Is the internet turning dark.

[nec207]

Is the internet turning dark.

So we all know in 90's message board , groups and usenets ( geocities) where a big thing:pThan facebook ,myspace and twitter and blogs and now the past 5 years message board , groups and usenets are no where is active and well other than general interest topics there no where to be found.

I find the internet before was much easier to find people into the same stuff you interested in and talk about it and even make friends.

Now every thing is facebook ,myspace and twitter and blogs and more for people who have friends and talking to your friends so is much different.

Yes yahoo has groups called yahoo groups and google has groups too and yes even facebook has groups BUT they are almost dead those groups and still the same problem lack of new interest topics that do not fit general .

Most groups , usenets and message boards other than general topic are dying.You can find just about any message board out there on computes , health , religion , politics , trucks , cars , games ,music so on.

None major general will be hard to find or may not even me out there .



So is the internet turning dark? Why can't companies bring the message board , groups and usenets ( geocities) back?

Also I know of 3 message boards that struggle with bandwidth problem. And one them has many adds and pop ups and still the webmaster at techguy.org/have donations do to bandwidth problem.


I thought in the past 5 years the cost per bandwidth will come down and I was wrong.I thought some company will revolutionise the message board , groups and usenets ( geocities) to bring it back.

So what is haping.

[PaulInBHC]

For several years the internet was something new to most people. Some people found the things you mentioned and posted to them. Most end up with a bully that takes over and drives away normal people. Social media sites are full of people that are full of themselves. People that talk just to talk in person and are addicted to typing on the computer. I heard that 60% of the internet is commercials/spam.

[Paqman]

Most groups , usenets and message boards other than general topic are dying.

Not really, just the superfluous ones. I frequent three or four really active message boards (including this one), this forum proves that there's still plenty of things boards are good for.

Blogs and social media haven't made forums obsolete, but they have partially replaced them. We've moved on from being stuck with just forums the same way we moved on from earlier things like newsgroups (which are still around).

The internet keeps expanding, and there's room for all.

[Phrea]

Essentially reddit is one big board too, with very specific interests all over.

[jonathonblake]

Is the internet turning dark.

What has changed is that search engines now index less than 10% of the web pages on the Internet. Search engines for other parts of the Internet index an even smaller percentage of the Internet space that they target.

Between 1995 and 2000, good search engines indexed at least 50% of the Internet, with bad search engines indexing more than 10% of the Internet.

You can't find the data you want, becuase the search engines no longer index it.


Now every thing is facebook ,myspace and twitter and blogs and more for people who have friends and talking to your friends so is much different.

Social networking sites are based on two conflicting axioms:

People with the same interests allready know each other;
People don't know anybody else with the same interests;



LinkedIn focuses more on the first axiom;
Ning focuses more on the second axiom;
Facebook alternates focus between the first axiom and the second axiom;


Why can't companies bring the message board, groups and usenets ( geocities) back?

Geocities and UseNet are two very different things.

It is much easier, and cheaper, for a company to outsource their Internet communication needs to Disqus, Facebook, Twitter, etc, than to do it in house, on their own websites.

Furthermore, in order to reach out to their target audience, an organization "needs", at a minimum, a presence on roughly 30 social networking sites, including FaceBook and Twitter.

Once that social networking presence has been made, creating a message board, usenet, etc on the organization's website is essentially duplicating the things that the target audience routinely uses on those social networking sites.


I thought in the past 5 years the cost per bandwidth will come down and I was wrong.

Costs for running a website are all over the board.
I've seen quotes from US$200 per year, to US$250,000 per year for hosting the same website, with the same projected data traffic.
The major considerations in setting the price are:

Physical size of the website;
Data traffic per month;
CPU usage;
Peak RAM usage;
Average RAM usage;
Maximum download speed;
Maximum upload speed;
Uptime percentage;
Backup hosting;
Number of datacentres that the site is hosted on;
Geographical location;


In the last five years, prices for some of those datapoints has gone up, whilst for others it has gone down. Would be website administrators need to shop the entire globe, to get the highest possible service, at the lowest possible cost.


So what is happening.

Some companies are using software such as MediaWiki and Drupal, to setup their own in-house newsgroups, mailing lists, RSS feeds, webgroups, in-house social network space, etc, and creating a presence on the 100 most frequented social network sites, that are relevant to their target audiences.

And this perhaps brings up something that most people aren't aware of. There are more than 10,000 websites that purport to be "social networking orientated". Some of these sites are very generic. Others are so narrowly focused, that unless one is already part of the scene that they target, you'll never know that they existed.

jonathon

[nec207]

What has changed is that search engines now index less than 10% of the web pages on the Internet. Search engines for other parts of the Internet index an even smaller percentage of the Internet space that they target.

Between 1995 and 2000, good search engines indexed at least 50% of the Internet, with bad search engines indexing more than 10% of the Internet.

You can't find the data you want, becuase the search engines no longer index it.


I thought google is good search engines ? Most any thing I type in message boards the threads show up in google using the quote or close to quote of the words I use in the thread.

Also most search engines if you searching for some thing and it does not show up in first 5 to 8 pages try using other keywords.





Social networking sites are based on two conflicting axioms:

People with the same interests allready know each other;
People don't know anybody else with the same interests;


LinkedIn focuses more on the first axiom;
Ning focuses more on the second axiom;
Facebook alternates focus between the first axiom and the second axiom;
Quote:


What do you mean. Facebook groups are not that active and even less active than google groups and yahoo groups.

And twitter does not have groups.

[jonathonblake]

I thought google is good search engines ?

Compared to the other general purpose engines, it is good.


Also most search engines if you searching for some thing and it does not show up in first 5 to 8 pages try using other keywords.

That quite literally depends upon:

What is being searched for;
What you have previously searched for;


The current fad in search engines is to deliver what it thinks you want. It does that based on what you have previously searched for, and clicked on.

By way of example, if you frequently do linux related searches, then a search of "Ubuntu" will bring up the Linux distro, and sites related to it. If, OTOH, one frequently does searches on Black Consciousness, and Pan-African Socialism, then a search for "Ubuntu" will generate a list of sites about the philosophy. That works pretty well, until the Linux searcher wants to know mopre about the philosophy, or the Black Consciousness searcher wants to know more about the Linux distro.

Keyword searches are useful only when one knows the specific parameters of what one is looking for. When one has a good idea of what one does not know. When one only has a general idea of the data that they do not know, keyword searches usually fail.

jonathon

[nec207]

Compared to the other general purpose engines, it is good.






That quite literally depends upon:

What is being searched for;
What you have previously searched for;
The current fad in search engines is to deliver what it thinks you want. It does that based on what you have previously searched for, and clicked on.

By way of example, if you frequently do linux related searches, then a search of "Ubuntu" will bring up the Linux distro, and sites related to it. If, OTOH, one frequently does searches on Black Consciousness, and Pan-African Socialism, then a search for "Ubuntu" will generate a list of sites about the philosophy. That works pretty well, until the Linux searcher wants to know mopre about the philosophy, or the Black Consciousness searcher wants to know more about the Linux distro.

Keyword searches are useful only when one knows the specific parameters of what one is looking for. When one has a good idea of what one does not know. When one only has a general idea of the data that they do not know, keyword searches usually fail.

jonathon

But than google is tracking me ?So if I do a lot of linux related searches or some days I get a lot of that and than if I do search for philosophy you say I will not get that many hits or on first page or two do to the linux related searches ?


Keyword searches are useful only when one knows the specific parameters of what one is looking for. When one has a good idea of what one does not know. When one only has a general idea of the data that they do not know, keyword searches usually fail.

Also searching for message board can be hard do to the specific parameters. That say you want to find message board on TV show .The specific parameters may be not claer .


XY - name of the TV show

XY discussion
XY board
XY chit chat
XY chat
XY discussion board
XY vbulletin
XY forum


You can see how hard this can be because if you do not use proper parameters the message board may be on page 33 or page 77 or 712.

Just typing TV show or interest you have to sniff hundreds or thousands of web sites looking for message board.

[kd5mkv]

I think it is getting dark,blog,board and social media. Are always evolving
and bullys hang out everywhere. But I do notice the answers are getting longer on this thread.

[snip3r8]

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[nec207]

I think it is getting dark,blog,board and social media. Are always evolving
and bullys hang out everywhere. But I do notice the answers are getting longer on this thread.

What do you mean by that?