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philnice
May 24th, 2011, 10:15 PM
grubu: Yeah you do that. And you're very welcome. :P
satanselbow: Waiting also for your first impressions on fedora 15....

grubu
May 24th, 2011, 10:16 PM
Maybe but you can have a grubu'nto :)
but I think it would be no problem doing it your own just use uck (http://uck.sourceforge.net/),
and build a live iso with Gnome3 and your favourites, thats it.

Thanks Phil you earned a virtual kiss and some :popcorn:
Maybe that's why your name is philnice :)
All got back to work with the solution you posted.
Just repeating: (its now called GNOME instead of gnome-classic)


I found this posted by t.rei on "Gnome 3 PPA is getting ready" thread, and looks like it solved his problems after the update:


sudo service gdm stop
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get remove gnome-session
sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-shell
sudo apt-get install gnome-session
sudo service gdm start
Here is the link to the original thread:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...8#post10857338 (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10857338#post10857338)
Just don't forget, it's all about testing right now, and for the time being only fedora 15 seems to be able to provide a stable system using Gnome 3 but, until we have some feedback, this is also questionable.gnome-shell 3.0.1+git20110524 was replaced by
gnome-shell (3.0.1+git20110524.fdefb317-0~11.04~ricotz0) and
gnome-session (3.0.2-0ubuntu1~natty1) had been set up

What you will first see is the G3 login screen. And no new updates found at the moment.

philnice
May 24th, 2011, 10:34 PM
Grubu, glad to see it worked for you. You're welcome, and thanks for the additional info. :P

satanselbow
May 24th, 2011, 10:38 PM
satanselbow[/B]: Waiting also for your first impressions on fedora 15....

er... um... it's like ubuntu + Gnome3... :D

I came straight here so firefox works... will poke about tomorrow and let you all know ;)

philnice
May 24th, 2011, 10:46 PM
er... um... it's like ubuntu + Gnome3... :D

I came straight here so firefox works... will poke about tomorrow and let you all know ;)
Hmm.. To be honest i was expecting something more than that but, at least we could say that most of the problems aren't distro related and only depends on gnome 3.
Ok i'm rushing things here. Better wait until tomorrow... :P

grubu
May 24th, 2011, 10:47 PM
Is someone interested in having a mini-iso with just gnome3?
I am building it right now with http://www.ubuntu-mini-remix.org/ . (32bit)

Oops I saw that Fedora 15 final is already out http://fedoraproject.org/
so we could compare if there might be a difference.

philnice
May 24th, 2011, 10:59 PM
Is someone interested in having a mini-iso with just gnome3?
I am building it right now with http://www.ubuntu-mini-remix.org/ . (32bit)

Oops I saw that Fedora 15 final is already out http://fedoraproject.org/
so we could compare if there might be a difference.
Yeah as satanselbow stated already above, fedora 15 is out.
-Thanks for the offer, no iso's for me at the moment lol! :lolflag:

grubu
May 24th, 2011, 11:05 PM
Okay got his message wrong and was also impressed that it is already released.
Yes, as mentioned before it would be no problem building your own iso with g3
now so I think there is no need for it anymore.
But I would give a big thankyou and some :popcorn: also to cbowman57
who gave us the possibilty to try all these out.
Thanks cbowman.

philnice
May 24th, 2011, 11:13 PM
Okay got his message wrong and was also impressed that it is already released.
Yes, as mentioned before it would be no problem building your own iso with g3
now so I think there is no need for it anymore.
But I would give a big thankyou and some :popcorn: also to cbowman57
who gave us the possibilty to try all these out.
Thanks cbowman.
I wouldn't rest to fedora, it's too early i think. Also, and perhaps that's the main part, most of the users wouldn't consider of switching to another distro just to have gnome 3.
They want it on their ubuntu. :)

cbowman57
May 25th, 2011, 05:20 AM
Glad I have Clonezilla, everything I tried regarding today's updates broke G3 shell.

Might be my mishmash of PPA's but I've gone too far to change anything now on this system. I'll just hold out on the upgrade until this gets sorted out. :(

philnice
May 25th, 2011, 05:37 AM
Glad I have Clonezilla, everything I tried regarding today's updates broke G3 shell.

Might be my mishmash of PPA's but I've gone too far to change anything now on this system. I'll just hold out on the upgrade until this gets sorted out. :(
You should be happy for having cloned your system. And as i mentioned above, it is all about testing right now. But that's the funny thing with linux: You would never loose a hard disk because of the tools its got, but you can messup what's written in a partition so bad, that even god would raise his hands up....! :lolflag:

cbowman57
May 25th, 2011, 05:38 AM
:)

cbowman57
May 25th, 2011, 06:53 AM
Ok, don't know if time cured all ills, or if it was something else.

Make sure you have ppa:ricotz/testing in your repositories.
Go into synaptic and update ONLY gnome-shell from the ricotz ppa.
Then click on Mark all upgrades.
Apply.

That's the formula that just worked for me. It is possible that gnome3-team updated something today and it was just lucky timing, you guys can figure that one out.

cbowman57
May 25th, 2011, 08:19 AM
Updated gNatty Pack.

Most significant change is the addition of the weather extension. Slightly modified to coexist with all other extensions in the pack & eliminated the text, leaving only the icon & temp.

satanselbow
May 25th, 2011, 10:34 AM
If anyone is still suffering or struggling to recover after last nights update debarcle - follow the fix as listed above (and below)

**EDIT

Enable Gnome3-team & ricotz ppa

EDIT**

sudo service gdm stop
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get remove gnome-session
sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-shell
sudo apt-get install gnome-session
sudo service gdm start

Which should get you back into a "full" Gnome3 session BUT you might find your network is dead :(

http://i52.tinypic.com/ete2hk.jpg

To fix it back up in synaptic (I'd had enough terminal by that time...)

mark network-manager-gnome for complete removal and then you should find that network-manager is upgradeable so apply that.

You should find you now have network access and the properly skinned network indicator popup. **EDIT The "working" network-manager will pull from the ricotz ppa EDIT**

http://i52.tinypic.com/2hd1s01.jpg


:popcorn:

cbowman57
May 25th, 2011, 10:38 AM
Tried that method, didn't work for me. :(

Using the method a couple posts previous did. :)

satanselbow
May 25th, 2011, 10:50 AM
Tried that method, didn't work for me. :(

Using the method a couple posts previous did. :)

There's often a couple of fixes that come to light - and i've now joined you guys in ppa soup :popcorn:

Gonna run a few more tests of the minimal script now as not sure it will react or require any fixes to be put in place - may put it in as a function so there is a 1 click fix ;) Will see what I get on a fresh mini install - don't want the beast unleashed and leave a trail of broken systems :D

satanselbow
May 25th, 2011, 10:56 AM
The commands to fire up a Gnome3 Session have also changed with the latest round of updates so if you find yourself without an option on the greeter to log in to a full Gnome3 Shell Session but are confident your system if not broken you can create a .desktop file (filename not important) in /usr/share/xsessions with the following contents:



[Desktop Entry]
Name=GNOME 3 SHELL
Comment=This session logs you into GNOME
Exec=gnome-session
TryExec=gnome-shell
Icon=
Type=Application
X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=gnome-session-3.0
Name[en_GB]=GNOME 3 SHELL

cbowman57
May 25th, 2011, 10:57 AM
There's often a couple of fixes that come to light - and i've now joined you guys in ppa soup :popcorn:

Very true, many paths leading to the same place. I think I've got ppa's that a lot of people aren't using so my problems might be mine alone. :)

I just want people to continue using a system that for me works great.


Gonna run a few more tests of the minimal script now as not sure it will react or require any fixes to be put in place - may put it in as a function so there is a 1 click fix ;) Will see what I get on a fresh mini install - don't want the beast unleashed and leave a trail of broken systems :D

Can't wait, would really like to have a G3 shell only system. My attempts at removing things left a lot to be desired.

cbowman57
May 25th, 2011, 11:00 AM
The commands to fire up a Gnome3 Session have also changed with the latest round of updates so if you find yourself without an option on the greeter to log in to a full Gnome3 Shell Session but are confident your system if not broken you can create a .desktop file (filename not important) in /usr/share/xsessions with the following contents:



[Desktop Entry]
Name=GNOME 3 SHELL
Comment=This session logs you into GNOME
Exec=gnome-session
TryExec=gnome-shell
Icon=
Type=Application
X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=gnome-session-3.0
Name[en_GB]=GNOME 3 SHELL


Yeah, noticed that too, now my choice is simply Gnome, instead of the old Ubuntu GNOME Shell, or whatever it was. Thanks for the code.

cbowman57
May 25th, 2011, 12:59 PM
Well, since there is now an oneiric daily iso being built I decided to give it a try, as of today it's seriously broken. :)

That got me thinking, and when I'm a little sleep deprived that can be dangerous. What if I did a find & replace in my sources.list? So that's what I did, find natty, replace with oneiric, update & upgrade over top of gNatty. It's in the process of downloading now, should find out what will happen within the hour.

Wish me luck. :)

grubu
May 25th, 2011, 01:49 PM
Hello cbowman57,
i don't know if this might help you, but when building a new iso with Natty-11.04-desktop-i386-base
I just had to put in these two repositorys:


sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3

and adding

deb http://ubuntu.mirror.cambrium.nl/ubuntu/ maverick main universe

to the sources.list
more information on mesa-utils at:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/mesa-utils/download

After that, all upgrading and dist-upgrading went fine, but I have to reboot to check if
the iso is really working.

Good Luck with bringing it back.

cbowman57
May 25th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Well the experiment failed, as expected, but it was worth a try. :)

steigerjb
May 26th, 2011, 02:53 AM
Pardon if this question has been answered already. I have read this whole thread. What extensions are not compatible to be used at the same time?

cbowman57
May 26th, 2011, 06:23 AM
Pardon if this question has been answered already. I have read this whole thread. What extensions are not compatible to be used at the same time?

All of the extensions in the gNatty Pack are compatible now. There was a conflict with the weather extension & the applications menu, might have been one other but I can't remember right now. I think it was a case of two extensions trying to access the same panel space.

steigerjb
May 26th, 2011, 06:34 AM
All of the extensions in the gNatty Pack are compatible now. There was a conflict with the weather extension & the applications menu, might have been one other but I can't remember right now. I think it was a case of two extensions trying to access the same panel space.

Ok. Wonderful.

I didn't see the system monitor when I checked earlier. Also the Tron theme. Are you going to add those?

I went back to the beginning, you said post #64 mentions the gnatty pack. What post mentions what each extension does? There's a couple im not sure about.

cbowman57
May 26th, 2011, 06:41 AM
Ok. Wonderful.

I didn't see the system monitor when I checked earlier. Also the Tron theme. Are you going to add those?

I went back to the beginning, you said post #64 mentions the gnatty pack. What post mentions what each extension does? There's a couple im not sure about.

I haven't tried the system monitor, all the ones currently in the pack have been tested together. Try the system monitor & see how it goes, if you run into trouble with it I'll take a look & see what I can do.

I thought the extension name was explanatory enough. Which ones are you unsure of?

Probably wouldn't hurt to add a better description but I'll have to wait until I get the time, or someone volunteers to cover that.

I thought the Tron theme was in there, I'll have to take a look at that too. :) If you're in a hurry to get it in the mean time I'm pretty sure it's available on deviantart.com

cbowman57
May 26th, 2011, 07:15 AM
Updated gNatty Pack with additional themes, bringing the total to 12 that work with Themeselector extension.

steigerjb
May 26th, 2011, 05:46 PM
I thought the extension name was explanatory enough. Which ones are you unsure of?

http://i51.tinypic.com/535yjo.png

Looking through the pack...I'm guessing the alternate status is the one that changes the suspend to power off? The applications menu extension changes the word activities to applications? I know the panel favorites extension, it is like pinning launchers to the panel like in Gnome 2.x?

Im not sure what the others do.

steigerjb
May 26th, 2011, 05:48 PM
Look what I found: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/more-gnome-shell-extensions-mediaplayer.html

steigerjb
May 26th, 2011, 05:50 PM
Isn't there an extension where you can move the dock? And the search?

cbowman57
May 26th, 2011, 06:33 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/535yjo.png

Looking through the pack...I'm guessing the alternate status is the one that changes the suspend to power off? The applications menu extension changes the word activities to applications? I know the panel favorites extension, it is like pinning launchers to the panel like in Gnome 2.x?

Im not sure what the others do.

alternate-tab@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org = Changes alt-tab behavior for switching between apps (and I notice mine is broken when I just tried to use it)

alternative-status-menu@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org = Changes the suspend to poweroff in status menu

App@Indicator = Moves selected application indicators from message tray to top panel

Applications_Menu@rmy.pobox.com = Changes Activities to an application menu

kovtray@kov.eti.br = Locks the indicators i message tray (gets rid of that accordion effect)

noa11y@example.com = Removes the accessibility icon/menu from top panel

Panel_Favorites@rmy.pobox.com = Adds "favorites" icons to top panel

places@menu = Adds places menu to top panel

themeselector@fpmurphy.com = Finnbarr Murphy's theme selector extension

weather@venemo.net = Adds current weather & forecast to top panel

windowsNavigator@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org = "Allow keyboard selection of windows and workspaces in overlay mode", press the tab key in overlay mode and a number will appear, you can then use the keypad to select the active application

workspace-indicator@erick.red.gmail.com = Adds workspace switcher to top panel

gnome-shell-frippery-0.0.4.tgz = Collection of some extensions in their original form (just in case)

Important to note, I don't code, these extensions were contributed to the community by various authors & I just assembled them & try to keep them compatible. They should run on any distro.

Hope that helps clear some things up, I'm sure a lot of people have wondered what some of them do too. In most cases the description in the metadata.json is enough. As more extensions are released into the wild I expect even more compatibility issues will pop up, keep that in mind as you pick & choose.

:)

steigerjb
May 26th, 2011, 06:36 PM
alternate-tab@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org = Changes alt-tab behavior for switching between apps (and I notice mine is broken when I just tried to use it)

alternative-status-menu@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org = Changes the suspend to poweroff in status menu

App@Indicator = Moves selected application indicators from message tray to top panel

Applications_Menu@rmy.pobox.com = Changes Activities to an application menu

kovtray@kov.eti.br = Locks the indicators i message tray (gets rid of that accordion effect)

noa11y@example.com = Removes the accessibility icon/menu from top panel

Panel_Favorites@rmy.pobox.com = Adds "favorites" icons to top panel

places@menu = Adds places menu to top panel

themeselector@fpmurphy.com = Finnbarr Murphy's theme selector extension

weather@venemo.net = Adds current weather & forecast to top panel

windowsNavigator@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org = "Allow keyboard selection of windows and workspaces in overlay mode", press the tab key in overlay mode and a number will appear, you can then use the keypad to select the active application

workspace-indicator@erick.red.gmail.com = Adds workspace switcher to top panel

gnome-shell-frippery-0.0.4.tgz = Collection of some extensions in their original form (just in case)

Important to note, I don't code, these extensions were contributed to the community by various authors & I just assembled them & try to keep them compatible. They should run on any distro.

Hope that helps clear some things up, I'm sure a lot of people have wondered what some of them do too. In most cases the description in the metadata.json is enough. As more extensions are released into the wild I expect even more compatibility issues will pop up, keep that in mind as you pick & choose.

:)

Thanks, that's what I needed.

cbowman57
May 26th, 2011, 06:41 PM
Look what I found: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/more-gnome-shell-extensions-mediaplayer.html

Yes, have seen all but the mediaplayer extension, but Andrew is covering Gnome shell really well over at Webupd8. (I wonder if I can make it work with gmusicbrowser?)

The gNatty Pack isn't an attempt to have every extension known to man, it was merely a way to help gnew :) G3 shell users have a good experience from the start in the easiest way possible. With that in mind, I believe the little Gnatty live experiment has been successful.

Thanks for the link. :)

cbowman57
May 26th, 2011, 06:46 PM
Thanks, that's what I needed.

If you use the App@Indicator you have to edit the extension.js for the applications you use, it's really obvious how when you open it up.

Glad you gave me the kick in the butt to list a description.

Not certain about a search extension, murphy covers adding, changing, modifying the default search engines.

The original extension pack that was available via git has a dock extension, I must have inadvertently purged that here since I don't like to use it, but it works well & is easy enough to find.

Ichtyandr
May 26th, 2011, 09:16 PM
just tried your spin on live usb. I have nvidia card and it went really well.
I must say I am really impressed by gnome3-shell and its potential. its the most unique experience on desktop as of now, very futuristic

cbowman57
May 26th, 2011, 09:29 PM
just tried your spin on live usb. I have nvidia card and it went really well.
I must say I am really impressed by gnome3-shell and its potential. its the most unique experience on desktop as of now, very futuristic

Thank you Ichthyandr, other than the occasional pat on the back, feedback has been minimal.

Really glad it worked for you, those of us running Nvidia seem to be having the best luck. You can safely purge the fglrx drivers now if you feel like it. I tried to build in support for both Nvidia & ATI, but ATI is spotty to say the least. :)

BTW, besides the extensions that are available in the gNatty Pack, I included Synapse, for me that really rounds out the package.

cbowman57
May 26th, 2011, 09:49 PM
No one asked for this but Finnbar Murphy was kind enough to explain how to remove user name from the status menu the other day over on Webupd8. I'm including the snapshot explaining how to do it (every gnome-shell update breaks this so it has to be re-edited)

Well I asked for it, after adding the app indicator extension I wanted to reclaim space in the top panel, besides, I know who I am. :)

Oh, the thumbnail includes a typo, he meant statusMenu.js

Ichtyandr
May 26th, 2011, 10:45 PM
feedback has been minimal.

sorry, there is not much to tell really, I used a 32 bit version on live usb, and I have the GeForce 8400GS Card on my desktop. I had one error message when X was loading but then it loaded quickly and without issues, everything else worked otb which is usually the case with Ubuntu.
On my graphics gnome-3 subjectively works much faster than compiz.
And yes synapse is a great idea, it should really be adopted by all distros

cbowman57
May 26th, 2011, 10:56 PM
sorry, there is not much to tell really, I used a 32 bit version on live usb, and I have the GeForce 8400GS Card on my desktop. I had one error message when X was loading but then it loaded quickly and without issues, everything else worked otb which is usually the case with Ubuntu.
On my graphics gnome-3 subjectively works much faster than compiz.
And yes synapse is a great idea, it should really be adopted by all distros

Best kind of feedback. :)

Yes, the error message, I had to use lxdm because I just couldn't get gdm to act right. The 64-bit version used gdm and you have to jump through hoops to get past the login but it is solid after that inconvenience.

grubu
May 26th, 2011, 11:20 PM
Hello cbowman,
sorry I ran a little bit into trouble by building this iso, some is working and some is not.
Did you try to build a new iso these days? Are you normally using uck or do you prefer another solution?

As I was away last days a lot of updates happened to me. I just wanted to report that:


sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get uprade

#worked just fine and

sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

#gave me the update for seahorse.
So far so good.

cbowman57
May 26th, 2011, 11:26 PM
Hello cbowman,
sorry I ran a little bit into trouble by building this iso, some is working and some is not.
Did you try to build a new iso these days? Are you normally using uck or do you prefer another solution?

As I was away last days a lot of updates happened to me. I just wanted to report that:


sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get uprade

#worked just fine and

sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

#gave me the update for seahorse.
So far so good.

I've used both, I like either that or remastersys. Not sure I'm going to do it but I am considering cloning a copy of my current installation with remastersys, then see what I can do with UCK on it. But that's just a thought I'm having, hopefully it will pass. :)

grubu
May 26th, 2011, 11:36 PM
Thanks cbowman57, yes I think running remastersys would give me less trouble because
it works nice and always gave me back what was already running.
Also a big thank you for putting these nice altogether in your new:


Direct download gNatty Pack (Contains themes & extensions) (http://cid-32ec6e89f4aa803b.office.live.com/self.aspx/Linux/gNatty%20Pack.tar.gz) *Updated with additional themes 26 May 2011

I think remastersys is one of the best tips for new ubuntu'ers for getting the feeling of creating
their own personal distro, so anyone who is interested in doing that,
here is the link: http://geekconnection.org/remastersys/ubuntu.html
(http://geekconnection.org/remastersys/ubuntu.html)
As there are differences for building an iso I was told that the live-build would be one of the best
solutions for building a distro on debian http://live.debian.net/devel/live-build/
Does anyone know something about this project and how to handle it with ubuntu?

grubu
May 26th, 2011, 11:58 PM
Hey philnice, sorry for coming back to this so late but I do not want to leave this open.


I wouldn't rest to fedora, it's too early i think. Also, and perhaps that's the main part, most of the users wouldn't consider of switching to another distro just to have gnome 3.
They want it on their ubuntu.
So here is my state of view to that:
Totally agreeing in not resting at Fedora for just Gnome3, if G3 would be never
possible for ubuntu for some reason I would just use xfce or maybe another one.
My decision of staying at the ubuntu-project with the debian-core can not be
influenced by a desktop-solution, maybe I am to old for changing my distros just like
my socks. But as the Gnome3 team showed we don't have to mind at it already.

cbowman57
May 27th, 2011, 07:13 PM
Updated installation tips for installation as a result of updates after iso was created. Post #1

Please take a look & see if I left something important or helpful out.


..thanks

cbowman57
May 27th, 2011, 07:25 PM
Trying out fpmurphy's eureka extension, combines about 4-5 extensions into 1.

steigerjb
May 27th, 2011, 07:45 PM
Trying out fpmurphy's eureka extension, combines about 4-5 extensions into 1.

Cool.

philnice
May 27th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Hey philnice, sorry for coming back to this so late but I do not want to leave this open.
So here is my state of view to that:
Totally agreeing in not resting at Fedora for just Gnome3, if G3 would be never
possible for ubuntu for some reason I would just use xfce or maybe another one.
My decision of staying at the ubuntu-project with the debian-core can not be
influenced by a desktop-solution, maybe I am to old for changing my distros just like
my socks. But as the Gnome3 team showed we don't have to mind at it already.
...And sorry for replying back to you so late, also.
I will try fedora 15, just to see if i should have hopes for the gnome 3 to run on my crappy system smoothly.
If not, well, .... ;)

grubu
May 27th, 2011, 09:32 PM
Philnice, yes trying Fedora 15 should give you an overview what is possible with your hardware and G3.
Anyway if your system is crappy what about my system? At the moment I am running on a 1.6Mhz
underclocked Intel Core2Duo 4GB Ram and at Geforce 6600GT. Although my system to me seems
uncrappy maybe the most would feel crappy with it. G3 is working for me as it should at the moment and
I am not using too many extensions right now. By the way does someone of you know if Nvidia's
actual drivers could run @ 100hz in any resoultion?

Something else:
To me this information seem to be very essential and uselful so I wanted to mention what
mcduck answered in thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1756208



No need to remove or purge anything just because of that. :grin:

It's simple, actually: Selectign the "Classic Gnome"-session will load Gnome with Compiz as window manager (if your system is detected able to handle Compiz, just like in previous Ubuntu versions you get effects if your system can do them). On the other hand Unity is a Compiz plugin, and enabled by default (since it needs to be that way for the Unity desktop to work).

So all you need to do to get rid of Unity in Classic Gnome (with Compiz) is open CompizConfig Settings Manager and disable the Unity plugin.

(selecting "Ubuntu (no effects)" will load classic Gnome with Metacity as window manager. No Compiz, so no Unity no matter it the plugin is enabled or disabled in Compiz settings)

attackgecko
May 28th, 2011, 07:13 AM
I'm the creator and lead dev of UGR, and this is really cool. I've been trying to create a UGR LiveCD for some time. The UGR project has been using eBuild, a project by the elementaryOS project for building images. It's basically a collection of shell scripts that do the same thing as UCK, but allows us to run any commands on the system before it's imaged, like adding our PPAs, removing unity/ubuntu branding, setting defaults, etc. We have had problems getting the system to boot. I think I have fixed the problem, but have yet to try out my builds.

As far as shell extensions go, the UGR team is working on packaging them so they can be easily installed. Our system will automatically include the latest builds of the core shell extensions (the ones from GNOME proper), as well as a few others. We will be ready to start including community submissions in several weeks. The reason we are building are own packages (as opposed to using the pre-built ones floating around) is as such:

Most pre-built packages are built from fedora packages. These were never designed to work and are very messy. They are also not fully open source. Launchpad will not allow us to upload packages to our repo that are pre-built (they must be source)
Greater control and the latest updates
The ability to have extensions installed individually


We should combine our efforts in building UGR stuff. You can find ebuild here: https://launchpad.net/ugr-ebuild
I do have access to a large, global CDN server network that is willing to cache stuff :)

Thanks for your efforts on building a CD image!

philnice
May 28th, 2011, 08:00 AM
Wow that's great! Good to have you here with us. Well done charles!

cbowman57
May 28th, 2011, 08:56 AM
I'm the creator and lead dev of UGR, and this is really cool. I've been trying to create a UGR LiveCD for some time. The UGR project has been using eBuild, a project by the elementaryOS project for building images. It's basically a collection of shell scripts that do the same thing as UCK, but allows us to run any commands on the system before it's imaged, like adding our PPAs, removing unity/ubuntu branding, setting defaults, etc. We have had problems getting the system to boot. I think I have fixed the problem, but have yet to try out my builds.

As far as shell extensions go, the UGR team is working on packaging them so they can be easily installed. Our system will automatically include the latest builds of the core shell extensions (the ones from GNOME proper), as well as a few others. We will be ready to start including community submissions in several weeks. The reason we are building are own packages (as opposed to using the pre-built ones floating around) is as such:

Most pre-built packages are built from fedora packages. These were never designed to work and are very messy. They are also not fully open source. Launchpad will not allow us to upload packages to our repo that are pre-built (they must be source)
Greater control and the latest updates
The ability to have extensions installed individually


We should combine our efforts in building UGR stuff. You can find ebuild here: https://launchpad.net/ugr-ebuild
I do have access to a large, global CDN server network that is willing to cache stuff :)

Thanks for your efforts on building a CD image!

Glad to have you drop by. The intent here was to take what you & a couple others are doing & create a live image that people could get their feet wet with Gnome 3.0 without abandoning Ubuntu. trying to learn a new DE & distro just leaves too many wildcards, i.e. if the distro is difficult to learn it will affect the opinion of the DE.

Not sure exactly what can be contributed since I don't code but there are a few of us here that are definitely behind what you are doing. As for the extensions I've collected, and in some cases modified, are for maximum compatibility with Gnome shell on Ubuntu. I've been following Finn Murphy's blog quite closely, he uses Fedora but he's a java scripting wiz, and he's been helping me to debug & adapt some of his extensions, and offering tips for other modifications that I feel enhance the Gnome 3.0 experience.

We have become fairly good at the customer service & troubleshooting installation problems, little things like that.

I'll leave it at that for the moment but give some thought to what we can do within our limited scope & I think you can count on us for support.:)

nagisa
May 28th, 2011, 08:30 PM
Upload images for direct download somewhere else please. ge.tt for example. It doesn't require registration.

philnice
May 28th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Upload images for direct download somewhere else please. ge.tt for example. It doesn't require registration.
Just started uploading the i686 32 bit iso to ge.tt. It's gonna take a while.... :)

cbowman57
May 28th, 2011, 08:49 PM
Just started uploading the i686 32 bit iso to ge.tt. It's gonna take a while.... :)

Thanks buddy, when you have an active link I will update post #1.

I noticed that today's seeder/leecher ratio is pretty bad.

Of course some of that is to be expected, you download it, install it, and then no more seeding.

With transmission it's easy to relocate your transmission configuration to a new installation, simply copy ~/.config/transmission to your new home folder, point it to the correct location, verify data & seed. :)

nagisa
May 28th, 2011, 08:54 PM
By the way, will copying whole home directory from current Ubuntu 11.04 install do the trick?

cbowman57
May 28th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Something I do here since I typically have between 8-10 different linux installations is to share large folders as separate partitions, i.e. Downloads, Music, etc.. So when I do clonezilla partition image it's about 4-5Gb in size, takes me about 5 minutes to do a backup.

To do this I use bind. sudo into your /mnt folder & create the folders you want to bind, in my case Downloads, Music & a couple others. Then edit your /etc/fstab.

Here is an example:


# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier
# for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name
# devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
# / was on /dev/sda13 during installation
UUID=7c3eb107-2dda-4a6e-b73c-cc4b08c559ab / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
# swap was on /dev/sda11 during installation
UUID=627a978f-0796-4032-88c1-770ea5d1aaad none swap sw 0 0
/dev/disk/by-uuid/770a0a96-f8c0-44a8-8f58-1ade0323fdac /mnt/bind/Music btrfs rw,compress,noatime,nodiratime 0 0
/dev/disk/by-uuid/528d7ac7-4fc9-432a-9244-ae3433e498ae /mnt/bind/Maintenance ext4 rw,noatime,nodiratime 0 2
/dev/disk/by-uuid/be0bb7b2-943e-4206-9b03-fbfba602dd5a /mnt/bind/Downloads btrfs rw,compress,noatime,nodiratime 0 0
/mnt/bind/Music /home/chuck/Music none defaults,bind 0 0
/mnt/bind/Downloads /home/chuck/Downloads none defaults,bind 0 0
/mnt/bind/Maintenance /home/chuck/Maintenance none defaults,bind 0 0

I'm sure you can find good information on this here in the forums or google it. Anyway, it's a really handy way to keep things synced between installations and retain that native feel without worrying about permissions & bookmarking directories & partitions. Hope somebody finds this useful.

philnice
May 28th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Thanks buddy, when you have an active link I will update post #1.

I noticed that today's seeder/leecher ratio is pretty bad.

Of course some of that is to be expected, you download it, install it, and then no more seeding.

With transmission it's easy to relocate your transmission configuration to a new installation, simply copy ~/.config/transmission to your new home folder, point it to the correct location, verify data & seed. :)
Np chuck. :D -Thanks for the info about transmission cfg.
-I'll let you know when it's ready.

cbowman57
May 28th, 2011, 08:59 PM
By the way, will copying whole home directory from current Ubuntu 11.04 install do the trick?

It might, but could inherit some problems with it, not sure on that. I would recommend doing it selectively but if you try it let us know how it goes. It can save you an immense amount of setup time.

That being said, anything in 11.04 should plug right in to gNatty.

philnice
May 29th, 2011, 12:47 AM
Direct download gnatty Gnome i686 v1 Live.iso - New link:
http://ge.tt/8V4Umc4

cbowman57
May 29th, 2011, 09:54 AM
Direct download gnatty Gnome i686 v1 Live.iso - New link:
http://ge.tt/8V4Umc4

Thanks buddy, added it to post #1. :)

nagisa
May 29th, 2011, 10:34 AM
Things I noticed:
1. Mention, to not select "Update from xx.xx to 11.04", it doesn't work.
2. Some why I'm missing Turn Off and Restart buttons under status(by the way suspend is here)

And does anyone know, how to turn off that damn accessibility icon in top panel?

cbowman57
May 29th, 2011, 10:43 AM
Things I noticed:
1. Mention, to not select "Update from xx.xx to 11.04", it doesn't work.
2. Some why I'm missing Turn Off and Restart buttons under status(by the way suspend is here)

And does anyone know, how to turn off that damn accessibility icon in top panel?

I don't use the update feature, are you saying that I should make note of that in post #1?

You're not missing a turnoff/restart button, it doesn't display until you press the alt key.

There are extensions to remove the accessibility icon/menu, and one to have the power off in the status menu as well. Look for noally & alt-status, both are in the gNatty Pack.

nagisa
May 29th, 2011, 11:14 AM
About first - exactly that. For second - thanks, it saved me a lot of time :).

cbowman57
May 29th, 2011, 11:32 AM
About first - exactly that. For second - thanks, it saved me a lot of time :).

Cool, added a recommendation not to use it to update previous versions. Glad the extensions helped you out. :)

philnice
May 29th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Thanks buddy, added it to post #1. :)
You're welcome chuck - glad to see you removed the 4shared link, i was going to ask you to do so.
First page looks pretty solid now. Well done. :P

cbowman57
May 29th, 2011, 05:50 PM
You're welcome chuck - glad to see you removed the 4shared link, i was going to ask you to do so.
First page looks pretty solid now. Well done. :P

Yep, thanks a lot for putting that up there. Is there a way that it lets you see how many downloads there are? A little curious to know how much interest there is in it now that the torrent bottleneck has been eliminated.

BTW, if you, or anyone for that matter, sees a post with information worthy of being indexed let me know and I will continue to keep it updated. I think I've gone through the first 25 pages or so myself so far, but extra sets of eyes might find some gems I've missed.

cbowman57
May 29th, 2011, 05:56 PM
I've decided to freeze the gNatty Pack, barring any significant changes. It includes 12 working shell themes now and a good start on useful extensions.

Trying to keep the extensions synchronized for mass consumption has just become too time consuming and you are probably better off getting them from the sources. Fpmurphy's blog is a good place to track some good ones, & the pack from Ron Yorston is excellent.

Andrew over on Webupd8 is doing a good job of tracking the major additions.

philnice
May 29th, 2011, 05:58 PM
Yep, thanks a lot for putting that up there. Is there a way that it lets you see how many downloads there are? A little curious to know how much interest there is in it now that the torrent bottleneck has been eliminated.

BTW, if you, or anyone for that matter, sees a post with information worthy of being indexed let me know and I will continue to keep it updated. I think I've gone through the first 25 pages or so myself so far, but extra sets of eyes might find some gems I've missed.
There are 22 downloads so far. Pretty good. ;)
-I don't have that spare time right now to help indexing, perhaps somebody else from here could..?

cbowman57
May 29th, 2011, 06:09 PM
22 huh? Yeah, that is pretty good for only being up there about 12 or so hours.

What would really be nice is to get it indexed and find a website wizard to create a page with the index that would contain active links to the pages. :) The gauntlet is thrown, anyone up to the task? :lol:

philnice
May 29th, 2011, 07:21 PM
22 huh? Yeah, that is pretty good for only being up there about 12 or so hours.

What would really be nice is to get it indexed and find a website wizard to create a page with the index that would contain active links to the pages. :) The gauntlet is thrown, anyone up to the task? :lol:
Perhaps attackgecko could help with that. if not himself, definitely someone else from his team.

cbowman57
May 29th, 2011, 07:44 PM
Perhaps attackgecko could help with that. if not himself, definitely someone else from his team.

That isn't a bad idea, at least they might want to farm this thread for troubleshooting tips for the day they release their iso.

VanR
May 29th, 2011, 07:58 PM
Downloaded from the direct link. Burned the DVD and ran it live. After a couple of error screens about low graphics etc... it seemed to run fine off the DVD. Looks nice too. Good job guys. Thanks for all the hard work. Don't know if I'll install it quite yet or not as I'm partial to Zorin OS 4 at the moment, but I hope to buy a spare hard drive in the near future and may install it then. I for one really like Gnome 3.

cbowman57
May 29th, 2011, 08:39 PM
Downloaded from the direct link. Burned the DVD and ran it live. After a couple of error screens about low graphics etc... it seemed to run fine off the DVD. Looks nice too. Good job guys. Thanks for all the hard work. Don't know if I'll install it quite yet or not as I'm partial to Zorin OS 4 at the moment, but I hope to buy a spare hard drive in the near future and may install it then. I for one really like Gnome 3.

Glad it ran ok for you. Until Gnome 3.0 Zorin was one of my favorite spins too, I've still got it available in case I want to visit it. :)

VanR
May 29th, 2011, 10:55 PM
Well I'll probably wait for a usable 64 bit version. Or is there already one?

philnice
May 30th, 2011, 01:25 AM
Well I'll probably wait for a usable 64 bit version. Or is there already one?
There is a link for the 64 bit version torrent here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1754198
It may not run as good as the 32 bit if, i remember correctly.
cbowman57 knows better though.

VanR
May 30th, 2011, 03:19 AM
There is a link for the 64 bit version torrent here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1754198
It may not run as good as the 32 bit if, i remember correctly.
cbowman57 knows better though.

Yeah, I was thinking they were still working on that one though. I could be wrong. Maybe it will come together soon. Besides that I have no idea how to download torrent.

NormanFLinux
May 30th, 2011, 03:22 AM
You should have Deluge installed in Ubuntu or BitTorrent in Windows.

Download the BT file and double click it. The BT program window will open and download the torrent file.

VanR
May 30th, 2011, 04:55 AM
You should have Deluge installed in Ubuntu or BitTorrent in Windows.

Download the BT file and double click it. The BT program window will open and download the torrent file.

Does Transmission do the same? It tried to download it with Transmission, but I quit it. Didn't know what that was. !!!!

IanW
May 30th, 2011, 08:21 AM
Does Transmission do the same? It tried to download it with Transmission, but I quit it. Didn't know what that was. !!!!

Yes, Transmission is the default Ubuntu torrent client.

cbowman57
May 30th, 2011, 09:11 AM
Well I'll probably wait for a usable 64 bit version. Or is there already one?

It's virtually the same, it's good for installation, just a little trickier to get past the login because I stuck with gdm, but it's the same or better than the 32-bit.

corncob
May 30th, 2011, 01:54 PM
Its going well now .... its in Spain, Russia, Germany, Puerto Rico and Slovenkia now just hope
that everybody keeps it seeding for at least the time they took to download it ......
Small price to pay for all the work put in by Charles ...... great work .... ty ..... ;)

How do you guys and gals know where the connections are coming from? I'm using Transmission Bit Torrent Client, the one that comes with Ubuntu, and don't see where it says.

cbowman57
May 30th, 2011, 02:37 PM
How do you guys and gals know where the connections are coming from? I'm using Transmission Bit Torrent Client, the one that comes with Ubuntu, and don't see where it says.

It's hard telling corncob, he was probably using vuze, deluge or miro at the time. Transmission doesn't have that feature. :(

bulldog
May 30th, 2011, 05:50 PM
How do you guys and gals know where the connections are coming from? I'm using Transmission Bit Torrent Client, the one that comes with Ubuntu, and don't see where it says.


If you use Qbittorrent,you can see a flag from the country where the download is going to.

The 64bit version runs as smooth as it can be,the only thing is you need htop to stop GDM the first time before you can login.
After the install I didn't had any problem at all.
I have to say,I did disable the ricotz ppa,and there was no problem at all,yesterday I did enable the ricotz ppa,to get the 'new' network manager,and the nice pink lines appeared again in some themes.
So it had something to do with the ricotz ppa,because when I used only the gnome3 ppa,the themes looked as they should be.
Further more when I log in to the Shell there is a notice that there should be a problem with the system,but I can't find anything wrong with it,so I ignore that one.:)

cbowman57
May 30th, 2011, 06:01 PM
If you use Qbittorrent,you can see a flag from the country where the download is going to.

The 64bit version runs as smooth as it can be,the only thing is you need htop to stop GDM the first time before you can login.
After the install I didn't had any problem at all.
I have to say,I did disable the ricotz ppa,and there was no problem at all,yesterday I did enable the ricotz ppa,to get the 'new' network manager,and the nice pink lines appeared again in some themes.
So it had something to do with the ricotz ppa,because when I used only the gnome3 ppa,the themes looked as they should be.
Further more when I log in to the Shell there is a notice that there should be a problem with the system,but I can't find anything wrong with it,so I ignore that one.:)

It gives you that warning notice every time you login? Or just when you boot the live image?

Thanks for the info on the ricotz ppa. Did you just turn off that ppa, or did you also force a downgrade to get rid of your pink lines?

I'm thinking about doing a respin on both of them but only if I can make some improvements. I just remastered a 32-bit version that I'm pretty happy with, seems they fixed a gdm problem so a live boot seems a little cleaner.

bulldog
May 30th, 2011, 08:10 PM
It gives you that warning notice every time you login? Or just when you boot the live image?

Thanks for the info on the ricotz ppa. Did you just turn off that ppa, or did you also force a downgrade to get rid of your pink lines?

I'm thinking about doing a respin on both of them but only if I can make some improvements. I just remastered a 32-bit version that I'm pretty happy with, seems they fixed a gdm problem so a live boot seems a little cleaner.

This was the second time I installed the 64bit version.
The first time I had the ricotz ppa enabled from the start,and the pink lines where there pretty soon.
I killed this install when I forced to install the new network manager,I didn't have a internet connection anymore,so I did the second install,and before I updated anything,I disabled the ricotz ppa,to avoid problems with my network manager.

The second install was great with only the gnome3 ppa enabled,no pink lines,no system warnings whatsoever,but I couldn't resist and enabled the ricotz ppa and updated en forced the network manager to install.
This worked perfectly,but after the restart I noticed the pink lines again,and I'm sure they weren't there before.
Also the system warning turned up again,had this with the first install too,but there seems nothing wrong,so I ignore it.

FYI,there is NO system warning when I run the live-ISO [USB] but this turned up AFTER you enable the ricotz ppa and run the update manager.

The 64bit needs only the repair of the GDM,the rest is working great as far as I can see it.
And the solution from 23dornot23d,install htop and with sudo htop kill the GDM line,you can login and install,you only need to know this,that's all.

cbowman57
May 31st, 2011, 04:37 AM
This was the second time I installed the 64bit version.
The first time I had the ricotz ppa enabled from the start,and the pink lines where there pretty soon.
I killed this install when I forced to install the new network manager,I didn't have a internet connection anymore,so I did the second install,and before I updated anything,I disabled the ricotz ppa,to avoid problems with my network manager.

The second install was great with only the gnome3 ppa enabled,no pink lines,no system warnings whatsoever,but I couldn't resist and enabled the ricotz ppa and updated en forced the network manager to install.
This worked perfectly,but after the restart I noticed the pink lines again,and I'm sure they weren't there before.
Also the system warning turned up again,had this with the first install too,but there seems nothing wrong,so I ignore it.

FYI,there is NO system warning when I run the live-ISO [USB] but this turned up AFTER you enable the ricotz ppa and run the update manager.

The 64bit needs only the repair of the GDM,the rest is working great as far as I can see it.
And the solution from 23dornot23d,install htop and with sudo htop kill the GDM line,you can login and install,you only need to know this,that's all.

Thanks bulldog, I played with ppa:ricotz some today, it seems that my system is way past the point I can remove it & still remain functional, I'll just have to wait until he gets that pink outline problem sorted out. I ended up doing some editing on my themes today, hacked the snot out of Adwaita to get something close to what I want, plus if I do a respin I'd like it to be a little unique, will take some time & thought on my part but I do see where I can make some improvements. I've been forced to rely on Remastersys for the next one I think, UCK doesn't seem to want to recognize this as Ubuntu anymore, or it just doesn't want to run in gnome shell, not certain which it is. I've stripped out unity, ubuntuone (does anybody really use it?) Replaced empathy with pidgin, just trimming where I can. My assumption is that if somebody is really interested in gNatty they have some experience with Ubuntu and are capable of adding & subtracting software themselves.

So anyway, this is what my gnome shell desktop looks like tonight. I'm reasonably happy with what I did with the appearance of the gtk2 apps.

philnice
May 31st, 2011, 05:44 AM
Looks nice chuck. ;)
Oh. You could also replace transmission with qbittorrent.

cbowman57
May 31st, 2011, 06:03 AM
Looks nice chuck. ;)
Oh. You could also replace transmission with qbittorrent.

I haven't looked at qbittorent in years, I guess I need to install it & see how it looks & functions with gnome shell.

I'm finding some quirks with remastersys that's driving me a little crazy right now but one just completed, gonna burn it to USB and see what it does. :)

cbowman57
May 31st, 2011, 10:46 AM
Found out how to get auto login back, force a downgrade to the previous gdm version.

Still no system sounds though.

Oneiric has both working system sounds & auto login.

Should v2 be based on oneiric?

philnice
May 31st, 2011, 03:46 PM
Found out how to get auto login back, force a downgrade to the previous gdm version.

Still no system sounds though.

Oneiric has both working system sounds & auto login.

Should v2 be based on oneiric?
Have you tried to create another user profile to see if it would fix the sound problem?
-Since i don't use oneiric, my only concern would be, if it's stable enough to depend on it.

bulldog
May 31st, 2011, 05:31 PM
It depends on what you can do,I for one,am very happy with v1,but if you add something extra,I would love to try it out.

As stated before,the only drawback is the GDM,but if you know how to get around this,there's no problem.
Theme's are working and if someone would have more themes,he or she can just install them.
Extensions is another matter,I don't use many of them,but someone else may like them a lot.

But if you have the time to spare,and you feel like it,go ahead,if you make this public for download,I for sure will try it out.

For now,I would thank you very much for the time you put into this,and if v2 could have the very nice dark theme you have,it would be very much appreciated.

cbowman57
May 31st, 2011, 07:11 PM
Have you tried to create another user profile to see if it would fix the sound problem?
-Since i don't use oneiric, my only concern would be, if it's stable enough to depend on it.

No I haven't, I don't use system sounds so it's not a big deal to me, just noticed that it works in oneiric.

The stability concerns, I had to add a couple ppa's to make gnome shell fully functional, and it's a little behind the shell we're using now. I installed it, tweaked it, did some customizing in about an hour last night, it worked well but the next upgrade made it unbootable. :) I think we'll rule oneiric out for a respin for right now. :)

cbowman57
May 31st, 2011, 07:20 PM
It depends on what you can do,I for one,am very happy with v1,but if you add something extra,I would love to try it out.

As stated before,the only drawback is the GDM,but if you know how to get around this,there's no problem.
Theme's are working and if someone would have more themes,he or she can just install them.
Extensions is another matter,I don't use many of them,but someone else may like them a lot.

But if you have the time to spare,and you feel like it,go ahead,if you make this public for download,I for sure will try it out.

For now,I would thank you very much for the time you put into this,and if v2 could have the very nice dark theme you have,it would be very much appreciated.

Thanks bulldog, yeah I'm working on making a dark themed version by default. Since I'm modifying Adwaita I think I can get one that will almost install that way. I'm using a modified version of Atolm for the shell theme, not certain how to make that default yet, it should be possible to do it without the need for user-theme-extension or theme-selector support though. I'm still in the experimental stages with that.

I did downgrade my gdm, it works great & now I have auto login again but you have to lock it with synaptic or aptitude or every update tries to go back to v3.0.

Never messed with aptitude much before, thanks to 23dornot23d, I've been learning my way around it and like it quite a bit over apt-get. Where's he been hiding anyway? :)

cecilpierce
May 31st, 2011, 07:23 PM
I have 3 Oneiric's all updated the same...I think:confused: and only 1 has all the sounds, Ive tried alot of tips and nuttin works, so the hell with it !

If I wana hear sound i guess i will have to use the one that works...for now any way :P

aeronutt
May 31st, 2011, 08:06 PM
Somewhere in a recent update of either Gnome3 or Ubuntu, I've lost the ability to persistently turn off Bluetooth. Oddly, it's disabled in 'startup applications', but still starts in the gnome session.

Any ideas?

cbowman57
May 31st, 2011, 08:19 PM
Somewhere in a recent update of either Gnome3 or Ubuntu, I've lost the ability to persistently turn off Bluetooth. Oddly, it's disabled in 'startup applications', but still starts in the gnome session.

Any ideas?

Don't know if this is of any help but since I don't have any bluetooth devices I always download rcconf & turn off the service. If you need to be able to switch back & forth I don't know if that would work for you.

I also notice that there is a bluetooth-applet.desktop located in /etc/xdg/autostart , you might have to edit it & change the start up value to false. Haven't looked inside it, just making the assumption that it's constructed like every other autostart desktop file.

23dornot23d
May 31st, 2011, 09:07 PM
Never messed with aptitude much before, thanks to 23dornot23d, I've been learning my way around it and like it quite a bit over apt-get. Where's he been hiding anyway? :smile:
Still watching in on this thread ..... but I cannot add a lot to the party yet ......

( also had another look at Fedora ......
also loaded Knoppix up and tried building Gnome-Shell on it using jhbuild .... no success .... yet )

I know very little about java .... but have downloaded Netbeans and Eclipse and am trying to figure some things out
still looking for (looking glass) ..... but the only thing I find is the 3D desktop and cannot get it to download from anywhere ...... !!!
LG3D is this what you mean when you talk about it ..... or is it a debug tool .... ?

But love the direction this is going in .....
( I was quite looking forward to a oneiric release of this )

I must admit aptitude is the only package manager that I really do trust to keep my system up to date and do my upgrades with ........

cbowman57
May 31st, 2011, 09:41 PM
Still watching in on this thread ..... but I cannot add a lot to the party yet ......

( also had another look at Fedora ......
also loaded Knoppix up and tried building Gnome-Shell on it using jhbuild .... no success .... yet )

I know very little about java .... but have downloaded Netbeans and Eclipse and am trying to figure some things out
still looking for (looking glass) ..... but the only thing I find is the 3D desktop and cannot get it to download from anywhere ...... !!!
LG3D is this what you mean when you talk about it ..... or is it a debug tool .... ?

Yeah, just the shell debug tool, alt+f2, lg


But love the direction this is going in .....
( I was quite looking forward to a oneiric release of this )

The funny thing is that gnome shell is stable, it's the oneiric part that seems to be causing the problems. I thought I'd revived my oneiric today, got past busybox and got it to do another update but now it doesn't want to recognize the mouse or keyboard. I can get the mouse back by unplugging it but the keyboard is just dead. I'd do another update later but can't get to the recovery menu. Using oneiric is what got me to force the gdm downgrade though. I'll see how it goes and revisit an oneiric spin when things stabilize a bit more I think.


I must admit aptitude is the only package manager that I really do trust to keep my system up to date and do my upgrades with ........

Yeah, I'm really liking aptitude, at least I can figure out how to lock a file & can do upgrades from the command line again.

Glad you're still monitoring the thread. :)

bulldog
May 31st, 2011, 09:45 PM
Still watching in on this thread ..... but I cannot add a lot to the party yet ......

( also had another look at Fedora ......
also loaded Knoppix up and tried building Gnome-Shell on it using jhbuild .... no success .... yet )

I know very little about java .... but have downloaded Netbeans and Eclipse and am trying to figure some things out
still looking for (looking glass) ..... but the only thing I find is the 3D desktop and cannot get it to download from anywhere ...... !!!
LG3D is this what you mean when you talk about it ..... or is it a debug tool .... ?

But love the direction this is going in .....
( I was quite looking forward to a oneiric release of this )

I must admit aptitude is the only package manager that I really do trust to keep my system up to date and do my upgrades with ........

Hi 23dornot23d,
Good to have you back.
Looking Glass you can find in GS3 by pressing ALT-F2 and type lg.
It's in every gnome-shell and indeed,you can debug extensions and maybe much more.
Had a quick look at it once,but have no use to it because I am not a programmer or a developer.
But maybe it's of some use to you.
If I misunderstood what you mean with Looking Glass,never mind :p

23dornot23d
May 31st, 2011, 10:09 PM
ok got it it now thank you ...... ;) ..... ( thanks for the nice comments too .... )

Looking Glass (http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/LookingGlass)


Last full update .... safe-upgrade


keith@keith-laptop:~$ su
Password:
root@keith-laptop:/home/keith# aptitude update
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty InRelease
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates InRelease
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security InRelease
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty InRelease
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty InRelease
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty InRelease
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty Release.gpg
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security Release.gpg
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty InRelease
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty InRelease
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release.gpg
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates Release.gpg
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security Release
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release.gpg
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release.gpg
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release.gpg
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty Release
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release.gpg
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates Release
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/main Sources
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/main Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/restricted Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/universe Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/multiverse Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/main i386 Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/restricted i386 Packages
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/restricted Sources
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/universe Sources
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/multiverse Sources
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/main i386 Packages
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/restricted i386 Packages
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/universe i386 Packages
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/multiverse i386 Packages
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/main TranslationIndex
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/multiverse TranslationIndex
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/restricted TranslationIndex
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/universe i386 Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/multiverse i386 Packages
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/main TranslationIndex
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/multiverse TranslationIndex
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/restricted TranslationIndex
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main i386 Packages
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main TranslationIndex
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main i386 Packages
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main TranslationIndex
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/universe TranslationIndex
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/main Sources
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/restricted Sources
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/universe Sources
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/multiverse Sources
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/universe TranslationIndex
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main i386 Packages
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main TranslationIndex
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main i386 Packages
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main TranslationIndex
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources
Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main i386 Packages
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main TranslationIndex
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/main i386 Packages
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/restricted i386 Packages
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/universe i386 Packages
Hit http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/multiverse i386 Packages
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/main TranslationIndex
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/multiverse TranslationIndex
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/restricted TranslationIndex
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/universe TranslationIndex
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Translation-en
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Translation-en
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Translation-en
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Translation-en
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Translation-en
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/main Translation-en
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/multiverse Translation-en_US
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/multiverse Translation-en
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/restricted Translation-en_US
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/restricted Translation-en
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/universe Translation-en_US
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security/universe Translation-en
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/main Translation-en
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/multiverse Translation-en_US
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/multiverse Translation-en
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/restricted Translation-en_US
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/restricted Translation-en
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/universe Translation-en_US
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty/universe Translation-en
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/main Translation-en
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/multiverse Translation-en_US
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/multiverse Translation-en
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/restricted Translation-en_US
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/restricted Translation-en
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/universe Translation-en_US
Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/universe Translation-en

root@keith-laptop:/home/keith# aptitude safe-upgrade
Resolving dependencies...
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.

root@keith-laptop:/home/keith#

aeronutt
June 1st, 2011, 01:04 AM
Don't know if this is of any help but since I don't have any bluetooth devices I always download rcconf & turn off the service. If you need to be able to switch back & forth I don't know if that would work for you.

I also notice that there is a bluetooth-applet.desktop located in /etc/xdg/autostart , you might have to edit it & change the start up value to false. Haven't looked inside it, just making the assumption that it's constructed like every other autostart desktop file.

Thanks Cbowman, odd...but I disabled it using rcconf, and it's still running even after reboot. And rcconf shows it as off!!

It's as if gnome3 is starting as a window service, or something.

Any other ideas?

cecilpierce
June 1st, 2011, 03:14 AM
Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugnometeam/gnome3/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found

Why do I get this in synaptic?

philnice
June 1st, 2011, 05:17 AM
Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugnometeam/gnome3/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found

Why do I get this in synaptic?
Simply because the link is dead. You could pick another server and try again.

cbowman57
June 1st, 2011, 06:43 AM
Thanks Cbowman, odd...but I disabled it using rcconf, and it's still running even after reboot. And rcconf shows it as off!!

It's as if gnome3 is starting as a window service, or something.

Any other ideas?

If you pull up system monitor what shows up when you view all processes with dependencies checked?

I'm wondering if your bluetooth is being auto-detected and activating on it's own?

cbowman57
June 1st, 2011, 06:51 AM
Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugnometeam/gnome3/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found

Why do I get this in synaptic?

That ppa no longer exists or has been renamed. The active ones now are ubuntugnometeam/ppa-gen & ubuntugnometeam/dev

If you also use ricotz his are now testing, staging & unstable

Hope that helps.

cbowman57
June 1st, 2011, 08:50 AM
If anybody out there would find having an additional activities hotspot in the upper right corner handy you need to check out Mr. fpmurphy's blog (http://blog.fpmurphy.com/) and extensions (http://www.fpmurphy.com/gnome-shell-extensions/).

I'm finding it extremely useful.

bmbaker
June 1st, 2011, 09:05 AM
That ppa no longer exists or has been renamed. The active ones now are ubuntugnometeam/ppa-gen & ubuntugnometeam/dev

If you also use ricotz his are now testing, staging & unstable

Hope that helps.
I disabled the staging ppa a while ago as the natty packages were all moved to testing or gnome3 ppa's :-)

cbowman57
June 1st, 2011, 09:32 AM
I disabled the staging ppa a while ago as the natty packages were all moved to testing or gnome3 ppa's :-)

I'm not so certain about that but if everything is running good for you as-is who am I to argue. :)

ricotz
June 1st, 2011, 12:29 PM
That ppa no longer exists or has been renamed. The active ones now are ubuntugnometeam/ppa-gen & ubuntugnometeam/dev

If you also use ricotz his are now testing, staging & unstable

Hope that helps.

Please don't suggest using ppa:ricotz/staging without a *serious* warning.
Thanks
PS: Nice work helping people to solve installation problems here.

cecilpierce
June 1st, 2011, 01:59 PM
If anybody out there would find having an additional activities hotspot in the upper right corner handy you need to check out Mr. fpmurphy's blog (http://blog.fpmurphy.com/) and extensions (http://www.fpmurphy.com/gnome-shell-extensions/).

I'm finding it extremely useful.

Chuck how do I install any of those gnome shell extensions, im bumfuzzeled and :confused:

bulldog
June 1st, 2011, 05:37 PM
Chuck how do I install any of those gnome shell extensions, im bumfuzzeled and :confused:

There's a README file in the tar.

Installation:
-------------

Copy the tarball to $HOME/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions
and unpack it. A directory called righthotcorner@fpmurphy.com
should be created.

Restart your GNOME shell (Alt-F2 r is one way) and you should
have an extra hot corner at the upper right of your monitor.
Move your mouse there and test the hot corner.

If the extension does not install, check the version number in
metadate.json. You may have to change it to work with your
particular version of the GNOME Shell. If this does not fix
the problem, use Looking Glass (Alt-F2 lg) to see what the
error message is.

I had to change the version to 3.0.1 but synaptics list 3.0.2,however the right hot corner works.

aeronutt
June 1st, 2011, 05:38 PM
.......
PS: Nice work helping people to solve installation problems here.

Absolutely yes, thanks !!

aeronutt
June 1st, 2011, 06:31 PM
If you pull up system monitor what shows up when you view all processes with dependencies checked?

I'm wondering if your bluetooth is being auto-detected and activating on it's own?

Well now this is odd, system monitor shows no bluetooth processes, and neither does 'ps axu | grep -i blue'.

cbowman57
June 1st, 2011, 07:56 PM
Please don't suggest using ppa:ricotz/staging without a *serious* warning.
Thanks
PS: Nice work helping people to solve installation problems here.

No better warning than yours. :)

Nice to see you popping in.

cbowman57
June 1st, 2011, 08:04 PM
There's a README file in the tar.

Installation:
-------------

Copy the tarball to $HOME/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions
and unpack it. A directory called righthotcorner@fpmurphy.com
should be created.

Restart your GNOME shell (Alt-F2 r is one way) and you should
have an extra hot corner at the upper right of your monitor.
Move your mouse there and test the hot corner.

If the extension does not install, check the version number in
metadate.json. You may have to change it to work with your
particular version of the GNOME Shell. If this does not fix
the problem, use Looking Glass (Alt-F2 lg) to see what the
error message is.

I had to change the version to 3.0.1 but synaptics list 3.0.2,however the right hot corner works.

An FYI, I modified lines 39 & 40 of the extension.js to increase the size of the hotspot. Due to cursor size and natural motion I thought it was a little tough to stick that upper right corner so I did this:


this._corner = new Clutter.Rectangle({ width: 3,
height: 3,

I emailed fpmurphy about it, I think it improves usability. Not sure if he'll adjust his extension or not but some of you might find this minor edit useful.

The original value was 1, which is probably exactly what it is in the left side built into the shell.

cbowman57
June 1st, 2011, 08:06 PM
Well now this is odd, system monitor shows no bluetooth processes, and neither does 'ps axu | grep -i blue'.

So it's really just an icon display thing?

cecilpierce
June 1st, 2011, 11:01 PM
any one else get this and how to fix it ?
maybe that why my extensions don't work ???

aeronutt
June 1st, 2011, 11:06 PM
So it's really just an icon display thing?

I was thinking it might be exactly that. But, using the icon, it does allow me to turn it on and off....not sure how I'd know if it was actually turning hardware on/off...hmmmm...let me see.

By the way, here's a pic of the icon pull down.

http://i.imgur.com/PHyIX.png

attackgecko
June 1st, 2011, 11:39 PM
That ppa no longer exists or has been renamed. The active ones now are ubuntugnometeam/ppa-gen & ubuntugnometeam/dev

If you also use ricotz his are now testing, staging & unstable

Hope that helps.

Our UGR GNOME 3 PPA was just a copy of the GNOME 3 teams. We moved to their repo, ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3

So to recap, the UGR repos are:
ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 and ppa:ubuntugnometeam/ppa-gen for stable

add ppa:ubuntugnometeam/dev for latest dev code

attackgecko
June 1st, 2011, 11:46 PM
Glad to have you drop by. The intent here was to take what you & a couple others are doing & create a live image that people could get their feet wet with Gnome 3.0 without abandoning Ubuntu. trying to learn a new DE & distro just leaves too many wildcards, i.e. if the distro is difficult to learn it will affect the opinion of the DE.

Not sure exactly what can be contributed since I don't code but there are a few of us here that are definitely behind what you are doing. As for the extensions I've collected, and in some cases modified, are for maximum compatibility with Gnome shell on Ubuntu. I've been following Finn Murphy's blog quite closely, he uses Fedora but he's a java scripting wiz, and he's been helping me to debug & adapt some of his extensions, and offering tips for other modifications that I feel enhance the Gnome 3.0 experience.

We have become fairly good at the customer service & troubleshooting installation problems, little things like that.

I'll leave it at that for the moment but give some thought to what we can do within our limited scope & I think you can count on us for support.:)

I think you are good at managing shell extensions and support. Want to take over our shell extensions and support teams (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UGR/TeamSummary)?

What we are trying to do with shell extensions is get them packaged in our repository. I see that ricotz has already done some of that. However, we want to have each extension installable individually, such as shell-extension-<extension>. We will have them all in the same source package, and I'm building a template that makes it really easy to add stuff. It will also automatically pull in updates from sources with code hosting. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UGR/ShellExtensions for our shell extension plans.

As for an official UGR iso, yours will be it for the next few days until we fix our build scripts. ;)

cecilpierce
June 2nd, 2011, 04:07 AM
How can I get rid of the dock on the right ?

bulldog
June 2nd, 2011, 09:10 AM
How can I get rid of the dock on the right ?



Look in /home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions and see if you have the dock extension unzipped.
If so,just remove the unpacked folder and reload the shell [alt-f2 r] and it should be gone.

cecilpierce
June 2nd, 2011, 11:41 AM
Look in /home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions and see if you have the dock extension unzipped.
If so,just remove the unpacked folder and reload the shell [alt-f2 r] and it should be gone.

I moved dock out of /home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions and the dock is still there, and alt-f2 don't work for some reason, where else can I look ?
Thanks for the help.
:)

bulldog
June 2nd, 2011, 01:10 PM
I moved dock out of /home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions and the dock is still there, and alt-f2 don't work for some reason, where else can I look ?
Thanks for the help.
:)

Log out and back in again should do it.
I never used the dock myself,and I don't know HOW you installed it,but if you just un-packed the tar.gz in your extensions folder,this should do the trick.

If you did the install some other way,maybe you can get some info from this link:

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Extensions

Part of interest,
Extension installation locations

Extensions can be installed per-user in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions, or systemwide in /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions and /usr/local/share/gnome-shell/extensions.

Viewing installed extensions

Installed extensions are listed in LookingGlass.

Disabling extensions

Per-user and systemwide extensions can be disabled with the GSettings key org.gnome.shell.disabled-extensions

On the other hand,is the dock-extension not show up in the gnome-tweak-tool?
I'm not quite sure where gnome-tweak-tool is getting the information from however.
But you can look in /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions if your dock extension is loaded from there.
If so,I think remove it should be enough,but not 100% sure about this so keep it in store to see if it's really working as it should.

Looking Glass is a marvelous little tool to see your installed extensions and what is going wrong with them.
Did had a closer look at it now,and it's quite useful in my opinion.

About ALT-F2 not working,did you have a look at system settings/keybord/shortcuts/system to see if ALT-F2 is enabled?

cecilpierce
June 2nd, 2011, 01:50 PM
@bulldog
Your a life saver, it was in /usr/local/share/gnome-shell/extensions moved it and no more dock, it would not auto-hide and was taking up a lot of room.

I fiddled with the alt-f2 thing in keyboard-something? and now when I press alt-f2 I get "Please enter a command" but I its no big deal for now, im getting a head ache goggling this stuff :P

Thanks again for the help !!!

bulldog
June 2nd, 2011, 06:08 PM
@bulldog
Your a life saver, it was in /usr/local/share/gnome-shell/extensions moved it and no more dock, it would not auto-hide and was taking up a lot of room.

I fiddled with the alt-f2 thing in keyboard-something? and now when I press alt-f2 I get "Please enter a command" but I its no big deal for now, im getting a head ache goggling this stuff :P

Thanks again for the help !!!

Glad you found it useful :D

ALT-F2 is indeed for entering a command and nothing more,so stop your research about it.

You could enter lg in the box to take a look at looking glass.
To stop and leave the looking glass,you'll need to select the first tab called evaluator and hit the esc button.
Otherwise you're stuck with it,like me the first time.:(

cecilpierce
June 3rd, 2011, 02:15 AM
@bulldog

Just got home form the Everglades working on my air boat and drinking a lot of beer, thanks for the tips about lg....:)

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 02:18 AM
Our UGR GNOME 3 PPA was just a copy of the GNOME 3 teams. We moved to their repo, ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3

So to recap, the UGR repos are:
ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 and ppa:ubuntugnometeam/ppa-gen for stable

add ppa:ubuntugnometeam/dev for latest dev code

Great, thanks.

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 02:29 AM
I think you are good at managing shell extensions and support. Want to take over our shell extensions and support teams (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UGR/TeamSummary)?

What we are trying to do with shell extensions is get them packaged in our repository. I see that ricotz has already done some of that. However, we want to have each extension installable individually, such as shell-extension-<extension>. We will have them all in the same source package, and I'm building a template that makes it really easy to add stuff. It will also automatically pull in updates from sources with code hosting. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UGR/ShellExtensions for our shell extension plans.

As for an official UGR iso, yours will be it for the next few days until we fix our build scripts. ;)

Sure, I'll give it a try. Do you already have some extensions in mind, want to adopt the gNatty Pack bundle of extensions or start from scratch? Since quite a few of the ones I like are made by Mr. fpmurphy I guess I should email him & ask if he minds if they are included, along with a few from Ron Yorston.

Not quite sure what this will entail but I'll give it a go. 23dornot23d, bulldog & philnice have also been extremely helpful in that area. I hope the invitation extends to them as well.

Cool!

BTW, I claim Rockford, IL as my hometown, where do you live in Wisconsin?

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 03:18 AM
Been looking over the posts of the past 24 hours, really happy to see you guys helping each other out while I've been out on the beach. :)

Working on gNatty Gnome i686 v2 (Midnight Edition).

1. Replacing the default Adwaita shell theme with my modified Atolm.
2. Replacing Gtk 3.0 default theme with modified dark Adwaita.
3. Replacing Gtk 2.0 default theme with Atolm.
4. Added language support in English, Spanish, French, German & Russian.
5. Using the two repositories for installation as described by the Ubuntu Gnome Remix (UGR) team version 0.1.1 "Nebula"
6. Going to install a couple extensions to /usr/share/gnome/shell/extensions by default. If you were trying Gnome 3.0 shell for the first time what extensions do you find essential? I am leaning towards 3 right now, my modified weather extension, application@indicator & fpmurphy's eureka 2.1. I want maximum simplicity, functionality & coexistence.

I am starting with the 32-bit, but will also create an identical 64-bit, both sharing the same naming convention. gNatty Gnome i686 v2 Live & gNatty Gnome amd64 v2 Live.

Really need some feedback as quickly as possible since I plan to have the 32-bit version seeding within 12 hours, if not sooner, with a 64-bit version available next Wednesday afternoon or NLT Thursday morning.

bulldog
June 3rd, 2011, 05:03 AM
Cool.
1.I presume the theme selector will be part of it,for people who like another theme.
2.Agreed
3.Agreed.
4.Agreed
5.Leave the ricotz ppa disabled,is my opinion.
6.Will come back at this one.

This is a quick reply,have to go to work in a moment,will come back on it this evening.
Have to say GREAT WORK and hope everything works out well,especially the 64bit part.

philnice
June 3rd, 2011, 05:28 AM
Charles, whenever you have a new version ready, pm me so i can upload that too.
Also, thanks for the credits above. Really appreciate it. :D

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 06:54 AM
Cool.
1.I presume the theme selector will be part of it,for people who like another theme.
2.Agreed
3.Agreed.
4.Agreed
5.Leave the ricotz ppa disabled,is my opinion.
6.Will come back at this one.

This is a quick reply,have to go to work in a moment,will come back on it this evening.
Have to say GREAT WORK and hope everything works out well,especially the 64bit part.

Actually I was going to leave the theme selector out of it. There's an odd conflict that occurs between the eureka extension, which I find invaluable, user themes and/or theme selector. For some odd reason the icons in the top panel get huge, that's why I took my favorite themes and moved them to the default Adwaita directory. It becomes a support nightmare, but if the consensus is that having the theme selector is a major plus maybe I'll leave the top panel relatively bare. What the ubuntu community seems to be lacking at this stage are some good java script wizards, right now most of the awesome extensions are being coded by Fedora users and there are slight differences in the distros that cause some unpredictable results on Ubuntu. That's the reason I've been so careful & selective about what I put in the gNatty Pack. Some just don't play well with others, excellent extensions like the one I use for weather conflicted with virtually every other one that ran in the upper right panel. The extensions for Gnome shell are still in their infancy.

Yes, the ricotz ppa, very good but it's possible that some introduce minor problems, and people can add them if they wish.

Since I basically volunteered myself (us) to assist the UGR project in whatever way possible, and they accepted, I want to keep it pure if possible. It's my assumption that it will be a majority of the people that have participated here that will have the most to contribute when Gnome 3.0 becomes more mainstream on Ubuntu.

So, I guess I've droned on long enough about that. Right now I've hit a snag, I thought it would be easy to import files into an UCK build but I haven't found a way to do it yet. Right now my backup plan is to take my UCK build, install it, then make a few mods, then use Remastersys to spin it yet again. A rather ugly solution that I would rather avoid since it seems that Reamstersys can't manufacture an iso under 1Gb in size, among other things.

So, back to googling a fix.

ps. I like eureka because it's a 4 or 5 in one solution to some common functions. I can duplicate the functionality with the use of about 4 other extensions, so if the feedback indicates that a theme selector is crucial I can live with that. :)

And yes, hopefully this one will go smoothly and a 64-bit version will follow right on it's heels.

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 06:56 AM
Charles, whenever you have a new version ready, pm me so i can upload that too.
Also, thanks for the credits above. Really appreciate it. :D

Hey, no thanks needed, it's been a real pleasure dealing with everyone that has visited this thread.

You guys are great! =D>

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 10:24 AM
Just about done with the latest respin, had to use a couple files from the ricotz ppa but turned it off by default so that it doesn't upgrade important files. I found that it's the ricotz gnome-themes-standard that creates the pink lines problem with some gtk 3.0 themes.

The theme selector is installed but the themes are not located in ~/.themes, since I couldn't figure out how to place them in the users .themes directory during installation I opted to place them in /usr/share/themes which makes them available & usable by gnome-tweak-tool but not the theme selector. For those that want that feature I will recommend that they download the gNatty Pack and install the themes tarball in the ~/.themes folder.

There may be a bug affecting installation, it has to be installed from the desktop. I only tried once but could not get it to install from the grub menu's "Install Release" selection.

There are no proprietary video drivers, which means that for most of us the live session will be Gnome fallback.

I think it looks very good if you like dark themes, though you will have to use gnome-tweak-tool to achieve it via the modified Atolm themes, unless you install the themes to be made available to the theme selector.

I went ahead & made some decisions regarding the default extensions, again, they are located in /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions but can be moved to ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions. It has an applications menu via the activities text (renamed gNatty), a workspace switcher, panel favorites, weather, places & alt-status (power off), kovtray to fix the notifications in the message tray (eliminates the accordian effect). Probably a couple others that are subtle.

If this latest test install goes well I should have it available via torrent within the next couple hours.

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 11:17 AM
Ok, ran into a small glitch with file & folders permissions involving a couple themes. I have a rather demanding schedule over the next few days so I don't know if I will get it out this weekend or not, I will try though. It functions wonderfully, the installation is flawless, it has system sounds, even unity works well.

I could release it as-is and we'd spend a lot of time trying to talk people through the file permissions thing, or we can have some patience and have something that is virtually trouble free. I'm leaning towards a slight delay so that even more people can enjoy a much easier initial experience with Gnome 3.0 shell on Ubuntu.

Sorry guys. Here's a thumbnail of what it looks like after choosing a wallpaper & selecting the modified Atolm themes with gnome-tweak-tool.

aeronutt
June 3rd, 2011, 01:07 PM
So it's really just an icon display thing?

I think I found the problem, a bug in the gnome 3 bluetooth icon applet. Seems it doesn't update even when the bluetooth is actually off (or at least that's the way I'm reading it).

http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=76fce94b66be7bdebbedcc3bce62898da51da15a

I guess I'm surprised others aren't seeing this.

aeronutt
June 3rd, 2011, 01:09 PM
Ok, ran into a small glitch with file & folders permissions involving a couple themes. I have a rather demanding schedule over the next few days so I don't know if I will get it out this weekend or not, I will try though. It functions wonderfully, the installation is flawless, it has system sounds, even unity works well.

I could release it as-is and we'd spend a lot of time trying to talk people through the file permissions thing, or we can have some patience and have something that is virtually trouble free. I'm leaning towards a slight delay so that even more people can enjoy a much easier initial experience with Gnome 3.0 shell on Ubuntu.

Sorry guys. Here's a thumbnail of what it looks like after choosing a wallpaper & selecting the modified Atolm themes with gnome-tweak-tool.

Thanks for all your work!! Yea, I'd vote wait a few days.

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 01:51 PM
Well I did what I could with it, covered the rest with the installation notes (I hope) gNatty Gnome i686 v2 Live has been released into the wild, it will take some time to get it uploaded, please seed to the maximum extent possible.

Link to gNatty Gnome i686 v2 Live.iso (http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=a1f18c13a081e0d76e22327bfe95efd8cd07250e)

Overall I am extremely pleased with the results (did I already mention, read the installation notes) :)



Installation Notes:
This must be installed from the Gnome classic or Ubuntu Unity desktop.

The grub menu "Install Release" does not appear to work

From the Gnome classic or Unity desktop open synaptic or a terminal and install nautilus-gksu

Using the command line or sudo (or gksu) nautilus navigate to /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions and archive the entire directory. Delete the rest of the folders. For some reason there is some initialization that occurs on the first boot into Gnome 3.0 shell and some or all of the extensions cause a crash. After you have succesfully logged into gnome shell you can unarchive your extensions and everything is fine.

Similar to the extensions folder you need to navigate to /usr/share/themes and select all folders, then under Properties >> Permissions make sure all files & folders can be accessed by both user & root. Failure to do so will make some themes unavailable but will not affect the basic functionality.

If you have an Nvidia video card the 173 drivers will be installed during installation. If you have video problems go into Additional Drivers and remove 173 & install 270 or later version.

If you use ATI I'm afraid you are on your own. If you have figured out how to successfully run Ubuntu 11.04 with ATI drivers the same should apply to this custom iso.

Under system settings verify your region & locale information. Failure to do so might result in red squiggly lines under your text giving the apperance of a misspelling.

I have attempted to support installation in English, French, German, Spanish & Russian. How well it works remains to be seen.

There is a thread on Ubuntuforums where support is provided, please visit it & participate for installation & customization tips. The url is as follows: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1754198

Welcome to Gnome 3.0 shell running on Ubuntu 11.04!

Magnet link, let me know if it works. (magnet:?xt=urn:btih:a1f18c13a081e0d76e22327bfe95e fd8cd07250e&dn=gNatty%20Gnome%20i686%20v2%20Live.iso&tr=http%3A%2F%2Flinuxtracker.org%3A2710%2F5c52820e 50f041c91c137fb3216f6f8b%2Fannounce)

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 01:57 PM
Thanks for all your work!! Yea, I'd vote wait a few days.

I just couldn't wait, I've got a very busy weekend, and I have family visiting from out of state and will be away from my computer for a few days at a time. while I would have liked to make it "perfect" I don't think it's within my ability to do so at this time. Maybe with some coordination between me and the UGR team it would be better but even they admit they are having some problems actually creating the iso right now. Other than some additional extensions & themes built in this is an almost pure UGR Nebula installation. I did have to use a couple packages from the ricotz ppa to round it out and to kill a bug or two.

I hope everyone enjoys checking it out and hopefully I will have a 64-bit copy within the week. :)

aeronutt
June 3rd, 2011, 02:12 PM
I just couldn't wait, I've got a very busy weekend, and I have family visiting from out of state and will be away from my computer for a few days at a time. while I would have liked to make it "perfect" I don't think it's within my ability to do so at this time. Maybe with some coordination between me and the UGR team it would be better but even they admit they are having some problems actually creating the iso right now. Other than some additional extensions & themes built in this is an almost pure UGR Nebula installation. I did have to use a couple packages from the ricotz ppa to round it out and to kill a bug or two.

I hope everyone enjoys checking it out and hopefully I will have a 64-bit copy within the week. :)

Awesome, thanks!! I'll be trying it out this weekend.

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 02:15 PM
Awesome, thanks!! I'll be trying it out this weekend.

Cool! :)

Sorry I can't offer any real help with the bluetooth issue, since I don't have anything that uses it I can't really try & test it.

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 02:49 PM
Some people might ask why I just didn't use the Oneiric alpha instead of doing this spin. The simple truth is that Oneiric is just too unstable right now, making it very fragile and daily updates have rendered installations unbootable. Natty is pretty stable with no drastic changes that seriously break things. :)

bulldog
June 3rd, 2011, 05:55 PM
I see a lot has happen the last few hours.:)

Downloading the V2 now,and if I get the ISO in time,I will install it on my laptop and try it out.

I would suggest to minimize the amount of extensions,but you can switch them off with the tweak-tool so no harm done anyway.

I know people like to have a desktop with everything pre-installed,but to keep things simple,I would build a clean gnome-shell,with the theme selector and a few themes pre-installed.

There should be something to discover by new users themselves,and we can give them a hand in this tread.

But you have the ISO already uploaded,so ignore my nagging.

You did a great job and you should have all the credits.

We only act as support and try to solve some problems we run into.

But I would thank you for mentioning our names in your reply to attackgecko,much appreciated,but, I speak only for myself,I'm not
much of a wizzkid,so don't expect to much.

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 06:59 PM
I see a lot has happen the last few hours.:)

Downloading the V2 now,and if I get the ISO in time,I will install it on my laptop and try it out.

I would suggest to minimize the amount of extensions,but you can switch them off with the tweak-tool so no harm done anyway.

I know people like to have a desktop with everything pre-installed,but to keep things simple,I would build a clean gnome-shell,with the theme selector and a few themes pre-installed.

There should be something to discover by new users themselves,and we can give them a hand in this tread.

But you have the ISO already uploaded,so ignore my nagging.

You did a great job and you should have all the credits.

We only act as support and try to solve some problems we run into.

But I would thank you for mentioning our names in your reply to attackgecko,much appreciated,but, I speak only for myself,I'm not
much of a wizzkid,so don't expect to much.

I'm no whizzkid either, I just plug away at it. :)

I should have taken some more time to wait for feedback to my questions but everything just sort of "came together" yesterday with what I wanted to do with it. I wanted to strike while the iron was hot so to speak. :lol: But the iso & installation is sound, it just requires overcoming a couple little quirks, which reminds me, I've never tried using gnome-tweak-tool from gnome classic, or even unity, now that I think about it, it does sound possible. Would somebody, while in fallback mode, try gnome-tweak-tool and see if they can disable the extensions? If that works it would simplify that initial login to gnome shell, instead of archiving the extension folder & deleting the extension folders temporarily they might just be able to pull up the tweak tool while their video driver is downloading. Would be cool if that worked.

I see we have 12 people trying to download it now but nobody has a complete copy yet.

bulldog
June 3rd, 2011, 08:27 PM
If I get the ISO completed I will try the tweaktool to disable the extensions.
Let you know as soon as possible [currently at 54,9% download]


Okay,I will give my opinion how the gnatty ISO should be.
I hope neither of you will feel offended,because that is not my intention.
Maybe I propose a situation which can't be done,so let me know.

First of all,the ISO should install without any tricks or using a terminal or what ever.
Just click the install button and it should install.
When you first login,you should be able to do so,without using a terminal.

I understand you want to give a user as much as possible,like extensions and themes and stuff,but if this means
a new user has to fiddle with the terminal or compress certain folders,I think we mis the point here.

In my opinion you should try to make a clean Gnome-Shell ISO,if possible with some nice themes,but keep it clean.

You provide the gnatty-pack with all the extensions and themes you want to pack,as a second download.
Make a README file with a short explaination of the extensions,where to install and so on,a new user can decide by itself
if and what he/she wants to install.
At the forum we can provide help with questions a new user could have.

I sincerely think this is the way to get new and maybe not experienced users to try and install gnatty.

If I look back at the V1 64bit version [which I use] the only problem is the GDM,which you have to restart using htop.
This isn't a problem IF YOU KNOW HOW.
But if somebody who's not taken the time to read up on this,boot this ISO, he will be stuck at that point and can't install.
That's a waste of your time you put into this ISO.
And I believe there will be alot of users who are not reading the notes and the forum,but just try to install and fail.

So I say again,keep it clean and make sure it will install without a glitch,and if that works,offer them the gnatty-pack as a premium download.
With guidance at the forum.

But maybe I'm talking crapp here,and this can't be done at this point of time,so let me know.

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 09:55 PM
:D Well, this one meets your idea about half way, the gdm & installation work perfectly from what I can tell with testing on just my machine. There is virtually nothing that tells the user this is anything other than an Ubuntu disk. It's only the process of bringing up the gnome shell desktop that it gets the tiniest bit tricky, but I hope I covered that well in the installation notes.

What I need for the gNatty Pack is someone that knows how to do some simple bash scripting. Just to make it a process of downloading the pack, extract it and have either a script, or better yet a launcher, that would place themes into .themes and extensions into ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions. Perhaps the next one will be more tightly integrated with the UGR project and I can borrow on some of their skills.

I may have reached too far with this one, trying to make it perfect right from the first login. Another thing I would like to see someone test is the foreign language installation. This was built with English, French, German, Spanish & Russian language options but I don't know if that just added unnecessary bulk or if it's actually a welcome convenience.

I appreciate your feedback, maybe v3 (if there ever is one) :) will be leaner & we'll have the gNatty Pack scripting worked out. I built this one with UCK & really learned a lot more than I knew when I did the first version. Eventually I might actually know what I'm doing. :)

bulldog
June 3rd, 2011, 10:26 PM
I will try this one for sure :)

And I give you my feedback about the tweak-tool and the languages too.

But I hope you understand what I try to say,it's not about what you have done with it,I think we get it installed.

My worries are the 'new' and impatience users,who are not taken the time to read anything,and just try to install and ran into trouble.

Take a look at the forums when a new release comes at the table,there are so much questions which wouldn't be there if they took a little time to read up,before installing.

That's why I propose a clean ISO,if they want to mess it up,it's their choice to do so.

And about bash, I know very little about scripting.

I guess we all have to learn a lot,only time is the deal breaker for me,I have only some time in the weekends.

cbowman57
June 3rd, 2011, 10:47 PM
@bulldog; Yes, I know what you mean, the people that download something that looks cool and if it doesn't boot and install without a hitch they delete it and move on. Refuse to read any install or release notes, then bitch because it wasn't perfect. :)

You may be right about the clean approach, that's sort of the direction I went with v1, and why I did keep the gNatty Pack separate. I think that maybe this version will appeal to the longtime ubuntu/gnome user that doesn't want to abandon Ubuntu because of Unity but is willing to explore the direction Gnome development is going.

I know what you mean about time, right now it's the season to be hanging at the beach with family & friends, which is probably why I rushed this one out.

I have gotten pretty competent with UCK now though and if there is a version 3 it should be virtually flawless. Maybe it's time for you guys to discuss what you think v3 should be & I will go with the consensus. That would be a great project. :)

As a matter of fact, maybe the 64-bit version will skip v2 & go straight to v3. You guys talk about it and see what you want to do. I will need someone to adopt the gNatty Pack though to get us where we want to be.

cbowman57
June 4th, 2011, 09:46 AM
Haven't tried it yet, just downloaded it but Ron Yorston has created an extension that approximates the bottom gnome panel.

http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html

bulldog
June 4th, 2011, 09:50 AM
@cbowman,
Can you supply some links where I can find more info?
About UCK for instance and Remastersys,I can google it,but I want to read the same things you did,so we understand were we talk about :p
I have to say English isn't my native language so maybe you have to clarify things when I don't understand it completely.

About the gnatty-pack,what is your intention with it?
You want to keep it up to date or is there more to it.
I understand most of the extensions come from Fedora and pmurphy and you made them work for ubuntu if necessary.

My opinion would be just to deliver the ones that are useful for most people,like the alternate user-menu,theme-selector and maybe one or two more.
But not to extended it too much,if people want more extensions,they can ask,and we can see if we can make it work.

Afterall,if you install Natty or any ubuntu,you won't get a working Conky or other eye candy with it,so let's keep things simple and workable,without too much time consuming extra's.

But I'm only trying to think with you,not demanding anything!

bulldog
June 4th, 2011, 10:03 AM
Haven't tried it yet, just downloaded it but Ron Yorston has created an extension that approximates the bottom gnome panel.

http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html

This line worries me the most;)

The extensions hook into the very core of the GNOME shell. It's almost inevitable that future changes to the shell will break them and that they'll be incompatible with other extensions. In particular, the Shut Down menu extension is incompatible with alternative-status-menu in gnome-shell-extensions

I think most people won't know this,and if any extension stop working,they will come to the forum asking why.
You'll be busy all day answering their questions and provide solutions.

I'll stick with my opinion to NOT include that many extensions for now.
Just the proven ones that doesn't conflict with eachother and let people decide by themselves if they want to explore other ones and risk breakage.

BTW,I downgraded the gnome-themes-standard from ricotz ppa into the natty ones,and the pink lines are gone and the themes look as they should be.

Have the ISO in,will install this afternoon [11.11 AM overhere]
Seeding is above the one ratio and continuing

cbowman57
June 4th, 2011, 10:17 AM
This line worries me the most;)

The extensions hook into the very core of the GNOME shell. It's almost inevitable that future changes to the shell will break them and that they'll be incompatible with other extensions. In particular, the Shut Down menu extension is incompatible with alternative-status-menu in gnome-shell-extensions

I think most people won't know this,and if any extension stop working,they will come to the forum asking why.
You'll be busy all day answering their questions and provide solutions.

I'll stick with my opinion to NOT include that many extensions for now.
Just the proven ones that doesn't conflict with eachother and let people decide by themselves if they want to explore other ones and risk breakage.

Yes, future changes could break them but that can be said for any other application. The programmers will keep pace or someone will move in & fill the void.

You are probably right about trying to troubleshoot extension problems, that's why I have been selective in what I included, mostly staying with things that will help people make the transition from Gnome 2.32. Selecting what is appropriate to include is a good topic for discussion. For now I've frozen the gNatty Pack because otherwise it would consume all my time trying to keep up with them. My philosophy on them was that without them people would pass on Gnome 3.0 without giving it a fair trial. So they will either stay with a generic gnome shell, or they will inevitably find them on their own and the search for solutions will either lead them elsewhere or lead them here. For now I think I prefer people come here for answers, keeps me from trying to troubleshoot in dozens of new threads.

I've already tweaked that panel extension a bit, this is how it looks. It also makes a fantastic substitute for the missing minimize button, even though we know that can be turned on with gnome-tweak-tool.

cbowman57
June 4th, 2011, 10:21 AM
BTW,I downgraded the gnome-themes-standard from ricotz ppa into the natty ones,and the pink lines are gone and the themes look as they should be.

Have the ISO in,will install this afternoon [11.11 AM overhere]
Seeding is above the one ratio and continuing

Yeah, me too, those pink lines have been driving me nuts for weeks, which is why I initially used the dark Adwaita gtk-3.0 theme.

Glad you finally got the iso, curious to see how it goes on other systems.

bulldog
June 4th, 2011, 10:31 AM
Yeah, me too, those pink lines have been driving me nuts for weeks, which is why I initially used the dark Adwaita gtk-3.0 theme.

Glad you finally got the iso, curious to see how it goes on other systems.

In a few hours we'll know if it works :D
I am confident and know my computer,I would put it on the laptop,but I changed my mind.
I put it on this desktop,it's much faster and has a nvidia graphics.

Now off to get some food in the house,will be back in about eight hours and hope to give you the first results.

cbowman57
June 4th, 2011, 10:34 AM
@cbowman,
Can you supply some links where I can find more info?
About UCK for instance and Remastersys,I can google it,but I want to read the same things you did,so we understand were we talk about :p
I have to say English isn't my native language so maybe you have to clarify things when I don't understand it completely.

About the gnatty-pack,what is your intention with it?
You want to keep it up to date or is there more to it.
I understand most of the extensions come from Fedora and pmurphy and you made them work for ubuntu if necessary.

My opinion would be just to deliver the ones that are useful for most people,like the alternate user-menu,theme-selector and maybe one or two more.
But not to extended it too much,if people want more extensions,they can ask,and we can see if we can make it work.

Afterall,if you install Natty or any ubuntu,you won't get a working Conky or other eye candy with it,so let's keep things simple and workable,without too much time consuming extra's.

But I'm only trying to think with you,not demanding anything!

Here's the link to the Remastersys page http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ubuntu.html Basically it just allows you to make an installable version of your system, either a distro copy that doesn't contain any of your user information, or a backup that retains all your personalizations & customizations. Very handy software, I've been using it for years.

UCK is the Ubuntu Customization Kit, available from the Ubuntu repos. It allows you to go into an original ubuntu iso and add or subtract things using synaptic or a terminal, as well as being able to go into the file system and make changes or add/subtract files. sudo apt-get install uck will get & install it.

You make a good point about extensions being similar to conky. Some of the other distros have forums where using & customizing it have heavy traffic. I'm really not sure that any support pertaining to a distro emphasizing the use of gnome shell can avoid getting involved with them. However, what is included in the gNatty Pack can be managed.

23dornot23d
June 4th, 2011, 12:53 PM
Looking good ...... very professional startup ..... Daniel Sandman has done some great work
on creating the Logo and the UGR team
(J.Huice - E.Brunzell etc ... and of course all the GNOME 3

Team and the Ubuntu forums for giving this a place to develop)

My thoughts are that the people here work well together as a team and now with the inclusion of CBowman this can only get better.

The Download of this was around 1 Mb /sec today ...... so very good indeed ..... and the download was a lot different from our first attempts (12 hours +) its now downloaded and burnt to disk in an hour and now installing
( will put it back up on transmission once I have it installed - 5 peers last time I looked though and good speeds as I said ) .

Looking forward to using this now ..... the DVD booted in first time as said with a whoops face
second time straight in at fallback mode ...... ( just press the unlock key no password needed as far as I can see )

Now I am installing it and will load the drivers and follow the instructions in the readme .....
to get it up and running and will let you know how it goes .....
( update - got problems - installed ok .... and Current Nvidia graphics drivers are now loaded in ...... but
not going into shell - have managed to get into UNITY though ok so working from there at the moment )

This error is happening on every updated version I have now though and in Oneiric too - anybody know a solution to it ?
even a clean compile using jhbuild does the same thing .... ( last one I did was yesterday )

gnome-shell-calendar-server[2432]: Got HUP on stdin - exiting

Great work by the way and the effort that goes into this deserves a BIG THANK YOU ;)

cbowman57
June 4th, 2011, 06:52 PM
gnome-shell-calendar-server[2432]: Got HUP on stdin - exiting

Great work by the way and the effort that goes into this deserves a BIG THANK YOU ;)

Thanks for the attaboy. :)

So, you get it up & running, fully functional other than this error? If I could figure out hot to turn off all the extensions on the iso it would simplify things immensely. I know it can be done with gsettings but that thing confuses me. One thing that puzzles me is why file permissions change on the themes.

But overall the installation went well and you got a functional gnome shell following the install notes?

bulldog
June 4th, 2011, 07:04 PM
Here are my first impressions from the V2 version of cbowman57.

This is in no means a total of my findings,just the first impressions of the live cd and the installation,and the first login to the gnome-shell.

DVD or USB:
I installed the V2 on a 2GB USB-stick with unetbootin.

Live USB start:
Starting the V2 is nice with UGR picture and then the GDM login.
I did choose the gnome-fallback session which started nicely,exept from a warning --System program problem detected-- I'f seen that one before, so I knew it means nothing of any importance.

I'd looked around in menu->system and found the install release option and pressed it.
The install was flawless.

After the install:
I rebooted and logged in in ubuntu,which gave me the unity interface,not sure if this was the 2d version but it worked as it should be,but to be fair I didn't do very much there,only checked the tweak-tool,but no extensions where listed.

Logged out and back in again in gnome-fallback,no problems there.
Installed the nVidia driver and google-chrome,no extensions in the tweak-tool neither,so nothing to do over there.
Reboot for the nVidia driver.

After the reboot:
I logged in to the fallback session and apt-get install nautilus-gksu.
After that ALT-F2 gksu nautilus,which gave me an error [screenshots at the end]
I opened a terminal and sudo su gave me a root terminal and I created the folders it wanted.
Opened nautilus in the same terminal and compressed the extensions and removed the rest of the folders.
Did set the permissions on the themes as adviced and update the install.
A reboot was required.

Don't know what it was but I couldn't login to the shell.
The GDM screen disappeared and the screen went dark.
Did see this before though,so I rebooted the machine and I could login the Gnome.
Didn't see any warnings and the extensions seems to work
Sound works when you login and all looks fine.

Conclusion so far:
This looks like a good release,besides the one extra reboot,and the nautilus glich, everything worked out smoothly.

However,I stick to my point as stated before,you shouldn't have to compress a folder or set permissions on themes.
I think a novice would be stuck with the nautilus warning.

Have to figure out how I get my hometown in the wheater extension. :)
And set some nice themes in theme folder.
So I'll be busy for the next hour :guitar:

Did notice the icons in notification area are huge?

Will continue to test and keep you informed.

cbowman57
June 4th, 2011, 07:34 PM
The error in the first screenshot I got before installing nautilus-gksu, I didn't try to launch sudo nautilus or gksu nautilus with alt-f2, just used a terminal so I didn't get that message after installing nautilus-gksu.

Happy that it went well overall using the installation notes. I think the large icons are the result of some kind of interaction between the actual shell, user-themes-extensions & the theme selector extension. You might have to try toggling one or the other of them off to get it to display properly. What I did was toggle on the theme selector to browse the themes, then set it with gnome-tweak-tool, then turned off the theme selector. Not certain but I suggest playing with that combination.

Instructions for changing weather location can be found here, (https://github.com/simon04/gnome-shell-extension-weather) this is the extension that I modified to coexist with the other extensions.

cbowman57
June 4th, 2011, 08:33 PM
Hey guys, UGR was looking for a name for their distro, and due to trademark issues Canonical has blocked them from using Gubuntu. They conducted some polls that most of us probably weren't aware of, they have settled on keeping it UGR but I have asked them to reconsider.

The suggestion I came up with is Mogwai, in keeping with Ubuntu's naming tradition of using an African word, Mogwai means gremlin and gnome=gremlin in their tradition.

What do you guys think? Should I slink away quietly or should we apply some pressure to try and get them to accept it? :D

I also think that since Canonical chooses not to lend legitimacy to their project they shouldn't have their name promoted with it. For those that don't already know, UGR stands for Ubuntu Gnome Remix.

aeronutt
June 4th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Hey guys, UGR was looking for a name for their distro, and due to trademark issues Canonical has blocked them from using Gubuntu. They conducted some polls that most of us probably weren't aware of, they have settled on keeping it UGR but I have asked them to reconsider.

The suggestion I came up with is Mogwai, in keeping with Ubuntu's naming tradition of using an African word, Mogwai means gremlin and gnome=gremlin in their tradition.

What do you guys think? Should I slink away quietly or should we apply some pressure to try and get them to accept it? :D

I also think that since Canonical chooses not to lend legitimacy to their project they shouldn't have their name promoted with it. For those that don't already know, UGR stands for Ubuntu Gnome Remix.

I like your thoughts along this line. Mogwai!

bmbaker
June 4th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Hey guys, UGR was looking for a name for their distro, and due to trademark issues Canonical has blocked them from using Gubuntu. They conducted some polls that most of us probably weren't aware of, they have settled on keeping it UGR but I have asked them to reconsider.

The suggestion I came up with is Mogwai, in keeping with Ubuntu's naming tradition of using an African word, Mogwai means gremlin and gnome=gremlin in their tradition.

What do you guys think? Should I slink away quietly or should we apply some pressure to try and get them to accept it? :D

I also think that since Canonical chooses not to lend legitimacy to their project they shouldn't have their name promoted with it. For those that don't already know, UGR stands for Ubuntu Gnome Remix.
i like the sound of that :-) mogwai sounds kinda funky :-)

bulldog
June 4th, 2011, 09:19 PM
+1
Mogwai sounds much better as UGR.
I should pressure them :)

Rather strange Ubuntu will not let them use Gubuntu,after all it's Ubuntu Gnome.

Should we fear for our place over here? :confused:

23dornot23d
June 5th, 2011, 01:30 AM
Thanks for the attaboy. :smile:

So, you get it up & running, fully functional other than this error? If I could figure out hot to turn off all the extensions on the iso it would simplify things immensely. I know it can be done with gsettings but that thing confuses me. One thing that puzzles me is why file permissions change on the themes.

But overall the installation went well and you got a functional gnome shell following the install notes?
I have gone back to the gnatty 32 bit v1 (http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9281/screenshotzf.jpg) ...... and the input output error is in the first line there too
that appears in the screenshot of the latest one ..... overwriting an existing directory .....

Maybe there is something we have missed or are overlooking at the start .....
I know I had all sorts of problems getting the DVD to work for the 64 bit ...... as things move forward
I will just hang back and check the foundations out a bit ..... as they say - you need good foundations to build on .......

I know now too that you found the same problem otherwise the extensions would not need adding
afterwards ......... it does not work once the extensions are in there ........ and it relates back to
an error in one of the earlier javascript files .....
( I posted a screenshot a long while back now and finding the one is like looking for a needle in a haystack - so its going to be quicker to reproduce it from the earlier version (it may even be still on the 64bit v02 disk) ....... unless someone else finds the error while turning them on and off - and isolates it that way ...... I seem to remember it had panel in its name - so it may be the main one ...... but it was quite apparent when running the DVDs one after another and getting the same results ...... I possibly wasted 4 or 5 discs before removing the extensions entirely - and guess what - same as you possibly found out ...... the DVD worked ok )


Have now done a clean install ..... and am now trying to work out why the upgrades are killing it off for me ....... seems like another spanner has been thrown in the works ...... gremlin is a good name for
it ;)

Same error message every time ...... ( just surprises me I am the only one that gets it )

gnome-shell-calendar-server[2432]: Got HUP on stdin - exiting

its nothing you have done - this is due to something in the upgrades of the normal system .....
( it could maybe be due to me running everything from a clapped out USB drive who knows - or the 512meg memory in this machine - but I doubt it as everything else runs ok )

I like Gnome-shell and will keep trying to get it running on other systems too ....
installed Kanotix today to see how that fairs .....

Everything here is good and this is possibly the most up to date version that's possible
to get running ....... you just have to install v1 again to realise how far and how quickly
this is moving along .....

I keep looking in on oneiric :confused: ........ long way to go there though if they intend to
use anything other than UNITY ....... it is not at all apparent yet ......

Love the Idea of a Gremlin in the works ............ ;)

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 08:10 AM
Hey guys, glad you like the idea of calling it Mogwai, for a number of reasons, as trailblazers the reference to gremlins does seem appropriate.

@23dornot23d; from what I've found relating to your error message, the consensus on the Gentoo forums is that it is video driver related, though it seems the ATI guys are suffering with it the most. I'll look around some more & see if I can find anything more specific. Does it occur on both of our machines?

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 08:14 AM
+1
Mogwai sounds much better as UGR.
I should pressure them :)

Rather strange Ubuntu will not let them use Gubuntu,after all it's Ubuntu Gnome.

Should we fear for our place over here? :confused:

You mean here on the forum? I don't think so, they seem pretty tolerant about what we in the USA like to call free speech. After all, look at all the "I hate unity" threads. :)

The more I hear & read Mogwai the more I like it. In the movie they were cute & devilish little creatures.

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 10:21 AM
Yep it should be renamed to Mogwai,or else you could rename gnatty to Mogway :)

The problem 23dornot23d,is that with the V2 version?
I'm not sure I understand all he's talking about,but no problems here anyway.
Only small problems I have to dive in are,I have a themes tab,I have created a themes folder,but it doesn't display any theme on the screen.
Maybe the schema isn't there by default because I did a copy paste job here,so I think I have not done it all.
I set the theme with the tweak-tool for now,but it seems it's not holding all,the shell theme switch back to adwaita all the time,the rest seems to stay by the atolm theme.
Will find out why :)

I have a lot of extensions disabled,I'm not a guy that fancy them all,just a few are pretty and maybe of use,but I run Gnome-Shell quite a time now,and I get used to do things my way.
The Icons in the notification area are back to normal,did not pay attention on which one did the trick.
Set the awoken icon-theme to default and I'm happy with what I see on my desktop,it's starting to look at my x64 version.

No problems to report still running very well.

cecilpierce
June 5th, 2011, 10:35 AM
@bulldog

Yea these extensions are driving me crazy, I just put the theme-selector one in and there so big I can't see them all and there's no scroll down and I lost the shut down in the cecil-menu.
:confused:

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 11:21 AM
@bulldog

Yea these extensions are driving me crazy, I just put the theme-selector one in and there so big I can't see them all and there's no scroll down and I lost the shut down in the cecil-menu.
:confused:

LOL :lolflag:
You have the same problem like me,I like a desktop who's clean and not many whistles and bells.

The themes on your screen are big,but that can be changed,have to look into that,but I read it somewhere.

The shut down menu is another matter,if you have the extensions in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions
Take a look at the metadata.json and see what shell-version appears.
It could be 3.0 or 3.0.1 if not change it and reload the shell.

If this doesn't work try to download another one,maybe you have one which will not play nice with some other extensions.

You can put the extensions to sleep you know,just use the gnome-tweak-tool and put the ones you wish not to use off.
Maybe your status menu will work again after you did this

cecilpierce
June 5th, 2011, 11:57 AM
Thats funny. in gnome-tweak the power option is greyed out and I tried both versions of power manager, dang-it :confused:

23dornot23d
June 5th, 2011, 12:26 PM
@23dornot23d; from what I've found relating to your error message, the consensus on the Gentoo forums is that it is video driver related, though it seems the ATI guys are suffering with it the most. I'll look around some more & see if I can find anything more specific. Does it occur on both of our machines?Not tried it on my main computer yet but will do on another old laptop later today see if I get the same result ...... as that is not an Nvidia card but S3 so may be different.



/calendar/libedata-cal'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/evolution-data-server/calendar/libedata-cal'
Making all in backends
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/evolution-data-server/calendar/backends'
Making all in file
make[4]: Entering directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/evolution-data-server/calendar/backends/file'
CC libecalbackendfile_la-e-cal-backend-file-factory.lo
CC libecalbackendfile_la-e-cal-backend-file-events.lo
CC libecalbackendfile_la-e-cal-backend-file-journal.lo
CC libecalbackendfile_la-e-cal-backend-file-todos.lo
CC libecalbackendfile_la-e-cal-backend-file.lo
CCLD libecalbackendfile.la
CC test_interval_searches-e-cal-backend-file.o
CCLD test-interval-searches
/usr/bin/ld: warning: libdb-5.1.so, needed by /home/keith/gnome-shell/install/lib/libebackend-1.2.so.1, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
/home/keith/gnome-shell/install/lib/libebackend-1.2.so.1: undefined reference to `db_create@DB5_0'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[4]: *** [test-interval-searches] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/evolution-data-server/calendar/backends/file'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/evolution-data-server/calendar/backends'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/evolution-data-server/calendar'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/evolution-data-server'
make: *** [all] Error 2
*** Error during phase build of evolution-data-server: ########## Error running make *** [18/43]

[1] Rerun phase build
[2] Ignore error and continue to install
[3] Give up on module
[4] Start shell
[5] Reload configuration
[6] Go to phase "wipe directory and start over"
[7] Go to phase "configure"
[8] Go to phase "clean"
[9] Go to phase "distclean"
choice:

What I have found while compiling it is that I am missing a libdb5.1 file in eca
l .... who knows maybe this is it ,,,, have added libdb5.1 now ..... will see what happens next

(update - well adding the libdb5.1 got me by that problem of compiling it and a lot of things related to
the calendar and timezones ....... I noticed as it goes through it - [now upto 34/43 of jhbuild] new error to do with the color profiler and this keep[s cropping up too in the error reports ..... wonder if the initial compile in the repositories is wrong ...... in some way ...... )



CC libbackground_la-gsd-background-plugin.lo
CC libbackground_la-gsd-background-manager.lo
CCLD libbackground.la
CC test_background-test-background.o
CC test_background-gsd-background-manager.o
CCLD test-background
LC_ALL=C /usr/bin/intltool-merge -d -u -c ../../po/.intltool-merge-cache ../../po background.gnome-settings-plugin.in background.gnome-settings-plugin
Found cached translation database
Merging translations into background.gnome-settings-plugin.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/background'
Making all in clipboard
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/clipboard'
CC libclipboard_la-gsd-clipboard-plugin.lo
CC libclipboard_la-gsd-clipboard-manager.lo
CC libclipboard_la-xutils.lo
CC libclipboard_la-list.lo
CCLD libclipboard.la
LC_ALL=C /usr/bin/intltool-merge -d -u -c ../../po/.intltool-merge-cache ../../po clipboard.gnome-settings-plugin.in clipboard.gnome-settings-plugin
Found cached translation database
Merging translations into clipboard.gnome-settings-plugin.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/clipboard'
Making all in color
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/color'
CC libcolor_la-gcm-profile-store.lo
CC libcolor_la-gsd-color-manager.lo
gsd-color-manager.c:34:21: fatal error: lcms2.h: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.
make[3]: *** [libcolor_la-gsd-color-manager.lo] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/color'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon'
make: *** [all] Error 2
*** Error during phase build of gnome-settings-daemon: ########## Error running make *** [34/43]

[1] Rerun phase build
[2] Ignore error and continue to install
[3] Give up on module
[4] Start shell
[5] Reload configuration
[6] Go to phase "wipe directory and start over"
[7] Go to phase "configure"
[8] Go to phase "clean"
[9] Go to phase "distclean"
choice:

Ok added the lcms from synaptic ....... now another problem .....



/home/keith/gnome-shell/install/lib/libgtk-3.so: undefined reference to `g_datalist_get_data' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[5]: *** [test-media-keys] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/media-keys'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/media-keys'
make[3]: *** [all] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/media-keys'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/keith/gnome-shell/source/gnome-settings-daemon'
make: *** [all] Error 2
*** Error during phase build of gnome-settings-daemon: ########## Error running make *** [34/43]

[1] Rerun phase build
[2] Ignore error and continue to install
[3] Give up on module
[4] Start shell
[5] Reload configuration
[6] Go to phase "wipe directory and start over"
[7] Go to phase "configure"
[8] Go to phase "clean"
[9] Go to phase "distclean"
choice:

Will add this here to keep it all for anyone else having similar problems ...... may be of use
who knows ..... ( stuck - here at GTK3 error )

This is on the 32 bit v2 ...... and should just whizz through these with no problems - I think
as on past builds if the relative files have all been there and setup then this is a breeze usually.
But who knows .... this is so big now and takes a few hours to compile it all ......

_______________________

Will have a look on Gentoo forums too ..... to see what they are saying about the drivers and Nvidia ...... Cheers .... ( all good fun and its raining outside here in France - so nothing better to do today )

aeronutt
June 5th, 2011, 12:36 PM
When I try to install v2, it's hanging prior to any options. I've downloaded the .iso twice, and it doesn't match the check sum on the torrent page: a1f18c13a081e0d76e22327bfe95efd8cd07250e

Is this the right md5sum for the iso?

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 01:11 PM
@bulldog

Yea these extensions are driving me crazy, I just put the theme-selector one in and there so big I can't see them all and there's no scroll down and I lost the shut down in the cecil-menu.
:confused:

Keep plugging away with it, but you guys are making a strong argument for shipping the iso clean and let people add themes & extensions on their own, with or without the gNatty Pack.

The shutdown is the from the alternate status extension. Turn off theme selector, use gnome-tweak-tool to select your extensions, turn on alternates status extension.

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 01:14 PM
Thats funny. in gnome-tweak the power option is greyed out and I tried both versions of power manager, dang-it :confused:

Yes, I haven't had any luck using fpmurphy's poweroff extensions, the alternate status extensions should do the trick though.

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 01:30 PM
Yep it should be renamed to Mogwai,or else you could rename gnatty to Mogway :)

The problem 23dornot23d,is that with the V2 version?
I'm not sure I understand all he's talking about,but no problems here anyway.
Only small problems I have to dive in are,I have a themes tab,I have created a themes folder,but it doesn't display any theme on the screen.
Maybe the schema isn't there by default because I did a copy paste job here,so I think I have not done it all.
I set the theme with the tweak-tool for now,but it seems it's not holding all,the shell theme switch back to adwaita all the time,the rest seems to stay by the atolm theme.
Will find out why :)

I have a lot of extensions disabled,I'm not a guy that fancy them all,just a few are pretty and maybe of use,but I run Gnome-Shell quite a time now,and I get used to do things my way.
The Icons in the notification area are back to normal,did not pay attention on which one did the trick.
Set the awoken icon-theme to default and I'm happy with what I see on my desktop,it's starting to look at my x64 version.

No problems to report still running very well.

This is what I have in my ~/.themes folder:

cecilpierce
June 5th, 2011, 02:21 PM
Yes, I haven't had any luck using fpmurphy's poweroff extensions, the alternate status extensions should do the trick though.

Thank Chuck, the alternate fixed the menu power off problem, I had that in here b4 I musta deleted it somehow !!!

I gota take my senior nap, been uo all nite...:(

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 02:23 PM
Thank Chuck, the alternate fixed the menu power off problem, I had that in here b4 I musta deleted it somehow !!!

I gota take my senior nap, been uo all nite...:(

Glad that fixed it. I know all about them senior naps, we're too old to be torching the candle at both ends. :)

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 02:30 PM
Theme-tab is working fine now.
I had to extract the 0.9 theme-selector tar.gz and switched the metadata.json and extension.js with the fresh ones.
Also put the themes from the 0.9 tar.gz fresh in the .themes folder and it's working fine now.
Think it has something to do with the copy and paste job I did earlier.
Even the atolm theme is staying in use now,so everything is fine.

Will check on the languages now.
Will install the Dutch language and see if they all get to work.

1.Dutch is working.
2.French is working.
3.Chinese is partially working,should miss some additional packages I presume.

Got a bit of work to get rid of the chinese language,but I think all of the languages you had installed are working.
Because I don't understand all of these,it's a pain to change it back to the original,try a chinese desktop and you'll know what I mean,lol.

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 02:33 PM
@bulldog; you might also want to check the permissions on the files & folders in the .themes directory. Some of mine seemed to get a mind of their own, or they were wrong and I just noticed, not sure which.

23dornot23d
June 5th, 2011, 02:50 PM
@bulldog; you might also want to check the permissions on the files & folders in the .themes directory. Some of mine seemed to get a mind of their own, or they were wrong and I just noticed, not sure which.

This is what I am finding too .

if we have themes in ......

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/themes

and in

/usr/share/themes

Which takes priority .... or does the main program just pick one directory and pull the themes from that ........

I have gnome-shell working now and its mainly due to the access rights/permissions on the files mainly in extensions .

As you say in the readme removing these and putting them back solves most of the issues ...... and the extensions work ...... (slowly for me at the moment though .....)


But that suits me as I can keep up with it .....

am working in classic as the
computer I am using is struggling in gnome-shell once the extensions are activated ..... but they seem
to work ok ..... ( I cannot test these on my main machine as it runs through a TV and the top 1/2" of the screen is missing - so cannot see any extensions put up there - so this is my only method of checking things out - until I either get a new monitor or another computer , Birthday is coming up so maybe it could be a present lols ;) )


I like the weather applet and have Rockport is that easy to change on here too... :D

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 03:27 PM
Instructions for finding & changing weather location.

https://github.com/simon04/gnome-shell-extension-weather

Something of note when using the weather extension & user themes extension, it doesn't display properly so you have to turn it off if you want the nice display, of course when you do that you lose your top panel theme. What I have gotten in the habit of doing is copying the contents of the gnome-shell folder of my theme to /usr/share/gnome-shell/themes & leaving the theme selector & user themes extensions disabled. It has something to do with how the extensions are interpreting the shell's .css. This is what is should look like. (This also fixes the large icons in the panel bug)

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 05:52 PM
This is what I am finding too .

if we have themes in ......

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/themes

and in

/usr/share/themes

Which takes priority .... or does the main program just pick one directory and pull the themes from that ........

I have gnome-shell working now and its mainly due to the access rights/permissions on the files mainly in extensions .

As you say in the readme removing these and putting them back solves most of the issues ...... and the extensions work ...... (slowly for me at the moment though .....)




I think it scans both folders, not sure the priority but if a theme exists in both there doesn't seem to be a conflict. Not sure how it handles that.

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 06:09 PM
I think it scans both folders, not sure the priority but if a theme exists in both there doesn't seem to be a conflict. Not sure how it handles that.

If I remember well,the themes in ~/.themes are for the local user.
The themes in /usr/share are for global use.
At least that's my understanding,but I could be wrong of course.

What is confusing is that tweak-tool seems to use another folder as the theme-selector.
But again,I could be wrong about that either,did look in so many folders the last few day's,I don't know where anything is at the moment :)

About the permissions,I already looked into that one,and I think I have it all covered.

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 06:22 PM
If I remember well,the themes in ~/.themes are for the local user.
The themes in /usr/share are for global use.
At least that's my understanding,but I could be wrong of course.

What is confusing is that tweak-tool seems to use another folder as the theme-selector.
But again,I could be wrong about that either,did look in so many folders the last few day's,I don't know where anything is at the moment :)

About the permissions,I already looked into that one,and I think I have it all covered.

No, you are correct. There is a third place it looks too I think, /usr/local/themes or something like that. I went with the global option just because I don't know how to install files to the user folder. I could do what ElementaryOS does & add some script to rc.local, that's how they load docky, but that's a messy way of doing it IMO.

Gnome-tweak-tool let's you change every part of the theme, the theme selector extension only changes the shell theme.

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 06:32 PM
If you want the status icons to use your icon theme go into panelMenu.js and replace SYMBOLIC with FULLCOLOR on line 102 (with the current shell version)


SystemStatusButton.prototype = {
__proto__: Button.prototype,

_init: function(iconName,tooltipText) {
Button.prototype._init.call(this, 0.0);
this._iconActor = new St.Icon({ icon_name: iconName,
icon_type: St.IconType.FULLCOLOR,
style_class: 'system-status-icon' });
this.actor.set_child(this._iconActor);
this.setTooltip(tooltipText);
},

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 06:37 PM
No, you are correct. There is a third place it looks too I think, /usr/local/themes or something like that. I went with the global option just because I don't know how to install files to the user folder. I could do what ElementaryOS does & add some script to rc.local, that's how they load docky, but that's a messy way of doing it IMO.

Gnome-tweak-tool let's you change every part of the theme, the theme selector extension only changes the shell theme.

Okay,fair enough,but is the tweak-tool get it's info from /usr/share/themes then?
And is the theme selector only watching the ~/.themes folder?

And about the extensions.
Should they only be loaded from ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions or should they also be in /usr/share/gnome-shel/extensions?
Because when I look with lookingglass,I see a lot of extensions with the error already loaded but I don't see any location in there.
The next question would be where is lookingglass get the info it's needing from?
~/.local or /usr/share ?

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 06:45 PM
Okay,fair enough,but is the tweak-tool get it's info from /usr/share/themes then?
And is the theme selector only watching the ~/.themes folder?

And about the extensions.
Should they only be loaded from ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions or should they also be in /usr/share/gnome-shel/extensions?
Because when I look with lookingglass,I see a lot of extensions with the error already loaded but I don't see any location in there.
The next question would be where is lookingglass get the info it's needing from?
~/.local or /usr/share ?

No, the theme selector will look in both ~/.themes & /usr/share/themes .

Extensions can be located in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions or /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions, if they exist in both places it will result in an error message in looking glass, but one will load.

I'm not sure where looking glass is pulling it's info from.

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 06:52 PM
If you want the status icons to use your icon theme go into panelMenu.js and replace SYMBOLIC with FULLCOLOR on line 102 (with the current shell version)


SystemStatusButton.prototype = {
__proto__: Button.prototype,

_init: function(iconName,tooltipText) {
Button.prototype._init.call(this, 0.0);
this._iconActor = new St.Icon({ icon_name: iconName,
icon_type: St.IconType.FULLCOLOR,
style_class: 'system-status-icon' });
this.actor.set_child(this._iconActor);
this.setTooltip(tooltipText);
},


Yes,well where do I find the panelMenu?
Have no idea where that is located.

Nice Avatar BTW

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 06:59 PM
Sorry about that, /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui When you start poking around that directory you'll see just how easy it is to customize Gnome 3.0.

That's a Mogwai, really hoping that UGR adopts it.

23dornot23d
June 5th, 2011, 07:14 PM
I found when the themes and extensions were

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/themes

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions

These were where they worked as expected for a single USER to control his/her own environment.

( on a local level that works great )

__________________________________

The next is the tweak tool ( this if it works on a global level ...... )

So this seems to work in

[/usr/share/themes] is this not what UNITY and CLASSIC use though ... ?

possibly would have been better as

/usr/share/gnome-shell/themes

/usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions

To set things up globally ........ and to conform to a standard setup ......

but I do not think it should be setting things up here .... home/.themes
otherwise it then gets confusing ...... :confused:


Is the home/.themes the directory used by UNITY and the old Gnome CLASSIC ,,,,,,,, if so
I do not think these should be touched at all for or by Gnome-shell ........

Just my thoughts after reading the above ....... because it seems a little clearer now ......

But I too am just trying to get my head around ( why themes are sometimes swapping in and out .......)

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 07:23 PM
I found when the themes and extensions were

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/themes

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions

These were where they worked as expected for a single USER to control his/her own environment.

( on a local level that works great )

__________________________________

The next is the tweak tool ( this if it works on a global level ...... )

So this should just look and work in

/usr/share/themes possibly would have been better as /usr/share/gnome-shell/themes

/usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions

To set things up globally ........

but I do not think it should be setting things up here .... home/.themes
otherwise it then gets confusing ...... :confused:


Is the home/.themes the directory used by UNITY and the old Gnome CLASSIC ,,,,,,,, if so
I do not think these should be touched at all for or by Gnome-shell ........

Just my thoughts after reading the above ....... because it seems a little clearer now ......

Yes but I haven't any theme in ~/.local/share/themes hence I don't even have a folder themes over there,only the extensions folder.
I have the ~/.themes folder with my gnome-shell themes and in /usr/share/themes are a bunch of themes which are there because cbowman planted them there,at least I think he did.

But things are rather confusing,and now you mention unity and gnome-classic,I remember when I was in unity it seems to use the same icons and theme as gnome-shell did,didn't pay much attention to it,because I won't use unity,but it's confusing were what is getting the themes from.

Another little thing I was aware of,when you login unity and logout again,it seems you can't login to gnome-shell,you have to reboot,because GDM went dark colored and seems to freeze.
I open a terminal and sudo reboot,but I experienced it yesterday too,not much of a problem,but maybe good to know.
Will test this again though,to see if this happens every time.

And they didn't set it up in /usr/share/gnome-shell/themes because it was never their intention to customize anything in gnome-shell.
I remember I read something about the same experience for everybody so no theming aloud for a while.
They couldn't imagine it was quickly turned around with all the extensions and themes that came out of the blue.
So everybody who is making stuff for the shell is doing so,without a general concensus to put what were.
At least I think this has something to do with it.

23dornot23d
June 5th, 2011, 07:31 PM
These originally were the only two I ever used when we first started ......

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/themes

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions

and I had no problems at all .........

My remaining 2 systems that work best for me are still set up like this too as I never altered them ........

__________________________________________________ __________

I do think if they are consistent throughout then we can stop these problems occurring ...


To use these seems sensible to me



GLOBAL

/usr/share/gnome-shell/themes

/usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions


LOCAL

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/themes

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions


What do the code writers think ...... because they maybe know something we do not .....
or there may be reasons for not going this way ...... like old code being written that did the
best it could at the time to get things working ...........

cbowman57
June 5th, 2011, 07:41 PM
These originally were the only two I ever used when we first started ......

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/themes <<<

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions

and I had no problems at all .........

My remaining 2 systems that work best for me are still set up like this too as I never altered them ........


Interesting, can't remember if that was an optional location, or maybe I just forgot it, however I'm pretty sure fpmurphy's blog listed ~/.themes as the user location. Oh well, it works. Lot's to be discovered yet.

Well I'll be checking out until Tuesday evening, if I get a chance to pop in before then I will but I leave you guys on autopilot until then (probably). :)

23dornot23d
June 5th, 2011, 07:51 PM
Interesting, can't remember if that was an optional location, or maybe I just forgot it, however I'm pretty sure fpmurphy's blog listed ~/.themes as the user location. Oh well, it works. Lot's to be discovered yet.

Well I'll be checking out until Tuesday evening, if I get a chance to pop in before then I will but I leave you guys on autopilot until then (probably). :)


Ok take care and have fun ...... sure that sooner or later this will all come together .....


http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2011/04/gnome-shell-theme-selector-preview.html



After restarting your GNOME Shell, you should see the Themes option in the Activities overview screen. This is still beta software – so make sure you first back up $HOME/.local/share/gnome-shell/ if you have anything important that you need to preserve. Currently global custom themes are not supported, only per-user custom themes. I plan to support global custom themes in a future release in the next week or two.

Read more: http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2011/04/gnome-shell-theme-selector-preview.html#ixzz1OQgZ3RHm


He also states nothing is finalised but these were his views too



By the way, the XDG Base Directory (http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html) specification is silent on the issue of where theme data should reside. Both the user-theme extension and gnome-tweak-tool expect theme files to reside under $HOME/.themes/’THEMENAME/gnome-shell/ and expect the theme stylesheet to be named gnome-shell.css. I disagree with that location and think that GNOME Shell theme files should live under $XDG_DATA_HOME, for example, $HOME/.local/share/gnome-shell/themes, just as GNOME Shell extensions live under $HOME/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions. Let the flame wars start. I will put on my asbestos suit!

Read more: http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2011/04/gnome-shell-theme-selector-preview.html#ixzz1OQhro4XR




The main work has been done by the looks of it ......
( maybe just needs some organization in some of the directories to finish it off )

Have a good day .......

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 07:52 PM
Interesting, can't remember if that was an optional location, or maybe I just forgot it, however I'm pretty sure fpmurphy's blog listed ~/.themes as the user location. Oh well, it works. Lot's to be discovered yet.

Well I'll be checking out until Tuesday evening, if I get a chance to pop in before then I will but I leave you guys on autopilot until then (probably). :)
Have a good time and take care.

I did read fpmurphy would have some other locations used in one of his blogs,but I have to look it over to see what he meant.

But I'm pretty sure I never had a themes folder in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell just only the extensions folder.

But it seems very logical 23dornot23d is proposing.
Now get the developers of the themes and extensions to the same level.:)

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 08:12 PM
Yep,that is what I meant.
But as far as I know,it was only his opinion,and in the real world this wasn't used.

But you are right,it should be a good place to use.

Could it be that theme-selector 0.8 used that location?
I seem to remember that the location was changed with the 0.9 variant.
I didn't use the 0.8 and I'm not confident in what was changed between them,but there was something changing.

23dornot23d
June 5th, 2011, 08:17 PM
Yep you are right ..... in his themeselector file he states the places used ......



The schema must be named org.gnome.shell.extensions.user-theme.gschema.xml
and compiled using glib-compile-schemas.

Place all theme directories in $HOME/.themes/

Places extension.js and metadata.json in:

$HOME/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/themeselector@fpmurphy.com

Create the themeselector@fpmurphy.com if necessary.

Real World is never that neat and tidy though ,,,,

I am happy if it works .....

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 08:47 PM
He also wrote this,

[28 APRIL 2011] NOTE: The location of theme files and names of files as shown in this post will almost certainly change in the final version of the themeselector extension. I am working to get consensus among interested parties on a specification for GNOME Shell theme packaging and theme selectors. Once this is achieved I will update the extension and this post.



Read more: http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2011/04/gnome-shell-theme-selector-preview.html#ixzz1OQsVWxP8

In the comments I found this,which is interesting too,

John Stowers
April 28, 2011 at 8:14 pm
@fpmurphy,

the user-theme extension might be icky, and it might be rude for gnome-tweak-tool to depend on it, but IMHO the real fix is to move the user-theme extension into gnome-shell proper, thus fixing all problems. Then theme selectors like yours, and g-t-t could just change the gsettings key at will, and the shell will pick up the change.

Actually, even just moving the schema into gnome-shell would be sufficient. I suggest you file a bug, then we can discuss it with upstream there.

John

fpmurphy
April 28, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Good idea, John. Will do



Read more: http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2011/04/gnome-shell-theme-selector-preview.html#ixzz1OQuAklZq

So it might come to a good end when 1.0 comes out.

We also have to keep in mind,he's on Fedora and we are on Ubuntu.
I have used Fedora 8 years back or so,but I have no idea anymore,how and were there are differences between the system.

23dornot23d
June 5th, 2011, 09:01 PM
The thing with anything is organization .... once we start putting coffee in the Tea jar and Tea in the coffee jar

its easy for us we know where we put em ......

and we only have to look inside to find them ......

New people automatically assume that tea will be in the Tea jar

and

Coffee will be in the coffee jar ........
Still works though we can still make coffee or tea ........... and the surprise is in what you get :lolflag:

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 09:21 PM
@bulldog

Yea these extensions are driving me crazy, I just put the theme-selector one in and there so big I can't see them all and there's no scroll down and I lost the shut down in the cecil-menu.
:confused:

Have found out how to change the number of displayed themes.
Making them much smaller and you can see more themes,if you install them of course.

Go to home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions and open the themeselector@fpmurphy.com.
There you will find a file called extension.js open this with gedit,and scroll to line 176
There should be: let numColumns = 3;
Change the 3 in 4 or 5 just keep in mind this will be the amount of columns which you will see on your display,I changed it in 5
Save the file and alt-f2 r to restart gnome-shell,and look at the theme tab how it looks.

bulldog
June 5th, 2011, 09:28 PM
The thing with anything is organization .... once we start putting coffee in the Tea jar and Tea in the coffee jar

its easy for us we know where we put em ......

and we only have to look inside to find them ......

New people automatically assume that tea will be in the Tea jar

and

Coffee will be in the coffee jar ........
Still works though we can still make coffee or tea ........... and the surprise is in what you get :lolflag:

That's a very nice way to put hings....:lolflag:

23dornot23d
June 6th, 2011, 02:55 AM
As far as I can tell at this moment in time .....

These are the themes and extension directories - that appear to be the current ones used .......

Just so we know ....... which the present ones are ........

(unless of course anyone else knows different)



GLOBAL
/usr/share/themes
/usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions

LOCAL ( once these are set by a user they should take priority over the Global ones - )
home/.themes
home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions
I am going to ensure that my system now is in line with the above .... for UBUNTU .....
I have no idea if FEDORA are using the same or not .....

It may be worth checking out to see that a standard is kept .....
( But where do we look to see if this is adhered to or not ? )

cecilpierce
June 6th, 2011, 03:15 AM
@23dornot23d

Is there a place to download themes ?
Seems like you said you had 12 now and I only have 9.

23dornot23d
June 6th, 2011, 03:32 AM
There are a lot of themes on deviant art ..... for download ..... by half left (http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=half+left+Gnome+shell+themes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

But I too only have 9 at present installed ..... and only really use the TRON one anyway. (http://half-left.deviantart.com/art/GNOME-Shell-Tron-Legacy-208220836)

There are 12 themes now in C Bowmans gNatty Pack as far as I can see now on
the first page .... of this thread.

cecilpierce
June 6th, 2011, 03:54 AM
There are a lot of themes on deviant art ..... for download ..... by half left (http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=half+left+Gnome+shell+themes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

But I too only have 9 at present installed ..... and only really use the TRON one anyway. (http://half-left.deviantart.com/art/GNOME-Shell-Tron-Legacy-208220836)

There are 12 themes now in C Bowmans gNatty Pack as far as I can see now on
the first page .... of this thread.


Thanks, I'll check it out, I get tired of looking at the same thing !
:)

23dornot23d
June 6th, 2011, 04:12 AM
Must admit I like to change wallpapers and things too ......

But I keep it pretty clean looking and tidy - ish .... most of the time .... ;)

This is a screenshot of the system I work in ...... SCREENSHOT (http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8687/screenshot32q.jpg)

_________________________________________

PROBLEMS .... with the upgrades ..... this is a version that has been upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04
and then all the Gnome Shell updates added to it .......

1 .... This error - anything at all that I put into the local extensions directory ..... causes it to crash.

keith/.local/gnome-shell/extensions/(extension of any type) causes it to crash .....

2 ..... The themes no longer work ..... in it ..... themes are now just in keith/.themes

3 ..... Even though I can go back to when it all worked in a older version ......
I have no idea why this now crashes ..... the sad face that comes up gives me absolutely
no indication of what the error is ....... and also now blocks me seeing the real problem.

lg shows me that no extensions are loaded and gives one error in the error dialogue ..... it tries to
overwrite an existing directory at the start ...... but it does not tell me which one.

SCREENSHOT (http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4946/screenshot34e.jpg)

This screenshot is actually from a working Gnome-Shell and no extensions or themes are active .....
obviously once the sad face comes up it is impossible to see the cause using lg .....

Wish I could work out how people debug this ....... where are the error messages stored that give
relevance to what is going on in the java script ..... that obviously causes these problems.

I used to be be able to have two extensions that worked together ok ......
Theme selector and User themes ....

I do not really want to trash this and start again as this is my main work area ....
and production machine - and its still stable .....

Just the extensions and themes no longer work in it .....

I guess what would be useful is a list of which themes and extensions are ok to use together ......

Somebody with a uptodate/upgraded working system .... could show what files are in the 4 directories involved

home/.themes/*.*
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5104/themesr.jpg
.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/*.*
NONE IN MINE

usr/share/themes/*.*



keith@keith-laptop:/usr/share/themes$ ls
ATER-Blue Moomex-Ultimatum
ATER-Blue-Mac Murrina-Aero
ATER-Green Murrina-Tangoesque
ATER-Green-Mac MurrinaAquaIsh
ATER-Red MurrinaAzul
ATER-Red-Mac MurrinaBleu
ATER-White MurrinaBlu
ATER-White-Mac MurrinaBlue
ATER-Yellow MurrinaCandido
ATER-Yellow-Mac MurrinaCandy
AbsE MurrinaCappuccino
Adwaita MurrinaChrome
Aero MurrinaCream
Aero-NG MurrinaEalm
AgingGorilla MurrinaFancyCandy
Airborne MurrinaGilouche
Albatross MurrinaLoveGray
Alloy MurrinaNeoGraphite
Amaranth MurrinaVerdeOlivo
Ambiance Murrine-Gray
Anchos Murrine-Light
Apotheosis Murrine-Sky
Arctic MurrineRounded
Artwiz-boxed MurrineRoundedIcon
Atlanta MurrineRoundedLessFramed
Aurora MurrineRoundedLessFramedIcon
Ayunb Mythbuntu
BBstyle NOX
Bamboo Natura
Bear-Tangerine Neo
Bear-tangerine Neutronium DeepBlack
Bear2 New Wave
Black Plastic V.2 New Wave Dark Menus
Black-green Night-Impression
BlackFate Nodoka
BlackWhite Nodoka-Aqua
Bland Nodoka-Gilouche
Blended Nodoka-Looks
BlendedDoubleRound Nodoka-Midnight
BlendedSmall Nodoka-Rounded
BlendedSmallDoubleRound Nodoka-Silver
Bloohax Nodoka-Squared
Blubuntu-Aurora Nop
Blue-Joy NotXP
BlueHeart Nova-Blue
BlueNeon Nova-Gold
BlueSpace Nova-Lime
Bluecurve Nova-Pink
Bright Nuvola
BrushedMetal Nuvola-old
Carbon Nxpro
CatGloss OB-glossy
Chaos2 OSX-theme
Chris0-OSX-Black Ob-in-dustry
CleanIce Obscure
CleanIce-Dark OkayishChicken
CleanIce-Debian Oldred
CleanIce-Marble Onyx
Clearlooks Onyx-Citrus
Clearlooks-Olive Onyx-black
ClearlooksClassic Openbox-Human-Like
ColorBit Opensaw
CortlandChicken Operation
Creamy Orang
Crux Orange-LiNstaBlackPlastic
Cukoo-spit Orange-fog
Curdled Orangine
Cyclism Outdoors
Cylon Eye '72 OutlineAsh
Cylon_Eye_Dark OutlineBeach
Dark Grey '72 OutlineCoal
DarkCaramel OutlineCold
DarkWood OutlineFruity
Darker theme OutlineHot
DarkerIceMurrina OutlineWinter
Darklooks Palerider
Day Peace
Deep Peptide
Default Pixel-Elegance-1.1
Descent PixelElegance-1.1
Divinorum Planton
Divinorum-Blue QtCurve
Divinorum-Green Rabbit
Divinorum-Red Radiance
Dust Raffles
Dust Sand Raleigh
Dyne Real-milk
E17-GTK-BLUE Redmond
Ebox Seven
Elegant Brit Shiki-Brave
Elementary_Metacity_Black Shiki-Colors-Easy-Metacity
Elementary_Metacity_White Shiki-Colors-Metacity
Emacs Shiki-Colors-Striped-Metacity
Esco Shiki-Dust
Flax Shiki-Human
Fog Shiki-Illustrious
Fog-i Shiki-Noble
Fog-maths Shiki-Wine
Fog-mine Shiki-Wise
Fog-t Simple
Fresh Simple-Aubergine
Fvwmish Simple-Generic
GNOME3 Simple-Green
GSM Simple-Industrial
Galaxy Simple-Orange
Gd-fog Simple-Red
Gelb Simple-Slate
Gelb-chubby SlicknesS
GlassyBleu SlicknesS-black
Glider Slickness Brown
Glossy Smoked Glass
Glossy P Sodio
Glow Cinder Soffice Aurora
Glow Cinder Dark Soffice Aurora Compact
Glow Fire Soffice Clearlooks
Glow Fire Dark Soffice Clearlooks Compact
Glow Flower Sorbet
Glow Flower Dark SphereCrystal
Glow Grass Spiffe
Glow Grass Dark Spiffie
Glow Ice Spiffish
Glow Ice Dark Spoff
Glow Lava Squadron
Glow Lava Dark SublimeWhite
Glow Metacity Surreal
Glow Metacity Dark Syscrash
Glow Sand T-ish-Brushed
Glow Sand Dark T-ish-Brushed-Aquastyle
Glow Water T-ish-Brushed-Glass
Glow Water Dark T-ish-Brushed-bright
Gold T-ish-Brushed-bright-Aquastyle
Gorilla Taqua
Greenz Thebear
H-K-Gtk2 ThinIce
Hanso Tigris-Globalmenu
HeliX-Sweetpill-Crowberry Tigris-Normal
HighContrast Tropic
HighContrastInverse TropicBomb
Homosapien Turq
I-merry Turrican
I-merryb Ultimate Edition 2.8
Impression UltimateIII
Industrial UltimateV
IndustrialTango Ultimate_6
Inverted Unity
Isawagorilla Urbicande
Jolly Vista
Kin Wasp
Kiwi Wasp-Murrine
Kong Watercolor
Kougyoku-Black Wblue
LUX Weightless-industry
Light-industry Xfce
Loma Xfce-4.0
LowContrast Xfce-4.2
Lush Xfce-4.4
M0nst4-sky Xfce-4.6
MagicChicken Xfce-b5
Mars Xfce-basic
Mavos Xfce-cadmium
Merrycity Xfce-curve
Metabox Xfce-dawn
MetalEdition Xfce-dusk
MidnightBlackPlastic Xfce-kde2
Mikachu Xfce-kolors
MinimaLista Xfce-light
Mint Xfce-orange
Mira Xfce-redmondxp
Mirav2 Xfce-saltlake
Mire_v2_blue Xfce-smooth
Mire_v2_grey Xfce-stellar
Mire_v2_lime Xfce-winter
Mire_v2_orange Zenyellow
Mire_v2_pink aero-clone
Mist eGTK
Mist-Ashen eGTK_ubuntu
Misted keramik-Gyellow
Moblin-Netbook mcblue
Monochromatic-black quiet-purple
Moomex
keith@keith-laptop:/usr/share/themes$
usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/*.*

Mine there is no extensions folder ......
I wonder if this is the problem here ....

Its definately on my other system with usertheme@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org
in it

cecilpierce
June 6th, 2011, 04:27 AM
Must admit I like to change wallpapers and things too ......

But I keep it pretty clean looking and tidy - ish .... most of the time .... ;)

This is a screenshot of the system I work in ...... SCREENSHOT (http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8687/screenshot32q.jpg)

That's pretty cool looking, I noticed you have a speaker symbol in the dock, does your system sounds work yet ?

bulldog
June 6th, 2011, 04:48 AM
Doesn't anyone go to sleep here?:p

@cecilpierce,
Did you see my post to change the number of themes to display?

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10906003&postcount=952

cecilpierce
June 6th, 2011, 04:59 AM
Doesn't anyone go to sleep here?:p

@cecilpierce,
Did you see my post to change the number of themes to display?

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10906003&postcount=952


Oh yea! I thought I replied to it, thanks, I've been downloading more themes, some work and some look like blah !
I have 3 that are missing the "theme.json" file so I copied another and edited it and it looks pretty good (Lexinya Shell 3),
Thanks again.

23dornot23d
June 6th, 2011, 05:33 AM
@Cecil


That's pretty cool looking, I noticed you have a speaker symbol in the dock, does your system sounds work yet ?
My sound works on video etc but not heard the System Sounds ..... on this version ... yet
( this is a very old one though - that I keep upgrading )

Actually have decided to go back to the start - and just done these two commands ....
and guess what no crash and I noticed we now have system sounds too ..... no idea why
but now to put the themes back where I used to have them .... ( this may only apply to older systems )

gdebi gnome-shell-extensions-common_3.0.1-2_all.deb (https://sites.google.com/site/000menu/home/gnome---3/gnome---shell/gnome-shell-files/gnome-shell-extensions-common_3.0.1-2_all.deb?attredirects=0&d=1)
gdebi gnome-shell-extensions-user-theme_3.0.0-6.6_all.deb (https://sites.google.com/site/000menu/home/gnome---3/gnome---shell/gnome-shell-files/gnome-shell-extensions-user-theme_3.0.0-6.6_all.deb?attredirects=0&d=1)

Also used the original gNatty pack (https://sites.google.com/site/000menu/home/gnome---3/gnome---shell/gnome-shell-files/gNattyPack.tar.gz?attredirects=0&d=1) and put the files back as I originally had them now its wall working good again

home/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/( just the two files to do with themes )

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4312/themes1.jpg


now I have 12 themes that automatically get picked up too ... from .....
home/.themes

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7672/screenshot35tm.jpg

Fullsize screenshot (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3414/screenshot35z.jpg)

@ Bulldog and anyone else thats reading this early in the morning ....

Morning .... it looks like you are up very early too ...... enjoy breakfast :grin:



Doesn't anyone go to sleep here?:razz:
Lols ... when the energy drinks run out I sleep ;)

Problems to solve ..... and things to do ..... keeps the grey matter working ....
My main system is back in order now .... so time for grub too ...

I am wondering if this will work on Oneiric too as I am having the same problems there .
( 11.10 .... does not even see the extensions or themes .... in the directories above so more to do )

update ... got the themes working in Oneiric now .....
still sad face ( but usertheme@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org has a error in lg loading up twice )

got rid of that now these

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1089/screenshot18gh.jpg

Flags errors on the README and COPYING files .... that does not seem right .....
does every error on this thing cause it to crash too .... !!!

or are they like warnings ....

Has anybody found that the Tweak Tool has stopped working ?

bulldog
June 6th, 2011, 05:37 PM
All the errors you see in lg ,I have too.
If extensions are in two places like ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions and in the /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions like I have,lg will give them an error but it will not crash on this.

I did however downloaded another weather extension,and configured it to display my hometown,gnome-shell crashed,had to remove it with
the fallback mode.

The themes who seem to miss the theme.json are workin normally,so I don't know were that error comes from.

23dornot23d
June 6th, 2011, 06:27 PM
I did however downloaded another weather extension,and configured it to display my hometown,gnome-shell crashed,had to remove it with
the fallback mode.


Cheers for the information ..... glad to know the errors do not cause the crash .... on oneiric
its something in the compiled version I think that they have in the repository at the moment
really think this needs doing again .....

The weather applet too .... I did the same and added one for mine ,,,,, it looks quite good too
but it doubled up with the existing one ......

Still a way to go before we can understand how all of these applets work together .....

Will try one at a time ..... and see which work ok .....

bulldog
June 6th, 2011, 06:42 PM
If you use the extensions from the gnatty-pack,they all should work with eachother.
Cbowman has configured them to work without a problem.

But he mention some problems with some not working together.

cecilpierce
June 6th, 2011, 10:50 PM
WOW! System-sound finally :p

I had errors with some of the themes and they said metacity not gnome-shell and didnt work so I dumped them, so the ones I have all work with no errors.
I do get the first one on 23dornot23d' LS
Here is what I have for themes and extensions, what new weather extension do you guys have ?

cecilpierce
June 6th, 2011, 11:02 PM
This it the fpmurphy weather-ex and where did the directory icons come from on the left ?
I dont remember how or where they got there (old age)...

23dornot23d
June 6th, 2011, 11:18 PM
This it the fpmurphy weather-ex and where did the directory icons come from on the left ?
I dont remember how or where they got there (old age)...
Gnome Advanced Tweak tool - under preferences
to turn the Desktop ( on or off ) ...... lets you see the directory icons or not .....
on the screen ......

I often have them there ..... seems the right place for them .... but can look untidy .... thats
when I know I have to sort things out lols ... ;)

I like to see what on my desktop too ... good screenshots too -will add the same as you have to mine
the top panel is pretty full now

ok so you have these ..... and all look uptodate by the dates next to them ... so I will load the same

MOVECLOCK
Alternative--s
Eureka
Lookingglass
Themeselector
Weather



looks good .....



WOW! System-sound finally :razz:
How did you get your sound working ..... ?

aeronutt
June 6th, 2011, 11:56 PM
When I try to install v2, it's hanging prior to any options. I've downloaded the .iso twice, and it doesn't match the check sum on the torrent page: a1f18c13a081e0d76e22327bfe95efd8cd07250e

Is this the right md5sum for the iso?

Anyone? I'm still unable to install v2, and the md5sum I get doesn't match the one advertised. Is the advertised md5sum correct for the v2 iso?
a1f18c13a081e0d76e22327bfe95efd8cd07250e

23dornot23d
June 7th, 2011, 12:58 AM
Anyone? I'm still unable to install v2, and the md5sum I get doesn't match the one advertised. Is the advertised md5sum correct for the v2 iso?
a1f18c13a081e0d76e22327bfe95efd8cd07250e

I meant to reply to this last time but was on the wrong computer .....

When I downloaded it - I never saw the md5 and just burnt it ...... but will make an effort to
use k3b to see what it was on the disk that I successfully downloaded ....

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3179/k3b1.jpg

4657256725681715f9c96c19696ef07a

is what I see on mine ...... using K3b

bulldog
June 7th, 2011, 03:50 PM
@23dornot23d

Yes,I've got the same Md5Sum,so it should be the right one.

Please,read the README prior to the install,and follow up the suggestions.

Otherwise there could things go wrong!

bulldog
June 7th, 2011, 04:36 PM
Nice system-monitor extension,much more configurable as the 'old' one.

http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/gnome-shell-system-monitor-extension.html

cecilpierce
June 7th, 2011, 11:24 PM
Funny thing happening, I lost my alt+f2 gagget, my clock says 2:02PM and its really 6:02 even after I set it, and last but far from least I tried weather@venemo.net and it was hell on wheels ! The only thing it showed was a big cloud and the partial word "Mos" (Mostly Cloudy) when you click on it and no temp !!!
So back to weather@fpmurphy.com and gona reboot and see if the clock cools down and google the f2 thing...

@23dornot23d
Did you ever get sys sounds working ? I went to synaptic and searched for pulse and added a couple of lib files that seemed like they might do something and there was a lot of updates so I don't know if the files I added help or the updates.
I don't hear a lot but login gives me a couple of bonks and the vol control bleeps when I change the slider and a couple error msgs sounds.

23dornot23d
June 7th, 2011, 11:42 PM
@23dornot23d
Did you ever get sys sounds working ? I went to synaptic and searched for pulse and added a couple of lib files that seemed like they might do something and there was a lot of updates so I don't know if the files I added help or the updates.
I don't hear a lot but login gives me a couple of bonks and the vol control bleeps when I change the slider and a couple error msgs sounds.
Mine is working now .. thanks .. and similar it makes the odd bonk sound now and then. ;)

All my systems are now running well again .....

Only the one does not have the Tweak-Tool-Working ..... and I have tried many things to get it back again ..... its the only one I upgraded from 10.04 .... through to 11.04 ..... ( funny all the others are test versions as such - and the main one is causing me a problem .... that's life I guess )

The other installs have all been clean installs 11.04 .... and two are now on 11.10 with
KDE ..... as that is the only thing that seems to get 11.10 up to speed and working well
for me.

All good fun .....
I have conky running now in a moveable transparent window on Gnome Shell which is quite good .... thing is I dare not upgrade this version .... 245 packages needed according to the readout ....

( battery reads 0 but should be 100% ... its on mains though - don't know if that makes a difference - guess I might as well remove this )

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/48/gnome8.jpg



Funny thing happening, I lost my alt+f2
That happened to me too .... and the earlier versions I have still are ok ..... it works fine .

There is a fix in the keyboard settings .... you can reset ALT+F2 back up again .

cecilpierce
June 8th, 2011, 01:08 AM
@23dornot23d

Well I got alt-f2 fix with sys-settings>keyboard>shortcuts>system>show the run command and hit alt+f2.
I see your clock is right, mine still 4 hours behind.

I like your conky gizmo, Ill have to try that if I can get my dang clock working, maybe I forgot to wind it ???
:lolflag:

cbowman57
June 8th, 2011, 01:25 AM
All the errors you see in lg ,I have too.
If extensions are in two places like ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions and in the /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions like I have,lg will give them an error but it will not crash on this.

I did however downloaded another weather extension,and configured it to display my hometown,gnome-shell crashed,had to remove it with
the fallback mode.

The themes who seem to miss the theme.json are workin normally,so I don't know were that error comes from.

Hey guys, the themes missing the themes.json are metacity themes, though looking glass shows them missing neither gnome-tweak-tool or the theme@slector extension need them, must be something built into the shell but only apply to the shell themes, at least for now.

cbowman57
June 8th, 2011, 01:31 AM
This it the fpmurphy weather-ex and where did the directory icons come from on the left ?
I dont remember how or where they got there (old age)...

The directory icons are toggled on when you have the file manager manage the desktop.

The weather display is somehow affected by the user-themes extension, the large icons in your top panel are the result of either user-themes or theme@selector extensions, or both. I've told fpmurphy about that but it must just be an Ubuntu thing.

23dornot23d
June 8th, 2011, 02:24 AM
Hey guys, the themes missing the themes.json are metacity themes, though looking glass shows them missing neither gnome-tweak-tool or the theme@slector extension need them, must be something built into the shell but only apply to the shell themes, at least for now.

Have you worked out how to determine a serious error from just a warning on this
as it does not seem to let me know what causes the sad face on the Oneiric versions .....



I see your clock is right, mine still 4 hours behind.

I like your conky gizmo, Ill have to try that if I can get my dang clock working, maybe I forgot to wind it ???
:lolflag:
This command usually solves my local time settings ......

dpkg --configure tzdata

cecilpierce
June 8th, 2011, 02:47 AM
This command usually solves my local time settings ......

dpkg --configure tzdata

[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I am finally back in the future time zone.

Look what I found in the bottom right hand corner, wonder where that came from, never notice it before.

The purple thing only shows a cloud no temp unless you click to get the menu.

cbowman57
June 8th, 2011, 05:40 AM
fpmurphy came up with another nice extension while I was away, it autohides the top panel. Check out his file repository http://www.fpmurphy.com/gnome-shell-extensions/

cbowman57
June 8th, 2011, 06:19 AM
@23dornot23d; how did you get conky to display? I'm trying to run a conky script but there's nothing on the desktop, though system monitor shows that it's running.

cbowman57
June 8th, 2011, 07:20 AM
4657256725681715f9c96c19696ef07a

is what I see on mine ...... using K3b

That's what I get as well.

23dornot23d
June 8th, 2011, 12:52 PM
@23dornot23d; how did you get conky to display? I'm trying to run a conky script but there's nothing on the desktop, though system monitor shows that it's running.

I will post the .conkyrc

Before anybody uses this install conky

sudo apt-get install conky conky-all




##################################
## Based on the VinDSL | rev. 11-04-07 17:38 ##
##################################
## ##
##################################

## íPLEASE READ THE FINE PRINT! ##

####
## Development Platforms (optional)
#
# Ubuntu 11.04 'Natty Narwhal'

####
## Prerequisites (required)
#
# conky-all 1.8.0 or 1.8.1
# conkyForecast 2.16 or newer
# Weather.com XML Data Feed (XOAP)
# UTF-8 Compatible Text Editor

####
## Installed fonts (required)
#
# ConkyWeather (Stanko Metodiev)
# ConkyWindNESW (Stanko Metodiev)
# Cut Outs for 3D FX (Fonts & Things)
# Droid Font Family (Google Android SDK)
# Moon Phases (Curtis Clark)
# OpenLogos (Icoma)
# PizzaDude Bullets (Jakob Fischer)
# Radio Space (Iconian Fonts)
# StyleBats (Vinterstille)
# Ubuntu Font Family (Canonical Ltd)
# Ubuntu Title Bold (Paulo Silva)
# Weather (Jonathan Macagba)

####
## Use XFT? Required to Force UTF8 (see below)
#
use_xft yes
xftfont DroidSans:size=8.75
xftalpha 0.1

####
## Force UTF8? Requires XFT (see above)
## Displays degree symbol, instead of ┬░, etc.
#
override_utf8_locale yes
######################
# - Conky settings - #
######################
update_interval 2
total_run_times 0
net_avg_samples 1
cpu_avg_samples 1

imlib_cache_size 0
double_buffer yes
no_buffers yes

format_human_readable

#####################
# - Text settings - #
#####################
use_xft yes
xftfont Droid Sans:size=10
override_utf8_locale yes
text_buffer_size 3048

#############################
# - Window specifications - #
#############################
#own_window_class Conky
own_window yes
own_window_type normal
own_window_argb_visual yes
own_window_argb_value 180
#own_window_colour 000000
own_window_transparent yes
own_window_hints below,sticky,skip_taskbar

alignment top_right
gap_x 12
gap_y 45
minimum_size 280 718
maximum_width 280

default_bar_size 60 8

#########################
# - Graphics settings - #
#########################
draw_shades no
#draw_borders yes
#border_width 1
#border_inner_margin 10
#draw_graph_borders yes
draw_outline no

default_color 000000 #(SYSTEM, NETWORK, MEDIA PLAYER, etc)

color0 000000 #symbol(calender, cpu, etc)
color yellow FF0000 #parameter(Process, %cpu, etc)
color white 000000 #name (process name, kernel name, song name, etc)

#####
## Load Lua for shading (optional)
## Set the path to your script here.
#
lua_load ~/scripts/draw_bg.lua
lua_draw_hook_pre draw_bg

####
## Load Lua for bargraphs (required)
## Set the path to your script here.
#
lua_load ~/.conky/bargraph_small.lua
lua_draw_hook_post main_bars


TEXT
${color white}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}SYSTEM $stippled_hr${font}
##############
# - SYSTEM - #
##############
${color white}${voffset 6}${font OpenLogos:size=19}u${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color white}${goto 34}${voffset -14}Kernel: ${alignr}${color white}${kernel}${color}
${goto 34}Uptime: ${alignr}${color white}${uptime}${color}
# |--UPDATES
${goto 34}Updates: ${alignr}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color yellow}${execi 360 aptitude search "~U" | wc -l | tail}${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10} ${color white}Packages${color}
: ${image /home/keith/Desktop/1.jpeg -p 0,20 -s 280x280}
${color white}${font Terminus:style=bold:size=12}Nvidia 9300 GS Temp: $alignr ${nvidia temp}C
# |--BATTERY
#${color light blue}${font Poky:size=13}E${font}${color light blue}${goto 34}${voffset -5}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}Battery: ${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color yellow}${battery_percent BAT0}%${color}${font} ${alignr}${color white}${battery_bar BAT0}${color}
# |--MEM
${color light blue}${font Poky:size=16}M${font}${color}${goto 34}${voffset -7}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}RAM: ${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color yellow}$memperc%${color}${font}
${offset 1}${voffset 2}${color0}${membar 4,18}${color}${goto 34}${voffset -2}F: ${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color white}${memeasyfree}${color}${font} U: ${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color white}${mem}${color}${font}
##################################
## PROCESSORS ##
##################################
${color light blue}
${font Terminus:style=bold:size=11}PROCESSORS $hr
CPU1: ${cpu cpu1}% ${cpubar cpu1}
CPU2: ${cpu cpu2}% ${cpubar cpu2}
# |--PROC
${voffset 2}${color0}${font Poky:size=15}a${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color}${goto 34}${voffset -10}Processes: ${alignr 14}CPU${alignr}RAM
${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=9}${voffset -1}${goto 37}${color white}${top name 1}${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color yellow} ${goto 148}${top cpu 1}${alignr }${top mem 1}
${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=9}${voffset -1}${goto 37}${color white}${top name 2}${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color yellow} ${goto 148}${top cpu 2}${alignr }${top mem 2}
${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=9}${voffset -1}${goto 37}${color white}${top name 3}${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color yellow} ${goto 148}${top cpu 3}${alignr }${top mem 3}
${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=9}${voffset -1}${goto 37}${color white}${top name 4}${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color yellow} ${goto 148}${top cpu 4}${alignr }${top mem 4}
${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=9}${voffset -1}${goto 37}${color white}${top name 5}${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color yellow} ${goto 148}${top cpu 5}${alignr }${top mem 5}
${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=9}${voffset -1}${goto 37}${color white}${top name 6}${color}${font Droid Sans:style=Bold:size=10}${color yellow} ${goto 148}${top cpu 6}${alignr }${top mem 6}
##################################
## CALENDAR ##
##################################
${voffset 4}${font DroidSans:bold:size=8}${color white}DATE${offset 8}${color8}${voffset }${hr }${font}
${voffset 6}${font DroidSansMono:size=7.55}${color3}${alignc 100}${time %A}${font}
${voffset -4}${if_match ${time %e}<=9}${font DroidSansFallback:bold:size=18}${color5}${alignc 85}${time %e}${font}${else}${if_match ${time %e}>=10}${font DroidSansFallback:bold:size=18}${color5}${alignc 100}${time %e}${endif}${endif}${font}
${voffset 0}${font DroidSansMono:size=7.55}${color3}${alignc 100}${time %B}${font}
${voffset 0}${font DroidSansMono:size=7.6}${color3}${alignc 100}${time %Y}${font}
####
## Uncomment for Conky 1.8.0
${voffset -75}${font DroidSansMono:size=10.55}${color3}
${execpi 100 VinDSL_Cal_8=`date +%-d`; cal -h | sed -e '1d' -e s/^/"\$\{offset 100"\}/ -e 's/\<'"$VinDSL_Cal_8"'\>/${color white}&${color3}/'}${font}
: ${image /home/keith/Desktop/1.jpeg -p 0,600 -s 280x240}
##################################
## TIME ##
##################################
${voffset 6}${font DroidSans:bold:size=8}${color white}TIME${offset 8}${color8}${voffset -2}${hr 2}${font}
${voffset -4}${font RadioSpace:size=32}${color3}${if_match ${time %l}<=9}${alignc 7}${time %l:%M%p}${else}${if_match ${time %l}>=10}${alignc -1}${time %l:%M%p}${endif}${endif}${font}
Also I have a image in here sometimes using this line and having the image on my Desktop as 1.jpeg
if its not there it still runs ok though .... as I found out .....
( but its maybe best to remove the 2 lines if you do not need them - placement was top or bottom )
image size wants to be 280 x 240 pixels ..... if you have one .... and jpeg extension.

: ${image /home/keith/Desktop/1.jpeg -p 0,600 -s 280x240}

Where its highlighted in red refers to this additional program .....

I used the scripts directory for the darker background ...... and changed the red
highlighted text to suit ..... ( if you do not need a darker background then leave as is )
(~/scripts/draw_bg.lua)

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3057/screenshot1vd.jpg

FULLSIZE SCREENSHOT ( This is in CLASSIC mode ... but I can switch to UNITY or GNOME SHELL ) (http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/1627/screenshot1vi.jpg)

FULLSIZE SCREENSHOT GNOME SHELL (http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8963/screenshot3be.jpg)


mkdir scripts
cd scripts
gedit draw_bg.lua

lua_load ~/scripts/draw_bg.lua



--[[ Background by londonali1010 (2009)
VinDSL Background Hack (2010-2011)

This script draws a background to the Conky window. It covers the whole of the Conky window, but you can specify rounded corners, if you wish.

To call this script in Conky, use (assuming you have saved this script to ~/scripts/):
lua_load ~/scripts/draw_bg.lua
lua_draw_hook_pre draw_bg

Changelog:
+ v3.0 VinDSL Hack (01.28.2011) Killed memory leak.
+ v2.4 VinDSL Hack (01.25.2011) Declared all variables in local.
+ v2.3 VinDSL Hack (12.31.2010) Added shading example(s).
+ v2.2 VinDSL Hack (12.30.2010) Cleaned up the code a bit.
+ v2.1 VinDSL Hack (12.24.2010) Added cairo destroy function(s).
+ v2.0 VinDSL Hack (12.21.2010) Added height adjustment variable.
+ v1.0 Original release (07.10.2009)

]]

--------------START OF PARAMETERS ------------
-- Change these settings to affect your background:

-- "corner_r" is the radius, in pixels, of the rounded corners. If you don't want rounded corners, use 0.

local corner_r = 0

-- Set the colour and transparency (alpha) of your background (0.00 - 0.99).

-- (Light Shading Example)
-- local bg_colour = 0x4d4d4d
-- local bg_alpha = 0.50

-- (Medium Shading Example)
-- local bg_colour = 0x222222
-- local bg_alpha = 0.50

-- (Dark Shading Example)
-- local bg_colour = 0x000000
-- local bg_alpha = 0.50

local bg_colour = 0x000000
local bg_alpha = 0.50

-- Tweaks the height of your background, in pixels. If you don't need to adjust the height, use 0.

-- (Default Setting)
-- local vindsl_hack_height = 0

local vindsl_hack_height = 20
---------------END OF PARAMETERS -------------

require 'cairo'
local cs, cr = nil

local function rgb_to_r_g_b(colour,alpha)
return ((colour / 0x10000) % 0x100) / 255., ((colour / 0x100) % 0x100) / 255., (colour % 0x100) / 255., alpha
end

function conky_draw_bg()
if conky_window == nil then return end
if cs == nil then cairo_surface_destroy(cs) end
if cr == nil then cairo_destroy(cr) end
local w = conky_window.width
local h = conky_window.height
local v = vindsl_hack_height
local cs = cairo_xlib_surface_create(conky_window.display, conky_window.drawable, conky_window.visual, conky_window.width, conky_window.height)
local cr = cairo_create(cs)

cairo_move_to(cr,corner_r,0)
cairo_line_to(cr,w-corner_r,0)
cairo_curve_to(cr,w,0,w,0,w,corner_r)
cairo_line_to(cr,w,h+v-corner_r)
cairo_curve_to(cr,w,h+v,w,h+v,w-corner_r,h+v)
cairo_line_to(cr,corner_r,h+v)
cairo_curve_to(cr,0,h+v,0,h+v,0,h+v-corner_r)
cairo_line_to(cr,0,corner_r)
cairo_curve_to(cr,0,0,0,0,corner_r,0)
cairo_close_path(cr)

cairo_set_source_rgba(cr,rgb_to_r_g_b(bg_colour,bg _alpha))
cairo_fill(cr)

cairo_surface_destroy(cs)
cairo_destroy(cr)
end


dont forget you need conky so :-


sudo apt-get install conky conky-all

Then just type in a terminal .....

conky

You may need to alter this a bit ...... some things are not working on a fresh setup
but it does run ......

Can also see why the battery report is not working .... ( so have commented it out now )

SCREENSHOT (http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7364/screenshot5xfp.jpg)

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2453/00000conky.jpg

seems ok now ..... just do not put on a white background ...... its meant for a dark one .....



That's what I get as well md5sum

4657256725681715f9c96c19696ef07a gNatty Gnome i686 v2 Live.iso
Good to know it matches .... hope that Aeronutt got it to work ok .....

cecilpierce
June 8th, 2011, 01:05 PM
fpmurphy came up with another nice extension while I was away, it autohides the top panel. Check out his file repository http://www.fpmurphy.com/gnome-shell-extensions/

Which one is it ?

23dornot23d
June 8th, 2011, 01:12 PM
Which one is it ?


Hi Cecil
Looks like it will be this one ...... but I have not tried it yet

autohidetopbar-1.0.tar.gz (http://www.fpmurphy.com/gnome-shell-extensions/autohidetopbar-1.0.tar.gz)
07-Jun-2011 17:53 1.9K Demonstrate how to autohide top bar

sanderd17
June 8th, 2011, 01:49 PM
@cbowman57: I have a request for you:

I'm downloading the iso right now, but I don't know what I'm downloading. The first post seems a bit scary with broken links and a screen shot that is probably not the default interface.

Could you please divide your post in separate sections like "installation", "troubleshooting", "download links" and could you also tell what elements the default installation got from Gnome3 vanilla and what elements from Ubuntu? e.g. does it have ayatana scrollbars? Ambiance/Radiance theme?

cecilpierce
June 8th, 2011, 02:07 PM
Hi Cecil
Looks like it will be this one ...... but I have not tried it yet

autohidetopbar-1.0.tar.gz (http://www.fpmurphy.com/gnome-shell-extensions/autohidetopbar-1.0.tar.gz)
07-Jun-2011 17:53 1.9K Demonstrate how to autohide top bar

Thanks Keith, I didn't see that, I must have had an old link :D

cbowman57
June 8th, 2011, 03:32 PM
@cbowman57: I have a request for you:

I'm downloading the iso right now, but I don't know what I'm downloading. The first post seems a bit scary with broken links and a screen shot that is probably not the default interface.

Could you please divide your post in separate sections like "installation", "troubleshooting", "download links" and could you also tell what elements the default installation got from Gnome3 vanilla and what elements from Ubuntu? e.g. does it have ayatana scrollbars? Ambiance/Radiance theme?

I got rid of the dead link, the rest seem to be working. I'm assuming you're downloading v2, in which case it contains everything to make it look & act like the screenshot, minus the wallpaper in a matter of a few minutes, there are a couple glitches but the installation notes included should cover the procedure. As far as Unity, it has everything that a regular 11.04 installation comes with. I'm assuming that's what you mean when you ask about ayatana scrollbars & Amdiance/Radiance themes?

If you'd like to submit a better version of post #1 I'll be gad to put it up there. My organizational skills when I write leave something to be desired sometimes.

23dornot23d
June 8th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Has anybody else noticed that when the error and the sad face comes up ......

Everything appears to run normally ........ but the System Cannot Recover according to the
message it shows ..... !!! .....

I ran two applications up using ctrl+f2 ..... from cairo-dock ..... guess what they work .... !!!

( serious problems - the system cannot recover .... so let me know why .... and we can maybe
work out a solution to it ..... where do we look to solve this ....... the error message is so descriptive
was it generated from the kernel - javascript - a C program .... temperature controls .... disk writing errors
I seem to see nothing that is so a miss ....... never had linux ever stop me from recovering in all my years
using it other than a total crash ....... and I am trying to think back to one of those ...... )

Yet this message I have seen 20 to 30 times in the last week ,,, and if its so serious .....
why am I not seeing more information about it ......

Where are they making this ERROR MESSAGE come from .... ?

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9250/errorjh.jpg

Because on dual sceen they can not block me seeing what is going on ..... and CONKY
shows that everything is running just fine for me .......

SCREENSHOT - UNITY (http://imageshack.us/f/848/screenshot8fj.png/)

( Weird - now why does this Error Message try to block the whole screen and give little information as to why ....... !!! :confused: ...... its not attempting to give any clues ....... """" )

One more question is why can I run all the systems ok that I never upgraded ........
A week ago this stupid screen started to appear and there are no explanations for it
or follow ups to it .......... me smells something and its not roses ........

Not at all what I would expect .......

( I ran two applications up and dropped back into Gnome-shell (http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2316/screenshot9ol.jpg) )

Gnome-Shell runs with the applications still running .... so how can we track down this
has anybody seen any write ups or explanations for it ..... ?

I need to Google search on >>>>>>

Oh no ! Something has gone wrong (http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Oh+no+%21+Something+has+gone+wrong&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

I found this announcement LINK for FEDORA (http://fossplanet.com/f13/public-service-announcement-re-oh-no-something-has-gone-wrongscreen-gnome-3-a-127032/)
but that should not effect us too should it ?

Gnome3 Team LINK (https://lists.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/msg00293.html)

cbowman57
June 8th, 2011, 03:58 PM
Has anybody else noticed that when the error and the sad face comes up ......

Everything appears to run normally ........ but the System Cannot Recover according to the
message it shows ..... !!! .....

Where are they making this ERROR MESSAGE come from .... ?

Because on dual sceen they can not block me seeing what is going on ..... and CONKY
shows that everything is running just fine for me .......

SCREENSHOT - UNITY (http://imageshack.us/f/848/screenshot8fj.png/)

( Weird - now why does this Error Message try to block the whole screen and give little information as to why ....... !!! :confused: ...... its not attempting to give any clues ....... """" )

One more question is why can I run all the systems ok that I never upgraded ........
A week ago this stupid screen started to appear and there are no explanations for it
or follow ups to it .......... me smells something and its not roses ........

Not at all what I would expect .......

Other than the initial crashes due to configuring extensions I haven't had any crashes. Does that just happen in Unity? I just left Unity in the mix to be doubly sure I didn't break any dependencies. Other than installation I haven't used it so I can't verify what you're seeing. Do you think it might have something to do with the dual display?

23dornot23d
June 8th, 2011, 04:37 PM
Other than the initial crashes due to configuring extensions I haven't had any crashes. Does that just happen in Unity? I just left Unity in the mix to be doubly sure I didn't break any dependencies. Other than installation I haven't used it so I can't verify what you're seeing. Do you think it might have something to do with the dual display?


Nope more than likely something I do ...... as I use emerald in UNITY ..... looking at this last
log ......

syslog and kernel log .... look like this ....



Jun 8 17:32:15 keith-MS-7181 kernel: [ 6004.309671] emerald[13329]: segfault at 0 ip 008687f6 sp bfce0098 error 4 in libdecoration.so.0.0.0[866000+7000]
Jun 8 17:32:23 keith-MS-7181 ntpdate[13324]: adjust time server 91.189.94.4 offset 0.010353 sec
Will try removing Emerald and see if I still get the problems ........ it was added in a few of my systems
but the Oneiric one does the same and I did not add emerald to that one ...... if this is the problem

That sad face does my head in as it gives no clues ...... very unlike Linux ...... ( more like Windows ... )


Not emerald .....removed it ...cold boot .....and it still gives the sad face as I swap to Unity ....
everything seems to be ok though .... other than the sad face ......

...... last log in kernel .... looks ok ..... now

Anybody know what is going on ..... or where we even start looking .... where does the sad face get
generated from ? Oh no ! Something has gone wrong (http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Oh+no+%21+Something+has+gone+wrong&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
(its only happening here when I swap across into UNITY using UNITY --REPLACE)

Is this error just generated as a Gnome Shell errror message ? .....
or is it system wide .... ?

By the way Gnome Shell works 100 % ....... as far as I can see .......




Do you think it might have something to do with the dual display?
Nope this is happening on my other computer too - in a clean install of 11.10
with the Gnome-Shell added to it from their fresh repository ( its single display on that computer ) ......

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9250/errorjh.jpg

but there are no other clues ..... as far as I can see ...... a sad face is the clue .....we go from there !!!!! :lolflag: This could become LINUX BSOD ( Blue Smile of Death )

bulldog
June 8th, 2011, 05:45 PM
I've seen that picture too,I can reproduce it at will [at least I think I can].
When I was setting my theme up,and looking for a GTK and metacity theme,I reloaded the shell frequently in a short periode of time.
That's when I get the error message.
If I wait a little longer before reloading the shell,it mostly doesn't appear.

But just for the fun,try reloading the shell several times in a minute and see if it happens.

As far as unity concerns,I noticed when I logged out the shell and into unity and back to the shell again,it won't work well.
You can use the login screen,but after hitting enter,the whole screen darkens and the system seems to hang,I have to reboot through a terminal.

As I think about something you're writing, 'unity --replace' is that even possible?
As I think gnome-shell uses gnome 3.0 packages and unity 2.3.
So I think you have to logout and back in again to get unity working,and I think the problem I have is the same only I have to go from 2.3 to 3.0 which isn't working at all.

cbowman57
June 8th, 2011, 06:04 PM
I know I've heard a lot of complaints about the new compiz being problematic. But I don't think Unity will run with the old version.

23dornot23d
June 8th, 2011, 06:20 PM
But just for the fun,try reloading the shell several times in a minute and see if it happens.

As far as unity concerns,I noticed when I logged out the shell and into unity and back to the shell again,it won't work well.
You can use the login screen,but after hitting enter,the whole screen darkens and the system seems to hang,I have to reboot through a terminal.
Will try this .....

( I have had slow starts and logouts .....
I removed ubuntuone though and cured most of it - especially the long logout times )



As I think about something you're writing, 'unity --replace' is that even possible?
As I think gnome-shell uses gnome 3.0 packages and unity 2.3.


I can switch between both as long as I drop Gnome-shell back to using Gnome 2.3

I have set the Themes up and as on here - I know the processes are working .... even with the BSOD
there ..... if you manage to see it as many times as I have over the past week you start asking
why is it so uninformative .... why is there no link from it ..... what is it telling us ..... ?

( thing is Gnome Shell seems to time out in 11.10 ..... count to 30 and we get the BSOD )
I can switch between them in 11.10 too .... thing is I have not got the shell working correctly
in there yet ..... and that stupid BSOD drives me mad as it tells me nothing .......

If you click to go on my homepage here (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=953253)..... I sort of keep a record of where I am now and
what I am doing ..... like as quick notepad diary for me ......

But it comes in handy as other people often encounter similar problems or need similar solutions .... so it jogs my memory .......

But I have been quite happily swapping between the two ..... as long as I do not hit the update/upgrade button ......

If I do I can guarantee that Blue smiling face ...... :confused: and I want to know how to find it.
it may get a make over ..... as I do not like sad ......

(I still use Cairo-Dock though as on my stupid Orion TV the top half inch is not visible.)

Gnome Shell to me is brilliant ..... and with all the extensions it has become a really good full system
works very well on my desktop machine.



I know I've heard a lot of complaints about the new compiz being problematic. But I don't think Unity will run with the old version.
As you say the newer one seems to be more of a problem now ....

Maybe I will try to drop compiz back to the older one ... for the Oneiric version I am trying out.

Some things I did with earlier versions of this ......

I made a couple of videos before (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGtRZDPzops) to show that this will work ok .....
as there was a lot of miss information being spread on the Forum ... as far as I could tell
Because knowing both were working fine on my system and monitoring temperatures and processes
I could see what was happening ..... and the way it worked best was actually from UNITY into GNOME-SHELL
and back again ..... surprised me too .....
( The other way from Gnome Shell into UNITY and lots more memory usage and CPU usage was encountered .....
as UNITY seems to use around double that of Gnome Shell )

This one is ages old and on dual monitor too ... LINK VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OYeXE85QuM)

and now it is true to some extent as the BSOD makes it so ....... it would be nice to know what triggers it though.


Here is a new VIDEO .... did this just now (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WRa-EdHp7M) ...... includes conky running and the Gtk record my desktop writes to
disk as I do it ......

sanderd17
June 8th, 2011, 07:58 PM
I got rid of the dead link, the rest seem to be working. I'm assuming you're downloading v2, in which case it contains everything to make it look & act like the screenshot, minus the wallpaper in a matter of a few minutes, there are a couple glitches but the installation notes included should cover the procedure. As far as Unity, it has everything that a regular 11.04 installation comes with. I'm assuming that's what you mean when you ask about ayatana scrollbars & Amdiance/Radiance themes?

If you'd like to submit a better version of post #1 I'll be gad to put it up there. My organizational skills when I write leave something to be desired sometimes.

I'll do it tomorrow I think, for now I also get that "oh no! Something has gone wrong" face. But I get it because of the extensions. Every time I try to move the backup of the extensions back to the original place, I get that face.

cbowman57
June 8th, 2011, 08:13 PM
I'll do it tomorrow I think, for now I also get that "oh no! Something has gone wrong" face. But I get it because of the extensions. Every time I try to move the backup of the extensions back to the original place, I get that face.

Instead of locating them back to the global location, try ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions & activate them one at a time until the culprit is discovered. I'm not really certain why the shell won't boot the first time with extensions activated. It must be something to do with initializing the shell for the first time.

I tried tidying up that first post a little more after your suggestion but if you have a clearer concept I'd be happy to adopt it.

Great having your participation, I hope you enjoy exploring Gnome 3.0 on ubuntu with the rest of us. :)

sanderd17
June 8th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Instead of locating them back to the global location, try ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions & activate them one at a time until the culprit is discovered. I'm not really certain why the shell won't boot the first time with extensions activated. It must be something to do with initializing the shell for the first time.

I tried tidying up that first post a little more after your suggestion but if you have a clearer concept I'd be happy to adopt it.

Great having your participation, I hope you enjoy exploring Gnome 3.0 on ubuntu with the rest of us. :)

My problem seems to be the extension Applications_Menu@rmy.pobox.com

when testing the different extensions, I also got bugged by the "random" message. For me, it happened each time just after the second restart.

The first post is a lot better, certainly the difference you made between v1 and v2 is good. Thanks

Btw, I have already explored Gnome3 with OpenSuse, I really like Gnome3, but I missed the Ubuntu package management. This is an ideal solution for me.

cbowman57
June 8th, 2011, 09:04 PM
My problem seems to be the extension Applications_Menu@rmy.pobox.com

when testing the different extensions, I also got bugged by the "random" message. For me, it happened each time just after the second restart.

That seems to be a persistent "bug", after using alt+f2 & r a few times it crashes & forces a logout. Is that what you're referring to?



The first post is a lot better, certainly the difference you made between v1 and v2 is good. ThanksSometimes I just need a shove to get the basics taken care of. Glad it's somewhat improved. :)


Btw, I have already explored Gnome3 with OpenSuse, I really like Gnome3, but I missed the Ubuntu package management. This is an ideal solution for me.That was my experience as well, I dabble a lot but always migrate back to Ubuntu, even with LMDE, my Debian was slowly turning into Ubuntu. Decided to quit fighting it & go with the flow. Learning how to effectively use a new DE is enough without throwing in a whole new distro on top of it. This way I can focus on Gnome 3.0 shell, not yum, or pacman, etc...

Overall I am quite pleased with the way gnome shell runs on ubuntu, especially considering the current state of development.

You're probably already familiar with fpmurphy's extensions but if the applications menu continues to cause problems you might want to check out his all-in-one solution called eureka. It may cause some display problems but you can work around them by disabling the theme@selector & possibly user-themes extensions.
http://blog.fpmurphy.com/

sanderd17
June 8th, 2011, 09:08 PM
That seems to be a persistent "bug", after using alt+f2 & r a few times it crashes & forces a logout. Is that what you're referring to?


Yep, it's this I'm referring to.

aeronutt
June 8th, 2011, 11:29 PM
....

4657256725681715f9c96c19696ef07a

is what I see on mine ...... using K3b

Ok, so my iso is not corrupted. Maybe I don't understand the instructions correctly. Here's what I'm doing:

install .iso onto a USB using 'startup disk creator'
Boot USB.

It then hangs at the 'blue stripped' login screen, but I only get the screen, no login info, text entry box, etc. Only a blue screen.