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tekkidd
July 22nd, 2011, 10:43 PM
I was playing around with Hexxeh's ChromeOS builds today and found this:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-5E6u8dMOmUY/TintQHrlhzI/AAAAAAAAA6Y/rfbHXaHevqg/chromeos.jpg?imgmax=800

Look closely and you will notice that ChromeOS actually gets its backend updates from Ubuntu servers.

Read my article about this on my blog: http://tekkidd.blogspot.com/2011/07/chromeos-is-really-ubuntu.html

sffvba[e0rt
July 22nd, 2011, 10:46 PM
Only people down under will be able to read that easily :/


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tekkidd
July 22nd, 2011, 10:48 PM
Apperently the attachment is upside down. The link is right side up though.


Only people down under will be able to read that easily :/


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lukeiamyourfather
July 22nd, 2011, 10:59 PM
This has been public knowledge for a while. Though they don't really flaunt it. Not sure why?

http://blogs.computerworld.com/15127/ubuntus_canonical_and_google_partner_to_create_chr ome

tekkidd
July 23rd, 2011, 12:10 AM
I knew that, but I thought that canonical was only helping to build little parts, not providing the whole backend

Legendary_Bibo
July 23rd, 2011, 12:41 AM
Those little sneaky googles, they tried covering their footprints by outputting that info upside down.

MonolithImmortal
July 23rd, 2011, 02:46 AM
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS#Relationship_to_Android) "Chrome OS is built using Portage from Gentoo with a specific overlay called the Chromium OS portage overlay".
So I'm kind of confused.

Roasted
July 23rd, 2011, 02:57 AM
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS#Relationship_to_Android) "Chrome OS is built using Portage from Gentoo with a specific overlay called the Chromium OS portage overlay".
So I'm kind of confused.

This is the first I've heard of this. All sources I've read (about a dozen) say Ubuntu.

christoph411
July 23rd, 2011, 02:59 AM
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS#Relationship_to_Android) "Chrome OS is built using Portage from Gentoo with a specific overlay called the Chromium OS portage overlay".
So I'm kind of confused.

I've heard the Gentoo thing before too! So I'm also confused... I mean, it says ubuntu right there in plain English!
I guess Wikipedia isn't the most accurate source of information, but it's usually pretty damn right. :P

drawkcab
July 23rd, 2011, 03:27 AM
I've always heard that the staff at Google were secret admirers of Ubuntu.

christoph411
July 23rd, 2011, 03:33 AM
I've always heard that the staff at Google were secret admirers of Ubuntu.

I've also heard that company policy only permits the use of Macs or Linux computers... but I'm not sure how true that is.

3Miro
July 23rd, 2011, 04:04 AM
Chrome OS is proprietary and restrictive. Ubuntu is not. Chrome OS is build on top of Linux, but I don't know which one and I don't care. Technologically Chrome OS is piggyback-riding on good technology, philosophically it is poison (IMO).

linuxman94
July 23rd, 2011, 05:09 AM
Chrome OS is proprietary and restrictive. Ubuntu is not. Chrome OS is build on top of Linux, but I don't know which one and I don't care. Technologically Chrome OS is piggyback-riding on good technology, philosophically it is poison (IMO).

Not true, chrome os is released as open source under the name chromium os. See google's blog post (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/releasing-chromium-os-open-source.html) for details.

Legendary_Bibo
July 23rd, 2011, 10:15 AM
Chrome OS is proprietary and restrictive. Ubuntu is not. Chrome OS is build on top of Linux, but I don't know which one and I don't care. Technologically Chrome OS is piggyback-riding on good technology, philosophically it is poison (IMO).

Yeah because Unity is easily customizable.

It's an OS, an open source OS at that. Making something open source and then going boohoo when someone builds upon it is kind of hypocritical.

Paqman
July 23rd, 2011, 11:25 AM
I've always heard that the staff at Google were secret admirers of Ubuntu.

Not really that secret, they have their own version of Ubuntu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobuntu) they use in-house.


I've also heard that company policy only permits the use of Macs or Linux computers... but I'm not sure how true that is.

From what I've heard their employees can use whatever system they like, but that a large majority do choose Linux or OS X.

el_koraco
July 23rd, 2011, 11:34 AM
I think it used to be Ubuntu-based, but they switched to Gentoo and Portage. Makes sense if they wanna keep it as fast and streamlined as possible.

3Miro
July 23rd, 2011, 12:22 PM
Yeah because Unity is easily customizable.

It's an OS, an open source OS at that. Making something open source and then going boohoo when someone builds upon it is kind of hypocritical.

What does Unity have to do with anything?

If Chromium OS may be FOSS, but Chrome OS is not. Just like Chrome and Chromium.

There are different ideas about FOSS. The BSD license for example give the user the freedom to do whatever they want, including change the license. BSD gives you freedom, but it doesn't give you any "rights". However, under GPL the 4 software freedoms are treated as "rights" of all users. If you get freedom software from someone, then you cannot turn around and use it to take away other people's software freedom. You have to give others the same rights that other give you.

It is Google that is acting in a hypocritical manner. Taking a piece of freedom software and making it part of a proprietary system is hypocritical and parasitic. Going "boohoo" about it, is standing up for the FOSS philosophy.

Linuxratty
July 23rd, 2011, 03:20 PM
I thought I read Chrome was based off of Ubuntu,so it would be logical it would pull from Ubuntu's huge repository.

ugm6hr
July 23rd, 2011, 04:00 PM
This can't possibly be true of Google's Chrome OS - they wouldn't keep a current web-centric (or whatever they call it) OS based on an unsupported version of Ubuntu (karmic / 9.10), and then maintain the outdated Canonical repository for updates...

stmiller
July 23rd, 2011, 04:53 PM
It's no secret that ChromeOS is Ubuntu. An older thread on this forum pulled apart to show Ubuntu packages beneath. I can't find it at the moment..

Google chromeOS/chromiumOS requires Ubuntu 10.04 64bit (only) to build the 'OS' as well.

All info is public, online:

http://www.chromium.org/

http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os

http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-guide

:popcorn:

Legendary_Bibo
July 23rd, 2011, 11:14 PM
What does Unity have to do with anything?


Unity is restrictive, it's not customizable.

Also, there's something else you need to understand. (http://xltweet.com/show/?id=5A54585B5C)

3Miro
July 23rd, 2011, 11:46 PM
Unity is restrictive, it's not customizable.

Also, there's something else you need to understand. (http://xltweet.com/show/?id=5A54585B5C)

I think you are misunderstanding what "restrictive" means. FOSS is about the 4 software freedoms and the 4 freedoms ONLY.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

The GPL license has as its goal to give everybody the 4 freedoms and guarantee the 4 freedoms for everybody.

Unity is absolutely 100% freedom software as it follows the 4 freedoms completely (it is licensed under GPL).

ChromeOS doesn't give the user the 4 freedoms.

Unity is currently not easily customizable, but this has nothing to do with the ChromeOS vs Ubuntu philosophical differences.

Legendary_Bibo
July 23rd, 2011, 11:55 PM
I think you are misunderstanding what "restrictive" means. FOSS is about the 4 software freedoms and the 4 freedoms ONLY.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

The GPL license has as its goal to give everybody the 4 freedoms and guarantee the 4 freedoms for everybody.

Unity is absolutely 100% freedom software as it follows the 4 freedoms completely (it is licensed under GPL).

ChromeOS doesn't give the user the 4 freedoms.

Unity is currently not easily customizable, but this has nothing to do with the ChromeOS vs Ubuntu philosophical differences.

To me restrictiveness and freedom relates to how much I can customize my desktop and how easy it is to do so. I don't think you were getting the message. Some of us have our own ideas on what freedom on an OS means to us, and some of us just don't care. To me it's how much I can customize the UI at any given minute I feel like, I don't care for the "freedom" philosophy. Please try to understand this. I know it's difficult to accept that there are people (like me) who enjoy using Linux on a daily basis and at the same time doesn't care about a psuedo war for software freedom that one man is making a movement for.

3Miro
July 24th, 2011, 12:06 AM
To me restrictiveness and freedom relates to how much I can customize my desktop and how easy it is to do so. I don't think you were getting the message. Some of us have our own ideas on what freedom on an OS means to us, and some of us just don't care. To me it's how much I can customize the UI at any given minute I feel like, I don't care for the "freedom" philosophy. Please try to understand this. I know it's difficult to accept that there are people (like me) who enjoy using Linux on a daily basis and at the same time doesn't care about a psuedo war for software freedom that one man is making a movement for.

The original point was about the relation between ChromeOS and Ubuntu. I noted the difference in philosophy, which is as big as it can get and many of us care as it affects the entire industry.

I think our main disagreement here was the meaning of "restrictive". I think we cleared that.

If you want to use ChromOS (or whatever else), then go ahead. If you want a "customizable" system, then look into KDE (if you haven't look into it already).

Legendary_Bibo
July 24th, 2011, 12:27 AM
many of us care as it affects the entire industry.


Not really



I think our main disagreement here was the meaning of "restrictive". I think we cleared that.

Yeah my definition of it is different to me



If you want to use ChromOS (or whatever else), then go ahead. If you want a "customizable" system, then look into KDE (if you haven't look into it already).

I don't like KDE.

3Miro
July 24th, 2011, 12:33 AM
Not really


It actually does, but this is hardly the place for such a discussion.

shobon
July 24th, 2011, 07:52 AM
A few weeks ago I used Hexxeh's nightly builds on my netbook, and emerge/portage was installed and usable, so it may have been Ubuntu-based in the past, but is Gentoo-based as of now.