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re_animate
May 26th, 2011, 01:01 PM
So I've been messing round with desktop environments, gnome, unity etc and I've been coming to some conclusions about functionality and style.

Unity (to me) just seems like gnome 3 but a little less thought out.
Gnome3 seems to be on the right track but needs a **** tonne of tweaking before anything useful can come out of it. That being said I do like it, I just have a few issues with it. - I wont go into unity because, well, there's no point. I installed gnome3 on my 11.04 system and here are my thoughts.



> My issue with gnome 3 is the lack of customisability.

for instance I would love to move the main bar from top of the screen to the bottom because when I have a browser (or any window) open my window feels cramped. It's like I have this big black line adding to the big THICK white window boarder of firefox followed by the "file" bar, adress bar, etc. It just feels bloated and annoying.


> Gnome 3's GUI seems annoyingly bloated, some of it is refined and nice, but most of it is just a pain to use due to how fat it is.

I mean, what the monkey is this?

http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=193240&stc=1&d=1306409683

did everyone suddenly get poor eyesight and need uber huge buttons and text? when you compare it to windows, window's interface is awesomely compact. it just feels right to use and that why I like it. gnome just feels pudgy and fat. It's like they expect the buttons and bars to be a "cool feature" of the new look. It's not a feature, its just a button there to use for functionality, I never stop and just stare at my windows and admire how beautiful the close button is, but at least now I cant miss it.

Gnome 3 need to make their window borders the same size as their black menu bar, that way it wont take up unnecessary amounts of space.

> Desktop interfaces need to look cool yes, but they also need to be sharp and refined. I (like most people) look at linux from an "out of the box" type perspective. I love linux, I love the idea, how it works, all the little things that make it fun but I can never use it for longer then a few weeks before I just get fed up with how clunky it feels.

even compared to the previous gnome theme. I mean, check this out
http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=193246&stc=1&d=1306412151

> They need to provide us with some colour variety.

The truth is, I like the default gnome theme (aside from its obesity issue). I would love the ability to change the theme away from black though. Offer us appearance settings with the ability to use different colours of the default theme (and no, I will not wait for some semi-incomplete theme made by some random that looks alright and makes you say "oh that will do")

> The indicator applet needs to be a lot more customisable. I havent got any issues with it in gnome 3, but in classic gnome the buttons are space annoyingly far apart. Under default settings the applet bar is too huge, so this is what happens when I try to customise it. They end up looking like a bunch of bad teeth.

http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=193241&stc=1&d=1306411805

I have high hopes that linux will start taking over the PC market within the next few years. We just need useful applications running natively (dreamweaver, photoshop - libre office covers msoffice which is a good start)

Windows does it right because, even though it's a piece of ****. It's a well designed piece of **** that does what it's told.

> We need a window list, and dont tell me you can see it when you push the applications button. When I have calculator open behind my excel sheet, I dont want to wait to see the pretty animation to switch between windows. Sure there's alt-tab but I'm a mouse man and I have to use physical and mental effort to look down and initiate the alt-tab muscle reflex.

Plus when you have a window list, you can see what you have open at a glance, without needing to jump to that crazy applications interface




haha I've attached a picture of my current desktop (for the office) - the only thing that annoys me are the buttons on the bottom right corner. They are functional but horribly positioned and I cant do anything about it. It's a fresh install and the only customising i've done is install gnome 3, but honestly, even though it's ugly, I find this desktop environment more user friendly

Linux makes me feel autistic

TheSuperSteve
May 26th, 2011, 01:33 PM
I agree 100% with your post. That's the reason why i went back to Ubuntu 11.04 right after testing Fedora 15 for only a day. It was fancy and nice and all but the fat menubar and window panel thing was just unnecessarily "fat" as you put it. Both should be merged into one.

That and the lack of a decent software center. I've only used Ubuntu based distros. XD

23dornot23d
May 26th, 2011, 02:31 PM
I have to admit the top bar of the open window is a little large ......

What I would like to see is something similar to the emerald theme here .....

I loaded it up and although it works in UNITY ... it does not work in Gnome-Shell ....


web8upd
Emerald needs Compiz (http://www.webupd8.org/2009/03/compiz-how-to-get-cube-and-mac-like.html) to run and you can control the window borders, look and feel. You can set effects to your window like glass, glow, fade, choose active buttons, their position on the window (like close, minimize, maximize, shade) etc.
Maybe someone has written some more code for this .... and I have not searched hard enough to find it yet ......

Will keep looking as its amazing how much work has already been done in the past couple of weeks for
customisation on Gnome-Shell ...... but as you say Window Borders are a bit Fat.

Your screen shot show it perfectly here ..... it needs a little refining ....

http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=193246&stc=1&d=1306412151


I did have a look around though and found this page >>> LINK (http://gnome-shell.deviantart.com/gallery/)

and changed mine like this ..... but you can use the Tron theme and have transparent too
which is quite nice ....

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7169/screenshot2wto.jpg

rg4w
May 26th, 2011, 03:34 PM
did everyone suddenly get poor eyesight and need uber huge buttons and text? when you compare it to windows, window's interface is awesomely compact. it just feels right to use and that why I like it. gnome just feels pudgy and fat.

Thank you!

I thought I was the only one, that somehow I just didn't get it.

I've never been able to figure out why Gnome buttons are so ginormous compared to just about any other OS. It just takes away real estate from the user's data.

Sure, I know about Fitts' Law and the benefits of a larger target area, but there's a balance and maybe the entire rest of the world isn't wrong on this one.

Is there a bug report or Brainstorm for this?

23dornot23d
May 26th, 2011, 03:52 PM
You probably need the Gnome Shell Tweak (http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/gnome-tweak-tool-gets-option-to-switch.html) tool .....

I found there are a lot more window settings once you install this ...... in the screenshot above showing Gimp
too ..... this is changed using the tweak tool on the windows .....

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/5673/26479724.jpg

there are at least 18 styles in there now.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5822/closebutton.png

So maybe a bug report would not be needed .......

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1005/39499537.jpg

aphatak
May 26th, 2011, 05:26 PM
The complaint against fat title bars and huge buttons is right on the button. They take up space and do nothing for me while I am actually working in an application - yes, some people do work, rather than sit in front of their screens, staring and marveling at the abstract beauty ot the window borders and decorative buttons.

I would suggest everything but the contents of the application window be made to hide away out of sight - and out of my hair - while I am re-touching a photo, cutting ads out of a video recording, and editing clicks out of an audio file. The window title bar should stay out of sight until I hover over it.

23dornot23d
May 26th, 2011, 05:30 PM
The window title bar should stay out of sight until I hover over it.
I agree with this ...... so how do we make it happen .....

Will look to see where else this idea is used ...... LINK FOUND so FAR (http://jaket.is-a-geek.com/blog/linux/remove-titlebar-on-maximized-windows-with-compiz)

May be some code already written somewhere to do this. OLD and Not quite what we want (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/maximising-screen-space-in-ubuntu/)

aphatak
May 26th, 2011, 08:07 PM
I agree with this ...... so how do we make it happen .....

Will look to see where else this idea is used ...... LINK FOUND so FAR (http://jaket.is-a-geek.com/blog/linux/remove-titlebar-on-maximized-windows-with-compiz)

May be some code already written somewhere to do this. OLD and Not quite what we want (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/maximising-screen-space-in-ubuntu/)

@23dornot23d: You are a genius! That is exactly the right question to ask, thank you for asking it (I kicked myself for not thinking of it the moment I saw it). The first thing, obviously is to look if someone has already done it. I will look for it as well, and post whatever I find.

I could always add this to the Ubuntu brainstorm. However, I don't know if it will ever get taken up. And now that 23dornot23d has started me thinking, I might even take a whack at it myself!

UPDATE: Internet Explorer 8 in Windows XP does it. Hit F11 when it is running and the title bar and all the menu bars vanish. Hit F11 again and they re-appear.

galacticaboy
May 26th, 2011, 08:14 PM
Forget Gnome 3 (although I do like it, just can't run it), forget Unity, forget Unity 2D... lets all go to XFCE. It is awesome! I think it is the best of the *Buntu Children.