lulzsec

[Eiji Takanaka]

funny?

[haqking]

anything in particular or you laughing to yourself ? ;-)

[Eiji Takanaka]

Haha i often laugh to myself man ;) I dunno it just seems some of the mischeif they get up to, seems quite funny to me. Kinda like jackass but an internet version.

[Dangertux]

I admit it I lol'ed irl...

[haqking]

i downloaded the 50 days of lulz which they released, to be honest it contained nothing of interest.

I have downloaded better youtube videos of cats ;-)

[Eiji Takanaka]

The short log they managed to acquire of the communications inside the group that got posted on the guardian website is an interesting read tho!

[Eiji Takanaka]

I assume the powers that be would of procured that from the dude, ryan is it who was hosting the irc room. Its interesting to see what techniques they use to go about their business though. Seems vpns are a big hit.

[Smilax]

nah, the dude who leaked it went under the name redacted in the logs, cause he redacted his name from them, which was m_nerva or something like that, which sucked for him, as lulzec then doxed him, and a few days ago the F.B.I called round for a chat, no arrest, but all his computers where taken

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/29/lulzsec-hacking-suspect-hamilton-ohio

and, yea, it's intresting to see how they went about it, and the mistakes that some of them made that are going to be paid for,

seems vpn's do work, but

using the same same handle or whatever for years and having that linked in some way to your real id by trusting people or even social stuff,

then 'slapping the fbi'

and bragging about with that handle seems to be a big no no.

who would of thought

but i guess most of em are still kids, and the hacking just developed from the social side of things and they really didn't think it throu,

i guess some shall be harder to catch than others thou.

hopefully if they do get caught it don't mess up there lives to much.

[Eiji Takanaka]

Yeah i thought it was the dude who hosted the irc room who got busted though? It could i suppose be either of those 2 avenues.

If the media wanted people to think that the group had been infiltrated they could of claimed their was a 'spy' in the room so to speak.

Perhaps the easiest way of procuring the intel would of been through the analysis of the hard-drive of the guy who hosted the chat-room. Provided he didn't shred his harddrive on regular intervals as a precautionary measure. This could also result in possible private messages being intercepted also.

But then if its a secure room that would i suppose require some level of infiltration in the first place, or suspicion of dodgy activity, worthy of a warrant to invade the hosts house.

As you say using handles that lead to the identity, is like leaving a load of breadcrumbs for any law enforcement agency to follow.

But its not only handles and actual names that can result in such links. Profiling of unique characteristics, speech patterns, browsing habits e.t.c would be another way of tracing and finding trends for those wishing to track down. Once a profile has been completed, i suspect monitoring lines of comms for those patterns becomes somewhat trivial.

A rookie error might of been leaving the browser fingerprint as something unique, i.e ubuntu e.t.c as it whittles down possible culprits substantially, the more unique the browser signature the more honed in the search would be. This would also be prevalent regardless of the vpn originating i.p adress logged in as well. And could be used to tie any seemingly innocuous activity to any more sinister goings, on i suspect that avenue was locked down though, as a fairly simply about:config alteration would result in a spoofed browser signature.

I suspect the method they used was probably a hi-jacked wi-fi connection, (possibly breached wi-fi) creating a possible 1 mile radius between the victims computer and the attacker, routed through ssh to a randomly breached router in a different country, which is then sshed out of into a different computer, and so on and so forth creating a chain of computers, finally conencted to an irc chat room, to launch the attacks from.

If i had any sense about me, and was commiting such a heinous crime, *disclaimer, wouldn't dream of it* i certainly wouldn't use vpn, as its possible, and more than likely there will be compromised vpn services, honeytraps so to speak, that could quickly give a rough area for any law enforcement types to hone in on.

And ego is what sets apart the good "hackers" from the great ones, your quite right.

Or the ones who get caught from the ones who don't maybe.

[Eiji Takanaka]

And yeah i agree, i think theyre just kids, having a laugh so to speak, i dont think they meant anything too bad.

[Eiji Takanaka]

Perhaps a closed door can often invite curiosity. Best to be out in the open about such things i would say, and have nothing to hide.

[Smilax]

good thoughts Eiji, intresting

the logs where leaked maybe 2 weeks before ryan got busted, i know, cause i read them ~1 week before ryan got busted,

he leaked them to the 'Web Ninja's'

http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com/

who are hangabouts with the jester

http://th3j35t3r.wordpress.com/

as for hi jacked wifi's etc etc,

it seems that those guys just lived online and failed to seperate the hacking from the hanging out.

so prob they just did it from there houses,



prob they all know how to do it but mataining a active twitter feed takes time, right

here's the leaders twitter feed

http://twitter.com/#!/anonymouSabu

all this info has been out there for many weeks,

after Topiary got dox'd there was a def change in there twitter feed
so pos that those dox are true,

there are a few dox about sabu out but he claims all are wrong and hey, his twitter still go's so maybe he's going to make it.

but i agree it fun to watch right, and i do hope they get away with it.....

[Dry Lips]

Just in case anyone missed it... We had a thread about LulzSec
a little while ago:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1789976

[Dangertux]

I just assume let it be what it is.

While I find Jester's blog amusing, if I were him, I'd be wanting to get paid before getting involved in it. Just my 2 cents.

[Smilax]

yea, the problem i have with the jester is he

spells his name in that leet speak nonsense

makes him look like an idiot

[KiwiNZ]

yea, the problem i have with the jester is he

spells his name in that leet speak nonsense

makes him look like an idiot

They all are.

[Dangertux]

They all are.

This.

It honestly reminds me of pranks that teenagers play. Higher profile targets but same mentality. Disappointing.

[Eiji Takanaka]

Aha...clever kiwinz.... Pretend to be someone condemning the lulzec movement, thus throwing some dis-info about the fact that you are in fact the lulzsec master-mind. Clever. *points finger and squeals in invasion of the body-snatchers fashion* ;)

[Smilax]

well, i don't think they are idiots,

and if they are, then

Fox, X factor, WoW, Unveillance, Public broadcasting system, Sony, Nintendo, Black & Berg Cybersecurity Consulting, Bethesda, Infragard, NHS, senate.gov, Arizona and navy.mil all where unable to keep idiots from accesing the public's and goverments data.

[Eiji Takanaka]

^^ the dudes got a point.

[Dangertux]

well, i don't think they are idiots,

and if they are, then

Fox, X factor, WoW, Unveillance, Public broadcasting system, Sony, Nintendo, Black & Berg Cybersecurity Consulting, Bethesda, Infragard, NHS, senate.gov, Arizona and navy.mil all where unable to keep idiots from accesing the public's and goverments data.

Possessing a skill does not negate you from being an idiot.

You can be amazing at something, and still be an idiot when it comes to other aspects of life. For instance, you can be a very skilled hacker, and instead of using those skills to make a six figure salary , you use them to prove a point and wear an ankle bracelet for a few years. That makes you an idiot.

[Smilax]

it's not all about the dollar,s and cent's

[Eiji Takanaka]

I would beg to differ Danger, i would say it makes you a human-being.

Great though is the temptation to lift yourself above others,

In the words of radiohead..

Take the money run, take the money run.........

I would suggest its those earning the 6 figure sums that are wearing the golden bangles and prancing around in their own unmitigated idiocy.

When it really comes down to it, do you think corporations being to blame as a scapegoat for the peoples anger will last much longer?

Do you not think people will not think...hang on a minute what about the people behind these corporations, they are driving their nice new cars around, while i can hardly afford to feed myself?

Just a thought anyways.

[Eiji Takanaka]

Perhaps Intelligence when used to further only one's self, is merely a barometer for ones potential to do evil.

And if greed knows no bounds, then perhaps it will end up devouring itself, or people becoming so fat that they can no longer stand up!

- Eiji -

[Dangertux]

Ok -- Let's take the money out of it for a second.

You can be an amazing hacker, and do something legitimate and positive without making money. IE: Contribute to the open source community, consult for free for non-profits and charities, or you can do something negative and anti-social. Thus landing yourself in trouble with the powers that be.

In either case, they chose to take a road which will ultimately lead to their own condemnation. That shows they lack both morals and common sense ; in my belief the base standards for being an idiot.

Now, as far as corporations go, I believe that corporations have a duty to their customers to protect the information that said customer provides them with. I also believe that they do not do nearly a good enough job at it. However, I am not going to break the law to prove it. Just like I'm not going to go bomb a subway because law enforcement doesn't do enough about the security of the people that rely on it.

The bottom line is the positive aspects weren't "High Profile Enough". Let's not confuse things here, these groups efforts may have started with a mission statement, but in the end it was a bunch of egotistic individuals acting like teenagers, tagging buildings to boost their ego. I think you give them too much credit.

Also I don't buy into the whole "we're persecuted by the man". If that really was the motivation behind the attacks, I have a feeling the individuals involved will soon find out exactly what it means to be persecuted by the man. I'm personally not a huge fan of making martyrs out of morons.

In short - all the ability in the world is completely useless without a measure of discipline to temper it.

[Eiji Takanaka]

O.k now that moneys out of the situation yes in part i agree with you dude.

You can use your skills to do something productive, or something destructive.

The formation of such groups is i think an inevitability in a society that is increasingly trying to remove freedoms and liberties from its citizens.

When the laws implemented in a society are put in place merely to protect the vested interests of an individual person or entity, and are not for the greater good of our society.

Then perhaps it is understandable that these laws are not laws for the good of the people, and are merely implemented because of the corruption of those who are in a supposed "responsible" position in society. *See lobbying of lawmakers by corporations".

So for the sake of those corrupt individuals wishing to further themselves, the people as a whole suffer. Our entire law system has been contaminated by these loop-holes and laws for the interests of nothing but corporations and those who own them.

Look at corporation tax for example. It is fairly common knowledge that corporations pay little to no tax in the countries they operate in. Instead they have their dealings in various tax-havens around the world.

Now if the corporations aren't paying their taxes and contributing back into society, they are in essence a leech on society are they not?

And now it has got to the point where they are pretty much running our respective countries.

Were they democratically elected? No they were elected because of money and various corrupt individuals, that allowed such things to happen.

If for example british petroleum were to all of a sudden decide it was no longer going to operate as british petroleum it was now world petroleum, and decided to move their entire work force to a different cheaper country, could anything really stop them?

What with the mass inclusion (and i must say extremely stealthy implementation of) job recruitment agencies, workers no longer have rights, they can be hired and fired in an instant and are usually on minimum wage for their troubles. This was the king pin in the entire operation, job recruitment agencies give companies the ability, to relocate their company at any point, anywhere on the world.

Now you think these going on's are a healthy place for humanity to be?

For people to use corporations as a machine to rinse every last person of their livelihoods, liberties e.t.c? To implement serfdom back once again onto the human species?

Perhaps then it is good to have balance in things, rather than the possible outcome of one massive supranational conglomerate that owns planet earth.

But if you hit one corporation then another will prosper. What we need is someone with balls in charge of the respective countries who will crack down on corporations, or even a unilateral agreement by various nations to do so.

1984 scenario by state rule?

I suspect if we continue the way we are headed it will be the 1984 situation, but it will be a corporate rule not a state rule!

[Dangertux]

O.k now that moneys out of the situation yes in part i agree with you dude.

You can use your skills to do something productive, or something destructive.

The formation of such groups is i think an inevitability in a society that is increasingly trying to remove freedoms and liberties from its citizens.

When the laws implemented in a society are put in place merely to protect the vested interests of an individual person or entity, and are not for the greater good of our society.

Then perhaps it is understandable that these laws are not laws for the good of the people, and are merely implemented because of the corruption of those who are in a supposed "responsible" position in society. *See lobbying of lawmakers by corporations".

So for the sake of those corrupt individuals wishing to further themselves, the people as a whole suffer. Our entire law system has been contaminated by these loop-holes and laws for the interests of nothing but corporations and those who own them.

Look at corporation tax for example. It is fairly common knowledge that corporations pay little to no tax in the countries they operate in. Instead they have their dealings in various tax-havens around the world.

Now if the corporations aren't paying their taxes and contributing back into society, they are in essence a leech on society are they not?

And now it has got to the point where they are pretty much running our respective countries.

Were they democratically elected? No they were elected because of money and various corrupt individuals, that allowed such things to happen.

If for example british petroleum were to all of a sudden decide it was no longer going to operate as british petroleum it was now world petroleum, and decided to move their entire work force to a different cheaper country, could anything really stop them?

What with the mass inclusion (and i must say extremely stealthy implementation of) job recruitment agencies, workers no longer have rights, they can be hired and fired in an instant and are usually on minimum wage for their troubles. This was the king pin in the entire operation, job recruitment agencies give companies the ability, to relocate their company at any point, anywhere on the world.

Now you think these going on's are a healthy place for humanity to be?

For people to use corporations as a machine to rinse every last person of their livelihoods, liberties e.t.c? To implement serfdom back once again onto the human species?

Perhaps then it is good to have balance in things, rather than the possible outcome of one massive supranational conglomerate that owns planet earth.

But if you hit one corporation then another will prosper. What we need is someone with balls in charge of the respective countries who will crack down on corporations, or even a unilateral agreement by various nations to do so.

1984 scenario by state rule?

I suspect if we continue the way we are headed it will be the 1984 situation, but it will be a corporate rule not a state rule!

Well , that is not something I particularly have an opinion on. To be honest, I believe it also to be slightly irrelevant to the original topic.

I can definitely understand the concern there, by many individuals, and believe me it's not something I am oblivious to. However, in my opinion if we want this to change, we're not going to achieve it by having outbursts akin to something my 2 year old would do when I don't give him a toy he wants.

Those are serious issues, that need serious thinkers and serious movers, not slightly intelligent pranksters. If anything in regards to this, I believe that the actions of the individuals in concern will have hindered movement in the proper direction, since they will be looked at as foolish and scapegoated, drawing attention from the real situation.

Something that they likely didn't consider, since their "mission" is more than likely just a means to establish publicity.

[Eiji Takanaka]

I agree to an extent once again my friend.

Perhaps they are not approaching it in the best way possible...

It is like the punk generation in a way, only i guess 'cyber-punk' would perhaps be a more appropriate terminological tag.

[Eiji Takanaka]

And yeah perhaps ability (power) without control would result in chaos.

[Smilax]

oh, i agree, direct acton never works,

much more would have been accomplished by these pranksters if they'll just have started an internet poll.

problem solved, it would be all over the news that people shouldn't reuse the same login details at different sites etc' and of course corporate security would be increased.

we all know a million like's on facebook can achieve anything, like that dude who can now call his kid megatron

what where they thinking

[Eiji Takanaka]

haha smilax man,

you've got a point.

;).

Consider this though dude, if your lost at sea and you are paddling around with no direction, then you will quickly use all your energy and possibly if your super unfortunate drown.

First you need a direction then you use your energy to get where you need to be.

Perhaps these people have a direction, perhaps not.

[Dangertux]

oh, i agree, direct acton never works,

much more would have been accomplished by these pranksters if they'll just have started an internet poll.

problem solved, it would be all over the news that people shouldn't reuse the same login details at different sites etc' and of course corporate security would be increased.

we all know a million like's on facebook can achieve anything, like that dude who can now call his kid megatron

what where they thinking

You're making the assumption that people don't apply proper security policies because they don't know they should, or how to.

The reality is they don't do it most of the time because they are lazy.

As far as much more being accomplished, the reality is nothing was accomplished, they will be old news in 3 months, and something else will be making headlines, everyone's security will be just as lax as it was before. All that will have changed is some if not all of them will have felony convictions on their record. So really what was the point of all this direct action?

[Smilax]

well, i changed all my passwords to different one's so that was accomplished.

as for your don't try cause you can't make a difference,

i'm reminded of a story of a little girl on a beach covered in washed up jellyfish baking in the sun,

'wasting' her time moving them one by one back into the sea

[Dangertux]

well, i changed all my passwords to different one's so that was accomplished.

as for your don't try cause you can't make a difference,

i'm reminded of a story of a little girl on a beach covered in washed up jellyfish baking in the sun,

'wasting' her time moving them one by one back into the sea


You misunderstand me, I'm not saying you can't make a difference. However, theatrics and pranks aren't going to make a difference. People will get so caught up in the "evil hacker" message that they entirely miss any valid information that may come from it.

It is very hard to influence people , harder still to do so by scaring them.

On a side note, sucks to be the jellyfish.

[Eiji Takanaka]

sounds like a kind kid to me!

[Smilax]

here's a quote from there 1000th tweet press release

"Do you think every hacker announces everything they've hacked? We certainly haven't, and we're damn sure
others are playing the silent game. Do you feel safe with your Facebook accounts, your Google Mail
accounts, your Skype accounts? What makes you think a hacker isn't silently sitting inside all of these
right now, sniping out individual people, or perhaps selling them off? You are a peon to these people.
A toy. A string of characters with a value.

This is what you should be fearful of, not us releasing things publicly, but the fact that someone hasn't
released something publicly."




and this, which is my fav.


"This is the Internet, where we screw each other over for a jolt of satisfaction. There are peons and lulz
lizards; trolls and victims. There's losers that post [redacted] they think matters, and other losers telling
them their [redacted] does not matter. In this situation, we are both of these parties, because we're fully
aware that every single person that reached this final sentence just wasted a few moments of their time.

Thank you, [redacted].
Lulz Security"

[Eiji Takanaka]

Kinda reminds me of a story of a little boy i heard when i was younger.

He spent the whole day painting pebbles, pretty colours and pretty animals,

Then later that day he threw them all back into the ocean where they had come from.

Perhaps that momentary enjoyment of throwing the stones into the ocean was worth the whole day of painting.

Perhaps he thought some other kid might of picked it up and looked at it, and appreciated the pictures he had painted.

Maybe given enough time another kid will pick the same stone up, paint his/her picture and once again throw it back into the ocean where it came from.

Maybe it wasn't as pointless as it first seemed.

[magmon]

As governments attempt to restrict what is allowed on the internet, these groups will only become more common and aggressive.


... Which is great, because that sh**'s hilarious.

[Dangertux]

here's a quote from there 1000th tweet press release

"Do you think every hacker announces everything they've hacked? We certainly haven't, and we're damn sure
others are playing the silent game. Do you feel safe with your Facebook accounts, your Google Mail
accounts, your Skype accounts? What makes you think a hacker isn't silently sitting inside all of these
right now, sniping out individual people, or perhaps selling them off? You are a peon to these people.
A toy. A string of characters with a value.

This is what you should be fearful of, not us releasing things publicly, but the fact that someone hasn't
released something publicly."




and this, which is my fav.


"This is the Internet, where we screw each other over for a jolt of satisfaction. There are peons and lulz
lizards; trolls and victims. There's losers that post [redacted] they think matters, and other losers telling
them their [redacted] does not matter. In this situation, we are both of these parties, because we're fully
aware that every single person that reached this final sentence just wasted a few moments of their time.

Thank you, [redacted].
Lulz Security"


The biggest mistake I see in this logic, is they assume that they are the only.

There will always be someone who knows more, is willing to go farther, and is willing to do it for a paycheck. Just something to keep in mind when playing games.

[Smilax]

The biggest mistake I see in this logic, is they assume that they are the only.

There will always be someone who knows more, is willing to go farther, and is willing to do it for a paycheck. Just something to keep in mind when playing games.


ehh? that's there point, didn''t you read the release?

"This is what you should be fearful of, not us releasing things publicly, but the fact that someone hasn't
released something publicly."









As governments attempt to restrict what is allowed on the internet, these groups will only become more common and aggressive.


... Which is great, because that sh**'s hilarious.


i agree, it really is great

fun fun fun,

[Dangertux]

ehh? that's there point, didn''t you read the release?

"This is what you should be fearful of, not us releasing things publicly, but the fact that someone hasn't
released something publicly."











i agree, it really is great

fun fun fun,

No , I see their point, but I think they may have missed that what they are saying is a double edged sword.

My point in all of this, is there are no good or bad guys, simply different points of view. It's not something I would choose to get involved with. It truly is a losing battle for those wanting to change things, at least via this course of action.

That being said, it will be what it will be.

[Eiji Takanaka]

It is a double edged sword.

In the end the lulz may be on them, sadly.

Forceful opinions are no way to win hearts and minds.

Neither is denigrating the potential backers of a worthwhile cause.

A change is required or the higher their ego takes them, the further the fall from grace.

[Eiji Takanaka]

Saying that i do actually find it pretty funny what theyre doing.

Are people really that bothered about their facebook or whatever being hacked? I couldn't be arsed personally, in fact i'd find it pretty funny. Thats just me.

It would be mildly annoying as well as funny, but all in all probably more funny. The amount of mischeif you could get up to posting random facebook statuses nothing bad....i love turnips or other random inanimate objects would be priceless.

But then i do find it hilariously funny any time my sister goes out of the room, to post a random facebook status on her facebook and then wait until she clocks it.

....Priceless.... But then for everything else theres mastercard..... Oh wait a minute their site won't load hahahahahahahaha.

[KiwiNZ]

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