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timgood
March 25th, 2012, 12:21 PM
Both the current and previous versions of LibreOffice seem to contain more bugs than the tropical rainforest. Isn't it about time that Ubuntu reverted to OpenOffice?

Elfy
March 25th, 2012, 12:24 PM
Thread moved to The Community Cafe.

zombifier25
March 25th, 2012, 01:21 PM
Bugs? What bugs? It's pretty stable for me (version 3.5)
And please no OpenOffice. Oracle abandoned it for good, and I doubt Apache (which is the new maintainer of OpenOffice) will be able to do anything better than what the folks at LibreOffice have done/currently doing.

Spr0k3t
March 25th, 2012, 01:59 PM
With each new release of software you will find new bugs but at the same time you will also see some of the old bugs gone. It's the nature of the beast. As for reverting back to OOo, I hope that never happens.

JDShu
March 25th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Anything specific? Otherwise we'd have to treat you as a troll.

The general consensus I've read in reviews seems to be that recent releases of LibreOffice is less buggy than OpenOffice, not more.

On the other hand, given that the LibreOffice development office since OpenOffice is very aggressive, theoretically - and indeed LibreOffice has acknowledged it - something can easily break as they made a whole ton of changes in the underlying code. Unfortunately because OpenOffice was so badly maintained by Sun/Oracle, this is pretty much a necessary evil and required for progress. As I stated before though, few people seem to have made this complaint in reviews.

keithpeter
March 25th, 2012, 02:21 PM
Hello All

Version 3.2 -> 3.5 saw some UI changes, particularily drawing tools moved around the menus.

Specific examples of bugs welcome as I spend a lot of time in LO/oOo and would like to reproduce them.

I'm finding LO 3.5 ok as it happens.

insane_alien
March 25th, 2012, 02:40 PM
libre office has bugs, of course it does. even minesweeper has bugs.

the real question is, what are you doing about it?

even if you don't have any programming experience you can still report a bug and give as much information as you can to a developer so that s/he can fix the problem then BAM no more bug.

SemiExpert
March 25th, 2012, 03:24 PM
LibreOffice has an active developer base and has been stable since 3.3 beta. I think I've used every single iteration of Open Office, and then LibreOffice, since around 2006 and LibreOffice 3.51 is the best release so far. Even AbiWord is quite respectable these days, for people who just need a lightweight word processor.

timgood
March 25th, 2012, 03:34 PM
libre office has bugs, of course it does. even minesweeper has bugs.

the real question is, what are you doing about it?

even if you don't have any programming experience you can still report a bug and give as much information as you can to a developer so that s/he can fix the problem then BAM no more bug.

Indeed I have reported a number of bugs, particularly with Impress. I'm finding the current version much less stable than the oo in terms of crashes and formatting and save errors. The handling of animated gifs leaves lot to be desired. I'm not trolling, just baffled.

vasa1
March 25th, 2012, 03:56 PM
Indeed I have reported a number of bugs, particularly with Impress. I'm finding the current version much less stable than the oo in terms of crashes and formatting and save errors. The handling of animated gifs leaves lot to be desired. I'm not trolling, just baffled.
You could have shared the bug links at the outset. That would have been informative.

LowSky
March 26th, 2012, 12:23 AM
I'm running LibreOffice 3.5.1.2 and its pretty stable. Oh and its trolling if you don't list the bugs, lol.

vasa1
March 26th, 2012, 03:00 AM
Found one ...
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42709

knight2000
March 26th, 2012, 11:21 AM
Personally I haven't encountered any significant bugs, however I prefer the name of Open Office. Right now there aren't any significant differences between the two, so OO is usually the one I recommend to Windows users, simply because the name is easier for them to remember. Going forward I have alot of respect for Apache and haven't really seen much from the band of rebels who broke away and formed libreoffice. Only time will tell who makes the most progress. Still no decent exchange/active directory capable outlook alternative though. That's the number 1 reason I couldn't roll out Ubuntu on some desktops at this company. Evolution didn't cut it. Some of the printers here are specialist printers and we were able to work with the community in creating a driver for those, but the email client needed to be fully compatible with our existing exchange servers. After significant testing with evolution we decided to stick with the generic Windows-MSOffice solution.

lancest
March 26th, 2012, 01:03 PM
Aside from new features, bug fixing, LO devs are dumping alot of old code cruft. IMHO They are doing great work.
For OO who knows?
Advantage LO.

timgood
March 26th, 2012, 06:43 PM
I'm running LibreOffice 3.5.1.2 and its pretty stable. Oh and its trolling if you don't list the bugs, lol.
Well most of it is pretty stable except for Impress. I'm getting images being lost (placeholders sometimes visible and sometimes not) and random image placement crashes. These don't happen with OO. I fail to see why this is a troll when I'm simply reporting that IMHO OO seems more stable, Impress wise, than LO. I would like to be able to convert more people to Ubuntu, but the Impress issue makes LO unusable for professional presentations. Many of these issues have already been reported. As knight2000 says, this can be a deal breaker when trying to roll out Ubuntu for commercial use.

SemiExpert
March 26th, 2012, 07:35 PM
Well most of it is pretty stable except for Impress. I'm getting images being lost (placeholders sometimes visible and sometimes not) and random image placement crashes. These don't happen with OO. I fail to see why this is a troll when I'm simply reporting that IMHO OO seems more stable, Impress wise, than LO. I would like to be able to convert more people to Ubuntu, but the Impress issue makes LO unusable for professional presentations. Many of these issues have already been reported. As knight2000 says, this can be a deal breaker when trying to roll out Ubuntu for commercial use.

OpenOffice is still on version 3.3 - exactly where it was at the time of the first LibreOffice beta in January of 2011. OpenOffice was effectively deprecated when the developers left for the LibreOffice fork. OpenOffice isn't an alternative to LibreOffice, and it's high time to speak about OpenOffice in the past tense. It's just about as dead as John Cleese's parrot in the famous Monty Python sketch. http://www.youtube.co/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE From the official MontyPython Youtube Channel

ssam
March 26th, 2012, 09:37 PM
I dont think this is a OO vs LO thing. The LO devs are 90% the same people as the old OO devs. ubuntu never used pure upstream OO (atleast not for a long while), instead they used the go-oo 'fork', which is someways was a precursor to LO.

It is a regression in a new version that slipped through testing. This is very annoying but happens in all projects.

A distro like ubuntu like to pick up the new versions because they generally bring enough new features and bug fixes to out weight the risks. But ubuntu will very rarely bring in a whole new version of an application with an ubuntu version. (ubuntu 11.10 will stick with LO 3.4, and ubuntu 12.04 will likely stick with 3.5).

If you prefer to stick with known issues, than risk new ones, then you might want to stick to LTS versions of ubuntu. or use a distro with a slow cycle (debian or redhat/centos/scientific). If you can test new versions while they are in development, that is good. the sooner a regression is spotted the sooner it can be fixed.

i have been quite impressed with the progress of LO, compared to the slow, closed developement of OO.
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-3-new-features-and-fixes/
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-4-new-features-and-fixes/
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-5-new-features-and-fixes/

lancest
March 26th, 2012, 09:50 PM
OpenOffice isn't an alternative to LibreOffice, and it's high time to speak about OpenOffice in the past tense.

+1
In the past one reviewer stated that OO was made up of "spaghetti code".
LO is a real cleanup and you can see the speed improvements.

Proshka
March 26th, 2012, 09:50 PM
I am using LO 3.5.1.2. After copying and pasting about 45 rows to a new page in Calc the computer froze to the point that I had to shut down the system the hard way (not even the terminal worked). That happened three times this morning. IMHO, it is a serious drawback (besides the very useful "Recent documents" option that was not fixed in this release either).

JDShu
March 26th, 2012, 09:54 PM
Well most of it is pretty stable except for Impress. I'm getting images being lost (placeholders sometimes visible and sometimes not) and random image placement crashes. These don't happen with OO. I fail to see why this is a troll when I'm simply reporting that IMHO OO seems more stable, Impress wise, than LO. I would like to be able to convert more people to Ubuntu, but the Impress issue makes LO unusable for professional presentations. Many of these issues have already been reported. As knight2000 says, this can be a deal breaker when trying to roll out Ubuntu for commercial use.

It's suspected to be a troll because we can't react to anything intelligently when you don't talk about specifics. Most of us do not use LibreOffice to display animated gifs, so we didn't know that this bug existed. Personally, I use LibreOffice for inputting math formulas and reading/writing documents and in my experience, there has been no change from before. Other people, especially in reviews, import Microsoft format documents and have reported better compatibility.

Remember that you are only one user out of many. As such you have specific needs that others may not have encountered. There is always somebody who encounters more regressions that affect him than the average person. This does not mean that the program is a whole is more buggy than it was before, just that the person is very unfortunate. Bugs are fixed and in the process new bugs are created, this is just the reality of software :)

lancest
March 26th, 2012, 10:04 PM
And we have great options such as Google Documents.
No need to rely so heavily on the old MS style of computing.

timgood
March 26th, 2012, 10:41 PM
It's suspected to be a troll because we can't react to anything intelligently when you don't talk about specifics. Most of us do not use LibreOffice to display animated gifs, so we didn't know that this bug existed. Personally, I use LibreOffice for inputting math formulas and reading/writing documents and in my experience, there has been no change from before. Other people, especially in reviews, import Microsoft format documents and have reported better compatibility.

Remember that you are only one user out of many. As such you have specific needs that others may not have encountered. There is always somebody who encounters more regressions that affect him than the average person. This does not mean that the program is a whole is more buggy than it was before, just that the person is very unfortunate. Bugs are fixed and in the process new bugs are created, this is just the reality of software :)

OK. How do you know that 'most of us' don't use LibreOffice to display animated gifs? Could it be that this is just an assumption on your part? Why do people react to honest criticism of one software package as if it were an attack on the entire free software movement? It is not just an issue with animated gifs either. I'm talking about losing images and corrupted saves. I'm not the only one with problems in this (and other) departments.

I want Ubuntu to be the best operating system around. Many people, students, small business entrepreneurs, trainers and teachers amongst others need to use good presentation software. Why is it a crime to point out that there are shortcomings in the office suite 'packaged' with Ubuntu?

Of course I'm one user amongst many. That does not invalidate my point of view.

keithpeter
March 26th, 2012, 11:03 PM
I'm getting images being lost (placeholders sometimes visible and sometimes not) and random image placement crashes. These don't happen with OO.

Hello timgood and all

Which version of oOo against which version of LO? I'm not challenging, just interested as I use this software a lot.

Not noticed too many problems with LO 3.5.1.2 ubuntu build myself. I also use CentOS 6.2 which has something like oOo 3.2 ish and I do 'round trip' odp files quite often.

PS: there is always the chance that cruft removal is also removing some of the work rounds for obscure bugs...

JDShu
March 26th, 2012, 11:41 PM
OK. How do you know that 'most of us' don't use LibreOffice to display animated gifs? Could it be that this is just an assumption on your part? Why do people react to honest criticism of one software package as if it were an attack on the entire free software movement? It is not just an issue with animated gifs either. I'm talking about losing images and corrupted saves. I'm not the only one with problems in this (and other) departments.

I want Ubuntu to be the best operating system around. Many people, students, small business entrepreneurs, trainers and teachers amongst others need to use good presentation software. Why is it a crime to point out that there are shortcomings in the office suite 'packaged' with Ubuntu?

Of course I'm one user amongst many. That does not invalidate my point of view.

Oh, I'm just disputing your claim that LibreOffice that is less stable and more buggy than OpenOffice and telling you why we might think it was trolling with an OP post as terse as yours. It is not really "honest criticism" when you just say that it is buggy and use a hyperbole without telling us specifically why. In any case, I gave you an explanation about why LibreOffice might be buggier in some respects than OpenOffice in my first post of this thread.

Don't take what I say personally, I never outright called you a troll and I don't think you are.

knight2000
March 27th, 2012, 12:47 AM
I haven't been convinced by this thread that Libre Office is any better than ooo. I'm sure both versions have their bugs, but none of them have the magic spice that could convert people one way or the other. Yes by all means fix by the bugs, but there needs to be something special if you're going to win people over. To me it seems like people are telling us to adopt libreoffice because developers x, y and z are on board, without many of the actual functions being that much different. People will only switch if A you give them an functional advantage or B if you force it on them. I think with Ubuntu it was more B than A. The only reason I ever use libreoffice is because it comes out of the box in Ubuntu, not because I actively seek it out over ooo. The Internet Explorer 4 effect (people used it because it came with Windows)

lancest
March 27th, 2012, 02:10 AM
All software has bugs. I bet you could find them in the latest MS Office.

I honestly don't think (anymore) that getting the world to switch to Ubuntu or LO is the end-all.

Why?

The desktop paradigm is less important.

vasa1
March 27th, 2012, 05:29 AM
... That does not invalidate my point of view.
People are asking for bug links or links that are useful is some way. A point of view is of limited utility.
Whether it's LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice, most of us want a better product.

timgood
March 27th, 2012, 10:06 AM
People are asking for bug links or links that are useful is some way. A point of view is of limited utility.
Whether it's LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice, most of us want a better product.

This forum is for 'water cooler' type discussion. I have reported bugs, and refrained from reporting bugs that are already reported. I'm simply asking a question about the validity of packaging an office suite with an operating system. It would seem to me that POV discussion is exactly what is needed here.

timgood
March 27th, 2012, 10:13 AM
All software has bugs. I bet you could find them in the latest MS Office.

I honestly don't think (anymore) that getting the world to switch to Ubuntu or LO is the end-all.

Why?

The desktop paradigm is less important.

Of course MS Office has bugs. That's not the point. However, bugs which make the software unusable by large sections of the business and teaching/training community (deal breakers) do not assist in the aim of getting people to switch to free software. While this may not rank high in your list of priorities (after all, we're all different - apart from me - I'm just the same as everybody else) some of us see benefits in increasing the user base of Ubuntu to include people other than techno-fundamentalists.

KiwiNZ
March 27th, 2012, 10:18 AM
This forum is for 'water cooler' type discussion. I have reported bugs, and refrained from reporting bugs that are already reported. I'm simply asking a question about the validity of packaging an office suite with an operating system. It would seem to me that POV discussion is exactly what is needed here.

Agreed.

timgood
March 27th, 2012, 10:24 AM
Hello timgood and all

Which version of oOo against which version of LO? I'm not challenging, just interested as I use this software a lot.

Not noticed too many problems with LO 3.5.1.2 ubuntu build myself. I also use CentOS 6.2 which has something like oOo 3.2 ish and I do 'round trip' odp files quite often.

PS: there is always the chance that cruft removal is also removing some of the work rounds for obscure bugs...

The problems I have noticed started when LO was updated to version 3.4 in Ubuntu and have now persisted without fix to version 3.6 (Alpha) as described here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42709

One of the reasons I updated to the 3.5 release was in the hope that this had been sorted.

Interestingly, these problems do not exist in the same way in the Mac version of LO (Although there are other problems with images being lost after insertion and placeholders disappearing and random theme loss after saving).

The OO version which works is the latest 3.3 While this is not perfect, it is at least usable.

keithpeter
March 27th, 2012, 11:30 AM
The OO version which works is the latest 3.3 While this is not perfect, it is at least usable.

Hello timgood and all

I might try the 3.3.0 oOo installer from openoffice.org under my next fresh Xububtu 12.04 test install.

The IW software (Smartboard and ActiveInspire), MyMaths, LO Calc, GeoGebra and a wee bit of processing.org do for most of the interactivity I use on the whiteboard when teaching the maths, so I'm not big on animated GIFs. I tend to 'present' off the IW software and I use LO/oOo Impress to make pdfs that students can use as flash cards on their phones.

Any other bug reports? - the disappearing graphics sound worrisome, I've not seen that on Ubuntu or the portable apps windows version.

rmil
March 27th, 2012, 01:08 PM
Working as Admin for Linux there are specific bugs for both LO and Oo which has not been improved for years.

1) If you have Tray icon (Personally like that) and you have opened any kind of doc recently (writer,calc..) You might have problem when you want to restart/shutdown your computer. Of course there is solution to exit tray icon and than go restart/shutdown. For me it is ok but for regular user never install tray icon.

2) Have some users whcih are doing something large with coping huge tables from one document to another and editing it. Computer can suddenly completely freeze this bug made me lot of problems. Solution disable Java and 3D. This one is very serious.

3) Opening of doc files with tables is still not so usable. You can use for reading not for editing. Found this not so serious but users complain very often.

4) Lots of issues with cifs shares For example samba cifs with specific premissions shares only for LO and OO must be mounted with nounix,nobrl. Also LO and OO create CIFS error 13 on server for some reason.
If you can use nfs shares this is the best solution to avoid cifs' problems.

SemiExpert
March 27th, 2012, 07:19 PM
The problems I have noticed started when LO was updated to version 3.4 in Ubuntu and have now persisted without fix to version 3.6 (Alpha) as described here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42709

One of the reasons I updated to the 3.5 release was in the hope that this had been sorted.




I'd suggest that you stop using animated .gifs in your Powerpoint presentations. They're distracting and never amusing. I've been giving Powerpoint presentations since the early 2000s, long before OpenOffice Impress, and even then, it was considered very bad form to use animated .gif files. It's not appropriate to acadmeia or business. It's the sort of thing that Steve Carrell's character on the American version of The Office would do. Don't do it. Problem solved.

The OO version which works is the latest 3.3 While this is not perfect, it is at least usable.

It's from January of 2011. OpenOffice is effectively outdated, no longer under development and it isn't suitable for inclusion into a current release.

SemiExpert
March 27th, 2012, 07:22 PM
Working as Admin for Linux there are specific bugs for both LO and Oo which has not been improved for years.

1) If you have Tray icon (Personally like that) and you have opened any kind of doc recently (writer,calc..) You might have problem when you want to restart/shutdown your computer. Of course there is solution to exit tray icon and than go restart/shutdown. For me it is ok but for regular user never install tray icon.


That sounds like a Windows issue to me. I haven't made a practice of using the OpenOffice/LibreOffice system tray icon in years, mostly because I didn't like having a process running all of the time. With a modern processor, it doesn't take all that much time for LibreOffice to load in Windows. Not nearly as quick as Linux, though.

jonathonblake
March 27th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Specific examples of bugs welcome as I spend a lot of time in LO/oOo and would like to reproduce them.

It will open ODM and ODT files created with LibO 3.5.
It won't open any of my ODM files created with earlier versions of LibO or OOo. It opens about half my ODT files created with earlier versions of libO or OOo. Opening sxw files is a hit or miss affair.


jonathon

keithpeter
March 27th, 2012, 10:47 PM
It will open ODM and ODT files created with LibO 3.5.
It won't open any of my ODM files created with earlier versions of LibO or OOo. It opens about half my ODT files created with earlier versions of libO or OOo. Opening sxw files is a hit or miss affair.


jonathon

Ouch, I'm assuming the .odt files are from oOo version 2? If so, I'll reproduce that by booting an old live CD and testing it out.

I sort of 'copy up' my stuff as each new version comes in, so I have not seen huge migration issues.

I don't go as far back as sxw.

@rmil I can do something your users can't, I can keep my LO/oOo stuff separate from MS Office and only exchange PDFs. I have noticed the system tray issue myself and just stopped using it.

I always untick the Java option and I always increase the memory allocations in Options | LibreOffice | Memory. Not sure if that is superstition or not :twisted:

timgood
March 27th, 2012, 10:51 PM
I'd suggest that you stop using animated .gifs in your Powerpoint presentations. They're distracting and never amusing. I've been giving Powerpoint presentations since the early 2000s, long before OpenOffice Impress, and even then, it was considered very bad form to use animated .gif files. It's not appropriate to acadmeia or business. It's the sort of thing that Steve Carrell's character on the American version of The Office would do. Don't do it. Problem solved.

Why didn't I think of that! Of course, we should be slaves to the software, not the other way round. Have you ever seen one of my presentations? Do you even know what audience or intent they are designed for? Have you tried not being patronising? And you do know what patronising means, don't you? Simple fact: many software presentation packages handle animated gifs very well. LibreOffice, at the moment, doesn't. This is not the only problem with LO, just one of many.

Open Source software is about choice. Of course I could choose not to insert any images in my presentations and use just text. I don't.

timgood
March 27th, 2012, 10:56 PM
It's from January of 2011. OpenOffice is effectively outdated, no longer under development and it isn't suitable for inclusion into a current release.

So let's use something that doesn't work instead. Problem solved!

rmil
March 27th, 2012, 10:56 PM
That sounds like a Windows issue to me. I haven't made a practice of using the OpenOffice/LibreOffice system tray icon in years, mostly because I didn't like having a process running all of the time. With a modern processor, it doesn't take all that much time for LibreOffice to load in Windows. Not nearly as quick as Linux, though.
Not using windows at all. Tray Icon is option people find easy to access templates and other staff. The speed is not the reason.

rmil
March 27th, 2012, 11:04 PM
@keithpeter

Complitly agree. This is the right way to solve BIG headache. I have just wanted to stress these problems so people do not lose time and money.

KiwiNZ
March 27th, 2012, 11:06 PM
I stopped using Open Office/Libre Office some time back. Both involved too much faffing about in order to do simple things and to share documents with others.

Both are slow and obsolete.

keithpeter
March 27th, 2012, 11:21 PM
Have you ever seen one of my presentations?

Hello timgood and all

No I have not seen one of your Impress files, timgood, but now I'm intrigued as to what I might be missing.

Below is one of mine... it was written mostly on my netbook running 11.10 Ubuntu with 3.4.4 but then finished off on this 12.04 testing box with 3.5.1.2. I might load a copy into Impress on the PUIAS partition (RHEL 6 clone). I think that is 3.2.x or so

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/20120416-transformations.odp

Remember this is flashcards; the interactivity in the exposition bit of the lesson is me projecting Geogebra sheets, and, oddly enough, using the 'rotate' button in an Impress drawing (if you drag the centre circle out and then rotate, it demonstrates the way a flag or something moves very well).

sffvba[e0rt
March 27th, 2012, 11:31 PM
I stopped using Open Office/Libre Office some time back. Both involved too much faffing about in order to do simple things and to share documents with others.

Both are slow and obsolete.

I had to install Office in haste only a few days ago to be able to fill in a form and print it as it was needed urgently for me to be able to continue going to work... The FOSS alternatives just couldn't handle the file correctly.

Sadly this has nothing to do with the FOSS alternatives being bad, just the way the world is geared towards using MS Office. Other than that they work great and I haven't ever noticed a speed issue (apart from the initial start-up sometimes).


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jonathonblake
March 28th, 2012, 12:18 AM
Ouch, I'm assuming the .odt files are from oOo version 2?

Most, if not all of them are from Lib0 3.x. Some are from OOo 3.x, and maybe one or two from OOo 2.x.


I don't go as far back as sxw.

I was using sxw with OOo 2.x. I dropped using sxw when I concluded that OOo 3.0.0 was slightly better than OOo 1.1.5 and OOo 1.1.3 for the type of documents I create/edit/work on.

jonathon

jonathonblake
March 28th, 2012, 12:49 AM
The FOSS alternatives just couldn't handle the file correctly.

I've found the same issue with MSO.

More pointedly, I've found MSO to be more incompatible with MSO, than OOo was with MSO. (It is a tossup as to MSO 2010 being more incompatible with MSo 2010 than MSO2003 is with MSO 2003. Neither play nicley with themselves, much less other programs.)

jonathon

keithpeter
March 31st, 2012, 07:32 PM
Hello All

Just to say that installing the GB version of openoffice.org 3.3.0 on a fresh Ubuntu 12.04 install with the full gnome-desktop works fine.

Basic Gnome-Desktop on top of netinstall (no LO or Firefox or Unity)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1949696

Install oOo 3.3.0

http://www.unixmen.com/oracles-openofficeorg-330-is-released-with-installation-instructions-for-ubuntu-fedora-centos-debian-linuxmint/

The soccer_player_animated.gif works fine. I have every reason to suppose that removing LO and installing oOo 3.3.0 on a Unity install would work as well.

SemiExpert
March 31st, 2012, 08:39 PM
Hello All

Just to say that installing the GB version of openoffice.org 3.3.0 on a fresh Ubuntu 12.04 install with the full gnome-desktop works fine.

Basic Gnome-Desktop on top of netinstall (no LO or Firefox or Unity)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1949696

Install oOo 3.3.0

http://www.unixmen.com/oracles-openofficeorg-330-is-released-with-installation-instructions-for-ubuntu-fedora-centos-debian-linuxmint/

The soccer_player_animated.gif works fine. I have every reason to suppose that removing LO and installing oOo 3.3.0 on a Unity install would work as well.

That tutorial is from October 20, 2010! Again, it's not advisable to install software dating from January 25, 2011. I'll say it again: OpenOffice was effectively deprecated when the developers left for LibreOffice.

keithpeter
March 31st, 2012, 09:18 PM
That tutorial is from October 20, 2010! Again, it's not advisable to install software dating from January 25, 2011. I'll say it again: OpenOffice was effectively deprecated when the developers left for LibreOffice.

Well, timgood was worried about his animated GIFs, and I'm doing this on a 'throwaway' installation on this development box under 12.04.

I use oOo 3.2.1 on a regular basis on the CentOS/PUIAS partition, and have 3.0 or something on the CentOS 5.7 installation on the old laptop.

I used Microsoft Office 2000 for something like 8 years...but yes, I agree that people might be better off sticking with the default install unless they have strong reasons to do otherwise.

pt123
April 1st, 2012, 12:51 AM
3.5 is good but I hate the inability to set default settings/templates for creating charts in Calc.

DenysT
April 1st, 2012, 07:43 PM
Two observations about LibreOffice.

I like to use justified first line indent for my paragraphs. However whenever I first save a document with the settings I choose the next time I open it the line spacing has been reset 0 (default is 6 points). If I then go and set line spacing to 6 and save and reopen yet again it is 6. Why does the first save do what it does and subsequent saves don't? I haven't tried resetting measurements to inches or centimeters to see if that could be the cause but I doubt it because if I modifiy line space for headings I don't see this happening.

There is a severe lack of a good help forum for Libre Office. Period.