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RAV TUX
June 8th, 2006, 04:32 AM
Sun Steers Ubuntu Linux to Sparc

By Jay Lyman
LinuxInsider
05/31/06 5:00 AM PT
Sun Microsysytems(Nasdaq: SUNW) partnered with a somewhat unlikely ally as it announced Tuesday that the popular Ubuntu Linux operating system (OS) would run on its latest Sparc servers, the 'Niagara'-based Sun Fire T1000 and T2000 enterprise servers.
The two may combine for a powerful server punch, as Sun's Ultra-Sparc T1 servers provide for multi-core, multi-threaded parallel computing that could be leveraged by Ubuntu. This Debian-based Linux OS is wildly popular because of its ease of use, but is largely limited to desktop computing.
Sun said the next version of Ubuntu, 6.06 "Dapper Drake," expected early in June, would be the first Linux operating system to support the Niagara-based servers. However, there were questions about why Sun did not partner with a larger Linux brand such as Red Hat (Nasdaq: RHAT) or Novell (Nasdaq: NOVL) , and whether Sun's latest Linux moves could have much impact.
"Overall, based on performance, I don't think the market will resist this," Interarbor Solutions President and Principal Analyst Dana Gardner told LinuxInsider. "On the other hand, the market has not been overly impacted before by Sun and its work with Linux vendors."

Important Distro

Canonical's Ubuntu, a community-developed Linux distribution praised for its simple, trouble-free operation, is one of the most important, if not the most important of Linux distributions in the world, according to Sun Executive Vice President John Fowler.
"The availability of both Solaris and Linux-based operating systems on the Niagara platform will further expand our lead in delivering chip multi-threaded innovation and choice to consumers," he said.
Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth indicated an active OpenSparc community has been working on the Sparc platform, and the promise of Sun's "CoolThreads" or Niagara-based servers was a "natural fit" for the next version of Ubuntu, which was described as "enterprise-ready."
Sun said the Sun Fire T1000 would be priced at US$2,995, and the T2000 at $7,795, with Canonical Ubuntu support available starting at $700 a year for each machine.
Preferred Partner?

Gardner said the announcement shows Sun found a Linux partner for Sparc, while Ubuntu found a willing processor provider to add to [/URL]AMD(NYSE: AMD) , Intel (http://www.amd.com/) (Nasdaq: INTC) , and IBM (NYSE: IBM) , which already support the Linux OS in the server market. He questioned Sun's choice of Ubuntu, however.
"It seems Sun is entering this with partners looking to move up the food chain, in this case, from desktop to server," Gardner said of the deal with Ubuntu. "One would think some larger Linux distribution may have been more preferential."
Indicating Sun is "still mending fences" with the open source community, Gardner doubted whether the Ubuntu announcement would shift perspectives on the company.
Thoroughbred Contender

Gardner did indicate the Ubuntu-Sparc combination could be as appealing to enterprise IT shops as the Ubuntu OS is to Linux fans.
"Because these are such high-performance servers and aggressively priced, a very stable Linux server distro on these servers could be a real racehorse," he said. "The price-performance aspects could be appealing. It could be a thoroughbred that could run aggressively with the rest of the pack."
The key for the partnership will be the Ubuntu community's ability to exploit the Sun hardware's parallel computing capabilities, Gardner noted.
"For overall success, there's going to be a need for more community development around the specific hardware Sun has here," he said, calling the 10-month porting of Ubuntu to Sparc "a good start."
Shading the Sun

However, Sun's struggles in the server market and past open source efforts continued to be cause for skepticism. The Ubuntu on Sparc announcement was downplayed by some industry analysts, including Illuminata Senior Analyst Gordon Haff.
"Sun is not in the foreseeable future going to push Linux on Sun very hard," Haff told LinuxInsider. "They're not going to push Linux on Sparc. There's really no reason for them to."
The success of Linux in corporate servers centers on the x86 platform, and even grander efforts toward Linux on other platforms, such as IBM's Linux on Power strategy, have been relegated to niche markets, Haff explained.
As for Ubuntu, Haff said it is doubtful another Linux distribution can significantly cut into the market of the established enterprise Linux flavors, namely Red Hat and Novell's Suse .
"It's hard to see how that is going to happen with any of the other distributions," he said, doubting whether vendors such as [URL="http://www.oracle.com/"] (http://www.ibm.com/)Oracle (Nasdaq: ORCL) or IBM are willing to test their applications to a third or fourth Linux distribution.
Stressing the situation is no reflection of the quality of another distro, such as Ubuntu, Haff said enterprise customers want familiarity, certified applications and external support.
"As an enterprise distribution, requirements change," he said



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BWF89
June 8th, 2006, 12:58 PM
Why would they choose Ubuntu, a distro designed for the desktop? You'd have thought they would have chosen Fedora Core or Debian if they wanted a stable server OS. Isn't even the Ubuntu website hosted with Fedora Core?

But I guess the more people useing it the better so I shouldn't be complaining.

bruce89
June 8th, 2006, 01:00 PM
Why would they choose Ubuntu, a distro designed for the desktop? You'd have thought they would have chosen Fedora Core or Debian if they wanted a stable server OS. Isn't even the Ubuntu website hosted with Fedora Core?
No, see http://archive.ubuntu.com/
Apache/2.1.3 (Ubuntu) Server at archive.ubuntu.com Port 80
and - http://www.kubuntu.org/ at the bottom of the page

Powered byhttp://www.kubuntu.org/images/kubuntu-banner.png

mostwanted
June 8th, 2006, 01:03 PM
Why did you include the ad?

bruce89
June 8th, 2006, 01:04 PM
Why did you include the ad?
(ignore)

BWF89
June 8th, 2006, 01:12 PM
@Bruce89: Mabye not now, but before it was either UbuntuForums or the Ubuntu website that was hosted with Fedora Core.


Why did you include the ad?
Because if you go into Quick Links > Edit Options and scoll to the bottom thers 3 different ways to post:
-Basic Editor: a simple textbox
-Standard Editor: extra formatting controls (forum default)
-Enhanced Interface: a full WYSIWIG editor

If he copied and pasted the whole article and was useing the Enhanced Interface than it'll copy all the links, ads, and images.

prizrak
June 8th, 2006, 01:13 PM
Well actually for Dapper Drake the plan was always to have a server version. Perhaps the point is in not mixing OS's. For the most part each Linux distribution is a different OS so it would be easier for an Admin to deal with a park of Ubuntu desktops and servers as opposed to having to configure Debian on the server and Ubuntu on desktops along with having to apply different patches to different machines (Debian patches don't always work on Ubuntu and vice versa). I'm sure that huge popularity of Ubuntu on the desktop made it an attractive server partner. Or maybe Mark and whoever is in charge of Sun right now were drinking together the night before and thought it would fun to do that :)

Sushi
June 8th, 2006, 01:23 PM
Why would they choose Ubuntu, a distro designed for the desktop?

Last time I checked, there's a server-version available as well ;).

Astrophobos
June 8th, 2006, 01:53 PM
Last time I checked, there's a server-version available as well ;).

Yeah. I use it on my production server since hoary and it rock !

G Morgan
June 8th, 2006, 03:06 PM
This sort of thing was always going to happen. Eventually the top Distro (should Linux continue to grow) will be a desktop and server based one simply because people prefer working with one system. It should be accepted because it doesn't hurt choice like many would attest since much of the gains would be shared.

In terms of Ubuntu this should provide more finance to futher improve the free OS.

mostwanted
June 8th, 2006, 03:10 PM
@Bruce89: Mabye not now, but before it was either UbuntuForums or the Ubuntu website that was hosted with Fedora Core.


Because if you go into Quick Links > Edit Options and scoll to the bottom thers 3 different ways to post:
-Basic Editor: a simple textbox
-Standard Editor: extra formatting controls (forum default)
-Enhanced Interface: a full WYSIWIG editor

If he copied and pasted the whole article and was useing the Enhanced Interface than it'll copy all the links, ads, and images.

There's no reason he couldn't remove it after pasting. And he just did.

RAV TUX
June 10th, 2006, 07:21 PM
If he copied and pasted the whole article and was useing the Enhanced Interface than it'll copy all the links, ads, and images.
Thanks for giving the explanation.

I went back and edited out the links in my original post.

My apologies Most wanted.( btw next time just PM me, I actually posted then got distracted and forgot about this thread,until today)