Microsoft renews alliance with SUSE

[KiwiNZ]

Microsoft renews alliance with SUSE, throws $100 million in pocket change at Linux

MSFT has decided to renew their partnership with SUSE and have committed to purchasing $100 million in technical support for Microsoft Enterprise customers who also happen to be running Linux boxes as part of their operations.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/26/microsoft-renews-alliance-with-suse-throws-100-million-in-pock/

[8_Bit]

Blood money.

One has to wonder how much of that "pocket change" came from their patent trolling activities?

[KiwiNZ]

Blood money.

One has to wonder how much of that "pocket change" came from their patent trolling activities?

:rolleyes:

[Bandit]

They do this for the same reasons they help Apple all the time. Reason being they dont want to end up back in court for being a monopoly again. MS needs competition more then everyone thinks.

[Sand & Mercury]

Blood money.

One has to wonder how much of that "pocket change" came from their patent trolling activities?

http://i.imgur.com/srboe.jpg

[Paqman]

:rolleyes:

To be fair, you're basically trolling all the loony fringe by posting this here. I'm surprised it took one of them 6 minutes to work up enough bile to reply. Or maybe they just sit there seething permanently...

[Spice Weasel]

Blood money.

One has to wonder how much of that "pocket change" came from their patent trolling activities?

http://i.imgur.com/srboe.jpg


They do this for the same reasons they help Apple all the time. Reason being they dont want to end up back in court for being a monopoly again.

http://i.imgur.com/srboe.jpg

[sffvba[e0rt]

Inb4lock (which should happen as this isn't going well...) - OP, care to do the honers?

404

[8_Bit]

To be fair, you're basically trolling all the loony fringe by posting this here. I'm surprised it took one of them 6 minutes to work up enough bile to reply. Or maybe they just sit there seething permanently...

So I'm a member of the loony fringe for stating the facts?

Microsoft has been claiming ownership of Linux for years now, and threatening legal action over use of the software patents they claim they are infringing upon.

They make millions off of the threat alone. Companies give in out of fear of litigation, and pay Microsoft royalties in the number of millions.

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/07/05/2012229/Microsofts-Hottest-New-Profit-Center-Android



Microsoft reportedly receives $5 every time HTC sells an Android phone (http://www.asymco.com/2011/05/27/microsoft-has-received-five-times-more-income-from-android-than-from-windows-phone/), leading some observers to conclude that Microsoft makes more money from Android than its own Windows (http://www.networkworld.com/topics/windows.html) Phone 7 platform.
Microsoft isn't done, either. After all, there are dozens of Android vendors. Motorola, another major Android device maker, is fighting Microsoft's patent infringement claims in court, but Microsoft recently (http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/06/android-dispute-microsoft-thumps.html) received a ruling in its favor in the ongoing litigation, according to patent watcher Florian Mueller.
Microsoft is suing Barnes & Noble (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/032111-microsoft-sues-barnes--noble.html) over the Android-based Nook (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/062711-android-nook.html), and has signed patent agreements with Samsung and LG, although it's not clear whether these agreements extend to Android, Mueller also notes (http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/06/android-device-makers-sign-up-as.html).
Microsoft claims Motorola infringes on 21 patents, including 19 with Android, according to Mueller.
Microsoft's contentious relationship with Linux-based products goes back many years, of course, to CEO Steve Ballmer calling Linux a cancer in 2001 and a 2007 claim that Linux and other open source software violates 235 Microsoft patents (http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/15111).

P.S. I'm typing this from Windows 7. :rolleyes: I don't know where you get the idea I'm some Stallman-like MS-hating FOSS extremist. You've obviously never even read through my post history. But go ahead, make rude assumptions and break the Forum code of conduct all you want. :popcorn:

[fuduntu]

Microsoft renews alliance with SUSE, throws $100 million in pocket change at Linux

MSFT has decided to renew their partnership with SUSE and have committed to purchasing $100 million in technical support for Microsoft Enterprise customers who also happen to be running Linux boxes as part of their operations.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/26/microsoft-renews-alliance-with-suse-throws-100-million-in-pock/

You are obviously an M$ $hill sent to Ubuntu Forum as a mole with a job to destroy Ubuntu from the inside out by subtly trolling for M$ while pretending to be an Ubuntu supporter.


M$ now owns SuSE and so when Mark signs this agreement M$ will own Ubuntu too, and then they will keep their monopoly for eternity because of you.

This is why Ubuntu has Mono in the repo, because M$ has trojan horses for the purpose of destroying Linux.


















http://www.fuduntu.org/forum/images/smilies/TrollFace.png

[sffvba[e0rt]

You are obviously an M$ $hill sent to Ubuntu Forum as a mole with a job to destroy Ubuntu from the inside out by subtly trolling for M$ while pretending to be an Ubuntu supporter.


M$ now owns SuSE and so when Mark signs this agreement M$ will own Ubuntu too, and then they will keep their monopoly for eternity because of you.

This is why Ubuntu has Mono in the repo, because M$ has trojan horses for the purpose of destroying Linux.


















http://www.fuduntu.org/forum/images/smilies/TrollFace.png
Hmmm... I see what you did there... :P


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[kaldor]

ahhh Ubuntu Forums :KS

[XubuRoxMySox]

to be fair, you're basically trolling all the loony fringe by posting this here.

+1

[Tristam Green]

Or maybe they just sit there seething permanently...

Probably.

http://omgcheesecake.net/public/style_emoticons/default/schestowitz.jpg

This guy does, at least.

[santaslittlehelper]

To be fair, you're basically trolling all the loony fringe by posting this here. I'm surprised it took one of them 6 minutes to work up enough bile to reply. Or maybe they just sit there seething permanently...
To be fair he didn't troll anyone he just posted a piece of news and it's even Linux related although you might call the following article less of a "i heart you" (http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-renews-controversial-suse-linux-deal-for-five-years/) version for the sensitive. I would be very surprised if there's any loony fringe crazies extreme religious fanatics left here it's just us now let’s enjoy it. :)

Guess the crystal ball (http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000121) was broken only time will tell where all the patent trolling will land.
:KS

[disabledaccount]

Guess the crystal ball (http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000121) was broken only time will tell where all the patent trolling will land.
:KSGood article, but in fact it's nothing new - MS is so predictable - maybe it's time for them to hire some programmers insted of wasting money on hordes of lawyers and poor, uneffective PR "specialists" (maybe then win7 will stop destroying itself after updates :LOL: )

This is good:

Several forms of racket exist. The best-known is the protection racket, in which criminals demand money from businesses in exchange for the service of "protection" against crimes that the racketeers instigate [such as suing SUSE customers under false charges of patent infringements] if unpaid. Or, "pay me so that you won't have a 'mysterious fire' in your warehouse ..." :lol:

I will save this page.

[fuduntu]

Good article, but in fact it's nothing new - MS is so predictable - maybe it's time for them to hire some programmers insted of wasting money on hordes of lawyers and poor, uneffective PR "specialists" (maybe then win7 will stop destroying itself after updates :LOL: )

This is good:
:lol:

I will save this page.

They are a multi-billion-dollar corporation. If you think they can't afford to hire developers, and have no developers, or that they cannot do many different things (projects, tasks) in parallel as if the corporation were a single tasking limited individual, I have a bridge to sell you.

I'll make it cheap, just for you. Today only.

[disabledaccount]

If you think they can't afford to hire developers, and have no developers, or that they cannot do many different things (projects, tasks) in parallel as if the corporation were a single tasking limited individual, I have a bridge to sell you.

I'll make it cheap, just for you. Today only.They are selling defective software. Linux has bugs too, but it's free - so I would say You have bought big, wide bridge already - isn't it? Over what river? :lol:

[fuduntu]

They are selling defective software.

:rolleyes:

[disabledaccount]

:rolleyes:
http://www.google.pl/search?hl=pl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1193&bih=770&q=windows+7+can%27t+boot+after+updates&oq=windows+7+can%27t+boot+after+updates&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=111260l119007l0l121080l18l17l3l0l0l2l235l19 62l2.11.1l14l0


last night my computer automatically restarted itself in order for my latest set of Windows updates to take affect. After it restarted, it came up with the usual screen that states it is installing the updates, Step 1 of 3 and then the percentage of it being complete. After completing the first and sometimes the second step, my computer will suddenly restart again and then the screen with state "Loading Files" and then come up with a screen that says Windows could not start and that it is scanning the files to repair. After doing this for several minutes it tells me that it must restart and to click "Finish" to restart. I do so and my computer restarts and then loops right back to the Installing Updates screen and once again, after completing Step 1 or Step 2 it restarts and goes to the Loading Files screen and then to the Windows cannot start and the the repair scan. It looped like this all night long and then again was doing it this morning when I left for work.

Yeah, that's really funny :LOL:

...but I've seen much more funny crashes after updating quartz.dll ...

[silex89]

You are obviously an M$ $hill sent to Ubuntu Forum as a mole with a job to destroy Ubuntu from the inside out by subtly trolling for M$ while pretending to be an Ubuntu supporter.


M$ now owns SuSE and so when Mark signs this agreement M$ will own Ubuntu too, and then they will keep their monopoly for eternity because of you.

This is why Ubuntu has Mono in the repo, because M$ has trojan horses for the purpose of destroying Linux.


















http://www.fuduntu.org/forum/images/smilies/TrollFace.png



HAhahaahahaha :D, this post made my day lol

[Ric_NYC]

I never used SUSE Linux.

So I don't have to pay for protection "a la Mafia".

[Ric_NYC]

It is disgusting to see some people defending what Microsoft is trying to do to Linux.

[Madspyman]

I wonder if KiwiNZ was trying to start a thread that would eventually give him a reason to close it. That'd be like the ultimate troll.

[Ric_NYC]

If we cannot express our disgust about what Microsoft is doing... so close it.



Just remember that we are talking about a company that has been sued for monopoly practices and for the "embrace and destroy" way of doing business.

[JDShu]

This is probably a good thing. 100 million Microsoft dollars going into the development of FOSS.

[zekopeko]

If we cannot express our disgust about what Microsoft is doing... so close it.

Just remember that we are talking about a company that has been sued for monopoly practices and for the "embrace and destroy" way of doing business.

And for those practices they were punished by the justice system in various countries. They "served" their time.

Constantly bringing up their past crimes in unrelated topics for which they have been tried in a court of law, found guilty and "served" the punishment for, is unjust. I find that in poor taste. Then again I find all shallow populism in poor taste and intellectually empty.

[fuduntu]

this is probably a good thing. 100 million microsoft dollars going into the development of foss.

+1

[fuduntu]

If we cannot express our disgust about what Microsoft is doing... so close it.

Let me help you by pointing out the "X" in the top right (or top left) corner of the Window you currently have open.

Now: Go up the stairs, and open the door.

Finally: Walk across the brightly lit room, Open that door, and step outside.

I hope this tutorial was helpful.

[Ric_NYC]

Let me help you by pointing out the "X" in the top right (or top left) corner of the Window you currently have open.

Now: Go up the stairs, and open the door.

Finally: Walk across the brightly lit room, Open that door, and step outside.

I hope this tutorial is helpful.


Keep your day job!

:)

[fuduntu]

Keep your day job!

:)

Curses! :D

[Spice Weasel]

http://www.google.pl/search?hl=pl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1193&bih=770&q=windows+7+can%27t+boot+after+updates&oq=windows+7+can%27t+boot+after+updates&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=111260l119007l0l121080l18l17l3l0l0l2l235l19 62l2.11.1l14l0



Yeah, that's really funny :LOL:

...but I've seen much more funny crashes after updating quartz.dll ...

I can do this too!

https://encrypted.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=ubuntu+can%27t+boot+after+updates&pbx=1&oq=ubuntu+can%27t+boot+after+updates&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=11062l11062l0l11236l1l1l0l0l0l0l90l90l1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=abb1f03500b21ec4&biw=1085&bih=825

[wrtpeeps]

If we cannot express our disgust about what Microsoft is doing... so close it.



Just remember that we are talking about a company that has been sued for monopoly practices and for the "embrace and destroy" way of doing business.

My god...

You're a few sandwiches short of a buffet it seems. :P

[Dry Lips]

Here’s my 0.02£:

1. Microsoft is a company that doesn’t do their deals for charity.
This is a business decision that they expect to profit from.

2. On the other hand, what should SUSE do... Refuse to serve
Microsoft’s customers? I don’t think it would have benefited the
FOSS community if they did that.

3. I wouldn’t call what Microsoft does hypocrisy, since it is obvious
that they view Linux as a necessary evil. They don’t “support"
Linux/SUSE by doing this. They’re simply buying a product. Microsoft
is perfectly capable of doing this, while they at the same time trying
to gain an upper hand on Linux companies for what they claim is
patent infringement.

[KiwiNZ]

So it is OK to post news items that state Linux is cool, ubuntu is the best, Microsoft is evil, Open source is free, but staff are not "free" to post LINUX related news items that some think is anti linux.

Anyone see the double standard?

Do you guys think that the CEO responsible for Suse is stupid? consider that he/she is head of a reasonable sized corporation, you do not get there buy being an idiot.

A $US100 million cash injection does not happen weekly to this sector, if you take your blinders off you would realize that this is a good thing. It is the renewal of the agreement that people said was going to destroy Linux, let me think was it three years ago.

I was not trolling, I may have made a mistake thinking that there was the maturity here to deal this news without name calling,

[kaldor]

So it is OK to post news items that state Linux is cool, ubuntu is the best, Microsoft is evil, Open source is free, but staff are not "free" to post LINUX related news items that some think is anti linux.

Anyone see the double standard?

Do you guys think that the CEO responsible for Suse is stupid? consider that he/she is head of a reasonable sized corporation, you do not get there buy being an idiot.

A $US100 million cash injection does not happen weekly to this sector, if you take your blinders off you would realize that this is a good thing. It is the renewal of the agreement that people said was going to destroy Linux, let me think was it three years ago.

I was not trolling, I may have made a mistake thinking that there was the maturity here to deal this news without name calling,

I don't know why you even bother with this lol

[sydbat]

So it is OK to post news items that state Linux is cool, ubuntu is the best, Microsoft is evil, Open source is free, but staff are not "free" to post LINUX related news items that some think is anti linux.

Anyone see the double standard?

Do you guys think that the CEO responsible for Suse is stupid? consider that he/she is head of a reasonable sized corporation, you do not get there buy being an idiot.

A $US100 million cash injection does not happen weekly to this sector, if you take your blinders off you would realize that this is a good thing. It is the renewal of the agreement that people said was going to destroy Linux, let me think was it three years ago.

I was not trolling, I may have made a mistake thinking that there was the maturity here to deal this news without name calling,Please have my children.

[Dry Lips]

I was not trolling, I may have made a mistake thinking that there was the maturity here to deal this news without name calling,

If other people that you have posted this link, none would have dared to suggest that
they were trolling. Being an admin that sometimes has to make unpopular decisions
such as closing threads, you’re bound to get more flak than others at this forum.
Don’t take this personal. Of course you were not trolling, and I don’t think that many
here though you did.

[disabledaccount]

I can do this too!

https://encrypted.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=ubuntu+can%27t+boot+after+updates&pbx=1&oq=ubuntu+can%27t+boot+after+updates&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=11062l11062l0l11236l1l1l0l0l0l0l90l90l1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=abb1f03500b21ec4&biw=1085&bih=825There is a "little" difference between selling faulty/not complete/not ready/buggy product and giving it for free. You do understand this - right?

[fuduntu]

So it is OK to post news items that state Linux is cool, ubuntu is the best, Microsoft is evil, Open source is free, but staff are not "free" to post LINUX related news items that some think is anti linux.

Anyone see the double standard?

Do you guys think that the CEO responsible for Suse is stupid? consider that he/she is head of a reasonable sized corporation, you do not get there buy being an idiot.

A $US100 million cash injection does not happen weekly to this sector, if you take your blinders off you would realize that this is a good thing. It is the renewal of the agreement that people said was going to destroy Linux, let me think was it three years ago.

I was not trolling, I may have made a mistake thinking that there was the maturity here to deal this news without name calling,

+1 QFT

..

My comedy post, unfortunately contained all things I have been called this week when I spoke my opinion. Unfortunately, there is little maturity left in the Linux community (at face value). On the bright side, it made for really good comedy, so I hope you enjoyed it. :D

[fuduntu]

There is a "little" difference between selling faulty/not complete/not ready/buggy product and giving it for free. You do understand this - right?

We understand that you really don't understand the subject you are preaching.

[JDShu]

There is a "little" difference between selling faulty/not complete/not ready/buggy product and giving it for free. You do understand this - right?

Software has bugs. It doesn't matter where it came from. This is just reality, unfortunately.

[kaldor]

There is a "little" difference between selling faulty/not complete/not ready/buggy product and giving it for free. You do understand this - right?

I don't like Windows and I dislike Microsoft. I only have it on another partition because I need it for college. I recommend others use open source alternatives. Vista gave me a huge load of issues, but it worked for a lot of people. That said, Windows is not defective; it does as advertised and works for most people.

[Ric_NYC]

How does it help the company?


Novell admitted in February 2010 that it had not been making money with Linux and had only just broken even.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/26/novell_q1_f2010_numbers/



On the other side:


Based on the run rates of the current quarter, Red Hat will likely reach $1 billion in annual revenue in 2011. Only a handful of companies, probably less than 20 software firms, have ever hit this milestone. Red Hat will be the first open source-focused company to break the billion dollar barrier.

http://blogs.forbes.com/ciocentral/2010/11/30/red-hat-at-1-billion/?boxes=Homepagechannels




While for some reason this sentiment has existed as long as open source software has been in existence, the facts don’t support it; in fact, the facts expose it to be a statement hovering between unbelievable and ridiculous. Red Hat will exceed $1 Billion dollars in revenue this year. Its investors have been richly rewarded over the past decade with more than an 8X return over the S&P 500.

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2011/06/who-says-you-can%E2%80%99t-make-money-open-source

[KiwiNZ]

How does it help the company?



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/26/novell_q1_f2010_numbers/



On the other side:



http://blogs.forbes.com/ciocentral/2010/11/30/red-hat-at-1-billion/?boxes=Homepagechannels




http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2011/06/who-says-you-can%E2%80%99t-make-money-open-source

You answered your own question, How does it help the company?

100 US million ways.

[Ric_NYC]

You answered your own question, How does it help the company?

100 US million ways.


I don't think it helped... They never made money with Linux.

[fuduntu]

I don't think it helped... They never made money with Linux.

.. Uh, they just took in $100M.

[Ric_NYC]

.. Uh, they just took in $100M.


I'm talking about what happened after the first Novell/Microsoft deal.

[KiwiNZ]

I don't think it helped... They never made money with Linux.

Now so I have your logic right, help me out here.

To help them make money from Linux you are saying they shouldn't take the cash injection?

[fuduntu]

I'm talking about what happened after the first Novell/Microsoft deal.

It kept them afloat. It may not have been profit, but it contributed to the fact that they exist today which is a good thing for all of us.

[kaldor]

We're honestly arguing over whether or not being given 100 million dollars is a good thing?

[Ric_NYC]

Now so I have your logic right, help me out here.

To help them make money from Linux you are saying they shouldn't take the cash injection?


If I believed that Microsoft had good intentions I would agree with you. Its intention is to intimidate other companies with that deal.

[sydbat]

We're honestly arguing over whether or not being given 100 million dollars is a good thing?Amazing, ain't it...

[KiwiNZ]

If I believed that Microsoft had good intentions I would agree with you. It's intention is to intimidate other companies with that deal.

People have been soothsaying that "oh the MS dark side" is here to destroy us garbage for years. Around three ago the World as we know it was going to end because the evil MSFT made non agression packs with Linux companies.

Guess what, we are still here. The apocalypse didn't come. What has come is much needed cash something Open source needs. Refuse it and one cuts off ones nose to spite their face.

[Ric_NYC]

People have been soothsaying that "oh the MS dark side" is here to destroy us garbage for years. Around three ago the World as we know it was going to end because the evil MSFT made non agression packs with Linux companies.

Guess what, we are still here. The apocalypse didn't come. What has come is much needed cash something Open source needs. Refuse it and one cuts off ones nose to spite their face.



I'm not mixing Religion with business... Never said anything about Apocalypse or the "end of the World" or "the sky is falling".

:)



In the real world there are things like: cartel, dumping, monopoly etc.

[disabledaccount]

We understand that you really don't understand the subject you are preaching.We? Are You claiming that You're forum's spokesman? I have only posted link with google search results to prove that I now what I'm talking about.
You were unable to question this (not surprising - that was just true).
The method You are using now is miserable - hunting for for fragments of discussion and using them out of context. Of course You haven't noticed that Spice Weasel did the same thing - but he blacken Linux, so he is ok. Conclusion is simple.

[koenn]

It kept them afloat. It may not have been profit, but it contributed to the fact that they exist today which is a good thing for all of us.

We're honestly arguing over whether or not being given 100 million dollars is a good thing?

Assuming companies behave in an economically rational manner, the question becomes : why is it in Microsoft's interest to keep Suse afloat, or what does Suse have that is worth $100 million to Microsoft ?

[KiwiNZ]

Assuming companies behave in an economically rational manner, the question becomes : why is it in Microsoft's interest to keep Suse afloat, or what does Suse have that is worth $100 million to Microsoft ?

" technical support for Microsoft Enterprise customers who also happen to be running Linux boxes as part of their operations"

mutual advantage

[fuduntu]

We? Are You claiming that You're forum's spokesman? I have only posted link with google search results to prove that I now what I'm talking about.
You were unable to question this (not surprising - that was just true).
The method You are using now is miserable - hunting for for fragments of discussion and using them out of context. Of course You haven't noticed that Spice Weasel did the same thing - but he blacken Linux, so he is ok. Conclusion is simple.

There isn't anything to answer, because your comment was nonsense.

[santaslittlehelper]

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/novell-goes-private-in-2-2-bln-deal-with-attachmate/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/25/microsoft_suse_deal_renewed/
Hm interesting. :)

[sffvba[e0rt]

It's win win... MS gives a 100mill and keeps on raking in $5-10 from most android devices sold... :popcorn:


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[Paqman]

I was not trolling, I may have made a mistake thinking that there was the maturity here to deal this news without name calling,

I salute your optimism. However, the level of maturity a certain segment of the Linux community shows whenever the Evil Empire is mentioned is pretty predictable.

[NightwishFan]

I salute your optimism. However, the level of maturity a certain segment of the Linux community shows whenever the Evil Empire is mentioned is pretty predictable.

No I think a good chunk of the Linux community are just modest people who like computers. The angry swarm is just a vocal minority.

[Paqman]

No I think a good chunk of the Linux community are just modest people who like computers. The angry swarm is just a vocal minority.

I agree completely. The amount of noise they make is entirely disproportionate to their numbers or importance.

[ScionicSpectre]

Yeah, over 80 percent of Linux users I know wouldn't even know there's a forum for Ubuntu. The people who are satisfied and uninterested in the goings on of software news tend to stay quiet.

I think things could be far worse than they are now. I don't advocate Microsoft's trolling, but at least with so many people using Android they have a lot more opposition from big companies. You can tell when you go to Best Buy to buy a tablet that no one's really king of this industry anymore- try as they may, Microsoft can only do so much harm. And they've done a lot of nice things, too.

[santaslittlehelper]

I can't quite figure out who is getting accused of being immature so I wont point out the name-calling... :p
I can't help to wonder if pantents played a significant role in these deals? Which would be the main reason for skepticism on my part.


It's win win... MS gives a 100mill and keeps on raking in $5-10 from most android devices sold... :popcorn:


404
At 16:20 Jono Bacon is asked about android and patents. That sounds reasonable to me.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15972878

[anden.d]

Well I'don't understand what all unmature arguing is about it's not likely that the ceo for SUSE log in and watch this thread and goes like "Oh no! it's like five angry people that don't like this. Well I guess it's nothing I can do now than call MS and and tell them that we can nor take those millions of $"?? seriously? I don't support MS in their greed but I don't like the idea that a small minority of never ending whiners who thinks they are some kind of all-knowing-and-knows-what-is-best-for-linux.

There's no words for it.....

[JDShu]

I can't help to wonder if pantents played a significant role in these deals? Which would be the main reason for skepticism on my part.


hmm explain? "we'll give you $100 million as long as we don't sue you" doesn't seem like its in MS's interests.

[santaslittlehelper]

hmm explain? "we'll give you $100 million as long as we don't sue you" doesn't seem like its in MS's interests.
Don't take this the wrong way but I was asking and it was not a trap or something sneaky.
I am actually aware that neither you or anyone else owes any answers but it is not hard to find articles that suggest patents played a role if that's not the case or if it's irrelevant then it should be easy to dismiss without getting angry.

[koenn]

hmm explain? "we'll give you $100 million as long as we don't sue you" doesn't seem like its in MS's interests.

close.

This deal is a renewal of a 2006 deal between Microsoft and Novell, saying something like "we (Microsoft) will give you (Novell) $348 million and we promise not to sue your customers for patent infringement, if you promise not to sue ours"
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/nov06/11-02MSNovellPR.mspx

[JDShu]

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This deal is a renewal of a 2002 deal between Microsoft and Novell, saying something like "we (Microsoft) will give you (Novell) $348 million and we promise not to sue your customers for patent infringement, if you promise not to sue ours"
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/nov06/11-02MSNovellPR.mspx

That sounds like an *awesome* deal for SUSE o.O

[fuduntu]

That sounds like an *awesome* deal for SUSE o.O

It was.

[8_Bit]

I salute your optimism. However, the level of maturity a certain segment of the Linux community shows whenever the Evil Empire is mentioned is pretty predictable.

So it's not possible, at all, to voice a defense in favor of Linux, in any way or form, without being automatically a member of the loony fringe? Do you not see how irrational that assumption is? You're that type of person that thinks they are 100% right no matter what, and anyone who disagrees or differs even slightly in opinion must be psychotic. You know, you would do well as a politician, as most of them share this neurosis.

Not one person has tried to refute the evidence I posted in the first page. Microsoft in a typical mafia-esque fashion has repeatedly forced extortion money out of other Linux-related companies in return for "protection" from legal action.

For you to then go and claim that they are some charitable organization for "sharing" some of this extortion money from the very community they stole from in the first place, is just laughable!

I use all 3 major operating systems. OSX, Linux, Windows, on a daily basis. I enjoy all three and like the innovations each offers. Windows gave us several innovations, like Aero Snap, a feature Linux has barely caught up with. So I appreciate what MS has done for the software world. However I'm not going to let that blind me from seeing what they are, and what they are not. They are not a charitable organization. To argue such a thing is just silly.

The point from the very beginning was this - $100 million is great, but what % of that money came from patent trolling and extortion that they are KNOWN and have been DOCUMENTED to practice? You can't rob a bank and then go donate money to charity and then claim you are a good person. The world doesn't work that way.


I can't quite figure out who is getting accused of being immature so I wont point out the name-calling... :razz:Look on the first page and you'll see Paqman was the first to break the Code of Conduct and start attacking other members. And typical, the post has been left in tact. It appears that when the violations of the CoC are made by the admin or the admin's political supporters, the violations go completely ignored, while harmless images of nuclear power plants sitting directly on top of fault lines get removed. The administration of the forum should be ashamed of themselves. If this is supposed to be an "area is for lighthearted and enjoyable discussions" I don't see it. You can't even defend Linux (on a LINUX forum) without getting called crazy!

[ScionicSpectre]

I think it's worth being aware of and skeptical of dealings in the millions of dollars, especially if they involve patents (seemed to me like the deal was more about interoperability and cooperation than suing each other, but I'm sure that's how they wanted it to look).

I still agree that just because you don't defend Microsoft doesn't mean you're a loon. I have no inclination or reason to defend them or to care about their interests, any more than I'm obligated to care about what happens to Apple or IBM or even Samsung. Like, businesses never need to be given the benefit of the doubt- they're not obligated to do everything their customers want, either. And their customers aren't obligated to keep supporting them.

Back on topic, though, 8-bit. A statement isn't true just because no one refutes it. I won't pretend to know more about these issues than the companies themselves, and I'll admit that much of these deals are done in private. But it is obviously certain that Microsoft's been making a reasonable amount of money, sometimes explicitly due to patent threats, and other times most likely patent threats (why else would these companies be handing Microsoft money? I can't see them doing it out of charity).


Microsoft doesn't have a lot to offer most of these vendors/manufacturers aside from freedom from their legal department. However, as I don't know all the facts, I won't assume either way. It's entirely possible that Microsoft can do good and bad things at the same time. They are a company, not a person. And unless Microsoft really gets up in my grill or tries to threaten the freedom of someone I care about, I don't see why it's my responsibility to get into their business.

I do think this Android tax is completely ridiculous, though, and I do care about HTC and many of the others that have been bullied. So in those cases I'm responsible- but this SUSE deal [potentially] has nothing to do with that.

[KiwiNZ]

Not one person has tried to refute the evidence I posted in the first page. Microsoft in a typical mafia-esque fashion has repeatedly forced extortion money out of other Linux-related companies in return for "protection" from legal action.

For you to then go and claim that they are some charitable organization for "sharing" some of this extortion money from the very community they stole from in the first place, is just laughable!

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I didn't bother to refute your groundless post for ...

1. I don't waste my time
2. It's groundless

I ask you to provide verifiable independent evidence of your claims above.

[coolglobal]

Here's a link about what Microsoft gets up to: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20070308-75/supreme-court-rules-against-microsoft-in-i4i-patent-case/

Microsoft isn't the only gorilla in the room. "It was joined, in friend-of-the-court filings, by a host of large technology companies, including Apple, Google, Facebook, and Cisco. And a collection of younger, Net-generation leaders, such as Facebook, eBay, LinkedIn and Netflix, supported Microsoft as well."

I'm not joining this discussion in earnest though, as it's pretty negative really.

[JDShu]

Here's a link about what Microsoft gets up to: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20070308-75/supreme-court-rules-against-microsoft-in-i4i-patent-case/

Microsoft isn't the only gorilla in the room. "It was joined, in friend-of-the-court filings, by a host of large technology companies, including Apple, Google, Facebook, and Cisco. And a collection of younger, Net-generation leaders, such as Facebook, eBay, LinkedIn and Netflix, supported Microsoft as well."

I'm not joining this discussion in earnest though, as it's pretty negative really.

I really thought there was unanimous agreement among the FOSS community that Microsoft was the victim in the i4i case.

[Paqman]

So it's not possible, at all, to voice a defense in favor of Linux, in any way or form, without being automatically a member of the loony fringe?

Not at all, the Loony Fringe Membership Committee selects it's candidates based entirely on the content and tone of posts. Extra credit is given for use of terms such as M$ or mentioning the government of Germany 1933-45.

;)

[ScionicSpectre]

It should be noted that Microsoft has done a lot of nice things, too. They could be a far worse company and produce far uglier software than they have thus far. Now they're more like the rotten kid who has learned to keep his thoughts to himself around his peers as not to offend them. And hey, there's some merit to learning when not to do naughty things you like, especially when you've had a history of doing whatever you want to others without a lot of scolding.

I'd say the situation is improving, although Microsoft's definitely pulling a lot of tricks out behind our backs. You never know with that kid.

[koenn]

That sounds like an *awesome* deal for SUSE o.O

Yeah, Microsoft must really like Novel and Suse.

or they just figured that Linux has become enough of a competitor that cooperation and interoperability has become an economically sound strategy.


or that having Novell implicitly acknowledge that Suse, or Linux in general, infringes on Microsoft patents, is worth soending some money on,


or that, given the Novell patents Microsoft possibly infringes on, a few hundred million was a fair price to make that potential problem go away.



just speculating ...

[santaslittlehelper]

Well that kind of blew up good thing it's not a nuclear plant. :KS