11.10 is out!

[Gwaro]

What is the time of release for Ubuntu 11.10? I have been waiting for this day!

[Elfy]

Here we go again then.

It'll be released when it's released.

moved to cafe - not a support request

http://thisisthecountdown.com/

[Gwaro]

Here we go again then.

It'll be released when it's released.

moved to cafe - not a support request

http://thisisthecountdown.com/

ok

[liquidmonkey]

ubuntu's homepage does not have 11.10 for download yet?
is there another page where i get the official release?

cause u know, its oct 13th in sweden already :)

[johnnie1uk]

Its not officially released yet, possibly at 11.10 Ubuntu time

[neoshadow]

It is already afternoon in China......

[Sef]

Moved to recurring discussions because this always gets asked each release date.

[BlinkinCat]

Predict release in 2 hours 10 minutes - ;)

[neoshadow]

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20111012/

Lets see whether it is or not?!!!

[fontis]

I think it's going to be released end of this month, just like with 11.04.

[BlinkinCat]

Predict release in 2 hours 10 minutes - ;)

Wrong...........:D

[el_koraco]

Don't install 10.10 this week, all the servers are gonna be clogged up to oblivion, and your updates will last for ever.

[Alwimo]

This is a countdown to its official release: http://thisisthecountdown.com/ Currently under 8 hours to go.

But you could just download the daily version. It's the same. I'm already running 11.10 this way, and have been for a while.
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20111012/

[effenberg0x0]

See Screenshot.


Have fun!

Regards,
Effenberg

EDIT: The url is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.10/release/

[effenberg0x0]

Just verified that there's no change on ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso from latest test.
Same MD5: 62fb5d750c30a27a26d01c5f3d8df459

Regards,
Effenberg

BTW: Hashes Published: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes

[23dornot23d]

Cheers ,,,

Got the 386 version .... and now downloading the 64 bit DVD - good download speeds at the moment

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.10/release/

[SushiR]

It's not visible via ubuntu.com ...

[greg_s50]

Hi,

You can download it from here if main server are down :

www.daupheus.com/ubuntu/ (http://www.daupheus.com/ubuntu/)

It's a French mirror !

[dhor]

My Xubuntu 11.10 Beta2 got about 250MB updates today.

Something gonna happen :)

[szymon_g]

http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/
enjoy :)

[effenberg0x0]

It's not visible via ubuntu.com ...

See the URL in my screenshot above.

OBS: Downloads were lightning fast at first... dying now.

Regards,
Effenberg

[mips]

We know.

[psychokilla]

Well I tried doing an in place update on my home server and it broke the same as this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/856810). Thanks for that, I knew Oneiric wasn't fit for release.

So now I go to download the server final to do a fresh install and it's not there, when is the release?

[BlinkinCat]

This is a countdown to its official release: http://thisisthecountdown.com/ Currently under 8 hours to go.

Wondering what this countdown is to - ;)

[effenberg0x0]

Burning amd64 and i386 ISOs to USB via the Windows and Linux methods / software explained in Ubuntu.com Download Page tutorial (Universal USB Installer / Startup Disk Creator) page works OK and produce bootable USB sticks. Lets see how the rest of the install goes.

Regards,
Effenberg

[lamb123]

where to get kubuntu 11.10?

[Docaltmed]

hmmph. So when's it going to come through the repos? I just want to upgrade, not reinstall.

[plucky]

where to get kubuntu 11.10?

Here (http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/oneiric/)

[KenSharp]

Just verified that there's no change on ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso from latest test.
Same MD5: 62fb5d750c30a27a26d01c5f3d8df459

Regards,
Effenberg

BTW: Hashes Published: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes

So it's not out out then.

[CosmicFlux]

This release has been controversial to say the least. I've heard nothing but griping about Unity since it was implemented in 11.04 but I've REALLY been looking forward to 11.10.

From the LiveCD builds I've tried it looks absolutely fantastic. The subtle changes to lighting and whatnot have really put it up there in terms of user interface. The new software centre looks stunning and LightGM is a much better solution.

Well done to the devs!


Cosmic

[effenberg0x0]

where to get kubuntu 11.10?

Lurk here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/

Not sure if Kubuntu, Mythbuntu, etc are updates. Check files, Md5, etc.

Regards,
Effenberg

[KenSharp]

I can't even get on the servers since this message was posted. Complete slow down.

[Red_Steve]

So it's not out out then.

All this proves is that there is no current difference between a possible release version of 11.10 and the last test build. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[rmcellig]

Maybe I'm jumping the gun but wasn't 11.10 supposed to be available for download today? The Ubuntu site still has 11.04.

[Mark Phelps]

Don't know where YOU live, but here, today is nowhere near over yet ...

The posting generally goes up late in the day.

And besides, the first day it comes out, the servers are swamped and the ISO download takes forever!

You would do better waiting a couple of days to get it.

[effenberg0x0]

So it's not out out then.

Yeah, its not out. They erased the BETA directory and created files for all platforms (amd, i386, mac, alternate, server, etc) in a RELEASE folder, equal to that of the previous distributions. The date / times of the ISOs is also newer than the latest betas. But hey, it's not out.

Regards,
Effenberg

[effenberg0x0]

Oneiric Update instructions at Ubuntu Documentation:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades

Good read.

Regards,
Effenberg

[psychokilla]

Wow, sarcastic much?

Also...


Network Upgrade for Ubuntu Servers (Recommended)

Install update-manager-core if it is not already installed:

sudo apt-get install update-manager-core

edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal

Launch the upgrade tool:
sudo do-release-upgrade -d
Follow the on-screen instructions.

Exactly what I did and it broke my server.

[liquidmonkey]

good work on finding that timer.
odd that its not on ubuntu.com or any info for that matter.

[jakobb]

looks nice on my x200 :)
just testing it from USB before upgrading

only one thing makes me a bit sad:
Some windows are not resizeable :(

I cant make the system settings window full screen ..

anyway, thanks for the link to 11.10!

[effenberg0x0]

Published on Ubuntu.com main page:
http://www.ubuntu.com/

Regards,
EFfenberg

[shubham1]

ubuntu website has not been updated

[effenberg0x0]

Published on Ubuntu.com main page:
http://www.ubuntu.com/

EDIT: See screenshots.........

Regards,
EFfenberg

[PaulInBHC]

The online tour is nice.

[rmcellig]

Like you Mark, I am a new Ubuntu addict. I live in Canada. Looking forward to installing a clean copy on my test laptop!!

[shubham1]

ubuntu website has not been updated
updated now

[Elysius]

4 hours left since this post.

http://thisisthecountdown.com/

[MARP1961]

It's here chaps! Try this: http://www.ubuntu.com/

[alexfish]

hmmph. So when's it going to come through the repos? I just want to upgrade, not reinstall.

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/upgrade

[MARP1961]

Here it is: http://www.ubuntu.com/

[ubu_dynamite]

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/

[nomko]

Here it is: http://www.ubuntu.com/

Does nobody read the forum thoroughly:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1858902

[MARP1961]

http://www.ubuntu.com/

[nomko]

Does nobody read the forum thoroughly:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1858902

[nomko]

Does nobody read the forum thoroughly:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1858902

[Cobalto]

I'm downloading at a measly 90 KB/sec and falling, directly from the website, and the Torrent is as yet devoid of peers. This is going to take a while : (

[lamb123]

sweet

[Frogs Hair]

Downloading now , It just appeared on this Mirror about 10 minutes ago .

[cryptotheslow]

Coming down at ~500kB/s from the website here in the UK. Pretty impressed with that :D

[effenberg0x0]

Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseNotes

Good overview on the section "Known Issues".

Regards,
Effenberg

[MARP1961]

We (and I include myself) get excited! Let's hope it lives up to the expectations.

[ashwinrao]

On line tour is awesome! Good work in promoting Ubuntu! :popcorn:

[ubu_dynamite]

Downloaded 64bit dvd torrent image a hour ago 5.5Mbyte/s, uploading with 1.1Mbyte/s.

[MARP1961]

Yes, mine's safely in Downloads folder too.

[Johnb0y]

We (and I include myself) get excited! Let's hope it lives up to the expectations.

+1

think i know what i will be doin at the weekend! :p

[MasterMIKE]

Yaaaaay! =D

[Johnb0y]

Does nobody read the forum thoroughly:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1858902

answer to your q... erm... erm... i take it... nope. lol!

[thatguruguy]

but who in their right minds is going to go for it, and be stuck with the execrable Unity? Sometime soon I'm off to Mint as they don't insist on foisting a frankly dreadful desktop off on us!

Good bye and good luck!

[Elysius]

That's quick! Let's do this.

[arashiko28]

Looking at the download rate every 2 minutes to see if magically instantly downloads...:D

[effenberg0x0]

but who in their right minds is going to go for it, and be stuck with the execrable Unity? Sometime soon I'm off to Mint as they don't insist on foisting a frankly dreadful desktop off on us!

Hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands users in the next few hours. Much more in the upcoming days. Including you, who in 48 to 96 hours tops will be at the forum asking for help with something.

Regards,
Effenberg

[x C0MMAND0 x]

Currently download 32 and 64bit torrents both around 500-800 KiB/s, also will seed them throughout the day to help share the wealth.

[ventrical]

Hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands users in the next few hours. Much more in the upcoming days. Including you, who in 48 to 96 hours tops will be at the forum asking for help with something.

Regards,
Effenberg


How true..

Unity has really made some significant advances IMHO. I have 4 installs and they are all primarily running Unity 3D and it's just really equisite. Working in unison with Cario-Dock puts Unity over the top. It's a "job well done"!!! and even has the elements of elegance and stability of Mint.

[shubham1]

really the tour is awe some and ubuntu 11.10 too

[Hylas de Niall]

but who in their right minds is going to go for it, and be stuck with the execrable Unity? Sometime soon I'm off to Mint as they don't insist on foisting a frankly dreadful desktop off on us!

I will. Just so's i have the iso.
I'm already running the updated beta 2, and loving it!
:D

[Elfy]

merged

[rmcellig]

275k download at my end. Pretty happy with that! Is there a thread or place I can go to to read the initial impression of 11.10 from users?

[thatguruguy]

Folks, enjoy the new Ubuntu. No reason to argue the virtues of it with someone who has stated since last May that he was going to move over to Mint.

[collisionystm]

What is the powering the 11.10 'Take the Tour' on the website? Anyone know how to make one of those yourself?

http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/

[ronacc]

I'll d/l it sometime today , switch to G/S and be ready to alter my sources.list as soon as the Pornographic parrot repos open :p

[Mark Phelps]

The downloads are generally available late in the day.

But today, the servers are going to be swamped. So, it will take a LONG time to download the ISO image you want.

You would do better waiting a day or two -- when the servers are not so loaded and you can download faster.

[CharlesA]

Torrents would be the best way to get the iso, especially on release day.

[effenberg0x0]

Folks, enjoy the new Ubuntu. No reason to argue the virtues of it with someone who has stated since last May that he was going to move over to Mint.

True. I feel like a new release is like a Birthday Party, you know. For people that use it daily for a long time, or those that have just started but understand what it is about, for the helpers, developers, translators or just fans, etc. For God sake, LoCo teams are doing parties to celebrate it. Why would anyone try to ruin a birthday party by saying "WTF are you celebrating? We're all gonna die eventually, life sux"...

Moreover, Linux is Linux. You know how to use it, or you don't. You can even do your own distro if you want to, whatever. But go find another distro with such a nice, helpful, dedicated and involved community. I seriously doubt one can find it.

And also, why would anyone that is technically so capable of defining Unity as trash have any trouble using gnome-shell or whatever other solution? I mean, honestly, one can switch to gnome-shell or anything else with less than 100 characters in terminal.

Anyway, lets be happy, forget haters.

Regards,
Effenberg

[Ric_NYC]

Upgrading now to Kubuntu 11.10.

Let's see what's new. I haven't read anything about the new features.

[LowSky]

LOL, Downloading 11.10 by torrent has taken me longer than direct download from Ubuntu.com. How funny is that!

[juancarlospaco]

Ubuntu Official .ISO of 23Mb
(Minimal CD, Advanced Users only, CLI install)

32-BIT:
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso

64-BIT:
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso

[thatguruguy]

" Including you, who in 48 to 96 hours tops will be at the forum asking for help with something" -actually, I won't! - it took forever updating to 11.04 and took the best part of a wasted day getting everything working properly - like a great many people I've tried Unity and found it to be frankly dreadful in all respects (I don't have a touch screen toy, but a proper computer with a keyboard) - thanks to the team's arrogance in ignoring the vast majority who dislike it I'm off to Mint (I've already got 4 other computers running superbly on it) - just this one to go!

... and it only took you 5 months? Well done.

Also, there are other Linux distributions out there which maintain forums. There are also several different forums for Windows users and Mac users. Please make sure to go to each and every one of those forums and let them know that you're using Mint, rather than that particular OS or distro. I'm sure they'd be equally as interested.

[thatguruguy]

far better than just walking away without saying "why?"

I disagree with that, and would further state that this is the wrong thread in which to post your complaints. There's an entire sub-forum for that.

[effenberg0x0]

I don't have a touch screen toy, but a proper computer with a keyboard

Some of us take care of 500, 1000 or more PCs locally / remotely. I think IT guys here already have 2 or 3 floors of employees using Oneiric locally...No idea remotely, probably much more. Don't know what that means. A touch screen toy is a tablet? You lost me.

You recognize the existence of gnome-shell, classic-gnome, etc? ONE COMMAND and you're back to the interface you like.

http://www.webupd8.org/2011/08/installing-using-classic-gnome-desktop.html

Regards,
Effenberg

[effenberg0x0]

I posted for the simple reason that I hoped I could add my voice to the others who utterly loathe Unity yada yada yada

Where are they?

Regards,
Effenberg

[slackthumbz]

I, for one, am not fond of Unity or Gnome 3. The continuing restriction of customisability is incredibly frustrating as is the arrogance of the developers to assume they know what the user wants better than the user him/herself. Xfce4 is, in my opinion, much much better.

[PC_load_letter]

I'm posting from 11.10 live CD right now, and I like it! Much snappier than Natty, I'm not sure if it's due to Gnomwe 3, but man it's very responsive, and forget about FireFox, Chromium is blindingly fast.

I thought I caught a bug with the Software Center, you can't close it from the close button on the unmaximized window, you have to click the close button on the global menu, anyone experienced this?

If there is one thing that needs to change, is the icon theme, it doesn't look right, HINT HINT....Make Faenza the default theme.
Another one, as many have said, is to separate unity from the global menu making it essentially a dock of some sort.

But overall, GREAT work done here, congrats Canonical on what seems to be an awesome release.

EDIT: The Software Center behavior above was probably due to its being busy. There is a bigger problem with Chromium. While Chromium is active, it doesn't show on the app switcher (alt + tab), so if you minimize it, it's impossible to maximize it back, it just stays hidden.
Can anyone confirm?

[effenberg0x0]

I, for one, am not fond of Unity or Gnome 3. The continuing restriction of customisability is incredibly frustrating as is the arrogance of the developers to assume they know what the user wants better than the user him/herself. Xfce4 is, in my opinion, much much better.

There have been months of discussions, betas, features that were added and removed, usability tests, arguments, etc. Many people were active in such events. The result of all these voices is what Oneiric is. I don't feel like anyone was really left out.

I understand and respect how some will prefer Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, etc. It is a great thing that Ubuntu has such flavors. I myself am a fan of e17.

We must not forget that Ubuntu is not just about Unity or any other GUI. We're talking about a new Kernel, hundreds of bugs fixed, new apps, security fixes, many improvements.

Regards,
Effenberg

[slackthumbz]

There have been months of discussions, betas, features that were added and removed, usability tests, arguments, etc. Many people were active in such events. The result of all these voices is what Oneiric is. I don't feel like anyone was really left out.

I understand and respect how some will prefer Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, etc. It is a great thing that Ubuntu has such flavors. I myself am a fan of e17.

We must not forget that Ubuntu is not just about Unity or any other GUI. We're talking about a new Kernel, hundreds of bugs fixed, new apps, security fixes, many improvements.

Regards,
Effenberg

Unity is the only thing in the default Ubuntu release that I don't like but that's easily fixed by installing xfce once the install is finished. I like the default application selection. I'm a little baffled by all the posts where people are shouting about switching distros when they could simply switch DE's.

[wolfen69]

And besides, the first day it comes out, the servers are swamped and the ISO download takes forever!



Use torrents! Geez people, I can't believe no one ever mentions it. You'll probably get blazing speeds.

[ubupirate]

Use torrents! Geez people, I can't believe no one ever mentions it. You'll probably get blazing speeds.

I always use torrent to get Ubuntu. It's way much faster and I can pause/resume whenever I want, and then give back to Ubuntu by seeding for however long I want. 8)

[Nyromith]

Blazing speed, 0.1 KB/s.
Torrents are useless with high demand and low offer, such as brand new releases.

[wolfen69]

Blazing speed, 0.1 KB/s.
Torrents are useless with high demand and low offer, such as brand new releases.

I guess you'll have to wait until there are more seeders, huh? Have a little patience people.

[ubupirate]

Blazing speed, 0.1 KB/s.
Torrents are useless with high demand and low offer, such as brand new releases.

Really?

I just downloaded the ISO at 1.9 MB/s constant, and now seeding at 90% of my upstream.

[wolfen69]

www.distrowatch.com finally has it listed! Yay!

[wolfen69]

Really?

I just downloaded the ISO at 1.9 MB/s constant, and now seeding at 90% of my upstream.

I could max mine out too if I wanted, but have it throttled at 400kbs. No problems here.

[ShapeShifta]

I, for one, am not fond of Unity or Gnome 3. The continuing restriction of customisability is incredibly frustrating as is the arrogance of the developers to assume they know what the user wants better than the user him/herself. Xfce4 is, in my opinion, much much better.

I found out how to change fonts and install themes for gnome 3 so I am fine with it now. The so called advance settings like changing fonts, icons were in the gnome-tweak-tool that is not installed by default. You still need to install themes and icons manually but it's better than nothing. I kinda got tired of unity's issues, but I have not tried out what improvements were made in 11.10. Gnome 3 has been snappy and has played videos without any stuttering and a/v sync issues. I think I just simply prefer gnome 3 over unity.

[CosmicFlux]

Man, I really can believe some of the reactions to this release. People switching distros...really?! If you don't like Unity you don't have to use it...it's not like there aren't other options. I've installed the G3 fallback because Unity is a little buggy at present, but I'm sure that's nothing that some updates over the coming months wont sort out.

My only issue so far is getting used to that bar at the left side of the screen. I kinda like a clean desktop and it's taking up space there. Is there an auto-hide at present?

Seriously folks, lets cool down and start thinking logically!

Cosmic

[effenberg0x0]

Man, I really can believe some of the reactions to this release. People switching distros...really?! If you don't like Unity you don't have to use it...it's not like there aren't other options. I've installed the G3 fallback because Unity is a little buggy at present, but I'm sure that's nothing that some updates over the coming months wont sort out.

My only issue so far is getting used to that bar at the left side of the screen. I kinda like a clean desktop and it's taking up space there. Is there an auto-hide at present?

Seriously folks, lets cool down and start thinking logically!

Cosmic

Hey, if you install compiz-config-settings-manager, goto the Ubuntu Unity Plugin. There you can set the "Hide Launcher" option to Auto-Hide, Dodge Window, Dodge Active Window (auto-hide, etc), as well as reduce the icons size, increase/decrease transparency of the launcher (left) and panel (top), etc. Warning: adjusting ccsm settings can be a little unstable, in the sense that you might have to restart your session. So save your work before playing with it.

Regards,
Effenberg

[rmcellig]

I have Ubuntu 10.10 running fine on my laptop but how the heck do you set the background color/pattern to a nautilus window. I find it hard looking at a white background all the time.

[himynameiskevin]

lenovo thinkpad t60p laptop
ati firegl v5250 video chip

running *nix is terrifying on this laptop, the GPU idles around 80-90C and i saw it get up to 109C earlier before i turned desktop effects off. was hoping that 11.10 would possibly solve this somehow, but, nope. have tried freebsd, old versions of linux w/ ati proprietary drivers, etc, nothing works. windows runs like a dream, though. not really related but i wanted to complain about it somewhere.

very very pleased with the aesthetics of unity, though with a few exceptions: ditch the orange already, jeez + no easy way of changing theme colors + no way to relocate the dock thing + clicking and dragging dock items does not move them in 2d mode, but just drags them all for a reason that i cannot figure out + no easy way to change anything really. good thing it looks pretty good the way it is...

also worth noting, the fonts are beautiful in ubuntu these days

[PuddingKnife]

Been using 11.10 for about a month now on my main machine, because I'm crazy like that. I really enjoy it.

I miss the ability to customize the DE like I had circa 10.10, but it really isn't that much of a bother to me. I think more customization options will present themselves once Gnome 3 and Unity matures a bit.

Really, if you look at how far Unity has come in just 6 months, it's kind of amazing. I really like it so far, and I'm really looking forward to 12.04 now.

[ryuguns]

I've been waiting, I'm going to upgrade from update manager. XD

Unity looks so much better.

[ubupirate]

Alright so, I decided to give 11.10 another try with dual boot and it seems to be working and cooperating a lot better than alpha/beta/dailybuild.

Will keep dual booting along side 10.04 for awhile and see if I want to go full fresh install solo or not...

[SushiR]

Been using 11.10 for about a month now on my main machine, because I'm crazy like that. I really enjoy it.

I've been using it since alpha 1 and (like always) it soon degraded my main system as a "backup system" (in case something went really bad). And still, I'm delighted as a kid that gets a new toy, to finally install it as my main system. (Which is exactly what I'm doin right now.) There's nothing better than a fresh install of a fresh OS release...

[Vorian Grey]

Been kicking the tires and trying it out like I do ever release. I was impressed enough with this one to install it. I have only used Unity for a few minutes until now, but I like it a lot.

[Retlol]

After not having used Linux for more than a year, I thought let's download Ubuntu.

Installer crashed like 10 minutes into install.

Trying again (typing this from live cd) now.

Can't really say much from this live cd as I'm only using FF :p

[Retlol]

I could max mine out too if I wanted, but have it throttled at 400kbs. No problems here.

I tried the torrent but was getting an awesome 15 kb/s. Used the link form releases.ubuntu... and got 5000kb/s +

[mips]

Backed up all my data from debian and about to install it.

[el_koraco]

It seems this one is less problematic, judging by the lack of reports of Unity crashing and whatnot on the Beginners subforum.

[KBD47]

Can't seem to find Lubuntu 11.10 torrent, anyone got the link?
Thanks!
kbd47

[mips]

I don't like it one little bit!!! See my feedback post here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11338412&postcount=18

[ubupirate]

Can't seem to find Lubuntu 11.10 torrent, anyone got the link?
Thanks!
kbd47

32bit: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/lubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent

64bit: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/lubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent

[KBD47]

Thank you!
I got Ubuntu 11.10 downloaded using a torrent, regular iso download was like 2 hours or more. So far the newer Unity seems a bit nicer. One thing that was interesting, it seemed to be picking up the wireless from everyone in my neighborhood, usually I only see mine and a couple of others. I hope this means even better wireless support in the new Ubuntu. Sometimes I had slow and weak connections with Ubuntu 11.04.
KBD47

[el_koraco]

I don't like it one little bit!!! See my feedback post here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11338412&postcount=18

Plug an ethernet adapter in if you have a laptop, boot the Alternate CD, follow the instructions, and once you get to the package section, untick Ubuntu Desktop and choose Xubuntu Desktop, or nothing. Then install openbox, obmenu, obconf, lxappearance and all the other goodies.

The partitioning section is just like the one in #!, but ncurses instead of graphical. No probs.

[beew]

I downloaded the daily build a couple of days ago and installed it in an external drive. Aside from a few bugs (my major one is Unity wouldn't start with xorg-edgers updates) that hopefully will be fixed in a month or so I am quite impressed. It is pretty and smooth and yeah, it is super fast comparing to Natty and Maverick. My main machine still runs maverick but I think I will update in probably a month.

[mips]

Plug an ethernet adapter in if you have a laptop, boot the Alternate CD, follow the instructions, and once you get to the package section, untick Ubuntu Desktop....

I do not recall seeing such an option during my first install?

[krapp]

It's a different .iso. Alternate rather than desktop.

[KBD47]

I've now tried Ubuntu 11.10 and I think Unity is better, but it seems harder to configure anything, and I once had to shutdown because an icon I was moving up in the bar got stuck--probably a gnome 3 thing. Gnome 3 fallback is horrible to put in nicely, just as I feared. Xubuntu is now my new gnome.
KBD47

[beew]

I've now tried Ubuntu 11.10 and I think Unity is better, but it seems harder to configure anything, and I once had to shutdown because an icon I was moving up in the bar got stuck--probably a gnome 3 thing. Gnome 3 fallback is horrible to put in nicely, just as I feared. Xubuntu is now my new gnome.
KBD47


Indeed, harder to configure anything because the Gnome devs somehow think that removing basic configuring options is a great move. While this can be remedied by the gnome-tweak-tool, everyday user should not be required to install a third party package in order to do simple customization,--here I am not talking about geeky things, but normal, simple things that you can do with Windows. The gnome-tweak-tool should be installed by default.

[KBD47]

Indeed, harder to configure anything because the Gnome devs somehow think that removing basic configuring options is a great move. While this can be remedied by the gnome-tweak-tool, everyday user should not be required to install a third party package in order to do simple customization,--here I am not talking about geeky things, but normal, simple things that you can do with Windows. The gnome-tweak-tool should be installed by default.

The first thing I did in Ubuntu 11.10 was to install synaptic package manager. I think that was a mistake to remove it from the distro. I've decided I can live with Unity for web browsing and such, but I've installed Xubuntu as my workhorse distro now. It is harder to do things and find your way around in Oneiric vs Natty, but Unity is improved a bit in Natty. I think giving users less control of their os is a bad thing.
KBD47

[mips]

It's a different .iso. Alternate rather than desktop.

Erm, that's what I'm using, ubuntu-11.10-alternate-amd64+mac.iso

[rmcellig]

Kbd47,

You mention that xubuntu is your new gnome. Did you install xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu 11.10, or did you separately install xubuntu from a live cd? I'm thinking of doing the same thing because the new 11.10 seems unnecessarily complex when 11.04 had the real simple and straightforward gnome classic.

[rmcellig]

mips,

I feel the same way you do. Iiked the simplicity of the previous gnome classic.

You mentioned that you used the 11.10 alternate install cd.I think I may reinstall 11.10 using the alternate cd. What's the difference installing 11.10 from this cd instead of using the standard 11.10 cd?

[mips]

What's the difference installing 11.10 from this cd instead of using the standard 11.10 cd?

None really besides the debian text based installer and a few additional install options. Pressing F4 at bootup gives you the option to do a 'command line only" install which is a base installation minus any desktop stuff. It also allows setting up LVMs etc.

I just did a base install, copied all the *.deb files in /pool/main on the cd over to my /var/cache/apt/archives folder (saves you having to pull some needed common files from the repos, my bandwidth is limited). Following that I isntalled nvidia drivers from the ppa, installed openbox and I'm now busy installing some apps I use.

So I'm gonna end up with a light, unobstructed clean system that feels very snappy. If openbox is not your cup of tea I suggest you try XFCE or Xubuntu-desktop.

Things (& I) are feeling much better now! :biggrin:

Edit: I've just started installing xubuntu-desktop which is about 100MB. So I will have both openbox & xfce on my system.

[rojaasensei]

I've now tried Ubuntu 11.10 and I think Unity is better, but it seems harder to configure anything, and I once had to shutdown because an icon I was moving up in the bar got stuck--probably a gnome 3 thing. Gnome 3 fallback is horrible to put in nicely, just as I feared. Xubuntu is now my new gnome.
KBD47

I concur

[rmcellig]

How do I install openbox. I never heard of it and would like to try it out. Right now I am in the xubuntu desktop in 11.10.

[mips]

How do I install openbox. I never heard of it and would like to try it out. Right now I am in the xubuntu desktop in 11.10.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Openbox
http://urukrama.wordpress.com/openbox-guide/

Looks daunting from that long guide but i't actually pretty simple.

[goldshirt9]

11.04 / 11.10 same o same o

[KBD47]

Kbd47,

You mention that xubuntu is your new gnome. Did you install xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu 11.10, or did you separately install xubuntu from a live cd? I'm thinking of doing the same thing because the new 11.10 seems unnecessarily complex when 11.04 had the real simple and straightforward gnome classic.

What I did was install regular Ubuntu 11.10 to try the gnome 3 fallback. It was bad, nothing like the 11.04 classic fallback. I decided to leave Unity 11.10 on my computer, but also installed Xubuntu 11.10 for the better interface, so I'm dual-booting right now. I thought the Xfce desktop could be added to 11.10 Unity, but I've heard it can't, so I'm not sure. I do know Xubuntu is quite nice as an alternative to Gnome. I did just remove that bottom launcher on Xubuntu as it can be as irritating as Unity in it's own way.
KBD47

[rmcellig]

Thanks KBD47. I'm planning on starting over now from the beginning and installing Mint 11 as my main OS as well as xubuntu, ubuntu 10.04, lubuntu in dual boot mode so I can still have options if need be. :)

[KBD47]

Thanks KBD47. I'm planning on starting over now from the beginning and installing Mint 11 as my main OS as well as xubuntu, ubuntu 10.04, lubuntu in dual boot mode so I can still have options if need be. :)

I like to have options to, and it ticks me off when choices are taken away or made more difficult, such as the alt-key business in gnome 3. Anyway, Mint is a good choice and I hear that the next Mint will offer both gnome 2 and gnome 3, which is good to have options.
KBD47

[roger_1960]

Hi

Burned a 11.10 CD last night and installed over 11.04 on my Asus Eeepc 1011PX using the "update and keep my data" option (can't remember what it was called). Amazing - no problems at all. Everything updated including the (minimal) size settings for the launcher icons I had set using ccsm in 11.04!

Only thing I had to reinstall was wine and then just wine, the apps using it were already there. (Wine seems to work better in 11.10)

I am very impressed with the installer and think 11.10 is a good improvement on 11.04. As a (the?) user who likes Unity, I am very hopeful that 12.04 will be a great LTS.

Roger

[KBD47]

Yes the launcher is impressive. Kind of freaked me out when it asked to take my picture :-) Maybe Unbuntu 12.04 will use facial recognition ;-)
KBD47

[ubupirate]

I've got nothing to do...soo.....

Going to give 11.10 another try and see if I can get it working for me again. :P

[alan2796]

Xubuntu for me...Unity has improved greatly but just not my cup of tea. IMO it looks nice to gather new users to Ubuntu

but I find it's maybe just habit or muscle memory but for productivity is a waste of time. and all the settings and options you used to easily get at in previous versions has gone.

[rmcellig]

That's great that Mint will offer both Gnome 2 and 3! Looking forward to it!

[KBD47]

Just keep in mind that at some point both gnome 2 and gnome 3 fallback will likely be gone. http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=73579&p=483326#p483328

That's why I've moved to Xfce.
KBD47

[rmcellig]

I thought that might happen. I'm installing Xubuntu in a sperate partition so I can choose that one on startup when the time comes.

[Jenopo]

It's beingf pretty insistent that I upgrade, which I want to do but later, it won't "remind me later," so I may just have to give in.

[tumbes2000]

I got to say that 11.10 is a nice improvement over 11.04. The rough edges of 11.04 have been smoothed out and it feels like a world class OS. It also seems a bit faster on my machine than the previous release. I haven't run across any bugs yet, Thunderbird integration is smooth and runs a lot better than with 11.04.

Well done everyone that was involved. Six months of Ubuntu and still have not gone back to Windows

[mips]

Edit: I've just started installing xubuntu-desktop which is about 100MB. So I will have both openbox & xfce on my system.

This did not go so well, I ended up with a borked system that would not get to the login screen.

I'll retry the base install + xubuntu + openbox tomorrow after I have backed up & restored my apt cache.