Java Open Sourced

[KingBahamut]

"After resisting for years, Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz at JavaOne this morning said that he will release the source code for Java. The company is asking developers to provide feedback on how to best get there and prevent forking and fragmentation."

http://www.vnunet.com/2156205

Woohoo!!!!!! ABOUT TIME.

[Sheinar]

When I read a while ago that they were going to "make it easier to bundle Java with Linux distributions", it sounded more like quick change to the license without actually making it properly Free software/open source, however much I hoped Java would become Free.

It still sounds like there could be some problems, and I especially thought so after Gosling shouted his mouth off about it, but this has given me hope.

As I remember someone saying on either Newsforge or eWeek, all Sun really need to do is to not allow any deviation of the code to use the Java trademark and have a test for applications to see if they conform to the Java standard before they can call themselves Java or not.

[daller]

Really nice! - I'm looking forward for this one!

[BoyOfDestiny]

"After resisting for years, Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz at JavaOne this morning said that he will release the source code for Java. The company is asking developers to provide feedback on how to best get there and prevent forking and fragmentation."

http://www.vnunet.com/2156205

Woohoo!!!!!! ABOUT TIME.

At last! Although I still have hope for gcj ;) I wonder if this will help at all...

I never bought the old excuses anyway. If you fork java, there is no confusion, because if it doesn't follow the specifications, it wouldn't be java. It's like what MS did, they ended up calling it j++ then c# (correct me if I'm wrong). It's either java or it isn't.

[Sammi]

What will this mean for the user? Any benifits for me? ;)

[KingBahamut]

Better Java integration , Cleaner java development, more choices.

[Engnome]

It's like what MS did, they ended up calling it j++ then c# (correct me if I'm wrong). It's either java or it isn't.

c# is based on c++ and is kinda like J++ It describes MS method very well. EEE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend_and_extinguish) They took c++ and added windows specific functions.

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_sharp

[ThirdWorld]

"After resisting for years, Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz at JavaOne this morning said that he will release the source code for Java. The company is asking developers to provide feedback on how to best get there and prevent forking and fragmentation."

http://www.vnunet.com/2156205

Woohoo!!!!!! ABOUT TIME.


Wow... thats a very dangerous move from Sun... good luck dealing with temperamental volunteers...

[RAV TUX]

"After resisting for years, Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz at JavaOne this morning said that he will release the source code for Java. The company is asking developers to provide feedback on how to best get there and prevent forking and fragmentation."

http://www.vnunet.com/2156205

Woohoo!!!!!! ABOUT TIME.


WOW Great news indeed !

[BoyOfDestiny]

Wow... thats a very dangerous move from Sun... good luck dealing with temperamental volunteers...

Yeah look what happened with OpenSolaris. It's the titanic...:rolleyes:

/me goes to look for the ignorelist...

[ThirdWorld]

Yeah look what happened with OpenSolaris. It's the titanic...:rolleyes:

/me goes to look for the ignorelist...


where is that option??, because frankly im the one who dont want to read your posts...

[Virogenesis]

well this is quite a good move by sun if they do opensource it as it will allow more tweaks to be added to java we'll no doubt we the most enterprise worthy software for servers out of this move.
I can't see how this is dangerous for sun really, they need to lower their cost of their OS, with opensolaris and java we might see java taking over from .net. :)

[ThirdWorld]

well this is quite a good move by sun if they do opensource it as it will allow more tweaks to be added to java we'll no doubt we the most enterprise worthy software for servers out of this move.
I can't see how this is dangerous for sun really, they need to lower their cost of their OS, with opensolaris and java we might see java taking over from .net. :)

and what is going to happend with the mono project? does that mean it will be irrelevant in the future?

[Virogenesis]

and what is going to happend with the mono project? does that mean it will be irrelevant in the future?
mono .net = replacement
.net = replacement for java
the guys at sun looked at web apps, a long time ago.... .net is a soloution to a microsoft problem.

[unbuntu]

It's like what MS did, they ended up calling it j++ then c# (correct me if I'm wrong). It's either java or it isn't.

Last time I checked there's still J#, which is the successor of J++ under .NET, although they are all designed by Anders Hejlsberg. They are pretty similar.

[helpme]

where is that option??
Click on the username of the user you want to ignore -> choose View Public Profile -> Click on "Add $username to my ignore list"

Guess why I know this and bye, bye.

[Virogenesis]

thanks helpme, very helpful.....damn i'm going to make the db quite big by ignoring so many :)

[ThirdWorld]

sweet...

[ThirdWorld]

actually, after I tried the ignore list I think is a ridiculous thing... i dont want to use it, if any of you dont want to read somebodys post just close your eyes... :mrgreen:

[ComplexNumber]

i wonder whats going to happen to gcj now that javas going open source.

[ubuntu27]

SOme kind of contradiction?

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2156205/sun-promises-open-source-java


and


http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6957752431.html


One talks about Sun planning to realease the Source Code for java, the toerh only says that Suns plans to change their liscence (but not offer the code...)

[briancurtin]

they already have source code released under two different licences. the one about changing the license seems more correct to me.

[ow50]

Another funny license. My favorite part:

You acknowledge that Licensed Software is not designed or intended for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility.

When Sun says they'll "open source" Java, I assume it means they'll come up with another new, ridiculous license, that will in the Debian sense still keep Java in non-free, just as it currently is.

[fuscia]

what is java good for?

[Virogenesis]

what is java good for?
Networking applications, Mobile phone games, Web applications.... all sorts

[fuscia]

Networking applications, Mobile phone games, Web applications.... all sorts

someone on the firefox forums once suggested i disable java. he said i would get faster response from firefox if i did and he appeared to be correct. i've seen some other negative comments on java here, as well. does it have infamous problems?

[Virogenesis]

someone on the firefox forums once suggested i disable java. he said i would get faster response from firefox if i did and he appeared to be correct. i've seen some other negative comments on java here, as well. does it have infamous problems?
it doesn't have infamous problems, people do consider java to be slow, but to be perfectly honest, its as fast as c++ these days.
Those that state otherwise don't know what they are talking about.
All langs have ups and dones.
here are some benchmarks.

http://java.sys-con.com/read/45250.htm?CFID=421670&CFTOKEN=5BD9B9B0-B7A9-B97F-F908D5B7145A0650

[elamericano]

someone on the firefox forums once suggested i disable java. he said i would get faster response from firefox if i did and he appeared to be correct. i've seen some other negative comments on java here, as well. does it have infamous problems?

Web page embedded Java is just a small portion of Java's uses. In that roll it is used primarily for advertisement, which is the reason I disable it on any browser.

[Kimm]

I read a couple of articles on the mather, and it seems like the acctual code will be released. I'll look for the actual articles later... I read them yesterday... on another computer :-P

[blueturtl]

Does this mean we'll see Ubuntu bundled with a tested and certified Runtime Environment and browser plug-ins in the future or possibly the availability of those in the repositories? That would surely appeal to a lot of newbies (there are plenty of sites out there with built-in java functionality). Not that installing java would be so difficult in it's current state... but apt-get jre java-firefox sounds pretty sweet.

[Sheinar]

In that roll it is used primarily for advertisement
It is? I honestly can't say I ever remember seeing any Java advertisements.

[Kimm]

Perhaps he is talking about JavaScript... thats not the same thing btw.

[BWF89]

Now Linux distros can bundle Java in with them, more people will program with Java, and more programs will become cross-platform since they'll run in an independent enviroment.

EDIT: It's a winning situation for Windows, Macintosh, and Linux/Unix.

[ComplexNumber]

i wonder whats going to happen to gcj now that javas going open source.
my question was partially answered with this (http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/05/18/red_hat_sun_java_license/).

[elamericano]

It is? I honestly can't say I ever remember seeing any Java advertisements.

http://www.devdaily.com/java/applets/AnimatedAd2/

"The intent of this applet is to show how Java ads can be different and improve upon animated GIF images."

No, I didn't mean javascript. That's not the same thing btw. ;-)

I remember reading some messages board feedback about how some third-party banner ads contained java programs, and some of the weaker/older computers were slowing to a crawl or crashing. Maybe that kind of feedback moved advertisers to animated gifs and flash ads instead. (You've seen flash ads, haven't you?)