Australian LoCo team Re-Approval

[benonsoftware]

I was checking up with Jared about the Australian team re-approval to become a official LoCo team again. We will raise the issue on the 12 of June 2011 at the team meeting. I was wondering would the rest of the team like it?

[gandella]

Thanks for raising this.
I would like to see ubuntu-au reapply for official status again.

However not much has changed from when it lost its official status.
Sure, the wiki has been updated and we have a new team contact (that is trying).

I have stayed quiet since we lost the official status to see what happens and I must say that not much.

Participation is almost non existent, you had 6 people at last nights meeting, out of how many members in the Loco?

How many people attended the recent release parties?
We saw some pictures of Brisbane, what about Sydney, Melbourne & Adelaide? Not exactly a resounding success!

There is NO enthusiasm or encouragement for people to participate.

There is NO plan, to re-apply for official LOCO status, if there is one where is it?

There are NO goals that people can work towards.

There is NO vision for Ubuntu-au to go forward into the future.

You may find this post to be very negative, it is, but until these things are addressed Ubuntu-au will go nowhere.

One place to start would be to have a CENSUS to actually find out who is still interested in the LOCO. Lets have an 'official' membership list that is reviewed yearly.
There are 'members' lists everywhere. One on launchpad, one on the wiki and one on Facebook. My suggestion would be to remove the wiki list and ask everybody that is still interested in the LOCO to add their name.

Once we have a list of interested/current members, we can start to get a consensus about the future of the LOCO.

Just some suggestions! No malice intended :D

[paultag]

Hidy ho, gandella.

I'm not in Ubuntu AU, but I am on the LoCo Council. I saw this, and figured I had at least a passing interest in keeping this on-point.

All of this is from me, personally, and my views do not (necessary) speak for the LoCo Council.


Thanks for raising this.
I would like to see ubuntu-au reapply for official status again.


Me too. It broke my heart to see it get un-approved, but it was to the point where the only way to take a step forward was to back out and try again.



However not much has changed from when it lost its official status.
Sure, the wiki has been updated and we have a new team contact (that is trying).


Well, that's good. The issue with the team (if I recall) was that it was too monolithic, and refused to be open about new things.

If the team is the same, but it's now none of those previous things, it would seem like the team is in a state in which we let it remain approved previously.



I have stayed quiet since we lost the official status to see what happens and I must say that not much.

Participation is almost non existent, you had 6 people at last nights meeting, out of how many members in the Loco?


How many did you have a meetings before you lost approved status? What's the change since new leadership took over?

I've found all teams have membership numbers higher then the number of really active folks. The thing to look for is the rate of change.

Are the numbers growing?

Are more activities happening?

Are you advocating more or less then last year at this point?



How many people attended the recent release parties?
We saw some pictures of Brisbane, what about Sydney, Melbourne & Adelaide? Not exactly a resounding success!

There is NO enthusiasm or encouragement for people to participate.


If I recall, this was all centralized in one place before. That means that all the members in these locations would have joined the loco in this last short time.

The fact they happen is impressive.



There is NO plan, to re-apply for official LOCO status, if there is one where is it?

There are NO goals that people can work towards.

There is NO vision for Ubuntu-au to go forward into the future.


That is a blocker. Is this true? Is there no plan, goal or vision?



You may find this post to be very negative, it is, but until these things are addressed Ubuntu-au will go nowhere.


I do, actually. I don't like the tone, personally. I think that's mostly why I jumped in. Next time, you can bring up some productive topics, such as:

What can we do to ensure we can continue growth?

Are we at the point where we can sustain our growth in a meaningful way up to, and past Approval?

What would being Approved mean to Australia?


Personally, I love the take on "shippit" for Australia. It's nice to see that still around.

I see tons of activity, and I love it. I'm pretty exited about Ubuntu AU.



One place to start would be to have a CENSUS to actually find out who is still interested in the LOCO. Lets have an 'official' membership list that is reviewed yearly.
There are 'members' lists everywhere. One on launchpad, one on the wiki and one on Facebook. My suggestion would be to remove the wiki list and ask everybody that is still interested in the LOCO to add their name.


Census is good. Don't let this block progress to becoming approved, though.

You can consider mailing everyone on the team, you should be able to snag email addresses via Launchpadlib, and send out a nice ping mailer.



Once we have a list of interested/current members, we can start to get a consensus about the future of the LOCO.


Whoh. Please don't block the team's progress with Approval with this. We call that "Shaving the Yak".



Just some suggestions! No malice intended :D

Rock on witcha bad self, Oz!

[fabricator4]

One place to start would be to have a CENSUS to actually find out who is still interested in the LOCO. Lets have an 'official' membership list that is reviewed yearly.
There are 'members' lists everywhere. One on launchpad, one on the wiki and one on Facebook. My suggestion would be to remove the wiki list and ask everybody that is still interested in the LOCO to add their name.

I am a new member, and have kept quiet on this, but feel there's some important points to make here.

LoCo members are not ordinary users. They are people who are deeply interested in Ubuntu, it's promotion, and it's future. This would be true regardless of what events they get involved in and what meetings they attend. If you start deleting names out of the membership list you would be potentially alienating people who may in the future wish to contribute in some way. That list is the potential of the group and is extremely valuable to it.

As for participation in the meetings, it's just as important that there were many observers taking an interest. I see a great deal of potential in that also.

So, active members of the group can face the challenge of getting others involved: something that is not unique to this group or any number of SIGs, clubs etc that I've been involved in over the years.


Chris.

[Jared Norris]

As recently discussed at the June Meeting (http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/93/detail/) and on the Mailing List (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007258.html) Ubuntu-AU is going to seek approval again based upon our current efforts.

You can see our application on the team wiki page here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Approval2011).

Check it out and let the mailing list (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MailingLists) know if you think anything is missing!

[gandella]

LoCo members are not ordinary users. They are people who are deeply interested in Ubuntu, it's promotion, and it's future.

If this was true, there would be more participation, in meetings both online and physical.



This would be true regardless of what events they get involved in and what meetings they attend. If you start deleting names out of the membership list you would be potentially alienating people who may in the future wish to contribute in some way.


How would asking people to re-affirm their commitment alienate people?



That list is the potential of the group and is extremely valuable to it.

Which list? The wiki membership list. How many of these people are still active?
Is the information accurate, I'm sure the LUG contact list is way out of date.



As for participation in the meetings, it's just as important that there were many observers taking an interest. I see a great deal of potential in that also.

Australia has a population of 21million that is great potential too.



So, active members of the group can face the challenge of getting others involved: something that is not unique to this group or any number of SIGs, clubs etc that I've been involved in over the years.

So who are these 'active' members, how have you Identified them? What are they doing? As it stands now, our Team contact is the only really active member because he is the 'TEAM CONTACT' and that is all that we have.

[gandella]

Hi Paul

I apologise for my bluntness and hope that nobody takes offence.
All of this is my own opinion.



How many did you have a meetings before you lost approved status? What's the change since new leadership took over?

I've found all teams have membership numbers higher then the number of really active folks. The thing to look for is the rate of change.
Are the numbers growing?
Are more activities happening?
Are you advocating more or less then last year at this point?

The only thing that has changed is the monthly online meetings, however the numbers of participants are dwindling. The true membership number is not reflected because I doubt people actually remove themselves when they loose interest.



If I recall, this was all centralized in one place before. That means that all the members in these locations would have joined the loco in this last short time.

You are mistaken, things happened elsewhere before losing our status.



I do, actually. I don't like the tone, personally. I think that's mostly why I jumped in. Next time, you can bring up some productive topics, such as:

What can we do to ensure we can continue growth?

Are we at the point where we can sustain our growth in a meaningful way up to, and past Approval?

What would being Approved mean to Australia?

I apologise, but I say things as I see it, I'm not one for 'fluff'.
These are good questions that still have not been answered, all I see is a continuation of the flawed model that was before we lost official status.

I had advocated some changes before we lost our approval and they were squashed by a few favoured members. There was no compromise, no-mediation, no negotiation. Sure we had a few polls and out of the 320 odd members at most we had about 20 (I think) actually bother to vote.




I see tons of activity, and I love it. I'm pretty exited about Ubuntu AU.

Really!! Did all of those release parties really happen? Who knows, no pictures no reports. Sure the stand at LCA was a success. I wonder if it was held in another city where the 'Team Contact' didn't attend and the Canonical staff didn't lend a hand, would have been a success?



Census is good. Don't let this block progress to becoming approved, though.

You can consider mailing everyone on the team, you should be able to snag email addresses via Launchpadlib, and send out a nice ping mailer.

If we actually know who still has an active interest in the LOCO we can engage active participation. Until that happens it is a case of the 'blind leading the blind'.

I apologise for my bluntness and hope that nobody takes offence.

[gandella]

I wish you well, but what will it actually mean?

[fabricator4]

If this was true, there would be more participation, in meetings both online and physical.

You miss the point. Loco members are not ordinary users because they've already put their hands up and shown that they are interested in promoting the concept of Ubuntu. This has nothing to do with their actual participation. Just because they haven't found a way to participate does not mean that they will not do so in the future, or that they do not wish to right now. The challenge here is finding ways to give more people more ways to become involved in a productive manner, and to stay in touch with all members so that they are aware of these opportunities in the future.

In some ways the fragmentary makeup of the group's communication methods is a symptom of this: There's so many websites, wikis, lists, social media etc etc that this is a potential problem for new members and the leadership. On the other hand, it gives people as many methods as possible for staying in touch and learning about activities and ways of getting involved. I think the right balance is being strived for and the amount of effort involved is not trivial.




How would asking people to re-affirm their commitment alienate people?

You're twisting the words. I didn't say asking people to re-affirm would alienate them, I said that if you started deleting the members off the list as you proposed you would alienate them.

If you deleted my name off a list I'd just joined I would certainly feel alienated. Doing this would seem to indicate that you didn't want me on the list, and that you were not interested in my participation. I doubt that I would make the effort to rejoin the group at that point.

That would be called throwing the baby out with the bath water. Paultag called it "shaving the yak", which was being too kind - Certainly it would be a useless procrastination but it would also be much more damaging to the membership. This is an idea best left in a corner somewhere and forgotten.

Instead, find ways of reaching the rest of the list who are not currently active in some way. Find ways of getting them involved, and find ways of allowing them to contribute. That's yak farming. :-)


Australia has a population of 21million that is great potential too.

Absolutely. Any ideas on how to get them all involved? :-)

It's a numbers game. Of that 21 million, only a small percentage even know about Linux and Ubuntu. Of those, only a very small number wish to volunteer their time in promoting, teaching, and developing. Obviously the best way to increase the latter group is to work really hard on the first group. Human nature being what it is, the rest will follow. These things tend to have a critical mass where it becomes self sustaining, and we (Australian LoCo team) are not at that point yet. A lot of hard work is required, and as a volunteer group there are limited resources available.


So who are these 'active' members, how have you Identified them? What are they doing? As it stands now, our Team contact is the only really active member because he is the 'TEAM CONTACT' and that is all that we have.

That's a very obstructionist attitude. It belittles the efforts being made and is intentionally obtuse. Fortunately paultag doesn't seem to use the same yardstick and hopefully the rest of the council will not either. Obviously there are many people involved, in many different ways.

If I may say, your attitude seems to stem largely from an element of burn-out. This is not a good thing, for you or for the Australian LoCo team. You say "I wish you well" but the words following it and preceding it seem to indicate otherwise. I can see your disenchantment with whole process, and I understand, it's just that your angst would be much better expressed privately to those involved rather than making a public spat about it.

I note that your nickname does not appear in the members list anywhere. Does this mean that you have withdrawn your membership from the team and no longer wish to be involved?

Regards,

Chris

[gandella]

Hi Chris,




If I may say, your attitude seems to stem largely from an element of burn-out. This is not a good thing, for you or for the Australian LoCo team. You say "I wish you well" but the words following it and preceding it seem to indicate otherwise. I can see your disenchantment with whole process, and I understand, it's just that your angst would be much better expressed privately to those involved rather than making a public spat about it.

Don't get me wrong, I do wish the team well and I see great potential.

I shall lower my expectations that way I wont be disappointed.

I apologise for airing my opinion publicly.

I will go back into my box and stay with the silent majority.

[kyphi]

This is a public forum. Is this really where we want to hang our dirty washing out?

What about something constructive?

1. Call for interest in acting as a Coordinator for your State.

That way the coordinators can meet for discussions and also act as representatives for those unable to attend meetings. Topics for discussion can be emailed to the coordinators. Keeping in mind that the term meeting is used here very loosely since IRC is just fingers tapping on a keyboard. Perhaps another communication medium should be used - IRC is really very primitive. What about VoIP telephony or telephone conferencing or face-to-face.

2. Tidying up the members list does not mean erasing names willy-nilly.

There are names on that list of members long gone. It needs affirmation. Some users of Ubuntu have no interest in declaring themselves and that wish for anonymity has to be respected so don't expect a rush of replies.

3. Be sparing with your use of "I". Teams use "We".

[gandella]

Being constructive, as I have been critical (of which I have the right and in public).

1. Mission Statement: What about creating a 'Mission Statement' ?
Searching the Internet I ran across the Belgian team LoCo (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam), I think that this is a great example of trying to define what purpose a loco fullfills.

(As a side note, they have an interesting discussion about Team organisation (http://https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/TeamOrganization))

2. Goals: What goals can we set to fullfill our mission, how will we achieve them?

Both 1 & 2 need to be placed firmly on the wiki and web page, so that potential members can see what the Loco stands for and how it achieves its goals, this might encourage more active participation.

IDEA
A. An Ubuntu Suporters Pack: Contains a Hat, T-shirt, Stickers, pens etc.
Cost: $50 (These can be ordered in bulk, saving shipping expences)
Distribution: A person gets given their supporters pack when they attend a release party. Gives members a reason for attending, increases participation rates.

:)

[fabricator4]

1. Mission Statement: What about creating a 'Mission Statement' ?


Actually a great idea, perhaps it can be raised at the next meeting? The Belgian statement seems a little light on specifics, but perhaps this is appropriate for such a document. Also, a first draft should probably be quite general: specifics can be added later.

Chris

[paultag]

Hi there,

I really don't mean to be a bother, I think some good conversation is going on.

One thing I have noticed (from the emails I've been lurking on) is gandella.

gandella, it seems you have posted 6 out of the 13 posts on this thread, 46%.

If you decide to post, please put all your posts into one post (three posts on the same topic right in a row is not very nice), and try to let others into the conversation.

I can't imagine you post like that to a mailing list, so why do it here?

Again, sorry if I've crossed any lines, and I don't mean to be a bother, it's just something that piqued my interest.

[kyphi]

@paultag - Sometimes the urge to add yet another comment takes precedence over the nicety of "waiting for your turn". There is no need to gag a contributor. All positive contributions are welcome.
Are you playing mother on the Australian LoCo Team Forum?

[Jared Norris]

Hi Paul

The only thing that has changed is the monthly online meetings, however the numbers of participants are dwindling. The true membership number is not reflected because I doubt people actually remove themselves when they loose interest.

I had advocated some changes before we lost our approval and they were squashed by a few favoured members. There was no compromise, no-mediation, no negotiation. Sure we had a few polls and out of the 320 odd members at most we had about 20 (I think) actually bother to vote.

Really!! Did all of those release parties really happen? Who knows, no pictures no reports. Sure the stand at LCA was a success. I wonder if it was held in another city where the 'Team Contact' didn't attend and the Canonical staff didn't lend a hand, would have been a success?

Not true, we've not just had online meetings, we've held 2 successful events, managed a much larger footprint for a release party than we've ever achieved previously and we're getting more people involved in the running of the team. We're working with Canonical to have the website updated so we can theme it appropriately and encourage more participation.

As for "quashed by a favoured few" again I will point you to previous comments on this on the team mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-April/006067.html) where you basically just spammed the list until people unsubscribed in numbers never seen before.



How would asking people to re-affirm their commitment alienate people?

Which list? The wiki membership list. How many of these people are still active?
Is the information accurate, I'm sure the LUG contact list is way out of date.

So who are these 'active' members, how have you Identified them? What are they doing? As it stands now, our Team contact is the only really active member because he is the 'TEAM CONTACT' and that is all that we have.

I personally have been contemplating toying with the idea of putting a 1 year expiry on the launchpad team. I have to investigate further but if it were possible to make it so that users could automatically resubscribe on a yearly basis this may help. I believe we have a lot of users on the list by "default". I'll have a talk to some launchpad people to see what is and isn't possible for moderated teams.



What about something constructive?

1. Call for interest in acting as a Coordinator for your State.

That way the coordinators can meet for discussions and also act as representatives for those unable to attend meetings. Topics for discussion can be emailed to the coordinators. Keeping in mind that the term meeting is used here very loosely since IRC is just fingers tapping on a keyboard. Perhaps another communication medium should be used - IRC is really very primitive. What about VoIP telephony or telephone conferencing or face-to-face.

2. Tidying up the members list does not mean erasing names willy-nilly.

There are names on that list of members long gone. It needs affirmation. Some users of Ubuntu have no interest in declaring themselves and that wish for anonymity has to be respected so don't expect a rush of replies.


1 - That would work if we had hundreds of members evenly spread around the country but the fact is we don't. Adding more bureaucracy and levels of governance is not the way forward for a team our size at this point.

2 - See my comments about expiry dates on launchpad, might be a way forward for this.



Being constructive, as I have been critical (of which I have the right and in public).

1. Mission Statement: What about creating a 'Mission Statement' ?
Searching the Internet I ran across the Belgian team LoCo (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam), I think that this is a great example of trying to define what purpose a loco fullfills.

(As a side note, they have an interesting discussion about Team organisation (http://https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/TeamOrganization))

2. Goals: What goals can we set to fullfill our mission, how will we achieve them?

Both 1 & 2 need to be placed firmly on the wiki and web page, so that potential members can see what the Loco stands for and how it achieves its goals, this might encourage more active participation.

IDEA
A. An Ubuntu Suporters Pack: Contains a Hat, T-shirt, Stickers, pens etc.
Cost: $50 (These can be ordered in bulk, saving shipping expences)
Distribution: A person gets given their supporters pack when they attend a release party. Gives members a reason for attending, increases participation rates.

:)

1 - We already have a very similar setup to the Belgium team from what I can gather having a quick read over that page. Our missing statement isn't long and large but from our main team page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam) "The Australian team focuses on distributing, advertising and demonstrating Ubuntu within Australia. Through the development of our projects we focus on the areas of schools, business and home users." is what I would consider our current mission statement. If it needs revising then lets have discussion on it on the mailing list and talk in the meetings.

2 - See point 1, it has general goals. If we want specific ones lets hear some ideas.

There is no real shipping saving to be had on the shop.canonical.com from my 3 or 4 purchases but feel free to poll the mailing list to see who is interested in a bulk order. If I recall correctly this was actually recently done but Paul Gear and he had a number of people go in for an order of stickers.


Actually a great idea, perhaps it can be raised at the next meeting? The Belgian statement seems a little light on specifics, but perhaps this is appropriate for such a document. Also, a first draft should probably be quite general: specifics can be added later.

Chris

Sounds like a plan. I notice no one has added any of this thread to the next planned team meeting (http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/111/detail/).

As a general comment to one and all it's great to have conversation on ideas but what it really comes down to is action. Unless people are willing to put more time and effort in to running events, attending meetings and organising local events around global ones (global jams, release parties, community weeks, etc) then what does it matter what structure we have. As it stands there is no resistance at any point to anyone organising events under the Ubuntu-AU flag and I feel this is a good thing instead of the bad thing it's being made out to be. If we add more levels of structure and governance it will most likely add resistance to running events and promoting the team and Ubuntu. If you want to improve Ubuntu-AU the best thing you can possibly do is get out there and organise something in the public. The best way to achieve that is to write an email to the list "I am wanting to do xyz, is there anyone willing to help out and does anyone have any suggestions on how to best achieve this?"

Remember, you don't have to have a special title within the team to be constructive within the team. I was no more than any other member when I organised the free shipit service and I was only voted team contact AFTER running the LCA event.

[kyphi]

Affirming membership registration on a yearly basis is what is required by the Linux Counter project among others and seems like an excellent way to keep the Australian Team Members List up to date.

The reason for my suggestion for State representation was that communication and promotional efforts could be managed on a local level. The current "one size fits all" approach has been shown not to work. Consider starting it off in Brisbane where there are sufficient interested members. You can meet face-to-face and may even get to like each other. The argument that there are insufficient members to localise on this vast continent cannot be substantiated. How are LUGs organised? They are localised under the umbrella of Linux Australia. We can do the same.

Apropos the Australian Team website - put a bit of colour in it please. It is looking far too bland and unattractive. I can help with graphics.

[kyphi]

At the risk of being accused of spamming this list ;), I feel that I must speak out and would like to request that future communications here are kept brief.

Now that I have had the time to evaluate head_victim's very long epistle here are a few comments:

If you are accusing Gandella of being responsible for the mass exodus from the mailing list then you owe him an apology. It is quite likely that there was so much traffic generated that people switched off but the cause for Ubuntu-Au's near demise lies elsewhere. In any case, dwelling on the past will not help us move forward and pointing the finger is contrary to the governing Code of Conduct and achieves nothing.

What is this talk of governance and bureaucracy? No-one suggested that we have a president and an upper and lower house? Is this reviving false perceptions from the past?

Remember that 1 is one, 2 is a pair, 3 is a crowd and 4 is a group. It only takes four people to form a group.

I have already taken the initiative (in 2010) and formed a group called The Australian Ubuntu Seniors. We have 8 members and we are a happy crowd :D.

Why not form a group for each population centre? I think that this should be encouraged, don't you?

[fabricator4]

I personally have been contemplating toying with the idea of putting a 1 year expiry on the launchpad team. I have to investigate further but if it were possible to make it so that users could automatically resubscribe on a yearly basis this may help. I believe we have a lot of users on the list by "default". I'll have a talk to some launchpad people to see what is and isn't possible for moderated teams.

My initial concern was that only the grass roots membership would re-apply. Members who might be moved to contribute in the future would be excluded. Thinking about it though, as long as contact is maintained through for example the mail list this shouldn't be too much of a problem. People can rejoin when they want to.

I agree the process needs to be automated though - something like an activator email with a link that you visit to confirm continuing membership.




1 - That would work if we had hundreds of members evenly spread around the country but the fact is we don't. Adding more bureaucracy and levels of governance is not the way forward for a team our size at this point.


I have to agree with this. If the membership grew to the point when it was difficult to manage then creating sub-branches would be the way to go. Until then though, I see no point in adding extra levels of managment.



1 - We already have a very similar setup to the Belgium team from what I can gather having a quick read over that page. Our missing statement isn't long and large but from our main team page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam) "The Australian team focuses on distributing, advertising and demonstrating Ubuntu within Australia. Through the development of our projects we focus on the areas of schools, business and home users." is what I would consider our current mission statement. If it needs revising then lets have discussion on it on the mailing list and talk in the meetings.


Again as the newcomer, I did read that but didn't really equate it with a "mission statement" as such. It also gave me only a sketchy idea as to how the group actually operated, and much of that was assumption I guess.

A mission statement should (I feel) give some idea of how the group operates. A good place for it might be the wiki, and it could be linked in the main menu right under "Australian Team Home".



Sounds like a plan. I notice no one has added any of this thread to the next planned team meeting (http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/111/detail/).

I've now added a couple of items to the agenda in line with gandella's ideas.

Chris

[ikt]

@paultag - Sometimes the urge to add yet another comment takes precedence over the nicety of "waiting for your turn". There is no need to gag a contributor. All positive contributions are welcome.
Are you playing mother on the Australian LoCo Team Forum?

What Paultag mentioned is just common Internet courtesy, as gandella is new and doesn't mind being blunt, I assume he will be fine with the advice.

http://jiggmin.com/threads/61146-How-to-avoid-double-posting




This is a public forum. Is this really where we want to hang our dirty washing out?

Well our IRC channel is logged and is a public chat room, the logs are stored on a public website accessible by the public, our mailing list archives are also accessible by the public and is a public mailing list, I don't think we have dirty washing or clean washing, we just have washing. :p

[benonsoftware]

I was wondering should Jared add Ubuntu-AU to a LoCo council meeting agenda for re-approval?

[benonsoftware]

For any of you that is not on Ubuntu Australia mailing list I would just like to say that head_victim (We know him as Jared) as filed a bug it be -re-approved again. Just to let you know only Jared and the LoCo team council can view the bug. Very best trying to get it.:D

[ikt]

For any of you that is not on Ubuntu Australia mailing list I would just like to say that head_victim (We know him as Jared) as filed a bug it be -re-approved again. Just to let you know only Jared and the LoCo team council can view the bug. Very best trying to get it.:D

Indeed, I hope we do!

[Jared Norris]

Just a quick update, the application has been acknowledged from the LoCo Council so now it's just a matter of waiting to hear how it all goes.

I'll keep everyone in the loop on this thread and the mailing list.

[gandella]

Has there been any progress in the re-approval?
It has been nearly 2 months.:P