /etc... I was comparing files in Crunchbang and Ubuntu in Gnome Commander. Maybe I'd make an Ubuntu Crunchbang. Its all about files in Linux.

I like Cinnamon, but not Mate. I am going to play with Pantheon. In 12.10, I'd try to get nautilus, Terminal, Gedit etc out and have only the Elementary stuff.

By the way, I don't know how to write a script, but know how to manipulate them, being an Engineer.

To make something out of Arch or Gentoo is a headache, so it is better to download Bridge Linux (any flavour) or any Gentoo like Sabayon, Calculate and do your own additions and subtractions.

Have a nice day!:)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2042066
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2040069
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2038103

Mikeb85
August 16th, 2012, 05:41 PM
The reason that you see so many distros out there based on Ubuntu, or even Debian for that matter, is because Debian and Ubuntu are such good distros to base another distro on.

As most of us probably know, I don't think that the creators of Mint, Bodhi, Zorin, etc. are downloading the stable versions of Ubuntu and simply remixing them. Rather they're downloading the alphas and betas, tweaking them to their own distro, and possibly sending some of their changes upstream.

Is that why Mint versions are released a month later than every Ubuntu release?

It's not that Debian/Ubuntu are good distros to base another on, it's that they are easy to base another distro on, and easy to maintain compatibility.

vexorian
August 16th, 2012, 06:27 PM
Is that why Mint versions are released a month later than every Ubuntu release?

It's not that Debian/Ubuntu are good distros to base another on, it's that they are easy to base another distro on, and easy to maintain compatibility.
That's what makes them good distros to base another on. :/

Ariya243
August 17th, 2012, 01:38 AM
All of the Ubuntu clone makers call their distros as OSs and give 5 year LTS - Long Term Support. Hmmm...

Mint, Pinguy, Zorin, Bodhi, Pear, Snow etc are offering that 5 year LTS, so how about taking off Ubuntu repositories from their "operating systems" and then give that LTS?!

After taking apart Zorin, Pinguy and Mint as a user, and not as a geek, I'd like to ask these very special distro makers, whether they could openly say that they are dependent on Ubuntu for their existence. And say that in their Web sites, like Elementary OS people do.

Every Mint, Zorin, Pinguy, Bodhi, Snow, etc user is a Ubuntu user and these makers and Distrowatch must openly say that.

And every Ubuntu user is a remixer of Ubuntu, as Ubuntu comes without proprietary drivers, codecs and a whole lot of applications, and in a size of a CD--the final release always fits in a CD. Only Bodhi would fit in a CD as Ubuntu is stripped of practically everything, but Mint's XFCE edition, which is a Xubuntu clone is 811 MB.

Or is it dollars, these Ubuntu clone makers are looking for, asking for donations for remixing and uploading the original Ubuntu? Mint for example, shuns Google as a search engine as Google won't pay him. Most of these are one-man shows and some might have a private server or a sponsored one. The 5 year LTS, they can't give, if they take off the Ubuntu repositories from "their" sources.list.

PS: Well, I saw this down the web page in Mint
Other issues

Linux Mint 13 is based on Ubuntu 12.04. Make sure to read the Ubuntu release notes (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes).

Hmmm...it appears to be an "other Issue." Should it be the main issue on the top of the web page?

And at the very bottom;
Linux Mint is free of charge (thanks to your donations and adverts on the website) and we hope you'll enjoy it.

It looks like Ubuntu is not free of charge...but Mint is and "please donate." Imagine 3727 "hits" in Distrowatch "donate" one $ per month, it would be quite a sum to live on, even pay for the server. Writing applications is mind work, and could be done while drinking coffee or tea at home. Everyone drinks coffee or tea anyway...If it is 2$/month or 3$/month, wouldn't it be a tidy little salary?

QIII
August 17th, 2012, 01:46 AM
Didn't you just within the last 24 hours post a similar Ubuntu fanboyish post about the same kids in the Debian family?

phrak
August 17th, 2012, 02:06 AM
Seriously? Why don't you harp on Ubuntu for being a debian spin too??

Ariya243
August 17th, 2012, 02:08 AM
Didn't you just within the last 24 hours post a similar Ubuntu fanboyish post about the same kids in the Debian family?

Why should I be a fanboy, QIII?

I simply like Ubuntu, just like the makers of Mint, Pinguy, Zorin etc. Ubuntu brings in money for them, and without much work, but Ubuntu has to keep the LTS, not them. Some don't even have servers. Its all about money, pal. All you see is "donate" and "adverts." Aren't they fanbois too? They'd do anything to keep Ubuntu alive!

By the way, does Debian's LTS do anything to Ubuntu's LTS? Or Ubuntu can give LTS with or without Debian? Read and see!

Have a good day!

PS: Maybe, I'd make a Ubuntu clone and earn from donations and ads? Mix everything up, Cinnamon, Pantheon, KDE, etc...and copy and paste good apps from other Ubuntu clones?

Elfy
August 17th, 2012, 02:09 AM
merged and moved

deadflowr
August 17th, 2012, 03:15 AM
I think if Canonical really really cared about all the Ubuntu remixes, they would've gone the direction of BSD like Apple, and built a locked down system. But they didn't and it's just part of the tit for tat that is the open source world.
I personally see all the remixes as a badge of honor as it shows Ubuntu is doing a heck of a lot right. Most of the differences between them are petty when you get down to it.

Ariya243
August 17th, 2012, 03:16 AM
Well, try 1 at making a distro or OS from Ubuntu Quantal. At this moment, it is only changing few lines in few files. Rest, fully changed, Ubuntu branding taken off, would come today or tomorrow.

vexorian
August 17th, 2012, 05:03 AM
All of the Ubuntu clone makers call their distros as OSs and give 5 year LTS - Long Term Support. Hmmm...

Mint, Pinguy, Zorin, Bodhi, Pear, Snow etc are offering that 5 year LTS, so how about taking off Ubuntu repositories from their "operating systems" and then give that LTS?!

After taking apart Zorin, Pinguy and Mint as a user, and not as a geek, I'd like to ask these very special distro makers, whether they could openly say that they are dependent on Ubuntu for their existence. And say that in their Web sites, like Elementary OS people do.

Every Mint, Zorin, Pinguy, Bodhi, Snow, etc user is a Ubuntu user and these makers and Distrowatch must openly say that.

And every Ubuntu user is a remixer of Ubuntu, as Ubuntu comes without proprietary drivers, codecs and a whole lot of applications, and in a size of a CD--the final release always fits in a CD. Only Bodhi would fit in a CD as Ubuntu is stripped of practically everything, but Mint's XFCE edition, which is a Xubuntu clone is 811 MB.

Or is it dollars, these Ubuntu clone makers are looking for, asking for donations for remixing and uploading the original Ubuntu? Mint for example, shuns Google as a search engine as Google won't pay him. Most of these are one-man shows and some might have a private server or a sponsored one. The 5 year LTS, they can't give, if they take off the Ubuntu repositories from "their" sources.list.

PS: Well, I saw this down the web page in Mint
Other issues

Linux Mint 13 is based on Ubuntu 12.04. Make sure to read the Ubuntu release notes (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes).

Hmmm...it appears to be an "other Issue." Should it be the main issue on the top of the web page?

And at the very bottom;
Linux Mint is free of charge (thanks to your donations and adverts on the website) and we hope you'll enjoy it.

It looks like Ubuntu is not free of charge...but Mint is and "please donate." Imagine 3727 "hits" in Distrowatch "donate" one $ per month, it would be quite a sum to live on, even pay for the server. Writing applications is mind work, and could be done while drinking coffee or tea at home. Everyone drinks coffee or tea anyway...If it is 2$/month or 3$/month, wouldn't it be a tidy little salary?
"open source"

Look it up.

If you are worried about derivatives taking money from you, just don't pay them :/.

Believe it or not, making derivates is not easy and it comes with quite an opportunity cost. The guys behind Mint, for example, could be using their time on doing things that make money. They also need hosting and designing websites, etc. I would actually be very surprised to find out that most of these derivative makers have a net profit higher than 0. Speaking of Mint, they are one derivative that is seriously innovating and giving back to the community in the form of their projects. A lot of ubuntu users like Cinnamon, for example.

Things in the open source world work like this. Everyone is allowed to redistribute. Even ask for donations or put adverts in exchange. In return, canonical wins valuable feedback. If a lot of people prefer Mint to Ubuntu, this is information that canonical can use to improve Ubuntu. In the case of Mint, they made ubuntu better by increasing our DE choices.

Ariya243
August 17th, 2012, 05:06 AM
"open source"

Look it up.

I did, pal.
One must always give credit where its deserved. What does GPl say? Copy it, change it...but...

Ariya243
August 17th, 2012, 05:08 AM
I think if Canonical really really cared about all the Ubuntu remixes, they would've gone the direction of BSD like Apple, and built a locked down system. But they didn't and it's just part of the tit for tat that is the open source world.
I personally see all the remixes as a badge of honor as it shows Ubuntu is doing a heck of a lot right. Most of the differences between them are petty when you get down to it.

Most of the differences between them are petty when you get down to it. Exactly!
And their forums has a habit of running Ubuntu down...

Ariya243
August 17th, 2012, 05:15 AM
This is what Distrowatch says...

We receive an average of 2 - 4 distro submissions each week (every Tom, **** and Harry has now created one) and we don't have the time and resources to add every one of them to the database straight away. The listing process itself is not particularly time-consuming, but once a distribution is added, it will also require a life-long commitment to monitor the project, update the package listing, boot/install the distribution and take screenshots, publish news, check the page for broken links, etc.

If all this sounds depressing, there is some good news for those developers who absolutely and desperately want to have their distribution listed on DistroWatch today. All you need to do is to buy an advertising banner and your distro will be listed straight away. Additionally, your banner will attract extra visitors to your website. Currently the smallest advertising deal available is 100,000 impressions of a standard leaderboard (728x90 pixels), which costs US$200 (half of this amount will be donated to open-source software projects as part of the monthly DistroWatch donations programme)...

$200 and you are on with a new distro/os...lovely!

Watching distros or jumping paid distros?

malspa
August 17th, 2012, 05:50 AM
I personally see all the remixes as a badge of honor as it shows Ubuntu is doing a heck of a lot right. Most of the differences between them are petty when you get down to it.

Yep.

I lost interest in Ubuntu derivatives (including Mint) a couple of years ago. I figured that it was just as well to run Ubuntu and tweak it to how I wanted it. Nothing against any of those spin-offs, but I just don't need any of 'em.

And of course Ubuntu is a Debian spin-off, but as deadflowr pointed out, "Ubuntu is doing a heck of a lot right." So I run both distros.

Ravi5kumar
August 17th, 2012, 07:37 AM
See this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Debian_family_tree_11-06.png. OMG:lolflag:!!!

Ariya243
August 17th, 2012, 07:47 AM
"open source"

Look it up.

Believe it or not, making derivates is not easy and it comes with quite an opportunity cost.

In the case of Mint, they made ubuntu better by increasing our DE choices.

1) Making derivatives is a pretty easy thing. You need few cups of coffee and bit of free time, and the ability to enjoy that time. Read my posts to see, what I did with Zorin 6, Pinguy and Mint. I am not a geek, but just a user, and I know it is all about files, and where to put them.

2) Mint rather had decreased the DE choices. There is no Unity 3D, whether you like it or not. Mate is because there is no chance of catching up with Ubuntu's drive. Cinnamon is to stay in the game. At the beginning the Cinnamon Menu was going above the screen, and now it is halted. There is a 16 year old guy in New York, who makes a better menu and places for Cinnamon. Watch out for him in the future! You can check that in Cinnamon applet site. By the way, I took Ubuntu Quantal and made a Mint out of it, only didn't change the Ubuntu logos. I posted that screenshot in these forums. And I took Mint 13 and changed everything back to Ubuntu. That screenshot is also in these forums.

Ubuntu putting Gnome 3 underneath and Unity 3D on top of it, made lot of clone makers not sleep in the night. I wonder how Zorin is going to give the Win 8 look...Gnome-look org would give more and more every day!:D

Its all about adding and substracting files and changing them...:D
Why don't you try it?

Have a nice day!:D

Ariya

Superpelican12
August 17th, 2012, 07:53 AM
A good question to ask your self is "Would all those Ubuntu-based 'distro' s' survive if Ubuntu would die because of the popularity of the other Ubuntu-based distro's?".
No, they wouldn't Linux Mint wouldn't be able to "offer" 5 year of LTS support anymore. All the remixes would have to do a lot more of packaging and security backports etc.

If I ever build my own Ubuntu-based remix I'll proudly say it's based on Ubuntu and that really they are doing all the hard work! :D

Ariya243
August 17th, 2012, 08:09 AM
If I ever build my own Ubuntu-based remix I'll proudly say it's based on Ubuntu and that really they are doing all the hard work! :D

Bravo!!!:D:D:D

pinguy
August 17th, 2012, 05:00 PM
Just came across this thread because it came up in my Google Alerts.

After reading some of the comments from the OP its clear he is not happy with my distro (or any distro based on Ubuntu even though Ubuntu is 80% Debian). But I don't think he fully understands why distros are made or how they came into existences.

So I thought I would share how/why Pinguy OS was made.

The bottom line is Pinguy OS came about because there was a high demand for it. There was a gap in the linux desktop market that Ubuntu wasn't filling (or any other distro). A fully out-of-the-box distro that had everything a user could possible want pre-installed and fully setup. All a person needed to do was install it then use it.

Might not sound like much but it was what made Pinguy OS popular. People really did like the idea that once it was installed all the common tools/programs they would need where already installed and pre-setup.
It was very popular in places like China and India where the internet was slow. It maybe a large download but once it was downloaded they didn't need to do anything else. People downloaded it once then made copy's to give to other people.

Some background on how it got started:

I played about with building a distro called Ubuntu PCB Edition (Pinguy's Custom Build) back in 2007, 3 years before Pinguy OS.

Sorry only links I can find about it:
http://bioinformatiquillo.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/ubuntu-pcb-edition-20/
http://www.ubuntips.com.ar/2007/12/29/ubuntu-pcb-edition-20/
http://www.ubuntips.com.ar/2007/12/10/ubuntu-pcb-edition/

It seemed to be pretty popular but it was more of a learning experience/hobby or me. Nothing more. Thats why it was only on Linuxtracker.org

I carried on working on the remix over the years. Making new custom builds every 6 Months.

After while I pretty much converted everyone I know/look after their computers to linux. I was using the custom build of Ubuntu I was building because people where just not getting on with the vanilla install. Also it saved me time as I didn't have to keep setting up Ubuntu everytime it was installed.

With the feedback I was getting from the people running it, I was able to keep improving the custom build. I was able to get more hardware working out-of-the-box and pick programs that suited people with little to no knowledge about computers. Most of the people running my custom build really didn't care about computers. They just wanted something that worked.

Then one day down the pub I was chatting with friends when the topic got brought up about the OS I installed for them. They where saying how good it has gotten and that everyone they showed it to was impressed and was asking them where they got it from. That when they asked me if it was online so they could tell their friends where to get it.

At the time I only made it for the people I knew. Never really crossed my mind to put it online.

So after the chat about putting it online I decided to post the custom build here to get feedback.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1528174

Because I got pretty good feedback from that thread I also posted it onto reddit (http://www.reddit.com) to see what other people outside of this forum thought of it. The response was really good. People from reddit (http://www.reddit.com) where going out of their way to help seed the ISO and host it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/co3ij/pinguy_os_1004_x64_please_try/

Once that happened I started to get reviews. Jeff was one of the first.

http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/07/pinguy-os-distro-review.html

He was the person I helped with building Pinguy E17 Remix (http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/ubuntu-1004-e17-livedvd.html) that ended up becoming a solo project for Jeff called Bodhi Linux (http://bodhilinux.com/)

Then I got hold of Andrew from Webupd8 (http://www.webupd8.org) and asked him if he wouldn't mind doing a review.

http://www.webupd8.org/2010/07/pinguy-os-remastered-ubuntu-ubuntu.html

So I didn't just decide one day to go out and make a distro. It just kinda happen over time. It started out as away for me to save time having to install Ubuntu and set it up.
It was only because of the overwhelming positive response I got for Pinguy OS from the online community and the clear demand for it that I decided to start the project.

If you think it easy starting a project. Its not. Its not something you decide lightly. Its a lot of work involved getting a project up and running. Building the distro is only the tip of the iceberg.
You have to deal with hosting costs, setting up websites, forums, IRC, promoting etc.
Then you have to spend hours giving support.

It doesn't matter how good a distro is if the support isn't very good. Thankfully the Pinguy OS forum is pretty active now so I don't have to spend as much time giving support as I did. But at the beginning it was pretty much just me helping people.

Distrowatch may get a lot of request from people asking them to post their distro. But most of the time they are just like my Ubuntu PCB Edition (a hobby build). Only a small amount of them get past the distro building stage onto turning it into a project.

To the people wondering what would happen to these Distros based on Ubuntu if Ubuntu disappeared. The Distro's would end up using Debian. Mint already has a Debian version. The reason Debian isn't as popular as Ubuntu to use as a base is because its a rolling release. Its harder to maintain a rolling release then it is on a system based on a snap shot.

Its one of the reasons why Ubuntu is so popular to base a distro on. Its because they take a snap shot of Debian unstable (Sid) every 6 Months and freeze the packages, then fix the bugs. This gives you a very up to date system that's also very stable to work from. It also has the added advantage of key system component not changing/updating over its life span. So you don't have any fears of an update making a huge change to the system and breaking it. Any major changes to the system happen every 6 Months with a new release.

Also why Ubuntu is used as a base is because its stupidly easy to find apps for. Program like Spotify etc. all have packages pre-built for Ubuntu. If an app offers an Linux version it will have a pre-built package for Ubuntu. Even the Steam client is being built for Ubuntu. There is far more support for Ubuntu then any other distro. So it makes a lot a sense to use that to base a distro off of.

vexorian
August 17th, 2012, 09:25 PM
A good question to ask your self is "Would all those Ubuntu-based 'distro' s' survive if Ubuntu would die because of the popularity of the other Ubuntu-based distro's?".
No, they wouldn't Linux Mint wouldn't be able to "offer" 5 year of LTS support anymore. All the remixes would have to do a lot more of packaging and security backports etc.

If I ever build my own Ubuntu-based remix I'll proudly say it's based on Ubuntu and that really they are doing all the hard work! :D
ubuntu would die without debian. There wouldn't be nearly as many packages.

It is a tad lame to get angry at derivative makers for not giving ubuntu enough credit when ubuntu itself is a derivate and canonical don't give enough credit.

Ariya243
August 18th, 2012, 04:10 AM
After reading some of the comments from the OP its clear he is not happy with my distro

So I thought I would share how/why Pinguy OS was made.

The bottom line is Pinguy OS came about because there was a high demand for it.

It was very popular in places like China and India where the internet was slow.

It seemed to be pretty popular but it was more of a learning experience/hobby or me. Nothing more.

I carried on working on the remix over the years.

You have to deal with hosting costs, setting up websites, forums, IRC, promoting etc.
Then you have to spend hours giving support.

1) I looked at your Pinguy by chance. I didn't say I didn't like yours, but it is buggy and no use wasting time taking it apart. I wanted to take Zorin 6 "Core" apart, as that distro is not giving freedom as it should be to users by blocking the Awn panel and Gnomenu and adding a pseudo look changer, while the "looks" are there all the time, if the Awn panel and Gnomenu was not blocked. I took yours apart and Mint 13 too, and made a Mint 13 out of Ubuntu 12.04, so I am not targeting anyone. Once, I found out how easy it is to make a distro out of Ubuntu, I stopped taking other Ubuntu remixes apart. Would be a waste of time, wouldn't it?

2) Pinguy was made. because you wanted it, the popularity had come later. First one has to want something to be done and take action. Ubuntu makes a pretty safe distro, so its base is safe as so much time, energy and money had gone in to making Ubuntu.

3) Most probably, you have not been in China and India. Could you tell us the download speed in a remote village in England?

4) Remix?! Well, not an operating system, not yours, really, right?

5) Web hosting, etc...You made Pinguy to give out free of charge, so host it in free hosting websites. If you have not "troubled" the kernel and the base in Ubuntu, any user could find answers to their queries in Ubuntu forums. Many come here, even those, who use Fedora, Gentoo etc.

Linux Mint says in "other issues" in its release notes.
Other issues

Linux Mint 13 is based on Ubuntu 12.04. Make sure to read the Ubuntu release notes (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes).

You say, if Ubuntu disappears, you'd go to Debian to do your distro? Why don't you try it now and make one with Debian base and take the Ubuntu-based one out? Would you have that popularity?

Your words:

PinguyOS is a small but very popular distribution. You can often find us listed very highly on the dirstowatch ‘league tables’. PinguyOS is somewhat of a niche in the Linux world as we focus on ‘normal users’, not geeks.

PinguyOS is the brainchild of one man, Antoni Norman and he is still the lead developer on the project.

You see, Antoni, it is nice to have few cups of coffee or tea, or even few beers and play with adding and substracting apps, and also adding and substracting stuff in other apps, and adding them to Ubuntu, change wallpapers, change few words in few files, few logos etc.

How many users of Ubuntu are there in the world, Antoni? They are also one man shows of remixing their Ubuntu. Just have look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2036126

Keep on doing your good work, helping those, who won't be able to install or uninstall applications in Ubuntu. But tell that Pinguy is just a remix, brainchild or not, okay?

Have a good day!

Ariya

PS: I took off your Docky from Pinguy, installed Cairo dock and Awn dock and re-branded it, meaning deleted some lines in some files and wrote my own. I could even write Margaret Thacher OS in that...And put the Iron Lady's face as the logo...

sffvba[e0rt
August 18th, 2012, 04:17 AM
PS: I took off your Docky from Pinguy, installed Cairo dock and Awn dock and re-branded it, meaning deleted some lines in some files and wrote my own. I could even write Margaret Thacher OS in that...And put the Iron Lady's face as the logo...

And you are more than welcome to do so, as is anybody else.

Thread closed.


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