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konungursvia
August 26th, 2011, 12:10 PM
After waiting months, for the bugs to be ironed out, I upgraded yesterday. I should say that in quotation marks.

The new 11.04 install was not only sluggish, but wouldn't finalize a DVD I burned.

Then I got lost in the menus, which appeared over each other, after much searching and clicking (at first there were none visible, then they seemed to depend on selected windows, like OSX). Two different menu trees, both visible on top of each other, incorrectly overlapping, not sure which one I was navigating through.

And then the windows lost their top bars and decoration, so I couldn't move or resize them. It was even very difficult to close them.

On the left-screen side 'deck of cards' (it felt like a game of chance) I tried to find something that would burn an iso I had made. No luck.

So I decided to whip out the old 10.10 CD and reinstall.

11.04, forget it, never again.

mrgs
August 26th, 2011, 12:25 PM
There are many reports like this. From 11.04 onwards the Buntu of choice should be Xubuntu.

realzippy
August 26th, 2011, 01:03 PM
Spend some time to get used to unity.
If you don 't like it then,don't use it.
As mentioned try Xubuntu.If you don't run a low specs machine,have a look at Kubuntu.

F.G.
August 26th, 2011, 01:10 PM
did you upgrade via the update manager, or do a fresh install? i upgraded via the update manager and had all the problems you have described. i managed to fix them individually, however i've heard that if you do a fresh install most of these problems do not occur.

konungursvia
August 26th, 2011, 06:31 PM
did you upgrade via the update manager, or do a fresh install? i upgraded via the update manager and had all the problems you have described. i managed to fix them individually, however i've heard that if you do a fresh install most of these problems do not occur.

It was an upgrade. Yuck! Actually it's a fairly high-powered machine. I have to update my signature. Thanks for your ideas guys. If Shuttleworth doesn't change course, I think Ubuntu is done.

MAFoElffen
August 26th, 2011, 07:10 PM
It was an upgrade. Yuck! Actually it's a fairly high-powered machine. I have to update my signature. Thanks for your ideas guys. If Shuttleworth doesn't change course, I think Ubuntu is done.
I'm sorry (not really under my control, but) for the "User Interface Shock." (11.04)


Then I got lost in the menus, which appeared over each other, after much searching and clicking (at first there were none visible, then they seemed to depend on selected windows, like OSX). Two different menu trees, both visible on top of each other, incorrectly overlapping, not sure which one I was navigating through.

And then the windows lost their top bars and decoration, so I couldn't move or resize them. It was even very difficult to close them.

What you reported is not really any problem, but a change in how things now work with the "Unity" interface:
- The menus in Unity are now graphical and navigation is different... and when an application is opened, the menus will disappear until you move the cursor to the left edge of the screen...
- The application windows appear differently and there will not be a top bar menu until you move your cursor to the top bar of your screen - where the application menu will then appear in the top bar of your screen (instead of that app screen).

...Yes, the Unity interface is different and takes some getting used to. It is designed to help with multitasking and is more graphical (and heavily taxes the graphics system).

There is now many good guides written for users to familiarize themselves with Unity.

For those that like the older gnome panels... it's still there. When you get to the initial GDM login screen, click on the "user" name... When the "password" dialog comes up, look at the bottom bar... There will be a pulldown box near the middle of the bar, to select which user interface you want to use-- select Ubuntu Classic. That will get you back to what you are familiar with... If that's what you want.

There is advantages to each. Now, you just have more choices.

In the next release (11.10), it exploits more on the Unity Interface... and redo's the Gnome interface, using Gnome 3. So staying with the old interface, it's still going to be there... But Untty will be the stable branch for a short time. while gnome gets converted and catches up to where is was with Gnome 2.

realzippy
August 26th, 2011, 07:27 PM
to help with multitasking :lolflag:

But Unity will be the stable branch for a short time. while gnome gets converted and catches up to where is was with Gnome 2.
..guess Mark S. wants unity to sit up on gnome 3 more than a short time..

MAFoElffen
August 26th, 2011, 07:49 PM
to help with multitasking :lolflag:

But Unity will be the stable branch for a short time. while gnome gets converted and catches up to where is was with Gnome 2.
..guess Mark S. wants unity to sit up on gnome 3 more than a short time..
I think it's more a reactive choice to upstream gnome changes:
Gnome 2 it no longer supported by GNU (at a deadend) because GNU completely revised their code and how things work for it in Gnome 3. Gnome 3 now has many things that have to be "rewritten" to be the same and have the same look-and-feel.

Personally- I can't wait for it to catchup. Some people like Unuty and say it is for power user's... I consider myself a power user and... (edited). I guess I would be further with it if that's what I started out with.

User interfaces? I remember "text-only" and original styled X-Windows on DEC systems... disk-over Digital media that was about foot across... disk-packs. When 64k of memory was considered a lot... A lot of things have changed since the '70's and 80's.

Interfaces are going to change. I don't have any say on them. I have to adapt with them.

konungursvia
August 27th, 2011, 03:21 AM
I'm sorry (not really under my control, but) for the "User Interface Shock." (11.04)



What you reported is not really any problem, but a change in how things now work with the "Unity" interface:
- The menus in Unity are now graphical and navigation is different... and when an application is opened, the menus will disappear until you move the cursor to the left edge of the screen...
- The application windows appear differently and there will not be a top bar menu until you move your cursor to the top bar of your screen - where the application menu will then appear in the top bar of your screen (instead of that app screen).

...Yes, the Unity interface is different and takes some getting used to. It is designed to help with multitasking and is more graphical (and heavily taxes the graphics system).

There is now many good guides written for users to familiarize themselves with Unity.

For those that like the older gnome panels... it's still there. When you get to the initial GDM login screen, click on the "user" name... When the "password" dialog comes up, look at the bottom bar... There will be a pulldown box near the middle of the bar, to select which user interface you want to use-- select Ubuntu Classic. That will get you back to what you are familiar with... If that's what you want.

There is advantages to each. Now, you just have more choices.

In the next release (11.10), it exploits more on the Unity Interface... and redo's the Gnome interface, using Gnome 3. So staying with the old interface, it's still going to be there... But Untty will be the stable branch for a short time. while gnome gets converted and catches up to where is was with Gnome 2.

Maybe I didn't explain it well. There was a four-branch menu on top of a three branch menu, and the words of one overlapped on the words of the other, so I couldn't select one or the other easily. They were interlaced, on top of each other. It was a problem.

Also, it gave me fewer choices, as I was stuck with a particular user interface, with familiar programs less responsive and not performing well. Not to mention there seems to be a new kernel bug: when I move down in a menu, onto a word which has a sub-menu to the right of it, the sub-menu does NOT open when I hover on the word. Instead, I have to move onto the word, leave it, and move BACK to it, and now the bloody sub-menu to the right will open.

Sheesh! I'm happy to go back to 10.04, and in the future, I'll try KDE. Unity is not for me. It's totalitarian.

But thanks for your feedback guys. You're a great community.

Hakunka-Matata
August 27th, 2011, 03:40 AM
konungursvia (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=209531), a clean install has given me zero problems, if you still want 11.04 w/o unity, do the 'Ubuntu Classic' desktop.


I'm sorry (not really under my control, but) for the "User Interface Shock." (11.04)



What you reported is not really any problem, but a change in how things now work with the "Unity" interface:
- The menus in Unity are now graphical and navigation is different... and when an application is opened, the menus will disappear until you move the cursor to the left edge of the screen...
- The application windows appear differently and there will not be a top bar menu until you move your cursor to the top bar of your screen - where the application menu will then appear in the top bar of your screen (instead of that app screen).

...Yes, the Unity interface is different and takes some getting used to. It is designed to help with multitasking and is more graphical (and heavily taxes the graphics system).

There is now many good guides written for users to familiarize themselves with Unity.

For those that like the older gnome panels... it's still there. When you get to the initial GDM login screen, click on the "user" name... When the "password" dialog comes up, look at the bottom bar... There will be a pulldown box near the middle of the bar, to select which user interface you want to use-- select Ubuntu Classic. That will get you back to what you are familiar with... If that's what you want.

There is advantages to each. Now, you just have more choices.

In the next release (11.10), it exploits more on the Unity Interface... and redo's the Gnome interface, using Gnome 3. So staying with the old interface, it's still going to be there... But Untty will be the stable branch for a short time. while gnome gets converted and catches up to where is was with Gnome 2.

In 11.04 natty, that paragraph is true. See attached .png. However, I just installed 11.10 Alpha3 and it does not offer "Ubuntu Classic", it offers "Gnome 3" which did not work...at ALL. That's a problem, ok, it's still in Alpha

MAFoElffen
August 27th, 2011, 04:06 AM
Maybe I didn't explain it well. There was a four-branch menu on top of a three branch menu, and the words of one overlapped on the words of the other, so I couldn't select one or the other easily. They were interlaced, on top of each other. It was a problem.

Also, it gave me fewer choices, as I was stuck with a particular user interface, with familiar programs less responsive and not performing well. Not to mention there seems to be a new kernel bug: when I move down in a menu, onto a word which has a sub-menu to the right of it, the sub-menu does NOT open when I hover on the word. Instead, I have to move onto the word, leave it, and move BACK to it, and now the bloody sub-menu to the right will open.

Sheesh! I'm happy to go back to 10.04, and in the future, I'll try KDE. Unity is not for me. It's totalitarian.

But thanks for your feedback guys. You're a great community.
LOL!!! Yes, that was probably a COMPIZ problem that could have been corrected with a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure compiz" but it sounds like you "don't" have problems now...

If you change your mind with 10.04, or want to play to decide on something else- Install VirtualBox to play with other things... Such as 11.04's Ubuntu classic Interface, Kubuntu, Xubuntu or Lubuntu (or others). Of the 3 last, my favorite is Xubuntu for low end machines and Lubuntu for Higher end. KDE (Kubuntu) has a big following, but like unity, there is a learning curve finding out how it works and where everything is.... and the interface seems to use a lot of resources. Do this all in VirtualBox will give you the chance to play with all that and figure it out, while still in a stable environment for everyday use, until you are familiar.

Idefix82
August 27th, 2011, 04:20 AM
I can't quite tell from the description whether Unity works on the OP's computer as designed. But I recommend giving Unity a fair shot. Nowadays, when I go back to Gnome 2, I am kind of bothered by how much less I can do with the keyboard and how much slower starting a program is. So one quickly gets used to the advantages of Unity.