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sudoer541
May 22nd, 2011, 04:14 AM
I am planning to buy a netbook soon, but I dont know what netbook is best for me.

My requirements are:
LED screen
10 - 11 inch screen
1GB RAM or higher
9 Cell battery or a 6 cell battery that lasts for about 10 hours.
A good video card to view 1080p videos on Youtube
Wifi: 802.11 n
A good processor (most likely an AMD processor)
Price range: $ 300 - $420 Canadian


Here is a list of the netbooks am interested in:

Acer Aspire 10.1" Netbook featuring AMD Processor C-50 (AO522-BZ499) - Black (http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/acer-acer-aspire-10-1-netbook-featuring-amd-processor-c-50-ao522-bz499-black-ao522-bz499/10161870.aspx?path=b0e001c0749c2a838407ee8a0e4a01e 9en02)


Toshiba 10.1" Netbook featuring AMD C-30 Processor (NB555D-018) - Brown (http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/toshiba-toshiba-10-1-netbook-featuring-amd-c-30-processor-nb555d-018-brown-nb555d-018/10161734.aspx?path=1ace179c9c7cd3df7aed7d4d4f4cb76 0en02)


Samsung 10.1" Netbook featuring Intel Atom N455 Processor (N145) (http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/samsung-samsung-10-1-netbook-featuring-intel-atom-n455-processor-n145-n145/10161401.aspx?path=1e8447fea90adbe1fe325459085d767 fen02)


Samsung 10.1" Intel Atom N550 Netbook (NF210) - White (http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/samsung-samsung-10-1-intel-atom-n550-netbook-nf210-white-nf210/10161785.aspx?path=902909128e4485ecafa662d8f9f1df2 6en02)


Acer 10.1" Intel Atom N450 Netbook (AO532H-2806)

(http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/acer-acer-10-1-intel-atom-n450-netbook-ao532h-2806-english-ao532h-2806/10151101.aspx?path=d383ed541673c2e5324f657e82fa927 den02)
Note* You may be redirected to your local Best Buy or Futureshop store.
(http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/acer-acer-10-1-intel-atom-n450-netbook-ao532h-2806-english-ao532h-2806/10151101.aspx?path=d383ed541673c2e5324f657e82fa927 den02)

Thanks!

edit:
If you think I should go for another netbook that is not on the list (but meets my requirements), please indicate the brand and model number.

stephenjobs
May 22nd, 2011, 04:28 AM
Dell is perfect
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EWEZKQ/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=onlinesh041f6-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=B004EWEZKQ

sudoer541
May 22nd, 2011, 04:51 AM
Dell is perfect
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EWEZKQ/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=onlinesh041f6-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=B004EWEZKQ


Thanks, but I am looking for a netbook, not a laptop.
Please read my post above.
Thanks again! :P

Lucradia
May 22nd, 2011, 04:51 AM
To be honest, if you're justing using the thing to browse and do social stuff, I'd sooner see you better off getting an android tablet that's wifi only or an iPad 2.

My ASUS 1015PE is extremely energy efficient, even though it has no LED, but, the WiFi is extremely horrid, so I had to use the D-Link adapter that came with my router to have it accept anything in a good range. (Turning off the onboard WLAN turns off the USB WLAN too, which sucks.)

Most Netbooks have a subpar Intel video card. Mine can't render 1080p, ever.

FuturePilot
May 22nd, 2011, 04:55 AM
You should probably forget about 1080p videos. The Atom will choke to death on that.

Lucradia
May 22nd, 2011, 04:59 AM
You should probably forget about 1080p videos. The Atom will choke to death on that.

My battery is also rated at 8 hours, but can only go 6 hours on lowest brightness, idle.

NightwishFan
May 22nd, 2011, 05:02 AM
http://zareason.com/shop/Teo-Pro-Netbook.html?


Processor Intel® Atom™ N450 Processor, 1.66GHz
Chipset Intel® NM10 Express
Graphics & Video Module Intel® GMA 3150 (shared system memory)
Main Memory Up to 2GB DDR2 667MHz RAM
Display 10" Glossy WSVGA (1024 x 600)
LAN 10/100 LAN x 1
Wireless LAN WLAN 11b/g/n included
Webcam 1.3 mega pixels
Card Reader SD/MMC/MS supported
I/O Ports
• Monitor (VGA) : 15 pin D-Sub x 1
• USB 2.0 : 2
• MIC-in : 1
• Headphone out : 1
• LAN jack (RJ45) : 1
Audio
• Intel HD Audio
• Speakers: 2
• Internal Microphone x 1
Battery Pack High capacity 6400 mAh Li-Ion battery, up to 8 hours battery life
AC Adapter 19V DC, 40W/Input: 100~240V AC, 50/60Hz universal
Dimensions 10.5" x 6.5" x .75" / 26.8 x 16.5 x 1.9 cm
Weight 2.4 lbs.
Keyboard 93% of a regular keyboard for easy typing (key-to-key distance)

sudoer541
May 22nd, 2011, 05:04 AM
You should probably forget about 1080p videos. The Atom will choke to death on that.


What about AMD C30 or C50?
If none, then Ill be happy with 720p :D

FuturePilot
May 22nd, 2011, 05:13 AM
What about AMD C30 or C50?
If none, then Ill be happy with 720p :D

You won't get 720p either.

sudoer541
May 22nd, 2011, 05:57 AM
You won't get 720p either.

Thats weird, I thought AMD Radeon HD 6250 was able to render HD videos well.

wolfen69
May 22nd, 2011, 05:57 AM
I have the Acer 10.1 N450 you linked to. I can get 720p with it, but I added a Broadcom Crystal HD card.

NormanFLinux
May 22nd, 2011, 06:34 AM
Lenovo x120e with Fusion AMD e-350 dual core processor, 3 GB RAM, 11.6" inch screen with 350 GB hard drive. Price = $450 from Lenovo including wifii chipset and Bluetooth.

Paqman
May 22nd, 2011, 08:44 AM
A good video card to view 1080p videos on Youtube


Er, why? The screen resolution won't be that high. If you want a cheap machine to output high quality video to a TV or a monitor you'd be better off with a nettop, not a netbook.

nerdtron
May 22nd, 2011, 09:01 AM
MSI U230. The dual core AMD version. This is the one i'm using and can play 1080p videos.

newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152160&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Netbooks-_-MSI-_-34152160&AID=10440897&PID=3434971&SID=)

but the battery life isn't quite impressive given it's equipped with an AMD processor.

3rdalbum
May 22nd, 2011, 09:50 AM
MSI U230. The dual core AMD version. This is the one i'm using and can play 1080p videos.

Sorry, but I highly doubt this. ATI HD3200? Sure, it works on Linux, but you don't get any video playback acceleration. AMD/ATI graphics cards don't support video playback acceleration on Linux.

And to do all the video playback on the CPU requires a beefy CPU - my desktop Core 2 Duo 3 GHz could do 1080p without video acceleration, but I highly doubt an ultra-low-voltage mobile CPU from AMD could do it; it was enough of a strain on the Core 2.

To the OP: If you're really looking for a netbook that can do all this, get one with an Nvidia Ion chipset. It'll have a weak Intel Atom CPU, but will support VDPAU video playback acceleration with the Nvidia GPU. Buy one with a 3 cell or 6 cell battery, and invest some money over and above to get a big battery so you can have the battery life you want. Buy it from Hong Kong off eBay so it doesn't cost the earth. The aftermarket netbook batteries seem to be more reliable than the original batteries.

Johnsie
May 22nd, 2011, 10:03 AM
Do not buy a netbook without loooking at it first. Make sure the speakers and keyboard are ok. I bought a netbook without lookingat it first and was very disappointed because I could hardly hear the speakers. Since then all the ones I have bought have been alot better. The one withe the rubbish speakers was an MSI and I will never buy MSI again.

There is a big difference in the quality of netbooks. I'd recommend anything by Dell (they do netbooks too), HP, ASUS or Samsung.

I would avoid acer and MSI. Cheap junk that will break if you as much as look at them.

I have never had any problem with youtube videos on a netbook.

PhillyPhil
May 22nd, 2011, 10:05 AM
a good video card to view 1080p videos on youtube er, why? The screen resolution won't be that high. :) +1

frankbooth
May 22nd, 2011, 01:25 PM
I really recommend ASUS' EEE PC netbooks, they're fantastic!

Lightstar
May 22nd, 2011, 04:08 PM
I'm very happy with the two I own.

Asus eee pc 701
Very old, one of the first netbooks. 4gb ssd, tiny 7" screen.
I use this as my bedside computer to check emails, websites, chat, alarm clock. Flash video on youtube is a bit slow on this one.

Toshiba NB305
I love this thing, the keyboard is big, keys are separated. The screen is very clear and good colours. Toshiba included too many stuff on their windows system, so I had to clean it up a bit, but most of the time I'm on linux so it doesn't affect me. Some of those utilities are good though, like the HDD protection. (it puts the pin in a safe spot when there's too much movement/vibration)


Both netbooks have no problems with ubuntu, everything worked out of the box for me.

Lucradia
May 22nd, 2011, 04:21 PM
Thats weird, I thought AMD Radeon HD 6250 was able to render HD videos well.

Netbooks don't come with AMD / ATI Cards in the 4000+ Serials. Not around my region in the USA.

FuturePilot
May 22nd, 2011, 06:02 PM
Sorry, but I highly doubt this. ATI HD3200? Sure, it works on Linux, but you don't get any video playback acceleration. AMD/ATI graphics cards don't support video playback acceleration on Linux.

And to do all the video playback on the CPU requires a beefy CPU - my desktop Core 2 Duo 3 GHz could do 1080p without video acceleration, but I highly doubt an ultra-low-voltage mobile CPU from AMD could do it; it was enough of a strain on the Core 2.

To the OP: If you're really looking for a netbook that can do all this, get one with an Nvidia Ion chipset. It'll have a weak Intel Atom CPU, but will support VDPAU video playback acceleration with the Nvidia GPU. Buy one with a 3 cell or 6 cell battery, and invest some money over and above to get a big battery so you can have the battery life you want. Buy it from Hong Kong off eBay so it doesn't cost the earth. The aftermarket netbook batteries seem to be more reliable than the original batteries.

And on top of that, the Linux version of Flash does not support GPU acceleration anyway.

Ranko Kohime
May 22nd, 2011, 06:31 PM
A good video card to view 1080p videos on Youtube
No current netbook that I am aware of on the market will do this, regardless of video card. Youtube is flash-based, which is heavy on the processor, as well as the video card. Most netbooks come with Intel Atoms or AMD E-series, which at best are around 1.6GHz, dual core.

My 1.8GHz dual core Intel Mac would run over 100% CPU time just running the Flash plugin, on 720p videos (which contain less than half as many pixels as 1080p).

Additionally, without a 1080p screen, (which is strictly in the range of 15.6" and up at present) there'll be little benefit to watching a 1080p version over a 720p version.

wolfen69
May 22nd, 2011, 10:14 PM
I don't think resolution on such a small screen is a big deal anyway.

sudoer541
May 23rd, 2011, 03:07 AM
Here is a crucial question. Once I buy a netbook, should I charge the battery before using it? Or I can start using it right away?
I want to keep my battery as healthy as possible! :)
I dont mind if a netbook cant handle a 1080p video, I can still watch videos in 720p or 480p.

wolfen69
May 23rd, 2011, 03:18 AM
[SIZE=2]Once I buy a netbook, should I charge the battery before using it?

It won't hurt to charge it.

Lucradia
May 23rd, 2011, 08:13 AM
Here is a crucial question. Once I buy a netbook, should I charge the battery before using it? Or I can start using it right away?
I want to keep my battery as healthy as possible! :)
I dont mind if a netbook cant handle a 1080p video, I can still watch videos in 720p or 480p.


I wouldn't suggest 720p.

And yes, charge it, but don't discharge it. Contrary to popular belief, our batteries as of today don't usually require a full discharge. (And in fact, can damage the battery if you do this depending on the type.)

darkdawn
May 23rd, 2011, 09:40 AM
I don't see why use 1080p ?!! i have a monitor that is 1680x1050 res, so any video below this resolution will look blurry and any video above this will look sharp...(not that 720p wont look good, but i am trying to make a point:) ), so if your monitor supports 1024x600, i don't really see what 1080p will help you see?!! 480p is more than enough, just my 2 cents.

for me i like the lenovo x120e..seems nice and i think i always have a weak spot for thinkpads :D

Lucradia
May 23rd, 2011, 10:08 AM
I don't see why use 1080p ?!! i have a monitor that is 1680x1050 res, so any video below this resolution will look blurry and any video above this will look sharp...(not that 720p wont look good, but i am trying to make a point:) ), so if your monitor supports 1024x600, i don't really see what 1080p will help you see?!! 480p is more than enough, just my 2 cents.

for me i like the lenovo x120e..seems nice and i think i always have a weak spot for thinkpads :D

My monitor can support up to 1080p, but I have it at 1600x900, because I can't stand the small text in MMORPGs, lol.

tobbyhot
May 23rd, 2011, 10:45 AM
I m using Sony Vio and that is perfect for me yet and didn't faced any problem, apart from this Lenovo can be used.

retbak
May 23rd, 2011, 02:19 PM
Throwing in another recommendation for Asus eeepc. I've had mine for over a year now and it had been flawless. Ubuntu works well out of the box but may need a few tweaks to get full battery life. Averages around 7-8 hours on battery.

Peter09
May 23rd, 2011, 02:55 PM
Beware Samsung - my N150, and some others are distinctly incompatible with Linux at the moment. Obviously some variants will be all right - not my N150 though :-(

timZZ
May 23rd, 2011, 06:21 PM
At work I bought everyone hp net books (as we use to have a deal this company to supply machines)

My net book was ok ... Wouldn't do 1080p but meet with your other requirements.

I now have an iPad and works wonderfully doing 720p.

I would equally recommend android tablets as well.

Really depends on what else other then Internet and movies you will be doing with the device.

Tablet could easily fulfill your needs.

andrewabc
May 24th, 2011, 11:44 PM
If you can get e-350 amd netbook that would be best.

Make sure whatever you get has HDMI. (USB3+sata6.0 would be nice)

Also make sure you have access to HDD and RAM in case you want to upgrade.


No current netbook that I am aware of on the market will do this, regardless of video card. Youtube is flash-based, which is heavy on the processor, as well as the video card. Most netbooks come with Intel Atoms or AMD E-series, which at best are around 1.6GHz, dual core.

I thought e-350 amd could run 1080p (windows). At least that's what reviews said.

Review Toshiba NB550D (AMD Fusion) Netbook (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html)

To test this, we watched ‘Big Buck Bunny’ both locally and as a Flash video on YouTube. There were no problems at all with the local playback in 1080p (Full HD), with an average CPU load of 33%. Around 500 MB of the available 1 GB of RAM was used. The same video in 1080p (1920 x 1080 resolution, 1003 kbps) watched via YouTube was more demanding for the hardware. Playback was just about acceptable at 16 fps, but was a little sluggish in places. CPU usage climbed to 71% with about 600 MB of the RAM being used.
This was c-50. So it is possible, but on netbook mostly pointless as good 720p will look/sound just as good (without crippling netbook while watching it).

MoebusNet
May 26th, 2011, 03:17 PM
Whatever you buy, just a reminder: check for a restore CD.

My Acer Aspire One D255-2301 does not ship with a restore CD, but has a restore partition. If you have an external CD burner to plug in _before_ the first time you boot it up into Windows, you can burn a restore CD from the restore partition. Otherwise (I haven't tried this yet) you cannot burn a restore CD without restoring your netbook to factory configuration.

A restore CD from Acer is $20, so if you want to keep the ability to go back to the factory Windows configuration (to sell next year, give away etc.) check for that restore CD.

EDIT: I used Acer's recovery program to go back to factory default settings to create a Restore CD. When you do that though, it wants you to set up a user account, so it is not _exactly_ like the "factory default settings prior to first boot". Of course, I read that if you make _any_ changes to the Master Boot Record, you can no longer use Acer's recovery program but have to use a more involved process. If you overwrite the Recovery partition then want to go back to Windows - let's just say you will have difficulty. Don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself with a Google search.

matthewbpt
May 26th, 2011, 04:34 PM
I just got the AMD version of the Lenovo Thinkpad Edge 11, it's brilliant I highly recomend it. Much better performance than my old Atom based EeePC, and a really nice design, works flawlessly with me on Ubuntu 11.04, and the included Win 7 works pretty well too, with some nice Thinkpad extras.

charliebaker
May 26th, 2011, 04:42 PM
You should probably forget about 1080p videos. The Atom will choke to death on that.

Agree to this... atom processors are not really made for your requirement... go for a higher spec processor netbook... :)

matthewbpt
May 26th, 2011, 11:27 PM
Nvidia ION based netbooks can handle 1080p, 720p works perfectly on my AMD/Radeon based netbook using VAAPI, I haven't tried a 1080p video yet though. Nvidia ION based netbook should be able to handle 1080p flash videos via the VDPAU interface, so if that's what you're looking for get one of them. I believe Asus has a few, HP also has one, probably loads more but I don't know about them.

Lucradia
May 27th, 2011, 03:58 AM
If you want good battery life and 1080p support, I suggest a laptop with an LED Monitor and not an Atom processor :V and at least 2.3 GHz dual.

themarker0
May 27th, 2011, 04:12 AM
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_28_377&item_id=037558

If you really want a cool one, other then that, i don't think you can get fancier without paying tons more

Edit: If you need 1080p, why not just go for a small notebook? You can get them fairly cheap these days.

uRock
May 27th, 2011, 04:15 AM
Check this out. http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Asus

krapp
May 27th, 2011, 05:38 AM
I wouldn't suggest 720p.

And yes, charge it, but don't discharge it. Contrary to popular belief, our batteries as of today don't usually require a full discharge. (And in fact, can damage the battery if you do this depending on the type.)


I've been wondering about good battery habits for a while now. Know anywhere I can find more information?

Lisimelis
May 27th, 2011, 12:03 PM
I have the Acer and been a happy man since!!So...Acer for ubuntu from me!!!

medic2000
May 27th, 2011, 01:52 PM
What about Asus 1215N. It has dual GPU. Intel and Nvidia ION. And has HDMI(or DVI i cant remember) output and can do 1080p :) Also has 2 Atom Processors. But still in 11.04 it seems slow to me :(

Lucradia
May 27th, 2011, 03:40 PM
What about Asus 1215N. It has dual GPU. Intel and Nvidia ION. And has HDMI(or DVI i cant remember) output and can do 1080p :) Also has 2 Atom Processors. But still in 11.04 it seems slow to me :(

Outputting to HDMI at 1080p isn't the same as showing it on the native screen. Sometimes the external screen will render 1080p faster because it's not native, and requires the screen to scale, rather than the native.

@Battery thing: That really depends on the type of battery you have. See, some batteries don't require a regular discharge to the minimum 20% or so now, as battery life is no longer improved from these. Look around, do some research. I no longer discharge, because netbooks nowadays don't require it. Sometimes a lithium-ion battery will need regular discharge every year from one company, and from another, it won't need any at all.

Also note that NiMH Batteries do not suffer the memory issue that NiCd did, and do not require a discharge.

krapp
May 28th, 2011, 12:22 AM
Thanks Lucradia. The reason I ask is because somehow I managed to render a battery for an Asus laptop virtually useless (granted it's powering an i7, Radeon HD, etc.), and I just got a new EEE Pc, and wanted to make sure I do it right this time.

By the way, I'm writing now from a brand new Debian netinstall (installed from a USB thumb drive of course) on a brand new EEE PC 1015 PEM MU17. I haven't done much with it other than replace Windows 7 Starter. Wireless works out of the box, as does booting from GRUB, my main two concerns.

medic2000
May 29th, 2011, 10:31 PM
Outputting to HDMI at 1080p isn't the same as showing it on the native screen. Sometimes the external screen will render 1080p faster because it's not native, and requires the screen to scale, rather than the native.


No, it also shows it natively without any problem. Very smooth.

Lucradia
May 29th, 2011, 11:29 PM
No, it also shows it natively without any problem. Very smooth.

I have a 1015PE, and it sucks. :| But, I bought it because it was more energy-star compliant than the others.

matthewbpt
May 30th, 2011, 12:08 AM
I've been wondering about good battery habits for a while now. Know anywhere I can find more information?
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Maintenance

Some is thinkpad specific, but a lot of it applies to laptop batteries in general.

krapp
May 30th, 2011, 12:17 AM
Thanks for the link!