View Full Version : Gnome 3 Relase Today!
galacticaboy
April 6th, 2011, 05:48 AM
Is anyone else excited about Gnome 3 release today? I am but I am still skeptical about it!! Why are you excited? What features are you excited about?
David
MarcusW
April 6th, 2011, 06:40 AM
I booted up Fedora 15 alpha live yesterday, and Gnome3 looks really great IMO. :) Still feels like it's missing a few things, but using it for 1-2h isn't really enough to get a good idea. Overalll I'm psyched! :D
pmlxuser
April 6th, 2011, 07:03 AM
i have gnome 3 through the fedora 15 alpha a try and say am impressed with the work done. am a fan of clean desktops and they nailed it this time. the msging thing is even superb. right now am really in a fix love ubuntu but not big fan of unity, don't really like rpm based distros but like the gnome3 shell. we will see as time moves.. but am very exited with the release
Shmantiv_Radio
April 6th, 2011, 07:05 AM
Do they still have the no minimize/maximize button thing?
pmlxuser
April 6th, 2011, 07:08 AM
on fedora 15 alpha both buttons are available.
NightwishFan
April 6th, 2011, 07:11 AM
I managed to compile all 41 modules.... However the shell will not launch on Debian Stable due to some mutter file not found. :o boo. I am not going to go through all the apt pinning from experimental to get libmozjs and xulrunner-dev again...
benerivo
April 6th, 2011, 07:43 AM
It certainly looks nice and clean. Users will definitely want to install gnome-tweak-tool to change some prefs that are locked away. dconf-editor is also useful for doing the same thing. The only option that i can't get working is showing icons on the desktop (the old fashined way). When i enable this, it keeps on crashing and and logs me out.
m4tic
April 6th, 2011, 08:41 AM
I like the videos of it on gnome3.org
m4tic
April 6th, 2011, 08:43 AM
Wait, they have a sidebar too? How is GNOME and Unity different?
galacticaboy
April 6th, 2011, 08:57 AM
Well I am running Elementary OS Jupiter which uses Gnome 2, will I be able to install Gnome 3 on it?
rudihawk
April 6th, 2011, 09:26 AM
I'm pretty keen to give it a try :)
Xantheil
April 6th, 2011, 10:20 AM
I am pretty excited too. Thing is, it looks like they've made the desktop just for me. I didn't like having two panels. I like to keep just the top one. But that minimising to it, which I don't want to. So, I had to keep docky just so that I can minimise to it. I guess that makes me the only person thrilled that they got rid of max and min buttons. And the messaging thing looks awesome!
Its almost exactly what I want in a Shell!
It turns this thread is about Gnome-Shell though...
lamb123
April 6th, 2011, 10:27 AM
how soon can we install it in ubuntu? if at all
if not, whats will be the 1st distro to ship with gnomeshell
frodon
April 6th, 2011, 10:34 AM
Yep, still thinks it is a step backward in term of usability and efficiency for desktop computers, same opinion on unity.
rudihawk
April 6th, 2011, 11:36 AM
I'm not going to comment on efficiency and what not until I've given it a try :)
galacticaboy
April 6th, 2011, 12:24 PM
By the way, 8 hours left!
kio_http
April 6th, 2011, 12:47 PM
I will be sure to take it for a spin. I find the GNOME 3 concept better than unity but I prefer GNOME 2x to it.
For KDE 4.0, my opinion was really feature lacking but with great potential and under the hood technology and now in KDE 4.6.1, its beginning to near perfection.
For Gnome 3.0, I don't really know much about how it is under the hood, but maybe sometime with refinements it might be something good.
For Unity, well I just don't see the point of it. I find it a Windows 7 superbar and OS X dock parody (both of which have more usability). The whole concept seems a bit flawed to me. The flipped icons at the lower end are hardly recognizable and navigating with unity like you would with a menu is simply impossible. It needs major re-thinking.
puntigamer
April 6th, 2011, 12:49 PM
I use a self-built Gnome 3 for a month, and I love it! I'm reall looking forward to try the official release!
The only thing I miss, is some dock, so I've set a Docky on the left side.
The menu and the desktop handling is genial!!
LowSky
April 6th, 2011, 12:54 PM
Yep, still thinks it is a step backward in term of usability and efficiency for desktop computers, same opinion on unity.
Wait a Ubuntu staffer doesn't like Unity...GASP!
I will be sure to take it for a spin. I find the GNOME 3 concept better than unity but I prefer GNOME 2x to it. .....
For Unity, well I just don't see the point of it. I find it a Windows 7 superbar and OS X dock parody (both of which have more usability). The whole concept seems a bit flawed to me. The flipped icons at the lower end are hardly recognizable and navigating with unity like you would with a menu is simply impossible. It needs major re-thinking.
I completely agree with this statement
u-noob-tu
April 6th, 2011, 01:02 PM
I am freaking stoked! :guitar: im the kind of guy who likes to use non standard stuff (interfaces, apps, etc.), and GNOME 3 looks completely different than anything ive ever seen. i may be getting a bit too hopeful, but i think GNOME 3 may just change the way we interact with non touchscreen computers. it just looks so intuitive.
galacticaboy
April 6th, 2011, 01:10 PM
I will be sure to take it for a spin. I find the GNOME 3 concept better than unity but I prefer GNOME 2x to it.
For KDE 4.0, my opinion was really feature lacking but with great potential and under the hood technology and now in KDE 4.6.1, its beginning to near perfection.
For Gnome 3.0, I don't really know much about how it is under the hood, but maybe sometime with refinements it might be something good.
For Unity, well I just don't see the point of it. I find it a Windows 7 superbar and OS X dock parody (both of which have more usability). The whole concept seems a bit flawed to me. The flipped icons at the lower end are hardly recognizable and navigating with unity like you would with a menu is simply impossible. It needs major re-thinking.
KDE is awesome! I love the Plasma Desktop, I do not want to use it though because it does not go well with my older computer. That is why I prefer Gnome 2, but I am excited about Gnome 3.
frodon
April 6th, 2011, 01:13 PM
Wait a Ubuntu staffer doesn't like Unity...GASP!I'm just saying this as desktop user, when things require one more key press or mouse clic it is a step backward for me in term of efficiency. Unity and gnome-shell both fail on this point for me so i will just stick to gnome 2, not a big deal.
There are some good ideas but it is definitely not intended for desktop users or workstations.
trivialpackets
April 6th, 2011, 02:04 PM
I haven't tried Unity yet so I have no real base for comparison, but I just watched the Gnome3 videos and it looks pretty good.
mamamia88
April 6th, 2011, 03:33 PM
So how hard will this be to install on natty beta? In the process of downloading the iso and am going to install it today. I can't wait until the final build I'm just too excited. I have all my stuff backed up on an external harddrive so I really have nothing to lose but my time.
Lucradia
April 6th, 2011, 03:56 PM
I don't like the removal of the Minimize and maximize buttons :<
slackthumbz
April 6th, 2011, 04:06 PM
I don't like the removal of the Minimize and maximize buttons :<
This and the attitude of the gnome devs that they always know best is infuriating.
tjeremiah
April 6th, 2011, 04:35 PM
I tired it yesterday and I didnt like the default. I dont like how I have to hover the mouse over to the top left to show my dock and to view workspaces, the text is too small by default, I didnt see a minimize button, and I dont like the huge buttons.
puntigamer
April 6th, 2011, 05:18 PM
I've tried Unity (why the name Unity???), and I don't think that I will like it at all... That sidebar is weak, the dash hides the desktop, and you haven't got a direct acces to the system settings.
The Gnome 3 Activities menu is far mor better :)
tjeremiah
April 6th, 2011, 05:57 PM
In Unity, SystemSettings is right on the bar above when you click the power button. Also, the dash doesnt hide the desktop. Well, at least on my screen it doesnt.
Copper Bezel
April 6th, 2011, 06:28 PM
It has an autodetect feature that's supposed to hide the desktop if the resolution of the monitor is below a certain size (netbook range.) I've heard of it misfiring on full desktops. It literally, really is your screen that makes the difference. = )
Vadi
April 6th, 2011, 06:33 PM
Been trying the Fedora-based Gnome 3 for the last day - in 90% of the things G-S does, Unity does it better - and it's due out in a month, not now. Props to the Gnome 3 team though; the animations are fantastic!
false truths
April 6th, 2011, 07:07 PM
I've been going back and forth between Gnome 3 and Gnome 2 for a while now. Maybe it's because I'm already used to throwing my mouse into a corner to switch windows (I have DockBarX but I tend not to use it), and the fact that I REALLY like the way Shell handles workspaces, but I'm really impressed with Gnome Shell.
The automatic workspaces are set up only to affect the screen that Gnome Shell appears on, which helps me a lot because one of the main purposes of my computer is to do presentations, so it is very helpful to keep my presentation window static on one screen and have access to Gnome Shell and the automatic workspaces on the other screen.
Also, as I said, I'm already using window corners for window switching anyway, so the hot corner is already comfortable. I can understand it being awkward for those who use a dock by default, but in the end I find binding a window corner to Compiz Scale or using Gnome Shell's hot corner to be more efficient.
coolbrook
April 6th, 2011, 08:03 PM
Wait, they have a sidebar too? How is GNOME and Unity different?
It's my understanding that they have differing hardware requirements.
harryscode
April 6th, 2011, 08:21 PM
Anybody knows if users with lucid lynx can get Gnome3?.. i've read a lot of stuff about gnome and natty ... but nothing with 10.4. I hope the lts users can enjoy the party too!!.
kio_http
April 6th, 2011, 08:23 PM
Unity is based on Gnome 2x with GTK 2, in future will Unity adopt the newer codebase of GNOME 3?
vehemoth
April 6th, 2011, 08:26 PM
The new supposed customisability of gnome 3 looks to make it easier for tinkerers like me :) I did find it quite usefull in the sense that you can start up your computer, know what you're gonna spend your time doing and get everything needed at the same time.
CraigPaleo
April 6th, 2011, 08:36 PM
Well I am running Elementary OS Jupiter which uses Gnome 2, will I be able to install Gnome 3 on it?
Elementary OS is based on Ubuntu 10.10. So, just look for a way to install it on Maverick and you're good to go.
Merk42
April 6th, 2011, 09:51 PM
Unity is based on Gnome 2x with GTK 2, in future will Unity adopt the newer codebase of GNOME 3?
yes (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/ubuntu-11-10-will-not-ship-with-classic-gnome-desktop/#comment-177739952)
puntigamer
April 6th, 2011, 10:36 PM
what is released?
should I rebuild my Gnome 3 from GIT? I see nothing on their page! :(
Lucradia
April 6th, 2011, 11:08 PM
what is released?
should I rebuild my Gnome 3 from GIT? I see nothing on their page! :(
Exactly; the gnome3.org website still says it's under active development, and has yet to actually provide a date: http://gnome3.org/tryit.html
Just the month of april it says.
puntigamer
April 6th, 2011, 11:10 PM
I've compiled it again... It's ok... I hope that it will be avaible in Ubuntu 11.04!
Lucradia
April 6th, 2011, 11:14 PM
I've compiled it again... It's ok... I hope that it will be avaible in Ubuntu 11.04!
It won't. Since there's been a feature freeze already, you'll have to wait until 11.10. The version in 11.04 will be 2.32.1; 10.10 has 2.32.
NightwishFan
April 6th, 2011, 11:15 PM
It is certainly out. I read the release notes and everything:
http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.0/
xc3RnbFO8P
April 6th, 2011, 11:18 PM
Mark Shuttleworth 2 days ago in reply to Christian Jäger
Christian, I'm very confident that GNOME 3 will run just fine in 11.10. The degree of breakage was too high for us to include much of GNOME 3 in 11.04; we ship to millions of users, and trying to include all of GNOME 3 would have made the endeavour too risky. Nevertheless, in 11.10, we will have gtk3 as the preferred version of gtk, and take GNOME 3 apps by default.
I appreciate that your intent was not to confuse or mislead people, but your statement that "Ubuntu will continue to be based on GTK 2, heavily patched" is simply not true.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/ubuntu-11-10-will-not-ship-with-classic-gnome-desktop/#comment-177739952
GNOME 3 released; to be available for Ubuntu 11.04 via PPA
CraigPaleo
April 6th, 2011, 11:23 PM
Exactly; the gnome3.org website still says it's under active development, and has yet to actually provide a date: http://gnome3.org/tryit.html
Just the month of april it says.
There used to be a timer counting down to 0. Now it says, "The next generation GNOME desktop has arrived" on the main page.
galacticaboy
April 6th, 2011, 11:50 PM
There used to be a timer counting down to 0. Now it says, "The next generation GNOME desktop has arrived" on the main page.
I just tried the release today, it is not bad, but bad for my hardware, it runs so slow! lol But pretty good actually!
CarpKing
April 7th, 2011, 12:25 AM
why the name Unity???
They knew it would cause a split in the community, so they tried to make up for it with the name. Either that or they did it ironically. :hipster:
GrouchyGaijin
April 7th, 2011, 10:52 AM
Hi Guys,
I have some questions I hope someone can answer for me.
I hear the terms Gnome and Gnome-shell used. Do they refer to the same thing?
I saw in Synaptic something called Gnome3 which was described as a session. Is this the same kind of thing as if I booted into KDE instead of Gnome, that is another desktop option?
I thought Gnome 3 was released yesterday. I wouldn't think it would make it to the repos so quickly. Is this a different piece of software than the Gnome 3 everyone is talking about? (Good grief, that reads badly doesn't it? I hope you understand my question.)
Johnsie
April 7th, 2011, 11:00 AM
Going to give it a try, I doubt it will beat Gnome2 though. All these new interfaces are too screen invasive. I want a little bar at the bottom that I only need to look at when i want to open an app. I dont want all this bling slowing me down.
NightwishFan
April 7th, 2011, 11:06 AM
Hi Guys,
I have some questions I hope someone can answer for me.
Sure, no problems.
I hear the terms Gnome and Gnome-shell used. Do they refer to the same thing?
Yes and no. The Gnome project (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/GNOME) as a whole is a desktop environment (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Desktop_environment). It is a collection of software that makes up a graphical user interface. It is quite an long running project actually. The Gnome Shell (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/GNOME_Shell) is part of the Gnome environment. It is the interface that allows you to launch and organize programs. It is going to be the new default environment for Gnome's 3rd major release.
I saw in Synaptic something called Gnome3 which was described as a session. Is this the same kind of thing as if I booted into KDE instead of Gnome, that is another desktop option?
That is exactly the case. Currently the Gnome 3 session is just a wrapper to start Gnome Shell from the log-in screen. It does not include the full Gnome 3 environment. It is also older version of the shell and is not feature complete. (Though still quite usable)
I thought Gnome 3 was released yesterday. I wouldn't think it would make it to the repos so quickly. Is this a different piece of software than the Gnome 3 everyone is talking about? (Good grief, that reads badly doesn't it? I hope you understand my question.)
Gnome 3 was just released, though it is currently optional and experimental even in the beta version of Ubuntu 11.04. It will be available from an external repository called a PPA when Ubuntu 11.04 is ready for release. The next version of Ubuntu after that (11.10) will have Gnome 3 packages included.
Hope that answered your questions.
paul_h_ward
April 7th, 2011, 11:09 AM
Yes I'm going to try it as well - It has to be better than the latest 11.4 version of Ubuntu - very disappointed with that. :(
As far as I can see (and I know its only beta) Unity DOES HAVE POTENTIAL but it lacks any form of customisation.
Gnome 3 however does look quite good
GrouchyGaijin
April 7th, 2011, 11:12 AM
Hope that answered your questions.
Thank you. You answers were very clear. I appreciate it :)
NightwishFan
April 7th, 2011, 11:15 AM
Unity DOES HAVE POTENTIAL but it lacks any form of customisation.
Gnome 3 however does look quite good
I am fairly unimpressed with the lack of customisation in both Gnome Shell and Unity. Basically: both interfaces are quite static. Not to mention the min and max buttons are gone in Gnome 3 and I am not sure if you can even change the colour of the shell at the moment without knowing JavaScript.
Granted I have no personal problems with this, however I know many people like to make their own personal experience.
Thank you. You answers were very clear. I appreciate it :)
No problems. :)
ErikNJ
April 7th, 2011, 03:06 PM
Here is some useful info as to how to customize Gnome Shell:
http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2011/03/customizing-the-gnome-3-shell.html
Lucradia
April 7th, 2011, 03:12 PM
Here is some useful info as to how to customize Gnome Shell:
http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2011/03/customizing-the-gnome-3-shell.html
You need to use terminal :| Still isn't an easy-to-use GUI like GNOME 2 stuff was. People are expecting an easy-to-use GUI, immediately; since GNOME 2 has had one for like, almost forever.
Starlight
April 7th, 2011, 05:51 PM
I'm using the Fedora Live CD with Gnome 3 now and it's absolutely amazing! :D
It's a little buggy (for example, the shell froze when I was setting up a chat account on Empathy and wanted to make a keyring with empty password, I could only ctrl-alt-backspace out of it) but I love the design, and the smoothness of everything. I hope they add some animations to the GTK style, since it's the only non-animated part of Gnome 3. I'm even thinking about switching to it from KDE (which is also awesome, but I like to try different stuff) but I'll wait a while until more apps support GTK 3.
And that chat thingy at the bottom of the screen is really nice ^_^
edit: the Epiphany web browser on the Live CD crashes when opening the KDE website. :P And not just once, it seems to crash every time o_O
And the notification system is a work of art.
MarcusW
April 8th, 2011, 07:19 AM
Some things are just weird... Nautilus looks horrible, and misses the "up" button. :(
ikt
April 8th, 2011, 07:49 AM
You need to use terminal :| Still isn't an easy-to-use GUI
Sometimes the terminal is easier than the GUI, sometimes.
finite9
April 8th, 2011, 09:04 AM
probably posted this in the wrong thread...seems more appropriate here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10651802&postcount=14
wolfen69
April 9th, 2011, 05:58 PM
I love gnome 3! I'm running the ppa in 11.04 and it is awesome. Once it is configured, It's amazing how fast I can get things done. Surprisingly stable for a first release also. Very nicely done. I just would like to know how to change themes.
NightwishFan
April 9th, 2011, 06:02 PM
I just would like to know how to change themes.
It is possible to theme the shell itself but as far as I know, not with a GUI at the moment. You might have to wait a bit for the community to work on themes for it.
Yes
April 9th, 2011, 09:30 PM
Finally got it working this morning (on Arch, not Ubuntu). Here's my 2c -
I hate how little you can customize. I know they aren't quite done and more customization options will be available, but even still they locked a lot of stuff down. The top panel will apparently never be customizable, for one. I read they did this so it would have a more unified look, like Windows or Mac. Which I can understand if you're trying to get more users, but I feel like it doesn't suit the current Linux userbase. I, for one, like actually how much control I have over my system - it's one of the main reasons I like Linux so much.
ikt
April 16th, 2011, 05:05 PM
I, for one, like actually how much control I have over my system - it's one of the main reasons I like Linux so much.
I'm beginning to think we're actually the wrong users of Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is aiming to be a drop in replacement for OS X or Windows, we as power users want more than what we're given, we want options, we want to mess around, windows and os x hinder that, linux gives us that freedom, ubuntu does not.
NightwishFan
April 16th, 2011, 05:42 PM
It is still Debian based and you can customise it how you want whatever the defaults are.
ikt
April 17th, 2011, 01:59 PM
It is still Debian based and you can customise it how you want whatever the defaults are.
Sure, but (to exaggerate greatly) I was thinking more along the lines of being able to change the wallpaper, not the ability to completely uninstall unity and reinstall with a DE that lets me change the wallpaper, type of customisation...
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