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Ubun2to
July 16th, 2012, 11:45 AM
I'm sure there are plenty of people out there looking for a replacement to their current laptop.
For those of you who want to know if this is a good laptop, the answer is, in short, yes.
For those of you who are music junkies, the speakers here could use a little improvement in volume and quality, but you're unlikely to get good speakers from a laptop to begin with.
For those of you who want the whole story, keep reading.
First Impressions
When I first took this laptop out of the box, I was stunned. A laptop NOT made by Apple that looks REALLY good. Everything has been carefully designed-I can tell just from looking at the ports.
If I hadn't looked on the website, I would've never guessed it was hiding an Ethernet port. I thought having lots of ports meant you had to sacrifice style. I was wrong.
The USB 3.0 ports have blue markings, which is nice, as I hate accidentally putting the USB 2.0 devices in the 3.0 ports (it keeps me from taking full advantage of the ports). I don't have any USB 3.0 devices yet, but I plan on changing that soon.
It has both VGA and HDMI, which is great, as I plan on buying a second monitor soon. Looks like I am going to see what HD is all about (I don't have an HD TV, if you're wondering-I've never seen true HD quality graphics).
The SD card reader is hidden very well-I'm not going to give the location away. Try to find it on the pictures on the System76 website. It's nice to know I can transfer pictures and videos from my camera without using a USB port (sometimes I'm all filled up).
The front is slick-there aren't a bunch of media buttons taking up space where I could accidentally hit them when I just want to rest my hands. I love being able to relax my hands after a long session of typing.
The CD/DVD drive is practically useless in this day and age, but for gamers, going without one is not an option. I find it amazing that software is still distributed on CDs with the invention of USB drives and the Internet.
On the back, there are no ports. I'm a person who likes having some ports on the back for stationary devices like printers, but I can easily do without it, as my new printer is a network compatible one (and it doesn't give me trouble when I print over the network). The only thing on the back is a battery. Nice to know I can easily swap them out if one stops working altogether or just runs out of juice. It is obvious there has been a lot of thought put into this.
Under the Hood
Ergonomics are arguably the most important thing in a laptop. If you have an uncomfortable or poorly designed trackpad, it can inhibit your ability to move the cursor with ease. If you have a bad keyboard, that one is fairly obvious. I would be making tons of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. Fortunately, the Lemur Ultra doesn't suffer from these problems. The trackpad is hardly noticeable-both a good and bad thing. I love how it blends in, but it is so shallow, it is easy to accidentally move my hand onto the trackpad without realizing it until I see the cursor move. But, I'm sure I'll get used to it soon. It's a good thing the buttons aren't virtual, or else I couldn't stand the laptop-virtual buttons throw me off more than anything else.
You got to hand it to System76 for making such a nice, spacious keyboard. Tight keyboards are the reason I dislike netbooks-you get no room to press your fingers. The keys go down naturally, and the Fn keys actually work (many laptops I have used don't have functioning function keys). I love being able to control my music from whatever window I'm in. I also love the ability to adjust the brightness and control my wireless antenna without having to go through several menus. The only downside is on the Super key-I can tell the Ubuntu logo is just a sticker. It isn't painted on there by any means, as there is another thing painted on that it only partially covers. However, I am going to give them credit for at least trying to cover it up. I would've never noticed, had it not been for someone else seeing that on their laptop.
Now, onto the stickers. None. That's right-no stickers. I got an Intel SSD sticker, but it wasn't already on the laptop, and I think it took up too much space anyway (think 4 or 5 Windows sticker logos placed side by side). I love how they actually gave you Powered by Ubuntu stickers, but they don't actually put them on there. I like being able to choose things like this. The only reason they put stickers on there, besides for quick reference as to the CPU and OS type (Desktop, Server, etc.), was to make the laptop sound better than it really is. But, it gets ridiculous, as I've seen a laptop with a Windows 7 Ultimate, Intel i7 CPU, NVidia GPU, and some drive encryption sticker all on the same laptop. About half the space between the edge of the laptop and the trackpad was taken up. That is the reason I dislike them-they just clutter things up and make them ugly. Plus, if you don't peel them off right after you buy it, the stickers will leave behind glue and other residue if you decide to remove them later (at least in my experience, it has). So, not having any stickers on there by default is a breath of fresh air. They include 2 Powered by Ubuntu stickers-and you get to decide exactly where they go, whether it be in the middle of the screen or on top of your forehead (also-free stickers from System76 can be ordered at https://www.system76.com/community/stickers/ ).
First Boot
I have heard SSDs were fast, but I had no idea they could boot Ubuntu in 21.53 seconds (and Ubuntu is already faster than Windows, I might add). Everything is snappy. It can shutdown in 5.82 seconds, a huge plus if I'm in a hurry.
Setup was as simple as the Ubuntu setup ever was. I entered my location, username and password, WiFi details, and was ready to go. The only problem I noticed was that the Unity launcher wasn't displaying the open window arrows, but that was solved after I rebooted it.
I then got to work turning this laptop into exactly what I needed. It has all the programs I want at the moment, just the default ones plus essentials like MyAgenda, MyUnity, Menu Editor, Unity QLE Editor, TeamViewer, and Chrome.
The only freeze I have received was when I was using MyUnity, and everything locked up, and the fan got loud. But, nothing was lost or damaged, so I'm happy.
My current complaint is that the speakers are quiet and low quality, but laptop speakers are naturally softer, and aren't really known for being high quality to begin with (I'm not a music junkie, so it isn't a problem to me). But, headphones fix the quality, and having to set it to a high volume isn't a problem, as long as it's consistent (which it is).
Conclusion
This laptop is the best laptop I have ever bought. It has 8 GB of RAM (4 GB is the default, and Ubuntu just requires 0.5 GB), a 60 GB SSD (a 500 GB HDD is the default, and Ubuntu requires just 5 GB), a 3rd Generation Intel i5 CPU (i5 is the default, and you can get a 3rd gen i7 upgrade), Intel 802.11 A/G/B/N (the G/B/N is default-I got the upgrade so I could connect to my A network or my N network), an extra 6-cell battery (optional, but I like being able to take my laptop away from the desk for long periods of time), and a 1 year warranty (1 year is default, but most repairs are done in the first year).
All this for $914.00. Talk about bang for your buck. I looked all around, and didn't find any laptop that came close in either value or specs alone.
The base price is $689. They are going to refresh the Lemur Ultra soon for a more expensive (but more modern) version, so if you want a cheap laptop with good specs and compatibility with Ubuntu guaranteed, I recommend buying this laptop. One thing is for sure-this is a nice laptop. I am going to treat it as if it was a Mac, it is that nice (and it seems that they underpriced it, if you ask me).
One last thing-this is one quiet laptop. Part of it has to be given to the SSD (no moving parts means less heat is generated), but it is really a noticeable difference. My typing alone can knock out the quiet hum of the fan. I can also feel very little heat exiting the laptop. My old laptop heated up to the point where it felt like an oven baking cookies at 350 until I got an external fan, which helped. I doubt this laptop will ever require one of those.

blackbird34
July 16th, 2012, 05:45 PM
Wow.
Maybe when i'm rich i'll get one. It sounds really good. AND with about four times the power of my current mid range thing that already runs Ubuntu very happily.

I'm a Windows refugee and I'm proud of it too!

Ubun2to
July 17th, 2012, 11:56 AM
Wow.
Maybe when i'm rich i'll get one. It sounds really good. AND with about four times the power of my current mid range thing that already runs Ubuntu very happily.

I'm a Windows refugee and I'm proud of it too!

$689 base is about 2 times the price of the best netbook configs, but about 4 times the power! This is a real steal if you ask me (especially when you tally up the price of similarly spec'd laptops).

Yesterdayscamel
September 16th, 2012, 09:51 PM
Ubun2to, have you tried connecting to an external display using the HDMI port? Does it heat up / get noisy / struggle to power the display? If the Lemur can handle external displays well, then I'd be tempted to go with it over the more expensive Gazelle.

GreatDanton
September 16th, 2012, 10:11 PM
$689 base is about 2 times the price of the best netbook configs, but about 4 times the power! This is a real steal if you ask me (especially when you tally up the price of similarly spec'd laptops).

Well that's true if you live in USA. For those in Europe (like me), this isn't very cheap, since you have to pay for the shipping (which is pretty expensive IMHO).

Anyway thanks for review, because I was wondering if System 76 is really making reliable computers. Can you test one thing for me? If you draw something in Gimp (with brush make stripes across A4 paper). After that if you could select the thing you drew, select it with selection tool and go under select/float. Then try to move that square around. Is something lagging or you are able to move smooth?

I am asking this because on my computer this is lagging a little bit (I don't have System 76).

Regards.

mips
September 16th, 2012, 11:01 PM
My eyes!!!

Ubun2to
September 17th, 2012, 10:36 AM
Ubun2to, have you tried connecting to an external display using the HDMI port? Does it heat up / get noisy / struggle to power the display? If the Lemur can handle external displays well, then I'd be tempted to go with it over the more expensive Gazelle.

I do not have any devices to test the connectivity of that on.


Anyway thanks for review, because I was wondering if System 76 is really making reliable computers. Can you test one thing for me? If you draw something in Gimp (with brush make stripes across A4 paper). After that if you could select the thing you drew, select it with selection tool and go under select/float. Then try to move that square around. Is something lagging or you are able to move smooth?
I'm no expert on the GIMP, so this may be a skewed result (not sure if I did it correctly-I had to look in the HUD for float). But, I experienced no lag.

GreatDanton
September 17th, 2012, 06:19 PM
Ubun2to thanks for taking your time. I am not expert in Gimp either, but I noticed lag in Gimp, however everything was smooth in Windows. Must be a graphic drivers. Which Graphic card do you have? Intel HD4000?

Regards.

effenberg0x0
September 18th, 2012, 06:13 AM
Ubun2to thanks for taking your time. I am not expert in Gimp either, but I noticed lag in Gimp, however everything was smooth in Windows. Must be a graphic drivers. Which Graphic card do you have? Intel HD4000?

Regards.

Hey GreatDanton,

I have performed the exact test you mentioned in two PCs:

1) AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition @ 4.0GHz, 16GB Corsair DDR3@1444, Corsair Sata3 SSD, Nvidia GTS 450 using driver 304.48;

2) Asus K53E Laptop, Intel i5-2410m@2.3GHz, 8GB Corsair DDR3, Corsair Sata3 SSD, Intel Sandybridge graphics.

These PCs are reasonably fast. I constantly run one W7-Pro VM in each plus another Linux VM, Eclipse CDT, Chrome with 10's of open Tabs, many large OpenOffice Calc spreadsheets simultaneously, and had never seen them lag like this! And, at the same time, the CPU and VGA freqs were in low states, top was showing nothing out of the ordinary.

I'm no specialist in graphics software but I think there's something wrong in Gimp - the hardware, at least here, is not overloaded when running this test. I do not believe this simple operation should need something like a dual i7 + Nvidia Quadro 7000 workstation :)

It would be interesting if people with powerful hardware could repeat the same test and check.

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that maybe the lag you're seeing in this operation is not caused by your current hardware.

Regards,
Effenberg

GreatDanton
September 18th, 2012, 06:51 AM
Effenberg thank you. That's really nice to hear I am not the only one with this lag. It's just stupid that my card Ati Radeon HD 4870 (which can still play the latest games) is having such problems. I was also thinking that Gimp has problems, so I asked on Gimp forums, but it seems they don't know anything about that topic. Then I thought it's maybe because of the drivers (I didn't install any, because it's working :).

Yeah that will be interesting to see tests from different users. Maybe we should create poll here in cafe.

Regards.

effenberg0x0
September 18th, 2012, 07:35 AM
Effenberg thank you. That's really nice to hear I am not the only one with this lag. It's just stupid that my card Ati Radeon HD 4870 (which can still play the latest games) is having such problems. I was also thinking that Gimp has problems, so I asked on Gimp forums, but it seems they don't know anything about that topic. Then I thought it's maybe because of the drivers (I didn't install any, because it's working :).

Yeah that will be interesting to see tests from different users. Maybe we should create poll here in cafe.

Regards.

I thought Gimp used OpenGL and could benefit from modern cards, but apparently I was completely wrong :\ Gimp users at a local forum just answered me Gimp will *eventually* use OpenCL (it's in the roadmap) and, as of right now, it relies almost entirely on CPU power. Still, it does not justify this lag.

One other thing: Some users report that this lag only happens on Unity. I don't use any other DE besides Unity right now, so I can't test it. I'm not sure if that's true or just anti-unity propaganda.

Regards,
Effenberg

Ubun2to
September 18th, 2012, 10:11 AM
Ubun2to thanks for taking your time. I am not expert in Gimp either, but I noticed lag in Gimp, however everything was smooth in Windows. Must be a graphic drivers. Which Graphic card do you have? Intel HD4000?

Regards.

Intel HD 4000 on the 3rd gen i5.

FlameReaper
September 18th, 2012, 10:52 AM
I thought Gimp used OpenGL and could benefit from modern cards, but apparently I was completely wrong :\ Gimp users at a local forum just answered me Gimp will *eventually* use OpenCL (it's in the roadmap) and, as of right now, it relies almost entirely on CPU power. Still, it does not justify this lag.

One other thing: Some users report that this lag only happens on Unity. I don't use any other DE besides Unity right now, so I can't test it. I'm not sure if that's true or just anti-unity propaganda.

Regards,
Effenberg

Gimp (2.8.2 for me as of current) still lags proportional to how large the document is (had Gimp crashing on me more than twice on an A4-sized documents), though from what I see it has something to do with the core GTK libraries (again, just suspicion).

And the lag is reproducible in any DE I've used so far (Gnome-Shell, KDE, Unity) so I don't think it has anything to do with DE. Perhaps said users don't even know it doesn't take using Unity to notice the lag.

Then again, running the GIMP on a first-generation i7 laptop with 8GB of RAM, it has to say something about the issue. Though the GIMP experience should be better on that System76 laptop with that kind of specifications in my opinion.

GreatDanton
September 18th, 2012, 05:13 PM
One other thing: Some users report that this lag only happens on Unity. I don't use any other DE besides Unity right now, so I can't test it. I'm not sure if that's true or just anti-unity propaganda.

That's not true. I have already tested it on Xubuntu 12.04 and Linux Mint Lxde 12, and Gimp is still lagging. It's definitely anti-unity propaganda.

We should move to our own thread, so we will not spam this review =)

Regards.

mattsvensson
February 24th, 2013, 06:55 AM
Sitting in front of my new Lemur Ultra right now. I'll give the high points, from my perspective...

For reference, I got the i7-3630QM processor, 16GB of 1600MHz ram, 240GB SSD, and the Intel 6235 A/B/G/N WIFI adapter.

Good:
-Worked out of the box like a charm
-Awesome speed
-Looks beautiful
-Light weight for easy home-school transport
-Great customer support
-Quick delivery

Only things that made me go "eh":
-Because of the massive processing power the laptop has, it generates a lot of heat. Due to this, the fan can kick in fairly quick, is louder than I expected, and would be disturbing in a classroom environment (as a student, kinda important to me). Good news, you can set the CPU frequency rate and mitigate the heat issue quite easily.
-That's all....

If you don't mind throttling back the CPU while in 'quiet' environments to keep from having the fan spin up on you, this is a powerhouse of a laptop in a small package. I'll be going back to Sys76 for my future purhcases.

Sam Mills
February 25th, 2013, 05:19 AM
Sitting in front of my new Lemur Ultra right now. I'll give the high points, from my perspective...

For reference, I got the i7-3630QM processor, 16GB of 1600MHz ram, 240GB SSD, and the Intel 6235 A/B/G/N WIFI adapter.

Good:
-Worked out of the box like a charm
-Awesome speed
-Looks beautiful
-Light weight for easy home-school transport
-Great customer support
-Quick delivery

Only things that made me go "eh":
-Because of the massive processing power the laptop has, it generates a lot of heat. Due to this, the fan can kick in fairly quick, is louder than I expected, and would be disturbing in a classroom environment (as a student, kinda important to me). Good news, you can set the CPU frequency rate and mitigate the heat issue quite easily.
-That's all....

If you don't mind throttling back the CPU while in 'quiet' environments to keep from having the fan spin up on you, this is a powerhouse of a laptop in a small package. I'll be going back to Sys76 for my future purhcases.

I take it that the laptop has all Intel chipsets? If so, it's no surprise it works well. All Intel computers tend to work extremely well with linux.

I have an enterprise level Dell Latitude laptop (was $1,000 2 years ago and have 2nd gen intel i series, mine's an i5. But it still kicks butt with any linux I throw at it. Very efficient.

Ubun2to
February 26th, 2013, 11:07 AM
I take it that the laptop has all Intel chipsets? If so, it's no surprise it works well. All Intel computers tend to work extremely well with linux.

I have an enterprise level Dell Latitude laptop (was $1,000 2 years ago and have 2nd gen intel i series, mine's an i5. But it still kicks butt with any linux I throw at it. Very efficient.

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prodigy_
February 26th, 2013, 11:16 AM
All this for $...
Call now! Limited amount!

/yawn

First Taste Hooks You
February 27th, 2013, 03:28 AM
I have always been thinking of getting this model for my new Notebook, mostly would be used for class note taking and some portable web browsing if needed, maybe some little gaming if I'm in the mood. Good review could use a bit more order though.