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Throne777
April 25th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Just been flicking through the blueprints page for 11.04 (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+specs), & was startled to see how much of the status' were on 'Started', 'Beta Available' & 'X Progress'.
The official release is in three days time, is this not leaving it to the last minute? I was expecting much more to be 'Implemented'. Or is this normal behaviour?

uRock
April 25th, 2011, 04:07 PM
Looks obvious that the devs don't update that page.

grahammechanical
April 25th, 2011, 05:51 PM
Which is better, a release on schedule or an updated web page? There is only one way to find out ...

Throne777
April 26th, 2011, 12:35 AM
Well if the information isn't accurate, what's the point in it?

Johnsie
April 26th, 2011, 12:40 AM
I'm a professional programmer for the company I work for. Many programmers never mark their work as complete/implemented because there is nearly always room for improvements or tweaks that can be made. I sometimes use the word 'deployed' because that leaves room for future improvement. Some programmers are very fussy about versioning too. That's why some apps take years to come out of beta. I think Wine took years before it even got to version 1. An application is like a plant, you grow it over time, so that's why programmers are hesitant to make things as implemented/complete. The one size fits all scheme on that page may not have the wording that some developers would like to use to describe the status of their project, and not everybody updates it.

jerenept
April 26th, 2011, 12:41 AM
Which is better, a release on schedule or an updated web page? There is only one way to find out ...

A release where all major bugs are squashed.
I don't care about the page.
I don't care about the schedule.

msrinath80
April 26th, 2011, 12:50 AM
A release where all major bugs are squashed.
I don't care about the page.
I don't care about the schedule.

Debian says hi :-)

castrojo
April 26th, 2011, 12:51 AM
You probably want this page:

http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/all.html

Mark76
April 26th, 2011, 03:08 PM
which is better, a release on schedule or an updated web page? There is only one way to find out ...

fight!

Lucradia
April 26th, 2011, 04:37 PM
You probably want this page:

http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/all.html

Still a ton to do though.

castrojo
April 26th, 2011, 05:27 PM
There's always a ton to do. If it doesn't get done it gets put in the queue for the next cycle.

Throne777
April 26th, 2011, 05:54 PM
fight!

'Mooooorrrrttaaaallllll Koooommmbaaatttt!' would have been the better response :p

Mark76
April 26th, 2011, 06:35 PM
Depends on which cultural meme you're more familiar with. :p

aguafina
April 26th, 2011, 06:37 PM
Depends on which cultural meme you're more familiar with. :p


There's only one way to find out!

Mark76
April 26th, 2011, 06:56 PM
You're supposed to say.

"Hmmm (rubs chin). I like Harry Hill's TV Burp, and I like Mortal Kombat too. But I can't decide which one I like most..."

snowpine
April 26th, 2011, 07:04 PM
11.04 is a "public alpha" for the next LTS release, 12.04.
Ubuntu is always buggy on release day, some bugs get fixed during the 18 months a release is supported, others don't get fixed until the next release.
There are other Linux distros that hold back releases until all the bugs are squashed, but guess what, most people find them boring and prefer to use Ubuntu. :)

TeoBigusGeekus
April 26th, 2011, 07:10 PM
11.04 is a "public alpha" for the next lts release, 12.04.
Ubuntu is always buggy on release day, some bugs get fixed during the 18 months a release is supported, others don't get fixed until the next release.
There are other linux distros that hold back releases until all the bugs are squashed, but guess what, most people find them boring and prefer to use ubuntu. :)

+1

Lucradia
April 27th, 2011, 02:34 PM
There are other Linux distros that hold back releases until all the bugs are squashed, but guess what, most people find them boring and prefer to use Ubuntu. :)

Debian was better though :<

Now they have a silly schedule. =/

Johnsie
April 27th, 2011, 02:41 PM
Public alpha???? Where did you get that idea from?

I was under the impression it will become 'stable' tomorrow

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

Lucradia
April 27th, 2011, 02:52 PM
Public alpha???? Where did you get that idea from?

I was under the impression it will become 'stable' tomorrow

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

They meant that the releases between LTS are "Public Alpha" (Note: QUOTES) for the LTS Releases.

TeoBigusGeekus
April 27th, 2011, 02:52 PM
Public alpha???? Where did you get that idea from?

I was under the impression it will become 'stable' tomorrow

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

It's called sarcasm...

snowpine
April 27th, 2011, 03:13 PM
No sarcasm intended at all. Look at the timeline:

10.04 is the last LTS release with classic Gnome.
12.04 will be the first LTS with Unity.

Fill in the gaps:
10.10 Unity released to a limited audience (netbook edition)
11.04 Unity becomes the default
11.10 Unity final testing and bug squashing in preparation for the stable 12.04 release

It is a smart timeline and a good business plan, in my non-sarcastic opinion.

TeoBigusGeekus
April 27th, 2011, 03:17 PM
No sarcasm intended at all. Look at the timeline:

10.04 is the last LTS release with classic Gnome.
12.04 will be the first LTS with Unity.

Fill in the gaps:
10.10 Unity released to a limited audience (netbook edition)
11.04 Unity becomes the default
11.10 Unity final testing and bug squashing in preparation for the stable 12.04 release

It is a smart timeline and a good business plan, in my non-sarcastic opinion.

Sadly you're right...

3rdalbum
April 27th, 2011, 03:51 PM
On the plus side, I saw a blueprint/feature request on Launchpad for drag 'n' drop of files to the Unity launcher. There were two parts - the first was due to be completed in Natty and the second part (regarding doing an "expose" of windows so you can drop the file on an application's window) was due to be implemented in Oneric.

Natty now has both parts of the feature. Good work, peoples.

Johnsie
April 27th, 2011, 03:59 PM
The releases between LTS releases are not alphas. They are stable releases with a shorter support lifetime. Natty moved out of alpha quite some time ago.

TeoBigusGeekus
April 27th, 2011, 04:04 PM
The releases between LTS releases are not alphas. They are stable releases with a shorter support lifetime. Natty moved out of alpha quite some time ago.

Officially, they aren't alphas. Practically, though...

snowpine
April 27th, 2011, 04:45 PM
Is Unity a stable, polished desktop environment at this date? I haven't tried it (won't even run on my hardware), so I am genuinely curious.

Lucradia
April 27th, 2011, 04:49 PM
Is Unity a stable, polished desktop environment at this date? I haven't tried it (won't even run on my hardware), so I am genuinely curious.

Try unity-2d if you can't run unity.

https://launchpad.net/unity-2d

snowpine
April 27th, 2011, 04:54 PM
Try unity-2d if you can't run unity.

https://launchpad.net/unity-2d

Thanks for the link! If I ever get tired of Openbox, I just might give it a try. :)

TeoBigusGeekus
April 27th, 2011, 05:05 PM
Unity 2d doesn't work - crashes every 30 seconds on my system.
Unity 3d needs nvidia restricted drivers to work properly. Nvidia restricted drivers are incompatible with the latest xorg server. The crashes occur every 30 minutes or something.
Even if I liked Unity, I wouldn't be able to use it.