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t0p
June 4th, 2012, 12:32 AM
During one of my infrequent walks into the town centre (a city in the UK) I came across this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=219177&stc=1&d=1338765775

It's obviously a CCTV camera (one of many n the UK, unfortunately), but this one's different. For a stat,its location is very odd: it's about half way up a hill, no commercial premises nearby to look at; and the way it's been wired to the street light seems so... strange. If the authorities had installed it, wouldn't the wiring be done to a higher standard?

Since I noticed the camera on the light posts,I've been looking out for more. With no success yet. It seems to be a one-off, surveilling nothing in particular. I've been tempted to damage the thing, just to see who comes to fix it, but of course I would never do something so despicable.

Anyone else seen this things? Any ideas about what it's supposed to be surveilling? Should I go buy myself a tin-foil hat asap? :s

KiwiNZ
June 4th, 2012, 01:54 AM
I would drive past or walk past it and not give it a second thought.

Face-Ache
June 4th, 2012, 01:57 AM
Yeah i'd be the same as KiwiNZ; you only really need to be worried about that sort of surveillance if you're doing something criminal!

Still, i agree that the wiring of it does seem rather amateurish.

top, you could ask your local council about it?

hansdown
June 4th, 2012, 02:06 AM
You should report it,t0p.

The crude wiring is questionable.

The lamp's power supply can be more elegantly tapped into, than wiring directly into the bulb socket.

QIII
June 4th, 2012, 02:08 AM
Amateurish. Suspect.

KiwiNZ
June 4th, 2012, 02:10 AM
It is probably a temp camera to study pedestrian usage or vehicle usage or Hedgehog mating habits.

Bandit
June 4th, 2012, 02:15 AM
I have suggestions of what you can do with that target camera, but I shouldnt make them. :D

wilee-nilee
June 4th, 2012, 02:19 AM
It is probably a temp camera to study pedestrian usage or vehicle usage or Hedgehog mating habits.

Gets my vote.

alexfish
June 4th, 2012, 02:57 AM
A relic from Christmas past

KiwiNZ
June 4th, 2012, 02:58 AM
It's for filming Hedgehog porn, I tell you.

MisterGaribaldi
June 4th, 2012, 02:59 AM
I'd be suspicious of it, the same as I am of ALL ATM machines' keyboards and card readers. Something like this is, as has been said up-thread, suspicious on account of the wiring. However, I'd also say it's suspicious on account of the placement you described.

One thing you might do is fake an event of some description which would almost certainly demand a response (knifing, shooting, mugging, mass zombie parade, etc.) That way, you have the benefit of not having really committed a crime, yet you've done something authorities will have to take a look at (if it is the authorities) and you could potentially see what level of response comes a-calling.

Too bad damaging public property is a crime. ;)

EDIT:

Oh yeah, and I forget where I read this once, but it seems appropriate enough in this thread: "Just because you can't prove something doesn't mean it's not true."

Eiji Takanaka
June 4th, 2012, 04:46 AM
Old words, but perhaps wise words.

You decide.

'Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.' - Thomas Jefferson

MisterGaribaldi
June 4th, 2012, 05:16 AM
First off, I believe you have mis-quoted. However, I won't blame you since the Internet equally attributes that truism to both Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. IIRC, it's Franklin who came up with it.

Secondly, it's hard to take what the American Founding Fathers said and -- sorry, I'm still chuckling at my keyboard here as I type this -- try to apply it to a country which made war on those very same gentlemen. If this isn't the height of irony, I don't know what is.

Thirdly, this is going waaaaaaaay too political for the thread to remain unlocked for long.

Lastly, I'd just like to very politely suggest there are too many other far more important things going on in the world just now (some conspiratorial in nature, some military, many political, and tons which are financial) to worry about some stupid camera on a light poll somewhere. Heck, if it were me, I might have done this just for kicks to see if I could get someone somewhere on the Internet to post about it in the first place. (And besides, vehicle accidents involving said utility and light poles happen all the time. ALL the time. It's very likely nothing to worry about or get worked up over.)

Eiji Takanaka
June 4th, 2012, 05:26 AM
Yeah i did cover that angle actually, and are of similar thought to yours, having done a brief bit of recon on the relevant birth dates of jefferson and franklin and seeing franklin, to be born earlier, one might assume he did indeed come up with the quote first. However basing such a logical decision with the intel i had available to me at the time, i didn't bother to correct myself, as going from earlier birth-dates as a reason to award quote to franklin, could easily be wrong. I would need a lot more in-depth intel to make a calculated decision on who to award the quote to, and i cross-referenced this with the amount of time/effort required, and to be fair it wasn't worth it, so i just left it with Jefferson. Good to see your on the ball though young squire ;)

It is truly sad that a "founding fathers" quote is regarded as ironic in the growing police state of things over in America, but the logic is kind of true, and relevant regardless of geographical position.

And yeah there is a lot of bad-**** going on at the mo, humanity will prevail though. ;)

alexfish
June 4th, 2012, 07:30 AM
It's for filming Hedgehog porn, I tell you.
OUCH! OUCH , , och OCH OUCH

tut tut

you would think Hedgehogs would have more sense.

Swagman
June 4th, 2012, 08:46 AM
They are springing up all over the place.. Particularly the ANPR cams.

I'm assuming they are installing them in readiness for introducing "Pay by mile" instead/as well as VED

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18277311

BigSilly
June 4th, 2012, 09:11 AM
I live in the UK too, and yes that looks extremely suspicious. I would contact your council and get them to take a look at it. There's nothing untoward about that. People contact their councils about such things all the time. I personally would want to know what's going off with that.

jockyburns
June 4th, 2012, 10:07 AM
Our local Police Force (Derbyshire) regularly put up these sort of cameras for surveillance purposes. We had one up near where I live and the police successfully managed to collar a few drug dealers.
I know the UK is supposed to be the surveillance camera capitol of the world (more cctv's per head of population), but I take the attitude, "If your doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from such surveillance."

zombifier25
June 4th, 2012, 10:49 AM
I know the UK is supposed to be the surveillance camera capitol of the world (more cctv's per head of population), but I take the attitude, "If your doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from such surveillance."

And this is the same reason the CISPA backers used in order to get it passed.

That camera looks really amateur. The government would never set up a camera like that. I would ask the local police if Animal Planet or soft set it up in order to film hedgehog porn for a documentary, and if not, have it removed. Or have it shot down with a crossbow. Either way.

3rdalbum
June 4th, 2012, 10:53 AM
I'd report it. It looks suspiciously amateurish to me. Even if it's been installed by the council, I'm sure they'd like to see how badly it was installed so the company can lose their contract.

What is it looking at? Well, maybe it's not a camera. Maybe it's a wifi repeater that an attacker is using to break into a company's network and listen for industrial secrets or banking details. It's just disguised as a camera, so people don't "see" it.

KiwiNZ
June 4th, 2012, 10:55 AM
It was put in by someone trying to steal street lamp design features

Face-Ache
June 4th, 2012, 10:56 AM
Or have it shot down with a crossbow.

Remember though, what goes up, must come down; so make sure you don't miss, as the last thing you'd want to do is kill some poor bugger two miles away with a wayward crossbow bolt :)

Oh, and if you do this, there's a good chance that the last thing the camera records will be footage of you shooting it!

alexfish
June 4th, 2012, 01:08 PM
And this is the same reason the CISPA backers used in order to get it passed.

That camera looks really amateur. The government would never set up a camera like that. I would ask the local police if Animal Planet or soft set it up in order to film hedgehog porn for a documentary, and if not, have it removed. Or have it shot down with a crossbow. Either way.

Cross bow.

We not even allowed to use a Sharp Knife to spread butter at a picnic.

Bit of a downer if you got Crusty bread.

Dragonbite
June 4th, 2012, 02:02 PM
"If you see something, say something."

forrestcupp
June 4th, 2012, 04:11 PM
It's a decoy. They put up an amateurishly installed camera to make people feel safe and proud for calling it out. Then after it is taken down, no one will suspect at all that there is hidden camera on the other side of the street that was professionally installed by the Illuminati. ;)



It is truly sad that a "founding fathers" quote is regarded as ironic in the growing police state of things over in America, but the logic is kind of true, and relevant regardless of geographical position.

What? The camera in question is in the U.K., not America.

KiwiNZ
June 4th, 2012, 08:39 PM
A friend of mine in the UK has gone and had a look at is, he advised that it is clearly a Microsoft/ Apple
Joint venture.

Bandit
June 5th, 2012, 01:10 AM
Old words, but perhaps wise words.

You decide.

'Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.' - Thomas Jefferson

I see so many mis quoting this all over the place..

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin ;-)

Bandit
June 5th, 2012, 01:18 AM
It is truly sad that a "founding fathers" quote is regarded as ironic in the growing police state of things over in America, but the logic is kind of true, and relevant regardless of geographical position.


People are becoming weak. People used to be strong and proud, even more so I believe here in the south. Now everyone just sorta caves in to issues and seeks easy solutions to problems. A strong mans stands up for himself, a stronger man stands up for others.

wilee-nilee
June 5th, 2012, 01:24 AM
This is a funny thread to say the least, a nice change of pace, not that I'm watching or anything. ;)