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Hedgehog1
April 28th, 2011, 04:33 AM
Thinking about installing Natty? Not sure how you will deal with a new UI? You don't have to use the New UI!

Natty offers 3 UI options at login:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8084/loginoptions.png

Ubuntu Classic (No Effects)

This is the stripped-down 'race car' version of the UI. It is very fast, and is a very good choice for systems with fewer resources or power users that just want to work very quickly:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5876/nt01classicmenu.png

Ubuntu Classic

If you love Compiz, the Desktop Cube and Wobbly windows, then Ubuntu Classic is for you. You can use CCSM to setup the effects that make your non-Ubuntu friends jealous:

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/1171/nt01classiceffects.png

Ubuntu (Unity)

You can still try Unity whenever you want by logging out of your 'Classic' mode, and logging into 'Ubuntu' (Unity) mode:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1033/nt01unitymenu.png

To help you use Unity better, here are a few basic tips.

System Settings are now a found in the 'Power/Log Out' menu:

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7027/nattysystemsetting.png

Right Click on the icons in the launcher for more options (options vary depending on the icon):

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9641/ntapplications.png

You can use CCSM to change the Launcher Icon size and the transparency of the top panel:

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/558/ntchangeiconssize.png

The Workspace Switcher uses the 'Desktop Wall' format. You can drag windows from one workspace to another right here:

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/4014/ntworkspaceswitcher.png

Hedgehog1
April 28th, 2011, 04:34 AM
When you use an application full screen, the launcher gets out of your way by moving to the left. To get it back, move your mouse to the left edge of the screen.

Another method to get the launcher to appear without using the mouse is to press the 'Windows' key (known in Linux as the 'Super' key or on the Mac as the 'Apple' key):

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/143/windowskey.png

Notice that every icon has a number or letter – press the 3 to launch the 3rd icon, 5 to launch the 5th icon and so on.

When searching applications, begin typing and the matching applications will show immediately:

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/555/searchwr.png

Here are the installation options for 11.04:

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/874/upgradetonatty.png

The upgrade process can be done using the LiveUSB/LiveCD. If you have several PCs up upgrade to Natty, this may be the fastest way to upgrade them. It is also useful for upgrading on PCs that have no or very limited Internet access.

For those who do support, the installation now warns folks that uppercase letters are not allowed in user names:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8175/nouppercase.png

The Hedge

:KS

Sam White
April 28th, 2011, 04:56 PM
Nice one, thanks for this

Paddy Landau
April 28th, 2011, 05:57 PM
Thank you. A few useful instructions for people (like me) who will be completely lost the first time I use it.

Hedgehog1
April 28th, 2011, 06:59 PM
It took me a couple of days to settle into Unity.

Now, when at work on my Windows XP box, I keep moving the mouse to the left edge of the screen trying to get the Unity Launcher to roll out :D


The Hedge

:KS

RJ12
April 29th, 2011, 12:34 AM
Nice! I'm sure it will come in handy for a lot of new users :)

A_M_S
April 29th, 2011, 12:51 AM
Tnx for the tips.

KeLa
April 29th, 2011, 07:52 AM
How to prevent windows to maximize when moving them around desktop?
I don't like this new unity system and want to use pure gnome style computer.

Rubi1200
April 29th, 2011, 08:53 AM
Nice one Hedge, well put together :-)

Hedgehog1
April 29th, 2011, 09:19 AM
Nice one Hedge, well put together :-)

Thanks very much! Sometimes I get lucky with a screen capture or two! :D


The Hedge

:KS

hakermania
April 29th, 2011, 02:19 PM
Thx for the tips, really useful, I hope that here I would find a good way to switch between open applications rather than use the alt-tab or the left side panel..... The first is difficult if you have more than 4-5 apps running (you must press the tab button 4 times+ if you want to find you application and there isn't any name of the application in which the alt-tab is 'running', so it is very difficult if you have too same windows open :D and then 2nd is like you're searching for your kid in a super market

Frogs Hair
April 29th, 2011, 02:34 PM
Thank you for taking the time. :)

TedinOz
April 29th, 2011, 02:34 PM
Really useful thank you. It will take some time to get my head around it all. Meantime my major problem is that I cant seem to access Unity at all. [img=http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8996/screenshotloginscreense.png] (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/screenshotloginscreense.png/)

Obviously overlooking something here. Any suggestions much appreciated.

lhaeh
April 29th, 2011, 07:41 PM
Thanks for this. Also, bump.

aG93IGRvIGkgdWJ1bnR1Pw==
April 30th, 2011, 02:40 AM
Another method to get the launcher to appear without using the mouse is to press the 'Windows' key:

It's alternatively called either the meta key or the super key. Please stop calling it the "windows" key, which it isn't.

Hedgehog1
April 30th, 2011, 03:03 AM
It's alternatively called either the meta key or the super key. Please stop calling it the "windows" key, which it isn't.

aG93IGRvIGkgdWJ1bnR1Pw,

Interesting - the Logo on this key is either an MS Windows logo, or (if you have a Mac) an Apple Logo. Look though I might, I don't see the words of meta or super on it that a new Ubuntu user would recognize. I don't argue that it's real use is, in fact, better worded as super (I don't care for calling it meta, that is just silly). I suppose that it would also be more accurate than change the wording of the 'A' to: 'Send ASCII 65 or 97'. But I just can't get myself to do that; not for new users, anyway.

Now, I would be willing to call it the Super (Windows) key, but frankly that seems very wrong.

I will have to think about this. Too bad it doesn't have an Ubuntu logo or Linux Penguin, but even then I would want to call it the 'Ubuntu' Key or 'Penguin' Key, not the super key (unless the Penguin was wearing a cape - that would make a difference!).

Yeah, gonna need to think about this.

Too bad the key has that darn Windows logo on it; makes calling it by another name so much harder. :D


The 'Pondering' Hedge

:KS

p.s. aG93IGRvIGkgdWJ1bnR1Pw, I am glad you found something to dislike about this simple introduction. Your positive feedback is most helpful. By the way, do you have trouble remembering your login name?

http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2228&pictureid=7534
The Hedge, looking for the words meta or super on the keyboard.

Blasphemist
April 30th, 2011, 03:10 AM
Really useful thank you. It will take some time to get my head around it all. Meantime my major problem is that I cant seem to access Unity at all. [img=http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8996/screenshotloginscreense.png] (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/screenshotloginscreense.png/)

Obviously overlooking something here. Any suggestions much appreciated.

In addition to Hedgehogs great posts, I'd recommend looking at this.

http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4795149014/the-power-users-guide-to-unity

You may have a video driver issue that is keeping you from using unity. What happens? Do you not get an option for it on the login screen or are you doing auto login? What video do you have?

TedinOz
April 30th, 2011, 03:23 AM
In addition to Hedgehogs great posts, I'd recommend looking at this.

http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4795149014/the-power-users-guide-to-unity

You may have a video driver issue that is keeping you from using unity. What happens? Do you not get an option for it on the login screen or are you doing auto login? What video do you have?

Thanks for the link. I can get Unity to work and have since figured out that to check 'Ubuntu' rather than 'Ubuntu Classic' it will load in Unity along with the side panel which I can make work although not sure I like it a lot yet. Having said that, at the same time I get a top panel (but that displays nothing except the last application used) and no bottom panel at all. So for the time being will use the Classic until I can find the right directions for this.
Not sure what you mean about video driver, or how to identify what video I have. Videos play without a problem.
The only option I get on my login screen is to log in with my name and password.

Blasphemist
April 30th, 2011, 03:38 AM
The only option I get on my login screen is to log in with my name and password.

See the first screen shot from the top post in this thread.

TedinOz
April 30th, 2011, 03:44 AM
See the first screen shot from the top post in this thread.

Right! I understand now. I will try the Ubuntu option and see if anything appears differently. Thanks

Dutch70
April 30th, 2011, 05:43 AM
aG93IGRvIGkgdWJ1bnR1Pw,

I will have to think about this. Too bad it doesn't have an Ubuntu logo or Linux Penguin, but even then I would want to call it the 'Ubuntu' Key or 'Penguin' Key, not the super key (unless the Penguin was wearing a cape - that would make a difference!).

Yeah, gonna need to think about this.

Too bad the key has that darn Windows logo on it; makes calling it by another name so much harder. :D
The 'Pondering' Hedge

:KS

http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2228&pictureid=7534
The Hedge, looking for the words meta or super on the keyboard.

:lolflag:......................:-k

That's hilarious Hedge!!! Let me help you find that key...

Hedgehog1
April 30th, 2011, 06:03 AM
That's hilarious Hedge!!! Let me help you find that key...

Dutch70, where were you when I needed you? :D

However - that Penguin is NOT wearing a cape! :)

The Hedge

:KS

darrengoddard
April 30th, 2011, 10:51 AM
is there a way to set 'ubuntu classic' as the default login option?

cheers

Paddy Landau
April 30th, 2011, 11:15 AM
p.s. aG93IGRvIGkgdWJ1bnR1Pw, ... do you have trouble remembering your login name?
:lol: It seems that you do, Hedge; you left off the "==" at the end of aG93IGRvIGkgdWJ1bnR1Pw=='s name.

I'd love to know what your name means, aG93IGRvIGkgdWJ1bnR1Pw==.

Hedgehog1
April 30th, 2011, 01:30 PM
:lol: It seems that you do, Hedge; you left off the "==" at the end of aG93IGRvIGkgdWJ1bnR1Pw=='s name.

I'd love to know what your name means, aG93IGRvIGkgdWJ1bnR1Pw==.

OK - you caught me 'fair and square'. I was too busy being silly to notice I had dropped the "==". :(

The Hedge

:KS

p.s. Paddy Landau - in all seriousness, should I be referring to that key in another way?

Hedgehog1
April 30th, 2011, 01:35 PM
is there a way to set 'ubuntu classic' as the default login option?

cheers

I was looking through the options on this. I know that whatever desktop style you chose last is the one it defaults to next time.

I did dig around in the 'Users and Groups', but I did not find any way to set it there. It may be there and I have missed it, though.

The Hedge

:KS

Paddy Landau
April 30th, 2011, 01:46 PM
in all seriousness, should I be referring to that key in another way?
I don't think there is any "should" to it. Just use what you believe is the most helpful. As the vast majority of users come from a Windows environment and use an ex-Windows machine, it makes sense (to me) to use, "Windows key."

I think, in general, people who can afford a Mac probably stick with Mac, as they are reliable machines. I imagine that most Windows users come to Linux because they're fed up with paying for a lack of reliability and having to upgrade their machines every three years.

If you want to be pedantic, try, "the Windows key (known in Linux as the Super key or on the Mac as the Apple key)."

Hedgehog1
April 30th, 2011, 02:23 PM
If you want to be pedantic, try, "the Windows key (known in Linux as the Super key or on the Mac as the Apple key)."

I like it. I will make the adjustment now.

Thanks very much!

The Hedge

:KS

Paddy Landau
April 30th, 2011, 03:15 PM
I like it. I will make the adjustment now.

Thanks very much!
Hey, it's a pleasure.

I downloaded 11.04 and booted from a Live USB. The sidebar is less difficult than I thought it would be. Having the settings on the power button is surely bizarre. It just doesn't belong there! But I guess it won't take long for people to get used to it.

How long do you suppose (in your opinion) would it take an average user to get from slow to as-fast-as-I-was-on-10.04?

-=hazard=-
April 30th, 2011, 03:35 PM
is there a way to set 'ubuntu classic' as the default login option?

cheers

System -> Administration -> Login Screen
Unlock the menu by entering your password and select Ubuntu Classic as the default session.

Cheers.

Dutch70
April 30th, 2011, 06:48 PM
I like it. I will make the adjustment now.

Thanks very much!

The Hedge

:KS

I was quite fond of the penguin key, or the ubuntu key. :(

Seriously though, if they don't know the correct terminology, they will be lost when they see it in help files or manuals.
Look at the key bindings in Compiz for example. Which is one of the first places noobs go.

Hedgehog1
April 30th, 2011, 06:55 PM
How long do you suppose (in your opinion) would it take an average user to get from slow to as-fast-as-I-was-on-10.04?

It took me two 30 minute sessions before my keyboard and mouse just started doing the right things in Unity without me thinking about it.

Now: I use a massive number of UIs (modern and ancient), so I do adapt faster than most. So I would say about 2 hours for the average person.

For most folks, they spend the majority of their time surfing the net, and that is the same in nearly all OSs.

The Hedge

:KS

p.s. There is one old system I use where the source code says it was written by someone called 'T-Rex'. It is really old...

EGamerHDK
May 2nd, 2011, 12:37 AM
Great little tut for new users.


btw hedgie,

Windows key ftw. hahaha

napdaddy
May 2nd, 2011, 04:42 AM
The only option I get on my login screen is to log in with my name and password.See the first screen shot from the top post in this thread.

I have this same issue. The only options I get on the login screen are to choose a user to login as, universal access options and a shutdown menu. I just upgraded a 10.x install to Natty. I don't see anything in the first post that helps.

All I can see is the desktop background image after logging in. Nothing else appears to work after I'm logged in. This, apparently, is due to issues with the Nvidia driver. Any ideas on how to get a working desktop environment again?

EDIT: Nevermind, I just realized that you have to click on the username before the other options appear.

Blasphemist
May 2nd, 2011, 05:11 AM
I have this same issue. The only options I get on the login screen are to choose a user to login as, universal access options and a shutdown menu. I just upgraded a 10.x install to Natty. I don't see anything in the first post that helps.

All I can see is the desktop background image after logging in. Nothing else appears to work after I'm logged in. This, apparently, is due to issues with the Nvidia driver. Any ideas on how to get a working desktop environment again?

So at the login screen, at the bottom center, you don't see session options that include classic and others as shown at the top of the thread? If not, Ctrl/Alt/F1 should bring you to a terminal. At the prompt run,

/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p

Please post the results of this between quote tags as it may tell why it doesn't seem to be running for you.

Xenophanes
May 2nd, 2011, 09:02 AM
Hey thanks Hedge! When I found out about the "Super Key" I got so excited when my launcher came up I don't know why but it just made me so happy. hahaha!

This is my first Linux machine and Unity is working just fine so far. I've found these links very helpful and informative.

I can't wait to build my 3D printer ( http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page ) to print out my own "Super key" with Tux on it and replace the disgusting Windows logo.

mcorr
May 2nd, 2011, 11:23 AM
So at the login screen, at the bottom center, you don't see session options that include classic and others as shown at the top of the thread? If not, Ctrl/Alt/F1 should bring you to a terminal. At the prompt run,

/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p

Please post the results of this between quote tags as it may tell why it doesn't seem to be running for you.
Blasphemist, I have the same problem as napdaddy and others. No session options at login, just universal access options and shutdown menu. This is what I get from the terminal


OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20100330 DEVELOPMENT x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.10.2

Not software rendered: yes
Not blacklisted: yes
GLX fbconfig: yes
GLX texture from pixmap: yes
GL npot or rect textures: yes
GL vertex program: yes
GL fragment program: yes
GL vertex buffer object: yes
GL framebuffer object: yes
GL version is 1.4+: yes

Unity supported: yes

Paddy Landau
May 2nd, 2011, 01:14 PM
I can't wait to build my 3D printer ( http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page )
Hey, cool! I've read about 3D printers, but a free one? Wow!

blackbird34
May 2nd, 2011, 02:29 PM
Hi. I logged into Ubuntu Classic yesterday and started configuring compiz? At one point I came across a post by Hedgehog1:
It is possible you have created a conflict of Compiz settings. Desktop Cube and Unity don't mix so good (see Natty Info: Your UI options (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741293) to see where Desktop Cube and Wobbly Windows are fine in Natty).

From the terminal, please do this to reset your Unity to a functional state (factory defaults):


unity --resetLogout and reboot...

The Hedge

:KS

and so I did : unity --reset in the Ubuntu Classic Terminal, thinking it might reconfigure unity (which doesn't work cause i tried to do too much with compiz, it disappeared). Now I have Unity AND Gnome 2 together, in Ubuntu Classic. Is this stable enough to work properly if I don't do anything to it?? I rather like it. Or will it disappear on logout? EDIT: it did disappear on logout. Oh well.

mcorr
May 2nd, 2011, 06:04 PM
I should add, I seem to auto-login, so the solution that's been suggested doesn't work for me as I don't get the option to enter my password, and therefore never get access to the menu to chose Ubuntu Classic. Anyone any ideas how to change the auto-login feature?

Blasphemist
May 2nd, 2011, 06:38 PM
I should add, I seem to auto-login, so the solution that's been suggested doesn't work for me as I don't get the option to enter my password, and therefore never get access to the menu to chose Ubuntu Classic. Anyone any ideas how to change the auto-login feature?

Yes, now it makes sense. Here is how to enable login if you'd like or, you can change the session you will get auto logged into. See the shots.

mcorr
May 2nd, 2011, 08:14 PM
Ah, I knew there would be a simple switch somewhere, but didn't know where to find it. Thanks Blasphemist! All sorted.

Paddy Landau
May 2nd, 2011, 08:39 PM
Edit: Wow! This post was featured on www.ubuntugeek.com (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-11-04-natty-ui-options-for-beginners.html)
Well, yours is a particularly useful post.

Hedgehog1
May 3rd, 2011, 02:52 AM
.. I did : unity --reset in the Ubuntu Classic Terminal, thinking it might reconfigure unity (which doesn't work cause i tried to do too much with compiz, it disappeared). Now I have Unity AND Gnome 2 together, in Ubuntu Classic. Is this stable enough to work properly if I don't do anything to it?? I rather like it. Or will it disappear on logout? EDIT: it did disappear on logout. Oh well.

Thanks for the feedback on this command:


unity --reset

I am still feeling my way around Ubuntu support in general, and Natty in particular.

Did you every get Unity working again in 'Ubuntu' mode?

The Hedge

:KS

Hedgehog1
May 3rd, 2011, 02:58 AM
Well, yours is a particularly useful post.

This post was more in the way of 'enlighted self interest'. By having a introduction thread I could direct folks too, I would save myself the typing the same 'intro to Natty' over and over in seperate posts.

I was also trying to help calm the Fears of new users of Unity. Knowing you have a fall-back to the old UI really helps...

The Hedge

:KS

p.s. I am expecting that when 11.10 comes out, I will be trying to convince Unity Users to give Gnome 3 a try... :D

nogger
May 3rd, 2011, 11:34 PM
There's also a menu on the panel which folks may not have noticed - I've only just noticed it myself. Click on the desktop and move your mouse pointer up to a blank area of the panel to see it.

Hedgehog1
May 4th, 2011, 03:05 AM
There's also a menu on the panel which folks may not have noticed - I've only just noticed it myself. Click on the desktop and move your mouse pointer up to a blank area of the panel to see it.

Yeah - that menu is very much like the 'classic' menu:

I showed it in the first post, but didn't really explain how to get to it:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1033/nt01unitymenu.png

Glad you also found it, nogger, otherwise I would have worried I was imagining things (again).

The Hedge

:KS

coljohnhannibalsmith
May 4th, 2011, 03:28 AM
Well,

This certainly was helpful... I was completely lost.

Dutch70
May 4th, 2011, 07:22 AM
What is the difference in choosing Unity-2D or Ubuntu when you log in?

I think I like the looks of Unity-2D a little better, but several things don't seem to work.

beew
May 4th, 2011, 08:13 AM
I am not seeing the point of the classic Desktop and the other options, if you don't want Unity you could have just stayed with Maverick. No one is required to upgrade to Natty and frankly it is not that stable at this point even without Unity (though a lot of bugs are probably Unity related) I have a test install of Natty and the main point is to test out Unity.

gioman22
May 4th, 2011, 08:29 AM
I'm think I'm starting to regret upgrading to 11.04 I've managed to get it back to my classic look but now I'm forced to used matacity without out any effects, when I try to use compiz I have no window titles or minimize and close buttons and half of the effects seem to have vanished :(:confused::confused::confused::confused::confuse d::(

beew
May 4th, 2011, 08:37 AM
I'm think I'm starting to regret upgrading to 11.04 I've managed to get it back to my classic look but now I'm forced to used matacity without out any effects, when I try to use compiz I have no window titles or minimize and close buttons and half of the effects seem to have vanished :(:confused::confused::confused::confused::confuse d::(

Compiz should work if Unity works. The buttons have to do with the global menu. You can remove it by uninstalling the package indicator-appmenu.

gioman22
May 5th, 2011, 08:27 AM
Compiz should work if Unity works. The buttons have to do with the global menu. You can remove it by uninstalling the package indicator-appmenu.

Problem solved in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748920

sieve
May 5th, 2011, 09:33 PM
Great info, and thanks!

benc1213
May 6th, 2011, 09:36 PM
I know its weird to say this but after using unity for a while and its hard to go back to gnome.

Hedgehog1
May 7th, 2011, 05:28 AM
I know its weird to say this but after using unity for a while and its hard to go back to gnome.

You have been assimilated for the good of the collective.

The Borg - I mean The Hedge

:KS

jamesjenner
May 7th, 2011, 05:55 AM
Yeah - that menu is very much like the 'classic' menu:

I showed it in the first post, but didn't really explain how to get to it:

<snip>

Glad you also found it, nogger, otherwise I would have worried I was imagining things (again).

Took me a while to even realise menu's were up there. I did an upgrade and for some weird reason the custom appearance set the menu text colour to almost the identical colour as the bar. Was only after looking at some of these comments that I realised the menu even existed O.o

Damn nice review btw, didn't realise you could right mouse click on the applications button and get that particular menu. There's also a review of all the short cuts that I found very useful, I do love the window repositioning/resizing shortcuts, so powerful.

Cheers,

James.

Hedgehog1
May 7th, 2011, 06:18 AM
Damn nice review btw...

Thanks! Folks keep contributing to it, so it has taken on a life all it's own...


The Hedge

:KS

Hedgehog1
May 9th, 2011, 05:54 AM
I am not seeing the point of the classic Desktop and the other options, if you don't want Unity you could have just stayed with Maverick. No one is required to upgrade to Natty and frankly it is not that stable at this point even without Unity (though a lot of bugs are probably Unity related) I have a test install of Natty and the main point is to test out Unity.

Many folks got the 'pop up' telling them to upgrade, and they did. I do share much of your point of view about it not being as stable as I would have preferred; the offer to upgrade should have been delayed by a month or two.

I would have preferred that there was no 'upgrade to natty' using the update manager, and instead folks were offered the ISO to burn and upgrade from that. This way folks would have media to do emergency repairs and normal disk/partition maintenance for their Natty install.

Getting the user-base at large to not upgrade right away is like fighting a tidal wave. Most folks want something new when offered; the temptation/urge is just too strong.


The Hedge

:KS

TedinOz
May 9th, 2011, 06:46 AM
I agree with Hedgehog. I wonder if the upgrade rush actually contributed in part to some of the instability we are all seeing.
I was no different to most and did the upgrade, albeit from the ISO disc but still had difficulty and have since reverted to Maverick and am happy with that. I will run Natty again on a separate machine to learn but I was wrong to have the expectation that it, as a new system, could immediately replace what I was happy with. The error was mine...I am still very new and inexperienced and the developers of Natty should be congratulated with what they have presented, even if it is a bit too early for some of us to grasp.

Hedgehog1
May 9th, 2011, 09:06 PM
During the first 3-4 days after Natty was released, the servers that were used to do the updates were swamped. Upgrades in some locations took 24 hours to complete.

A fair number of the folks who needed technical help fell into these categories:

* Gave up waiting and powered down, leaving their system 1/2 upgraded.

* Their network connection could not stay up without interruption long enough, and they were left with a partially upgraded system.

* Some folks got errors from the servers in the middle of upgrading that stopped the upgrade process, again leaving them in an inoperable state.

I wonder if doing the upgrades in a 'phased' manner, spread over a few weeks (or even a month) would have reduced the number of these situations?

The Hedge

:KS

p.s. We are past this issue for Natty; but we will see what 11.10 brings us in 5.5 more months.

jamesjenner
May 9th, 2011, 10:56 PM
Well I can say that I had no problems here, but then I cannot use linux on my PC for work and as such there was most prob quite a delay between the release and when I started.

I've also chosen a local mirror to get my updates from. Would be nice if the mirror allocation and load determined when a person is notified of large updates, that could be fun to implement.

:)

Ozitraveller
May 9th, 2011, 11:10 PM
What is the difference in choosing Unity-2D or Ubuntu when you log in?

I think I like the looks of Unity-2D a little better, but several things don't seem to work.

Is Unity-2D worth a try on low end netbook yet? Has anyone got the latest info on it?

Cheers

_duncan_
May 10th, 2011, 07:39 AM
During the first 3-4 days after Natty was released, the servers that were used to do the updates were swamped. Upgrades in some locations took 24 hours to complete.

A fair number of the folks who needed technical help fell into these categories:

* Gave up waiting and powered down, leaving their system 1/2 upgraded.

* Their network connection could not stay up without interruption long enough, and they were left with a partially upgraded system.

* Some folks got errors from the servers in the middle of upgrading that stopped the upgrade process, again leaving them in an inoperable state.

I wonder if doing the upgrades in a 'phased' manner, spread over a few weeks (or even a month) would have reduced the number of these situations?

The Hedge

:KS

p.s. We are past this issue for Natty; but we will see what 11.10 brings us in 5.5 more months.


I think it is possible to instruct Synaptic Package Manager to merely "Download Only" the upgrade packages without installing. Once all the packages are in, the user can instruct the system to upgrade thus avoiding all the hassles of busy servers and/or unreliable internet connection during actual system upgrade.

Downloading the upgrade packages can also be done in several sessions for those with slower connections. Synaptic is smart enough to keep track of what packages are already downloaded.

It is also good practice to stow away the upgrade packages to another medium so that if anything goes wrong with the upgrade, the user don't have to re-download. Synaptic keeps the downloaded packages in the folder /var/cache/apt/archives.

Upgrading is a risky process. Using tools like remastersys to create an iso image of the current (older) installation before upgrading will facilitate "going back" to the older version if things don't work out.

Paddy Landau
May 10th, 2011, 08:10 AM
I think it is possible to instruct Synaptic Package Manager to merely "Download Only" the upgrade packages without installing.
Correct. After you press Reload, Mark All Upgrades and Apply, you get a check box called Download package files only (see screenshot).

After you have downloaded the packages successfully, press Apply again and uncheck the box.

http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=191729&stc=1&d=1305011332

Xenophanes
May 10th, 2011, 08:48 AM
Hey, cool! I've read about 3D printers, but a free one? Wow!


oh yeah man it's some cool stuff! You can also design what you make it's pretty rad. And there's stuff to make your own 3-d scanner related to the rep-rap.

Xenophanes
May 10th, 2011, 08:51 AM
Problem solved in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748920


Thanks so much! I have not been able to find the post about that problem!

Paddy Landau
May 10th, 2011, 09:01 AM
oh yeah man it's some cool stuff! You can also design what you make it's pretty rad. And there's stuff to make your own 3-d scanner related to the rep-rap.
A 3D scanner. My word, the world has changed since I was born! If change continues to accelerate at this rate, by the time I have grandchildren, we'll be living in the Matrix.

Xenophanes
May 10th, 2011, 09:01 AM
Problem solved in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748920


Actually I must have a different problem I shall lurk more before starting a new thread.

blackbird34
May 10th, 2011, 10:18 PM
Thanks for the feedback on this command:


unity --reset I am still feeling my way around Ubuntu support in general, and Natty in particular.

Did you every get Unity working again in 'Ubuntu' mode?

The Hedge

:KS

Yes. it works fine now =D and i'm learning to partition and install multiple systems nowthx to the forums! Keep it up !!

Hedgehog1
May 11th, 2011, 12:34 AM
... by the time I have grandchildren, we'll be living in the Matrix...

Prepare yourself for a shock - we were all converted to the matrix last Wednesday while we thought we were asleep...


The 'Virutal' Hedge

:KS

Hedgehog1
May 12th, 2011, 04:34 AM
Correct. After you press Reload, Mark All Upgrades and Apply, you get a check box called Download package files only (see screenshot).

After you have downloaded the packages successfully, press Apply again and uncheck the box.

http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=191729&stc=1&d=1305011332

Paddy Landau,

I did not realize this was an option, either. Thanks for sharing this useful tidbit!


The Hedge

:KS

wildmanne39
May 15th, 2011, 06:37 AM
Thanks very much! Sometimes I get lucky with a screen capture or two! :D


The Hedge

:KS

Hi, thank you for such a nice tutorial.):P

jheis
July 19th, 2011, 03:14 AM
Back to the "super key" for a moment.

My installation is on an IBM T43 Thinkpad, so no "Windoze" key or "Mac" key.

Where is my super key - or don't I have one?

James